There is going to be a early style EB0 (called the EB 11?) in Pellham blue and chrome, I ordered one it is beautiful ! A new V bass, Explorer with 80's graphics, and a short scale Thunderbird (dumb idea imho but who knows it might sell). Also a New LP with a gold top. Bitch'n ! I saw Pics at the HOG today (House of Guitars)
That is gonna be one expensive year 2011, ouch!
Explorer with '80s Graphics!?
I need it! ;)
Wow. Psyched!
I actually like the idea of a short scale Thunderbird.
I've been contemplating on building one myself.
Is the EB11 a Les Paul double cut shaped body? That would be very cool.
Quote from: godofthunder on January 27, 2011, 10:24:54 AM
There is going to be a early style EB0 (called the EB 11?) in Pellham blue and chrome,and a short scale Thunderbird
Good thing I don't like Pelham Blue ....... ;D I'd like to have a look at that TB shortie ....... It'll probably look totally out of whack but I'd sure like to have a look at that TB shortie. Did I mention I'd sure like to have a look at that TB shortie ? :o
Looks like this ! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/Pellhamebo.jpg)
Crap ! I decided I like Pelham Blue ........ What's that baby priced for ?
Not sure, list is around 2k I think.
Quote from: godofthunder on January 27, 2011, 11:05:03 AM
Looks like this ! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/Pellhamebo.jpg)
Show us more, por favor senyore
That LP Jr shaped EB0 is very sexy.
Wonder of Gibson has a new board.
Finally some new stuff that makes sense.
Fairly close repro, pick guard is a little off (so's mine) and headstock is slightly off with no mop. Knobs are wrong. They should have changed the original banjos, which are a PITA and left off the handrest which was never on the originals...unless it's covering a minibucker ;)
I'm pretty amazed they chose this bass to RI. I don't know if it makes mine more valuable or less.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/1960%20EBO/My60EBO.jpg)
I can not find any other pics :( The Explorer is in the white and black splinter graphic.
Will these actually see production, or will they go the way of Uwe's long-overdue Continental V?
The EB-11 should sell at that list price.
I am told they will be here by June or August. All I know is I ain't paying 2k. ;D
Quote from: godofthunder on January 27, 2011, 11:05:03 AM
Looks like this ! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/Pellhamebo.jpg)
That's nice!
I bet:
They won't be using a bakelite covered single coil pickup
They won't be using banjo tuners
They won't be using the non-intonable two point bridge
They won't be remaking the handrest.
But of course Gibson will find a way to f•ck up this awesome plan. ;)
Quote from: Basvarken on January 27, 2011, 01:41:52 PM
I bet:
They won't be using a bakelite covered single coil pickup
They won't be using banjo tuners
They won't be using the non-intonable two point bridge
They won't be remaking the handrest.
But of course Gibson will find a way to f•ck up this awesome plan. ;)
Geeze Rob I WAS excited.
Quote from: Basvarken on January 27, 2011, 01:41:52 PM
I bet:
They won't be using a bakelite covered single coil pickup
They won't be using banjo tuners
They won't be using the non-intonable two point bridge
They won't be remaking the handrest.
But of course Gibson will find a way to f•ck up this awesome plan. ;)
The original is a mudbucker not a single coil, the cover is plastic not bakelite. There was NO HANDREST on the original. And mine intonates very well, as well as my '55 Precision did. Neck is 1 3/4" wide at the nut and substantial. And the "chrome" (all 1 piece of it) is NICKEL ;D
How many CPUs will these new basses have? :P
Seriously though, its nice to see them doing anything new in the bass world.
Quote from: dadagoboi on January 27, 2011, 01:53:03 PM
The original is a mudbucker not a single coil, the cover is plastic not bakelite. There was NO HANDREST on the original. And mine intonates very well, as well as my '55 Precision did. Neck is 1 3/4" wide at the nut and substantial. And the "chrome" (all 1 piece of it) is NICKEL ;D
Yes Carlo you are correct it is nickel, I was just excited. I will go back tomorrow and get more details.
No biggie, Scott. I don't expect nickel on anything except CS these days. Most people don't care. It's gonna be strange seeing these basses around, mine is the only one I've ever seen in person.
Quote from: godofthunder on January 27, 2011, 01:07:17 PM
I can not find any other pics :( The Explorer is in the white and black splinter graphic.
Drool!
Pic if you can Bro! 8)
Is is April 1?
Nashville is a part of Germany and always will be!
Wow - an act of bravery to bring out that many short scales in a long scale world. Most likely the Flying V will then be short scale too. With a Thunderbird, a short scale could actually see the neck joint move back a bit with the neck sticking out more and giving hitherto unknown high register access without lower regions becoming to uncomfortable to reach. Still a minority bass though.
EB 11 for a 2011 bass - makes sense in way, there was never any deeper meaning to that numerical model naming anyway. That they will use banjo tuners boggles the mind - these can then not be the banjo tuners of old which were a pain to tune and whose gears would not withstand the pull of the bass strings for long.
I would rather have clover leaf than banjo but I will take what I can get.
Quote from: chromium on January 27, 2011, 01:55:55 PM
How many CPUs will these new basses have? :P
Maybe Henry can have a press conference and get Dick Butkus to do a demo like he did with the Fireturd X.
Damn, I was gonna do a short scale TB! Oh well, I'll let Gibson test the market for me. I do think I might need one of those EB basses! Looks like a trip to the HOG is in order. I hate being the last to know these things! :P
;D
Quote from: godofthunder on January 27, 2011, 01:34:18 PM
I am told they will be here by June or August. All I know is I ain't paying 2k. ;D
Looks like a decent idea for around $400. If it was an Epi, it would sell for less than that.
Scott - did you say a gold-top LP Bass too? If so, do you know what pup's Gibson is using for this?
Somehow I never envisioned a TB as a short scale. It always seemed to command the long scale and somehow the fact that you had to reach a little extra one had to strike a pose so to speak. I generally sit when I play now and everything is fine except I have to stretch a little. However I'll be interested to see if they adjust the headstock size. I thought Mike Lull made 'correct' changes to his Thunderbird headstock(maybe also as that was part of his signature).
It would also be nice if Gibson came up with some new pick ups as well. The TB+ are fine but something a bit different for these. I would like to see a new update on the LP Sig as well with a slimmer neck and a pickup that would be something that the Epi JC Sig aspired to but somehow never achieved. This would be Gibson's big chance to come up with the ultimate hollow bodied bass.
Quote from: PWV on January 27, 2011, 11:15:04 PM
Scott - did you say a gold-top LP Bass too? If so, do you know what pup's Gibson is using for this?
Yep gold top LP Don't know the pickups, I'll try and get more info. They showed me the pics and specs on the 'puter a lot to absorb in a few min. I'll see if I can get them to print it.
Quote from: copacetic on January 28, 2011, 12:15:25 AM
Somehow I never envisioned a TB as a short scale. It would also be nice if Gibson came up with some new pick ups as well. The TB+ are fine but something a bit different for these.
If they come up with a well proportioned TB shorty with chrome Elephant Ears and PUP-covers I'll take a hammer to my piggy bank for sure ..... 8)
I'm still rubbing my eyes that in 2011 they are bringing out a bass with the bar bridge which was already less than state of the art 58 years ago! :mrgreen:
All you vintage accuracy buffs here should be ecstatic. To me it is as if Volvo brought out a new V 70 lauding its "vintage rigid axle". I think independent wheel suspension is the superior concept ... (walks off under boohs and shrieks of disgust of the stunned audience ...).
But I'm not complaining. As reactions in this forum show, Gibson have obviously found a niche with this model and that is a good thing.
One could argue that the 3 point was less than state of the art (the inability to EASILY adjust individual string height) when it was intro'd around 40 years ago and it is still being utilized.
...if one were the arguing type ;D
Remember that site that Daniel posted several years ago?- Looks like they had a look as well.
These are photoshops-
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/lespauljrbass2xs.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/lespauldeluxebass.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/lespaulcustombb.jpg)
Quote from: dadagoboi on January 28, 2011, 05:32:40 AM
One could argue that the 3 point was less than state of the art (the inability to EASILY adjust individual string height) when it was intro'd around 40 years ago and it is still being utilized.
...if one were the arguing type ;D
:popcorn:
Quote from: dadagoboi on January 28, 2011, 05:32:40 AM
One could argue that the 3 point was less than state of the art (the inability to EASILY adjust individual string height) when it was intro'd around 40 years ago and it is still being utilized.
...if one were the arguing type ;D
I'm not even ignoring this but will bail out of the discussion right now! :mrgreen:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rqH4fUbko2U/TOLvFeub7OI/AAAAAAAASe8/kg8bDd7EcYc/s1600/Parachute-Descent.jpg)
Quote from: dadagoboi on January 27, 2011, 01:53:03 PM
The original is a mudbucker not a single coil, the cover is plastic not bakelite.
You're right! I was thinkin' of the EB1 pickup :-[
I'm very curious!
As soon as I saw this thread I couldn't stop drooling... But so far this thread is the only place to have mentioned these new Gibby beauties. I really hope these are real!
Gibson may finally be paying attention to us!
Btw of the short scale Tbird is in fact real and available in Kerry green this years gonna be expensive!
It's being hinted at here, read the cryptic, but mouthwatering cliffhanger posting of the Gibson Customer Service Team Member:
http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/61989-gibson-coming-out-with-any-new-basses-for-2011/
Who knows, someone might have actually surfed a little through our postings here and gotten an impression. As Gibson Bass forums go, we are the empirical Holy Grail together with the befriended site of Jules http://forums.vintageguitars.org.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=19 though Jules' site has more of a vintage focus (albeit one that is shifting to current models, inclusion of the 20/20 was a symptom AND a call to arms!!!).
Only here can a man still say how nice black hardware actually is! :mrgreen:
Quote from: uwe on January 28, 2011, 10:17:05 AM
Only here can a man still say how nice black hardware actually is! :mrgreen:
Are we the only two that agree that the black hardware is beautiful?? ???
That's a hundred percent increase already. I thought you had given up the faith, brother!
Not I!! I love the look of my blacked-out bird. I do have chrome on most of my basses, but that may be changing soon.
I have confidence in Henry that we will al be disappointed.....
Those photoshops always make me feel all funny inside - especially that goldtop. Wow
A (photoshopped) short scale Thunderbird and a normal Thunderbird:
(http://www.superfloor.net/shortscaleTbird.jpg)
I bet the neck dive is gone with the shorty
looks like a Mando bird
If the neck is not pulled out of the body by, say, three more frets, it's pretty much a pointless exercise. It would even then still be shorter and balance better than a long scale Bird as a short scale loses the first three - widest located - frets and the three frets it would gain would be in the upper register and much narrower in location to another.
But it will be interesting to see what comes out of it.
I stopped by the House again today to get more info. First the pictures I saw are representative of the models to come out not actual new product. The EB11 will have a minibucker, at least as it is specked out now, I doubt it will have banjo tuners or the black muddy cover, most likely chrome covers with chrome clover leaf tuners. I think I will like how that looks ! I was curious on the body material for the V and Explorer, both are listed as mahogany, one can only hope. I guess time will tell.
Well, one of my future experimental builds will be a 30" scale TB, but it will be hollow and have chrome pups (or maybe just one). ;D
Quote from: godofthunder on January 28, 2011, 12:44:30 PM
I stopped by the House again today to get more info. First the pictures I saw are representative of the models to come out not actual new product. The EB11 will have a minibucker, at least as it is specked out now, I doubt it will have banjo tuners or the black muddy cover, most likely chrome covers with chrome clover leaf tuners. I think I will like how that looks ! I was curious on the body material for the V and Explorer, both are listed as mahogany, one can only hope. I guess time will tell.
Yeah, I called Kurt awhile ago to chat with him about THEM. I think I could get into one of the EB11s in blue! I'm thinking about it.
Quote from: uwe on January 28, 2011, 12:30:52 PM
If the neck is not pulled out of the body by, say, three more frets, it's pretty much a pointless exercise. It would even then still be shorter and balance better than a long scale Bird as a short scale loses the first three - widest located - frets and the three frets it would gain would be in the upper register and much narrower in location to another.
It's actually two frets Uwe. If you take a long scale fretboard and saw it off at the second fret you have a short scale (the former second fret becomes the nut).
That's what I did in the photoshopped version. Plus -of course- I put the bridge further forward.
And yeah, it does make sense to grab to opportunity to gain some upper fret acces.
Let's see if I can rework the photoshopped shortbird...
back in a minute!
I'm going for the EB11 and a V, if they do a decent job on them.
Quote from: godofthunder on January 28, 2011, 12:44:30 PM
I stopped by the House again today to get more info. First the pictures I saw are representative of the models to come out not actual new product. The EB11 will have a minibucker, at least as it is specked out now, I doubt it will have banjo tuners or the black muddy cover, most likely chrome covers with chrome clover leaf tuners. I think I will like how that looks ! I was curious on the body material for the V and Explorer, both are listed as mahogany, one can only hope. I guess time will tell.
Duh - now I'm getting it! That wasn't a pic of the EB 11 you posted here at all, but of a vintage one. Why did no one keep me from writing silly things then? :-[ Bunch of friends you are.
The short scale TB, btw, is already on offer in some places (also in Germany). Judging from the prices in the UK and Germany, the American street price should be along the lines of what they asked for the Studio TBs. My hunch is it will not be neck thru but set neck then. A TBird for girls and beginners. Comes with a gig bag, not a case which indicates that it will be a budget-oriented model. Here's a Brit dealer offering it, albeit with a pic obviously depicting a long scale model. :-\
http://www.andertons.co.uk/bass-guitars/pid20108/cid560/gibson-thunderbird-short-scale-in-satin-ebony.asp
My countrymen are more honest and don't pretend to have a pic of it just yet. However they claim it will be neck thru ("durchgehender Hals"):
http://www.soundland.de/catalog/short-scales/gibson-thunderbird-short-scale-p-268642.html
Since it's available for order on a website, at least we know the short scale Bird will make it into production, right? Just like the Continental V! :P
Quote from: Dave W on January 28, 2011, 01:17:59 PM
Since it's available for order on a website, at least we know the short scale Bird will make it into production, right? Just like the Continental V! :P
Ouch, some people never forget!
Ah, Dave, you certainly have a talent to ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEHtfdGElKo
In any case, vee must haff that zat Köntinental Vee one day ...
(http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Charles/inglourious-basterds-colonel-landa.jpg)
With the bridge further to the front the whole thing becomes just as long as a regular Tbird. So the neck dive will be the same...
But you do get some proper upper fret access
(http://www.superfloor.net/shortscaleTbird2.jpg)
Sniff, and I will never know whether a snakewood top will make the bass sound as ssslithery as Snake Wessstheimer'sss venomousss remarksss on ttthhhe sssubject ... It would have been one niccce Tobiasss for sssure:
http://topguitars.info/guitars/view/185/196/default.html
(http://www.dv247.com/assets/products/36997_l.jpg)
Quote from: Basvarken on January 28, 2011, 01:28:51 PM
With the bridge further to the front the whole thing becomes just as long as a regular Tbird. So the neck dive will be the same...
But you do get some proper upper fret access
(http://www.superfloor.net/shortscaleTbird2.jpg)
Hmmm,
maybe Scott already saw a solution for us that ensures high fretboard access while retaining short scale dimensions? He is renowned to have fearlessly pragmatic ideas on the subject.
Short scale Tbird, neck through with 1 mudbucker, bar bridge, choke and banjo pegs. My kind of bass.
Quote from: uwe on January 28, 2011, 01:07:12 PM
Duh - now I'm getting it! That wasn't a pic of the EB 11 you posted here at all, but of a vintage one. Why did no one keep me from writing silly things then? :-[ Bunch of friends you are.
I was gonna say something earlier cause I got the impression some thought that was the new model. Didn't get around to it. ;D I've had that same pic of the pelham EB0 for a while.
Sounds like it's going to be a LP Jr. shaped version of the SG reissue, which would be OK by me. :)
Quote from: uwe on January 28, 2011, 01:31:19 PM
Sniff, and I will never know whether a snakewood top will make the bass sound as ssslithery as Snake Wessstheimer'sss venomousss remarksss on ttthhhe sssubject ... It would have been one niccce Tobiasss for sssure:
A shame, too. Gibson was trying to move beyond signing endorsers who are well past their prime in popularity and move into selling "modern" basses that look 15-20 years out of date.
(http://www.dv247.com/assets/products/36997_l.jpg)
That's one UGLY Carvin. :mrgreen:
Medium scale JAEbird concept/mockup. I'll be building one for Jim, slightly modified. 1" more into the body. Short scale also in the works.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Siamese%20Birds/P1020341.jpg)
Quote from: Psycho Bass Guy on January 29, 2011, 02:27:14 AM
(http://www.dv247.com/assets/products/36997_l.jpg)
That's one UGLY Carvin. :mrgreen:
I never thought about that before, it does look more like a Carvin than a Tobias.
Maybe Uwe can get Carvin to build him one. ;D
Quote from: Basvarken on January 28, 2011, 01:28:51 PM
With the bridge further to the front the whole thing becomes just as long as a regular Tbird. So the neck dive will be the same...
But you do get some proper upper fret access
(http://www.superfloor.net/shortscaleTbird2.jpg)
looks wrong like that. more like a guitar. i like bridges at the back of the body, IMHO that's where they belong and having played fenders for 38 years i don't want to have to think about where my hand is in relation to the pups and bridge. Everyone will start to sound like Jaco ???
The bridge of my Gretsch Billy-Bo is almost in the same position as Rob shopped.
I don' t have a problem with the bridge being that much forward on short scale basses. I think it looks better even in some cases.
Just anchor your thumb at one of the pickups, you can't go wrong.
I wish they would just get it over with and reissue a non reverse T bird :mrgreen:
Yeah, I'd love to see a NR. Not sure what to think of a Short scale TB yet.. ??? And thanks Scott for the info on the Gold LP Bass. This one has got my attention!
Quote from: weekend warrior on January 29, 2011, 12:20:04 PM
I wish they would just get it over with and reissue a non reverse T bird :mrgreen:
A BaCH plus some Lulls = agreat NR at far less $$$ than a Gibson, why wait ;)
A NR is still in the works I am told.
Jeesh, you take off a year and come back to this thread!? Thanks a lot Scott!
Quote from: TBird1958 on January 29, 2011, 01:41:38 PM
A BaCH plus some Lulls = agreat NR at far less $$$ than a Gibson, why wait ;)
got one already :mrgreen:
Quote from: godofthunder on January 29, 2011, 01:42:04 PM
A NR is still in the works I am told.
If that's true, I might have to wait and see what shakes out................ :-\
so... any firm news?