Clean 1966 NR

[ilan]

In Japan

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195823608899

$11,449

[TBird1958]

Is this one John Fertig's old bass?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/334927269243?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D252354%26meid%3Df889de6f60574d088a681cadca6c9aa5%26pid%3D101224%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D195823608899%26itm%3D334927269243%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWebV9BertRefreshRanker%26brand%3DGibson&_trksid=p2047675.c101224.m-1

[godofthunder]

Is this one John Fertig's old bass?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/334927269243?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D252354%26meid%3Df889de6f60574d088a681cadca6c9aa5%26pid%3D101224%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D195823608899%26itm%3D334927269243%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWebV9BertRefreshRanker%26brand%3DGibson&_trksid=p2047675.c101224.m-1

John's Cardinal Red Nonreverse Thunderbird was a II

[godofthunder]

   Here's John's signed by Mike Watt.

[uwe]

OMA(ncestors), you could raise the Yamato for that kind of money!

[TBird1958]

OMA(ncestors), you could raise the Yamato for that kind of money!

Pfft.....Considering it's insignifivant overall contribution to the Japanese war effort, I'd say no, I'll take the bass please!

Considering how few battleship actions took place in the Pacifiic it's surprising that the US Navy had so many built after Pearl Harbor, aside from some night action off Guadalcanal involving the USS Washington and the South Dakota vs the IJN Kirishima and some destroyers. The South Dakota was new at the time with an inexpirienced crew and captain, the Washington, commanded by Willis A. ("Ching") Lee shelled the Kirishima into a wreck that was scuttled shortly afterwards. The USS Washington was the only US battleship to sink an enemy battleship in one on one action.
Bad decisions by Adm. Halsey kept the entire force of US fast battleships and Willis Lee out of the battle of Leyte Gulf, missing an opportunity to meet both the Yamato and Musashi, what a fight that would have been!

Let's have some Al Stewart and remember Old Admirals, while generally not recognized widely Willis Lee was one the best the US Navy ever had, sadly, he died from a heart attack in August of 1945, barely outliving the war he fought.



   

[uwe]

Insignificant ain't the word! Had things gone as planned, the largest battleship on Earth/water would have concluded its military career intentionally beached before Okinawa as an island fortification. At least 11 US torpedo and at least six US bomb hits put that plan on hold, now she's guarding the sea bottom in two pieces.

No argument, the aircraft carrier (and to some extent: submarines) was/were to battleships what mammals were to dinosaurs - make room for the more flexible species scaly one!

But in fairness: The US Navy saw that coming more perceptively than any other navy in the world. That battleships were still built at all after Pearl Harbor was also a reaction to having lost so many in the attack and wishing to replenish numbers. But you're right, battleships played a minuscule role in the Pacific and no role in the Atlantic in WWII. They were naval status symbols.

[TBird1958]

I was reading recently a quote from some an admiral or historian that Pearl Harbor was in one way a blessing in that had the US fleet met the Japanese at sea at that time all the battleships would have been sunk completely and with much greater loss of life. Hard to argue the point.

Oh yeah, Thunderbird!

       

[Pilgrim]

Insignificant ain't the word! Had things gone as planned, the largest battleship on Earth/water would have concluded its military career intentionally beached before Okinawa as an island fortification. At least 11 US torpedo and at least six US bomb hits put that plan on hold, now she's guarding the sea bottom in two pieces.

No argument, the aircraft carrier (and to some extent: submarines) was/were to battleships what mammals were to dinosaurs - make room for the more flexible species scaly one!

But in fairness: The US Navy saw that coming more perceptively than any other navy in the world. That battleships were still built at all after Pearl Harbor was also a reaction to having lost so many in the attack and wishing to replenish numbers. But you're right, battleships played a minuscule role in the Pacific and no role in the Atlantic in WWII. They were naval status symbols.

Exactly. I remember reading that WWII was the event that proved battleships to be obsolete.

[uwe]

Bloody waste of men, raw materials and resources too. The raw materials and resources Germany needed for building the Bismarck and its sister ship Tirpitz set back the German Reich's rearmament programs for several years - in an economy already struggling with shortages. Well, at least that way comparatively little damage was done with them once they were operational and especially civilians were left unscathed.

One thing you can say about the Yamato is that its hull looked elegant and sleek for such a huge vessel. Bit like a Samurai sword. And you can also tell by the somewhat cluttered semi-porcupine look of the mid-ship superstructures that the Imperial Japanese Navy had - rightfully so - become paranoid about US airborne attacks, using every little space for additional anti-aircraft guns. Didn't help any. 

[TBird1958]

Bloody waste of men, raw materials and resources too. The raw materials and resources Germany needed for building the Bismarck and its sister ship Tirpitz set back the German Reich's rearmament programs for several years - in an economy already struggling with shortages. Well, at least that way comparatively little damage was done with them once they were operational and especially civilians were left unscathed.

One thing you can say about the Yamato is that its hull looked elegant and sleek for such a huge vessel. Bit like a Samurai sword. And you can also tell by the somewhat cluttered semi-porcupine look of the mid-ship superstructures that the Imperial Japanese Navy had - rightfully so - become paranoid about US airborne attacks, using every little space for additional anti-aircraft guns. Didn't help any. 

The navies of both Germany and Japan could barely keep their battleships fueled, neither ever even possessed enough tankers much less oil to keep up with their navy's appetite for fuel, the only country that did worse were the Italians. Although smaller I like the lines of the Washington and  Iowa class a bit better than the Yamato......At least they weren't ugly like say, HMS Rodney. 

[uwe]

We have a sparkling wine tax ("Schaumweinsteuer") in Gernany that dates back to WWI - it was introduced to back the naval war effort. There is a saying about it: "The German fleet has since then been dispatched to the bottom of the ocean twice, the tax is still around!" 

[TBird1958]

We have a sparkling wine tax ("Schaumweinsteuer") in Gernany that dates back to WWI - it was introduced to back the naval war effort. There is a saying about it: "The German fleet has since then been dispatched to the bottom of the ocean twice, the tax is still around!" 

I'd say you and your country never got your money's worth out of the tax!

[uwe]

 

The only thing the Reichsmarine was ever good for was making a mutiny/revolution on land in late 1918 and having the Kaiser abdicate (we dumped him with Rob's ancestors!).



Other than that they were largely valiant in defeat ...

[ilan]

Somewhere here there's a planet with a German battleships discussion forum where every thread is thrown into Gibson basses.