Gibson 2015

Started by Dave W, September 10, 2014, 05:34:15 PM

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Dave W

Gibson flat out refuses to make anything resembling an accurate bass reissue even though they have no problem doing it with guitars. If we see anything like a 29% price increase on the flagship bass models -- like they're doing with the LP Standard guitar --  I predict bass sales will tank. On top of that, dropping the few matte finish models will really hurt.

Thunderbird street price (MAP) was $1599 in 2013. It went to $2179 in 2014. A 29% increase would put it at $2810. Do you really think they'll sell at that price? I don't. At that level, even a historically accurate reissue wouldn't sell well.

uwe

Baz, they can't even sell four-stringers, why triple their burden? You have a way of being disparaging to their sales efforts ...
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gearHed289

Quote from: Baz Cooper on September 11, 2014, 08:30:32 PM
Can we ever get Gibson to make a Baz Cooper custom Thunderbird 8 or 12 string bass?????

No, that's what Hamer is for. Oh wait...  :-\

Blackbird

Quote from: Dave W on September 11, 2014, 09:50:34 PM
Gibson flat out refuses to make anything resembling an accurate bass reissue even though they have no problem doing it with guitars. If we see anything like a 29% price increase on the flagship bass models -- like they're doing with the LP Standard guitar --  I predict bass sales will tank. On top of that, dropping the few matte finish models will really hurt.

Thunderbird street price (MAP) was $1599 in 2013. It went to $2179 in 2014. A 29% increase would put it at $2810. Do you really think they'll sell at that price? I don't. At that level, even a historically accurate reissue wouldn't sell well.

A price like that would be absurd.  That's getting into Lull territory for a Bird, and as much as I love my Gibson's, I'd have to try something else at that price point.  Did they forget how many they sold at $1000 two years ago pre-anniversary models?  LOTS.  That outta help them when it comes to pricing.

finlover

Quote from: TBird1958 on September 10, 2014, 06:06:52 PM
I still kinda want a big Les Paul.......

Anyone need a moderately abused kidney?

You NEED one of these!  Only the 2013s have the bound neck and larger headstock so they're the ones to have IMO.  Mine sounds a little warmer than my Thunderbird but still has that thunderous low end.  Plus it has almost as much stage presence as you do, TBird1958!

Highlander

Quote from: Baz Cooper on September 11, 2014, 08:30:32 PM
Can we ever get Gibson to make a Baz Cooper custom Thunderbird 8 or 12 string bass?????

After your work, by all accounts I've seen, it would be such a disappointment when they screw it up for you... ;)

Quote from: uwe on September 11, 2014, 08:41:58 AM
There really should be a Scott Dasson signature TBird with some case candy ...

No need to fret, boys... :mrgreen:
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Quote from: uwe on September 11, 2014, 11:31:31 PM
Baz, they can't even sell four-stringers, why triple their burden? You have a way of being disparaging to their sales efforts ...

Maybe they'd get a better bulk price when they buy strings, at least. :rolleyes:

TBird1958

Quote from: finlover on September 12, 2014, 12:35:39 PM
You NEED one of these!  Only the 2013s have the bound neck and larger headstock so they're the ones to have IMO.  Mine sounds a little warmer than my Thunderbird but still has that thunderous low end.  Plus it has almost as much stage presence as you do, TBird1958!

That's a sweet bass, great pic too  ;)........... Maybe a black one for me...........
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lowend1

Quote from: TBird1958 on September 11, 2014, 10:50:08 AM
They need to make a Veronica Steed Sig.  :-*




That's chromy hardware, big effing tuners, a two point, '60s pups and no traditional staid colors.

...enlarged control cavity, recessed input jack...
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TBird1958

Quote from: lowend1 on September 13, 2014, 08:24:41 AM
...enlarged control cavity, recessed input jack...


  yummy!  :-*  :gay:
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finlover

Quote from: TBird1958 on September 13, 2014, 08:08:21 AM
That's a sweet bass, great pic too  ;)........... Maybe a black one for me...........

Thanks!:)  YES--black is the perfect color for the VSLP!  It would match any patent leather accoutrements you might be wearing plus there's no need for chromification.  Maybe you could add jeweled knobs or a hot pink switch tip, hmmmm...

uwe

Have you guys realized that there is a new TBird presented with those 2015 models? Three point-haters/challenged one rejoice is all I'm saying. TB Plus haters, listen up! Black hardware agnostics ... well, you can't habe it all ... plus lower frets and all. Go to the 2015 models in Dave's initial posting and after endless guitars, most of them LPs, a TBird will show up just before the firebird guitar.

We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

patman

Last year, I wanted one of the non-reverses, ...the price was right...but finances were not.

With the new price points, there's no way I will ever allow myself to spend that much money on a bass. Never.

slinkp

Quote from: Dave W on September 11, 2014, 09:50:34 PM
Thunderbird street price (MAP) was $1599 in 2013. It went to $2179 in 2014. A 29% increase would put it at $2810. Do you really think they'll sell at that price? I don't. At that level, even a historically accurate reissue wouldn't sell well.

$2600 US pre-order at Guitar Center for the new T-bird.   And it appears to be the only bird still for sale.  :sad:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibson-2015-Thunderbird-Electric-Bass-Guitar-110606852-i3870946.gc

Might be a good time to buy one of the 2014 models on sale though... like this SG for under $800 ...
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibson-SG-Special-2014-Electric-Bass-Guitar-109863621-i3486826.gc
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drbassman

Quote from: TBird1958 on September 10, 2014, 06:06:52 PM
I still kinda want a big Les Paul.......

Anyone need a moderately abused kidney?

They have two of those big Les Paul basses at HOG and they are both in cherry burst.  If you mentioned my name, they probably would give you a decent price since they've been there for awhile.   I'm just saying"................ 8)
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