What Can You Guys Tell Me About My Surprise New Bass- LP Double Cut

Started by veebass, August 26, 2016, 10:08:15 PM

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Highlander

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veebass

Quote from: Highlander on August 31, 2016, 01:41:59 PM
Biflex...? not familiar with that term... :o

Here's an article about them.

QuoteThe Bi-Flex truss rod is still a single rod, but it works in both directions. It can correct concave neck bowing just as a single-action truss rod does, but it can also be adjusted in the opposite direction to correct convex neck bowing.

http://www2.fender.com/experience/tech-talk/bi-flex-truss-rod/

Dave W

Quote from: Highlander on August 31, 2016, 01:41:59 PM
Biflex...? not familiar with that term... :o

It's a rod that's unsure of its gender so it goes both ways.

Note the last paragraph of the Fender article. Most truss rods that adjust for upbow and backbow are double rods, like the Stew-Mac Hot Rods. The rod in the Double Cut/Money is more likely a double rod setup than the single rod Fender biflex, although they both accomplish the same thing. No way to tell without removing it. Maybe Uwe's luthier remembers.

veebass

Quote from: Dave W on August 31, 2016, 03:53:12 PM
It's a rod that's unsure of its gender so it goes both ways.

Note the last paragraph of the Fender article. Most truss rods that adjust for upbow and backbow are double rods, like the Stew-Mac Hot Rods. The rod in the Double Cut/Money is more likely a double rod setup than the single rod Fender biflex, although they both accomplish the same thing. No way to tell without removing it. Maybe Uwe's luthier remembers.

That would be interesting to know.
No info I could find from Gibson.
http://archive.gibson.com/Files/USA_PDFs/Data_LP_DblCut_bass.pdf

uwe

It was a double rod one (which I wrecked) and he replaced it with a single rod one commenting that a long scale bass that needs more bow than a relaxed single rod would give is practically unheard of. The only bass I have that could use more bow is my WAL Mk1. And not when I string it with D'Addarios!
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uwe

We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

Highlander

The random mind of a Silver Surfer...
If research was easy, it wouldn't need doing...
Staring at that event horizon is a dirty job, but someone has to do it; something's going to come back out of it one day...

veebass

Quote from: uwe on September 02, 2016, 02:26:18 PM
Why am I not surprised?  :)

Let me guess......because you have one. I know you said you had one with a truss misadventure that lead to an opportunity ;D
These are an example of how when Gibson got it right with basses, they really did.
Lovely little basses. Very present in a rock context, reasonably ergonomic and looks the goods.

uwe

"Let me guess......because you have one."

Wrong, I have three.



And I do like the one I broke best, it's a great growly fretless:





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From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

veebass

Quote from: uwe on September 05, 2016, 01:04:32 PM
"Let me guess......because you have one."

Wrong, I have three.



And I do like the one I broke best, it's a great growly fretless:



A foolish mistake.  ;)

uwe

It still baffles me that those basses were not more successful in the end. It was a modern-styled, yet not run-of-the-mill look bass that provided an assertive Gibson growl, great for most musical settings. Add a double octave neck and great ergonomics, not too heavy.
We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

veebass

Quote from: uwe on September 06, 2016, 07:57:06 AM
It still baffles me that those basses were not more successful in the end. It was a modern-styled, yet not run-of-the-mill look bass that provided an assertive Gibson growl, great for most musical settings. Add a double octave neck and great ergonomics, not too heavy.

Yes, I agree. But, that would be assuming that people would judge the bass on what it actually does rather than subscribe to sage internet advice that Gibson makes rubbish basses, it must weigh a ton, neck dives through the floor, it's headstock is bound to fly off at the slightest touch, the quality control would be terrible and that all Gibson pickups are muddy and indistinct.
I didn't buy one when they were new largely because of the price out here and the hit I would taken if I needed to move it on. I was quite impressed with them new.
I posted a NBD about it on TB a few days ago largely to see what would happen.
56 likes on the OP, lots of positive comments and surprisingly not a single Gibson basses are all rubbish comment even though I have never played one.

Dave W

It doesn't baffle me. Gibson made no effort to promote the original. The Money versions that were in the GOW program were promoted --- to guitarists.

uwe

Well, at the time they at least sent one out to German muso mag Gitarre & Bass to review, something Gibson does with even its most non-descript guitars, but hardly ever with basses. And it got a so-so extensive review along the lines of 'well-made and nice-looking, just don't expect it to sound like a modern, clear and focussed treble-oriented bass, something for specialists really or if you're looking for something different'.

Of course, all modern basses have to sound "clear, focussed and treble-oriented", how could Gibson have forgotten that?!
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