[Resurrected]

[ack1961]

OK.  I had a listen to "new and improved...".  Nope.  Still brutal, sappy, schmutz...
However, the schmutz is clearer now.

[lowend1]

Ahh '76 and I remember there first gigs here supporting that LP...

While not my favorite Kiss album, Destroyer has a special place in my heart because of that tour. Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City, NJ. Kiss, J. Geils Band, Point Blank and Bob Seger. The only time they ever played "Flaming Youth" live.

BTW, "Resurrected" is everything Uwe says, but if you're not a Kiss fan, it won't blow your skirt up. Ezrin mentions in the liner notes that they fixed one line in a song lyric but won't elaborate. Anybody?

[Hörnisse]

So we're using Texas and North Carolina as the norm of decent taste?  Might as well use Nazi Germany...and what exactly is worse than Spic? Nigger? Kike? Democrat? Kraut Asshole?

How about beaner or wetback?  I take it you are not hispanic?  

[uwe]

  I should have used quotation marks, I meant the term Spic as irony. Just as I use the terms Jap, Wop, Kraut, Polack, Yank, Chink or whatever in irony. Most of you know my postings for years now, love for WW II trivia aside I am the worst of all things: A left leaning liberal who believes in higher taxes for those who can afford it, government healthcare, free schools and universities, a strong compassionate state  for the weak, Keynes incentives for the economy and even affirmative action for minorities such as "binders full of wimmin". I see capitalism aa a big bad wolf, highly effective in survival, but it needs to be tamed down to being a shepherd dog good for us all. Karl Rove has nightmares about people like me and probably wonders whether the atomic bomb should have been used on Germany in 45 after all to cut the genetic trail that led to me short.

To quote Tom Petty in a letter to NME when they attacked him for using the word "nigger" on his debut album: I ain't no racist, I don't even drive.

And to top it all off: I loved Beth the first time I heard it and still do. You can be mildly socialist and still be a whimp, no issue! Whenever that big fat orchestra part comes in I get goosebumps - of the good kind.

[uwe]

OK.  I had a listen to "new and improved...".  Nope.  Still brutal, sappy, schmutz...
However, the schmutz is clearer now.

Well, at least you tried! That in itself is commendable. I herewith hold you harmless from the ill economic effects of your hasty purchase. Send me your paypal account email address and the amount and I'll reduce the US deficit somewhat.

Gene Simmons will love me for this!

[Hörnisse]

And to top it all off: I loved Beth the first time I heard it and still do. You can be mildly socialist and still be a whimp, no issue! Whenever that big fat orchestra part comes in I get goosebumps - of the good kind.

I wasn't offended at all Uwe.  I've known you for years.  And I too still get goosebumps when hearing Beth.  I remember one of my first slow dances at age 15 to that song.  Simmons tone on DRC still gets me.  Wonder what bass he was using on that track?

[uwe]

Could be a Ripper or Grabber, but Gene sounds kind of rough on all basses. Where the hell is George Carlston when you need him? He's the resident Kiss Army grunt here and should be done with election woundlicking by now and contribute something enlightening here.

[Hörnisse]

I just bought the CD on Ebay.  I still like listening to music through vintage Bose 601's.   

[TBird1958]

Could be a Ripper or Grabber, but Gene sounds kind of rough on all basses. Where the hell is George Carlston when you need him? He's the resident Kiss Army grunt here and should be done with election woundlicking by now and contribute something enlightening here.

As always Herr Moderator - You give me smile 

I'm sure our good George will be along soon, here in Washington State we've legalized pot and Gay marriage......... We're very European here   

[lowend1]

Just as a point of conversation - rumor has had it for years that on Rock And Roll Over he used a Rick. It doesn't sound Gibsonian to me, but maybe that's just the power of suggestion.

[4stringer77]

I don't have anything to add about Kiss or their bassist Chaim Weitz, I just wanted to say it's good to know Uwe isn't a raging racist.

[Lightyear]

I don't have anything to add about Kiss or their bassist Chaim Weitz, I just wanted to say it's good to know Uwe isn't a raging racist.

Nope, just a socialist barrister - nothing wrong with that :

I hear tell he has a Che' poster and everything 

[ack1961]

LBO is great.

[OldManC]

KISS nerds can read more here:

http://www.kissfaq.com/forum11/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=74766

I like some of the new version but the editing screw up at the beginning of Flaming Youth ruins it for me. I also dislike the extra vocal stuff and the screeching sound that comes up in Detroit Rock City. Some of that was already there by the time they did Double Platinum (and was obviously in the 16 track masters that Ezrin used here), but they weren't on the original Destroyer mix, so DRC isn't an improvement in my book. Nice for the collection, but falls short as a replacement for the original.

[uwe]

Oh man, that was somber. Still woundlicking then. Talk about adding insult to injury: first the cock up with Flaming Youth and then the Election outcome. ; - )

Much as I liked it from the start, I do not see the original as a temple museum in which nothing may be moved (similar discussions were held in DP circles with the 1997 Roger Glover remixes of Machine Head which I really liked). All the stuff that is "new" on the Resurrected version was recorded at the time and either buried in the mix or initially not used. Only some of the noises had to be recreated because they lost those.

For me the standout trait of Resurrected is the vibrant immediacy and overall crispness coupled with the fact that Simmons and Criss can be heard more prominently, the old mix was too light on de riddem seckshün and both deserve to be heard because Simmons is a better bassist than most people give him credit for and Criss has great swing and feel though he probably knows less chops than Ringo.