I thought Uwe might like this tee.

Chris P. · August 24, 2011, 11:28:47 AM

TBird1958 · August 24, 2011, 11:37:56 AM

Well..................Germans do have a certain fondness for Dutch breastwerks

Dave W · August 24, 2011, 03:59:24 PM

I thought the Green Mountains were in Vermont.

uwe · August 25, 2011, 04:42:17 AM

It needs a Heinkel 111 silhouette somewhere. Prof Heinkel had some influence on how Rotterdam looks today. And Manchester. But that was where the Avro Lancasters were produced which in turn were probably the most important English influence on modern day German city planning and zoning!

GonzoBass · August 26, 2011, 11:31:19 AM

Quote from: uwe on August 25, 2011, 04:42:17 AM
...that was where the Avro Lancasters were produced which in turn were probably the most important English influence on modern day German city planning and zoning!

LOL

godofthunder · August 26, 2011, 03:19:52 PM

Avro Lancaster ? Oh come on. The Boeing B-17 deserves that title.

Highlander · August 26, 2011, 03:26:00 PM

Quote from: godofthunder on August 26, 2011, 03:19:52 PM
Avro Lancaster ? Oh come on. The Boeing B-17 deserves that title.

Not after dark, Scotty-mon...

Quote from: uwe on August 25, 2011, 04:42:17 AM
... probably the most important ~~English~~ influence on modern day ~~German~~ city planning and zoning!

Could you arrange a revisit to Coventry; the shopping centre we popped into on our way south was... well...

TBird1958 · August 26, 2011, 03:26:56 PM

Quote from: godofthunder on August 26, 2011, 03:19:52 PM
Avro Lancaster ? Oh come on. The Boeing B-17 deserves that title.

True! At least we installed AND USED the bombsight!

Scattering large bombs hither and yon over the beautiful German countryside doesn't count.

Highlander · August 26, 2011, 04:26:31 PM

Quantity, not quality, was (not) Bomber Command's moto...

uwe · August 26, 2011, 07:32:20 PM

Ok, share the honor then. Bit in truth the inability of the RAF to prcision bomb at night took the greater toll on inner cities.

And Coventry was a target out of the war handbook "when is bombing an enemy city allowed and warranted" as it had the largest percentage of military use industry of any English city.

For avoidance of doubt: Of course German bombers had no business bombing english cities in the first place because they were bobing for a regime plainly in the wrong. But if you take aside the wrong cause, the military operation as such was not a heinous war crime as such (there were enough others of the German forces). Just as Pearl Harbor wasn't a war crime but a precison strike against a military target and insofar relatively "clean" (Japan's ultimate motives aside, see above). There was at the time and is to this day no warfare rule according to which military action has to be preceded by a declaration of war. Surprise attacks and pre-emptive strikes against military targets are allowed. (And it wasn't even that surprising as Japan had already done the same thing in the Russian-Japanese War with Russia's navy a few decades before.) The Death March was a war crime, not Pearl Harbor.

shadowcastaz · August 26, 2011, 09:56:35 PM

Quote from: Dave W on August 24, 2011, 03:59:24 PM
I thought the Green Mountains were in Vermont.

Oh yes they definitely are!

Highlander · August 27, 2011, 02:23:20 AM

Coventry was a sacrificial lamb on Churchill's Alter, protecting Londinium... the 111's were being pushed north by bogus reports...

It would never happen in this day-and-age... CNN/BBC/et-al would be all over it...