Intriguing Antigua

ilan · April 14, 2021, 01:22:25 AM

Quote from: Dave W on April 13, 2021, 11:04:33 PM
It's not heavy enough to absorb much, it's just cast zinc.

Rics have high-mass cast zinc bridge/tailpieces and are not known for being very deep-sounding.

4stringer77 · April 14, 2021, 01:08:53 PM

What's weird is the bulky full contact hipshot two point replacement on my EB-3 didn't seem to change the tone much compared to when it had the flimsy chrome bar.
Getting back to Antigua, it seems to be more popular currently. Prices on vintage ones are higher than they have been and Fender offers it on their build a bass option list. Not sure why they don't offer the matching pickguard because what's the point otherwise?

amptech · April 15, 2021, 01:24:31 AM

Quote from: ilan on April 14, 2021, 01:22:25 AM
Rics have high-mass cast zinc bridge/tailpieces and are not known for being very deep-sounding.

I don't think I'll be able to put this in a scientific context, but isn't the bridges on all old gibson basses high mass cast zinc alloy?
I know, maho and mudbucker.. but would they be less deep sounding with a steel bridge?

Dave W · April 15, 2021, 01:31:14 AM

Quote from: ilan on April 14, 2021, 01:22:25 AM
Rics have high-mass cast zinc bridge/tailpieces and are not known for being very deep-sounding.

Quote from: 4stringer77 on April 14, 2021, 01:08:53 PM
What's weird is the bulky full contact hipshot two point replacement on my EB-3 didn't seem to change the tone much compared to when it had the flimsy chrome bar.
Getting back to Antigua, it seems to be more popular currently. Prices on vintage ones are higher than they have been and Fender offers it on their build a bass option list. Not sure why they don't offer the matching pickguard because what's the point otherwise?

IMHO it's more than just material or mass, although both are almost certainly factors.

Not quite sure which luthier/builder said this, but there are three things that can happen at a bridge when you play a note: the string energy is either retained in the string, transmitted into the body, or dissipated. Every bridge will allow some combination of the three. If too much string energy is dissipated, that would obviously be undesirable. The rest depends on what the designer was trying to accomplish. I remember a BP interview with Mica Wickersham in the 90s explaining that Alembic's bridge design, with the brass T-O-M type bridge connecting to a heavy brass plate sunk into the body, was designed to keep as much energy in the string as possible.

All we can do is decide whether it sounds good or not.

4stringer77 · April 22, 2021, 08:53:49 AM

This 77' is one of the nicer sounding ones. Tony has been generous enough to share his wonderful bass with us in this video. I wonder if that bass originally came as a fretless or if it was a conversion? At least the finish must have been added.

gearHed289 · April 22, 2021, 10:24:12 AM

That bass sounds great! Doesn't hurt that Tony is a great player.

Alanko · April 30, 2021, 11:09:49 AM

I just did a bit of a sweep of my parts box and came up with these:

I used to like this sort of bridge as the saddles are locked into grooves, so they won't wobble or tip. I don't play bass with a heavy right hand attack any more, so that isn't really an issue.

I wish there was a smoking gun, 'I swapped out the bridge for one of these and it did X', but I can't place it from my own experiences. I can see an argument for why a higher mass bridge might increase sustain and tone, and I can see the argument for why it might do the opposite.

I did handle a '70s Jazz bass a few years back that had a Badass II and brass nut fitted. The benefits of these, in terms of sustain and tone, were possibly undermined by the wavering gaps down each side of the neck. It was also a right heavy bastard, beaten to death, dirty and finished in a thick clear coat. "Mojo", apparently.