Could rosewood boards be on the way out?

[Dave W]

New CITES Regulations For All Rosewood Species (amended)

This will be an enormous nuisance, especially for small builders. I predict a movement toward alternative species that aren't endangered by China's high end furniture market.

[Chris P.]

There's a lot of discussion in Holland about it now, but mainly because nobody reads it and even news papers were writing you couldn't use any rosewood anymore. It will be a matter of time, but this makes it difficult for small builders but of course also for shops and big ones.

[dadagoboi]

New CITES Regulations For All Rosewood Species

This will be an enormous nuisance, especially for small builders. I predict a movement toward alternative species that aren't endangered by China's high end furniture market.

Link sent me to a site called "Verb.com".  Have I been hacked?

[luve2fli]

The site has gone down since Dave posted ....

[Dave W]

I don't know why my original link changed, I tested it in preview mode before posting.

https://reverb.com/news/new-cites-regulations-for-all-rosewood-species

[4stringer77]

No worries, baked maple is just as good...right?

[dadagoboi]

No worries, baked maple is just as good...right?

Thanks, Dave!  One more reason to retire.

[Highlander]

... as long as it isn't a Bladerunner "retirement"...

[Pilgrim]

Here's the really problematic part - used instruments.

"Even if the instrument was made with Dalbergia or the other regulated woods that were acquired before January 2, 2017 - such as a used or vintage instrument - it still must be accompanied by a CITES certificate and marked pre-convention when shipping internationally.

For example, a seller in Nashville looking to ship her 2013 Martin 000-28 with East Indian rosewood back and sides to a buyer in Canada must apply for a re-export certificate, pay the application fee, receive the certificate, and include that document with the guitar when shipping.

For sellers in the United States, CITES re-export certificates must be applied for through the US Fish and Wildlife Service. You can download the application here.

Representatives of the agency have said that initial turnaround times on certificate application may be on the order of months." 

I should note that the last line contains the word "initial..." which holds some promise of reduced wait times. However, who thinks the Fish & Wildlife Service is likely to get additional funding under the next administration to deal with this?  Anyone?  Bueller?  Bueller?

And there is this attempt at peacekeeping:

"If you contact US Fish and Wildlife, please keep in mind that they did not suggest or create this regulation - the parties of the international CITES conference did. The employees of US Fish and Wildlife are trying to work with manufacturers and sellers to develop streamlined processes around this."

All I can suggest is, if you have instruments with Rosewood you should save the original receipts or any other documentation to make it possible to re-sell. OTOH, there's the option of not selling outside the US.

[dadagoboi]

All I can suggest is, if you have instruments with Rosewood you should save the original receipts or any other documentation to make it possible to re-sell. OTOH, there's the option of not selling outside the US.

It seems no matter what, if you sell internationally, for individual sales you have to apply for a certificate.  A sales slip or documentation alone isn't going to do it.  That's a minimum of $100.

"there's the option of not selling outside the US."
Because we're going to be great again, so why would you want to sell anywhere else?

[uwe]

I   s e e   S.  W.  A.  T.   t e a m s   !!!



We had the same issue in Germany a couple of years ago (based on the interpretation of an EU Directive) with vintage collectors going into hysteria mode - I haven't been arrested yet. 

But of course you should reserve "The Rosewood Renegade Realm" somewhere in the Dark Net as a domain name right now ... 

[exiledarchangel]

They banned mahogany, now they ban rosewood, maybe now is the time for a (headless) Tbird made completely of carbon fiber.

[Dave W]

They banned mahogany, now they ban rosewood, maybe now is the time for a (headless) Tbird made completely of carbon fiber.

Mahogany isn't banned, there are restrictions on how much bigleaf (Honduras) mahogany can be harvested from its natural habitats. Most true mahogany used today is plantation-grown in Fiji and elsewhere.

This action on rosewood is a lot more severe.

I wonder if pau ferro trees will grow in Minnesota.   

[gearHed289]

Interesting timing on today's e-mail - http://us8.campaign-archive2.com/?u=5187bff6d4eeb00cbbb9c3d63&id=3b9add0adf&e=4c67a227e5

[dadagoboi]

Mahogany isn't banned, there are restrictions on how much bigleaf (Honduras) mahogany can be harvested from its natural habitats. Most true mahogany used today is plantation-grown in Fiji and elsewhere.

This action on rosewood is a lot more severe.

I wonder if pau ferro trees will grow in Minnesota.   

Most of the 'mahogany' used these days is fake anyway, it's just an African species that vaguely resemble the real thing.