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Title: Jethro Tull - Thunderbird content!
Post by: Denis on December 09, 2010, 12:03:13 PM
Nifty footage of Tull at Isle of Wight, 1970. Good shots of Cornick's T-bird!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrtz8nLFtmU
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Post by: Stjofön Big on December 09, 2010, 12:52:38 PM
Nice bass. Boring band.
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Post by: nofi on December 09, 2010, 02:48:28 PM
you mean jethro dull?
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Post by: Hornisse on December 09, 2010, 05:23:09 PM
Cool vid.  I love Jethro Tull.  Not boring at all if you ask me.  I guess my favorite by them is still Bungle In The Jungle.
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Post by: Highlander on December 09, 2010, 05:39:44 PM
... and a selection of Hiwatt's thrown in for good measure... ;)
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Post by: eb2 on December 09, 2010, 05:44:26 PM
That is probably the best period of Tull.  I like that gig a lot.  Now, A Passion Play?  That is boring.
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Post by: Freuds_Cat on December 09, 2010, 06:15:55 PM
Quote from: eb2 on December 09, 2010, 05:44:26 PM
Now, A Passion Play?  That is boring.

Cant disagree with that.

I'm still a fan though. As unfashionable as it might be I love the Broadsword and the beast album and the usual culprits like Aqualung, Thick as a Brick, Minstrel in the Gallery and Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7d/JethroTull-Broadsword.jpg)

saw them during the Catfish rising tour and was suitably entertained.

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Post by: Highlander on December 09, 2010, 06:19:13 PM
Never been a great fan but have a nice compilation of their stuff...
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Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on December 09, 2010, 07:15:37 PM
The first 3 Tull albums with GC are among THEE BEST ROCK ALBUMS MADE!!!
They were one of the most riveting LIVE bands in the 60s.
I was just a schoolboy then & I was blown away!!! Saw 'em several times.
Clive Bunker is still one o' the Best Ever Drummers! GREAT Rhythm Section!!
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Post by: clankenstein on December 09, 2010, 07:24:32 PM
thats a pretty dirty bass sound he has there.flog those hiwatts!
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Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on December 09, 2010, 07:25:57 PM
The dvd of this show sounds a lot better than this youtube clip, of course. ;)
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Post by: Dave W on December 09, 2010, 09:49:52 PM
I never liked heavy metal until Tull got their heavy metal Grammy.  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Hornisse on December 09, 2010, 10:06:55 PM
Quote from: Dave W on December 09, 2010, 09:49:52 PM
I never liked heavy metal until Tull got their heavy metal Grammy.  :mrgreen:

That really pissed Metallica off!  I remember they performed at that Grammy Awards show and were expected to win.  I actually liked that record though. (Crest Of A Knave)  The award was (officially) for Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance Vocal or Instrumental
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Post by: vates on December 10, 2010, 01:31:40 AM
Quote from: Rhythm N. Bliss on December 09, 2010, 07:15:37 PM
The first 3 Tull albums with GC are among THEE BEST ROCK ALBUMS MADE!!!
..
Clive Bunker is still one o' the Best Ever Drummers! GREAT Rhythm Section!!

I totally agree here.

I've got that DVD. Glenn is one of my major influences :)
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Post by: gweimer on December 10, 2010, 05:41:30 AM
I found Tull with Mick Abrahams a little inconsistent, but once Martin Barre came on, they were solid.  Benefit is probably my favorite album, followed closely by Aqualung and Thick as a Brick.  I actually sat down once, and learned most of Thick as a Brick.
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Post by: Stjofön Big on December 10, 2010, 06:40:27 AM
Nice to see the Jethros got so many friends here. Thick as a brick was the last record I bought with the band. By that time I was fed up with them, Genesis, Yes, and a bunch of other English so called progressive groups. Though they worked in different fields, what held these groups together was, in my mind, the artie stuff they tried to do. I found, that way of doing it, boring. Still do.
When Roxy Music and Television turned up, then I got interested in turning the page again. I think they did artie stuff too, but in a completely other league than the above mentioned. Most of all, Roxy had humour.
Though I agree concerning Glenn Cornick. Great bass player. But I prefer a simpler man, like Carl Radle, or a spectacular one, like John Entwhistle.
Now, let me hear you say Yeah?  .... (in unison:) - Noooooooh!!!
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Post by: Hornisse on December 10, 2010, 06:41:12 AM
And who could forget this classic bass intro?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8
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Post by: Denis on December 10, 2010, 07:09:21 AM
Or this one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBgVgXpVJXU&feature=related
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Post by: uwe on December 10, 2010, 07:18:35 AM
I never was much of a Tull fan - their music was always too angular for me and didn't swing right, ballads excepted -, but they are one thing not: a boring or uncommitted live band. In fact they have been living on the justified reputation for the opposite ever since their record sales dwindled in the eighties. They're fans are fervent as regards their live capabilities and we're talking about music that is not simplistic to play.

I like War Child best. Iconic cover, slightly disturbing.
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Post by: patman on December 10, 2010, 08:19:23 AM
Ian Anderson was always pretty much willing to go wherever the music took him...regardless of whether it sold well or not.
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Post by: PhilT on December 10, 2010, 09:05:22 AM
Quote from: patman on December 10, 2010, 08:19:23 AM
Ian Anderson was always pretty much willing to go wherever the music took him...regardless of whether it sold well or not.

Didn't Mick Abrahams leave because, as he saw it, Anderson was going wherever the money took him? As it turned out, the money definitely followed Anderson, rather than Abrahams.

Tull since the mid 1970s has been a who's who of British folk rock.
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Post by: eb2 on December 10, 2010, 10:03:13 AM
I am not sure exactly why Mick Abrahams left, but I actually like both Bloodwyn Pig lps. In fact, the music overall is more enjoyable than the Wild Turkey lps.  I prefer GC on bass overall, but musically Wild Turkey was ok.  I suspect Mick Abrahams didn't want to stray too far from blues rock and too far into Tull's peculiar British Folk.  He did The Squirreling Must Go On as a nod to wanting more Cat's Squirrel.

I saw Tull live a couple of times, and both shows were good.  The second was a few years ago, so it was interesting.  It is more or less Ian Anderson and Martin Barre with some hired guns.  But they try to play like it should sound, and oddly enough both Barre and Anderson are in physically great shape and lively on stage, so it was a great show.
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Post by: TBird1958 on December 10, 2010, 11:33:23 AM


I saw them on the "Passion Play" tour, I guess in '74 or '75, they played the entire album without pause - like 55-60 minutes of music! Then went on to play many of their older songs.
Two weeks earlier I'd seen Led Zep in what still ranks as the absolute worst show I've ever gone to, Jethro Tull were very tight and musically one of the very best shows by comparison.
And yeah, I like War Child best too  ;)
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Post by: jumbodbassman on December 10, 2010, 03:30:21 PM
Quote from: eb2 on December 09, 2010, 05:44:26 PM
That is probably the best period of Tull.  I like that gig a lot.  Now, A Passion Play?  That is boring.

i agree....  Cornick was outstanding bass player.  Bunker great too....it was all downhill  by Aqualung
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Post by: PhilT on December 10, 2010, 06:01:32 PM
Just because Gerry Conway had the drum seat in Jethro Tull for a while, I went looking for Eclection. Thought they were lost forever, but with the magic of Youtube, here they are,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBP88nWjGT0

http://www.sailor-marinero.com/related_eclection.htm
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Post by: Droombolus on December 11, 2010, 05:26:10 AM
Their album was released on CD some 5 years ago ........ It's lovely lite-psych in perfect sync with the age it was produced in ....... Their major song writer went on to form Sailor in the 70s.
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Post by: PhilT on December 11, 2010, 06:11:38 AM
Well, I can't remember when I last searched for them, but whenever it was I didn't find anything. I had the original LP, but must have part-exchanged it at one of the 2nd hand record shops I frequented in the early 70s. There's a few up for sale for 40-50 GBP now, though no sign they're selling.

I wonder which species of bass Trevor Lucas is playing there. That's one hell of a tone he's got.

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Post by: uwe on December 11, 2010, 11:39:47 AM
I think the old Jethro Tull guard (Abrahams, Cornick, Bunker) were all sequentially ousted for the same reason: Anderson saw the English blues boom coming to an end and there was already one Fleetwood Mac. He wanted to take the music in a more progish direction (for commercial reasons or for his musical love, it doesn't really matter), where those three wouldn't or couldn't follow. None of them ever played prog grock thereafter, so Anderson was probably right in his instincts.
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Post by: Basshappi on December 11, 2010, 06:32:59 PM
I love Jethro Tull, one of my all-time favorite bands. Saw them on the Stormwatch tour when John Glascock was playing with them (he died a short time later) and he was a great bass player.

I had to play "Bouree" for an audition once back in the day and I have played "It Was A New Day Yesterday"  and "Locomotive Breath" in a couple of bands over the years. I'd jump at the chance to be in a Tull tribute band :D but I doubt that would ever happen! :(

Cheers!
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Post by: eb2 on December 12, 2010, 11:17:30 AM
If the tour bus had driven off a cliff after Benefit ( or even the Living In The Past comp) they would have been remembered as one of the most amazing bands ever.  Twenty years of stuff like Passion Play, A, Too Old To Rock N Roll, etc., can really take the sheen off the cutting edge vibe.

Did anyone ever really think of them as Prog Rock?  I would lump a lot of people in that nightmare, but Tull/Ian Anderson was really too folky and peculiar to be that.  They did go through a period of odd time changes to fill out an LP side, but it always sounded like Fairport Convention smoked angel dust to me.  And I did see them with David Pegg on bass.
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Post by: PhilT on December 12, 2010, 05:58:26 PM
Quote from: eb2 on December 12, 2010, 11:17:30 AM

Did anyone ever really think of them as Prog Rock?  I would lump a lot of people in that nightmare, but Tull/Ian Anderson was really too folky and peculiar to be that.  They did go through a period of odd time changes to fill out an LP side, but it always sounded like Fairport Convention smoked angel dust to me.  And I did see them with David Pegg on bass.

I don't think prog rock had been invented when Tull started. I remember them as "underground", which was anything that wasn't mainstream pop. Then "Living in the Past" got in the charts and there was a lot of grumbling about Tull selling out. But they never got mired in the English folk rock that Swarbrick dragged Fairport into. Earlier Fairport was somewhere between Jefferson Airplane and The Byrds.

Mick Abrahams is still going, but is not well, according to his web site.

http://www.mickaby.freeola.com/
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Post by: Dave W on December 12, 2010, 09:23:35 PM
I always just thought of them as a rock band, nothing more specific than that.
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Post by: Pilgrim on December 12, 2010, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: Dave W on December 12, 2010, 09:23:35 PM
I always just thought of them as a rock band, nothing more specific than that.

Me, too - and a rather unconventional one at that.  Think "Thick as a Brick". 
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Post by: uwe on December 13, 2010, 04:13:55 AM
Prog Rock in a roundabout way. I use the term for:

1. music you mostly can't dance to (or would want to),
2. using odd meters more than once in while,
3. a lead vocalist (with a not overly commercial voice) singing things other than "baby, baby, rock me till the juice runs down my legs",
4. hardly any or no single hits,
5. played with some instrumental skill,
6. they never do Johnny B. Goode as an encore,
7. long lyrics that either mean something or nothing, but the latter very elaborately
8. they do concept albums at least once in a while
9. they have more 10 minute than 2.30 minute songs
10. they never pitch the chorus at the end of their songs by a half- or full-note to make it sound more commercial.
11. real prog is British and its protagonists all went to English (or at least Scottish) public (= private) schools (US prog bands such as Kansas could never match the Brits for worldwide recognition, but remained largely a local phenomenon)

Tull ticks the boxes on all of those. Maybe they weren't bad prog, but they sure were prog (which to me is not an insult, I make jokes about it, but I also listen to it quite a bit).

In my German high school, once you reached 10th or 11th grade liking prog over "lesser forms of music" (such as Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Status Quo, Kiss, Sweet, Slade, Uriah Heep) was mandatory (unless you were a musical outcast like me) and that meant liking the five prog greats: Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull and Emerson, Lake & Palmer   as well as those prog bands that did not quite make it as big or as consistently big such as Camel, Gentle Giant, Supertramp (though they were probably always equally an AOR pop band too), Mike Oldfield=Tubular Bells, Triumvirat, Manfred Mann's Earth Band etc. Wishbone Ash was one band you were actually allowed to like irrespective whether you otherwise favored Status Quo or Jethro Tull, but they were an exception. And if you were extremely cool, you would say all of the above are crap and only listen to Frank Zappa. Plus a little McLaughlin and Cobham to the side.

I'd say that together with Genesis (Peter Gabriel and first two Phil Collins lead voiced albums) and Pink Floyd ("Echoes", Dark Side and Wish you were here), Jethro Tull ruled the canon of prog bands popular in Germany in the seventies. Households without either Aqualung or Thick as a Brick as an LP were few and far between.  Tull filled huge halls in the seventies in Germany. I can't remember a school or youth disco where Locomotive Breath (one of the few danceable tunes of JT) wasn't played, that piano intro would always create sheer bliss on the dance floor back then.  And Ian Anderson was widely regarded as one of the most charismatic frontmen, his lyrics fervently studied by all those proud of their Englisch language capabilities. New albums coming out by JT up to Too old too rock'n'roll (which caused some bewilderment among the devoted for sounding overtly poppy and commercial) were regarded as the gospel, hell, people even said they liked Passion Play  :mrgreen: (which tended to be the third-most popular JT album after the other two mentioned above).
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Post by: vates on December 13, 2010, 04:20:26 AM
Quote from: Basshappi on December 11, 2010, 06:32:59 PM
I'd jump at the chance to be in a Tull tribute band :D

my thoughts exactly :)
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Post by: uwe on December 13, 2010, 04:22:49 AM
You certainly wouldn't be bored as a bass player. All JT bass players always enjoyed considerable freedom. In Germany, a JT tribute would not have to worry about club gigs, I'm sure.
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Post by: vates on December 13, 2010, 04:37:12 AM
Hehe. We are thinking about possible tour through NW Poland and Northern Germany May-June 2011. Perhaps, we ought to consider including some JT covers into our set-list :)
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Post by: Stjofön Big on December 13, 2010, 05:12:07 AM
I guess the only J T tune I've played in a band, was New day yesterday. That bass line, in my ears, only sounds strained.
Concerning your classification, Uwe, of the prog rock family, I agree. Though I don't listen to that stuff any more. It's more than 35 years since I got really tired of it and sold the records. Tubular bells, that's one I kinda liked, but haven't played it since... well, I guess you alreday know...
How and where would anyone here place Kevin Ayers in the team park? He's a bass player to, you know.
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Post by: gweimer on December 13, 2010, 05:53:35 AM
Quote from: uwe on December 13, 2010, 04:13:55 AM
Prog Rock in a roundabout way. I use the term for:

1. music you mostly can't dance to (or would want to),
2. using odd meters more than once in while,
3. a lead vocalist (with a not overly commercial voice) singing things other than "baby, baby, rock me till the juice runs down my legs",
4. hardly any or no single hits,
5. played with some instrumental skill,
6. they never do Johnny B. Goode as an encore,
7. long lyrics that either mean something or nothing, but the latter very elaborately
8. they do concept albums at least once in a while
9. they have more 10 minute than 2.30 minute songs
10. they never pitch the chorus at the end of their songs by a half- or full-note to make it sound more commercial.
11. real prog is British and its protagonists all went to English (or at least Scottish) public (= private) schools (US prog bands such as Kansas could never match the Brits for worldwide recognition, but remained largely a local phenomenon)

Tull ticks the boxes on all of those. Maybe they weren't bad prog, but they sure were prog (which to me is not an insult, I make jokes about it, but I also listen to it quite a bit).

In my German high school, once you reached 10th or 11th grade liking prog over "lesser forms of music" (such as Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Status Quo, Kiss, Sweet, Slade, Uriah Heep) was mandatory (unless you were a musical outcast like me) and that meant liking the five prog greats: Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull and Emerson, Lake & Palmer   as well as those prog bands that did not quite make it as big or as consistently big such as Camel, Gentle Giant, Supertramp (though they were probably always equally an AOR pop band too), Mike Oldfield=Tubular Bells, Triumvirat, Manfred Mann's Earth Band etc. Wishbone Ash was one band you were actually allowed to like irrespective whether you otherwise favored Status Quo or Jethro Tull, but they were an exception. And if you were extremely cool, you would say all of the above are crap and only listen to Frank Zappa. Plus a little McLaughlin and Cobham to the side.

I'd say that together with Genesis (Peter Gabriel and first two Phil Collins lead voiced albums) and Pink Floyd ("Echoes", Dark Side and Wish you were here), Jethro Tull ruled the canon of prog bands popular in Germany in the seventies. Households without either Aqualung or Thick as a Brick as an LP were few and far between.  Tull filled huge halls in the seventies in Germany. I can't remember a school or youth disco where Locomotive Breath (one of the few danceable tunes of JT) wasn't played, that piano intro would always create sheer bliss on the dance floor back then.  And Ian Anderson was widely regarded as one of the most charismatic frontmen, his lyrics fervently studied by all those proud of their Englisch language capabilities. New albums coming out by JT up to Too old too rock'n'roll (which caused some bewilderment among the devoted for sounding overtly poppy and commercial) were regarded as the gospel, hell, people even said they liked Passion Play  :mrgreen: (which tended to be the third-most popular JT album after the other two mentioned above).


LOL!  Truer words were never spoken!  However, you forgot 2 key points:

12.  Girls never really liked TRUE prog (Yes skates by that one for some reason.  I think it's the vocals)

There were SIX  prog greats.  The top of the list belongs to King Crimson.
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Post by: Denis on December 13, 2010, 06:15:49 AM
Quote from: gweimer on December 13, 2010, 05:53:35 AM
LOL!  Truer words were never spoken!  However, you forgot 2 key points:
12.  Girls never really liked TRUE prog (Yes skates by that one for some reason.  I think it's the vocals)
There were SIX  prog greats.  The top of the list belongs to King Crimson.

Don't forget Can!
Back in the late 1990s Rhino came out with a 5 cd box set called "Supernatural Fairy Tales". It's out of print now but I managed to find one. It has lots of great prog rock stuff, but NO Tull! Hah!
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Post by: uwe on December 13, 2010, 07:11:26 AM
King Crimson were the mother of all prog, but never scaled the commercial heights of the other five. Their influence is huge though and King Crimson's list of members is a who's who of prog (Greg Lake, John Wetton, Bill Bruford, Ian McDomald etc).

Can are just a bunch of nerdy krauts!  :mrgreen: More ambience than prog, but no doubt influential.


Yes, and Gary stated that most obvious characteristic of prog, chicks don't like it. The exception from my experience though is not YES (let's face it, they only ever like the Trevor Rabin-led eighties version of YES), but Pink Floyd, Floyd being an odd prog band in so far as they always put feel and mood over technical prowess (and Gilmour's and Wright's blues roots gave the music much warmth). Floyd's music is neither very complicated nor do they show that very macho instrumentalism that ELP excelled at (probably the most all-out-male band ever, three guys playing together as if they were race car drivers competing with each other, except when Greg Lake sang Lucky Man or I believe in Father Christmas!). As such Waters', Gilmour's & Co.'s music probably transcends the prog box.

Uwe

PS: Ian Anderson is on record that he thinks "prog" is a horrible term and that he never saw himself in the same category as ELP, "but can understand in hindsight why we were lumped together with them". Not without adding mischieviously: "But even our early records had less timing mistakes."
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Post by: gweimer on December 13, 2010, 07:12:33 AM
Quote from: Denis on December 13, 2010, 06:15:49 AM
Don't forget Can!
Back in the late 1990s Rhino came out with a 5 cd box set called "Supernatural Fairy Tales". It's out of print now but I managed to find one. It has lots of great prog rock stuff, but NO Tull! Hah!

My son, believe it or not, has been trying to convince me of how great Can was.  I've got a live CD he gave me, but I simply cannot connect to it in any manner.  Truly awful, in my book.
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Post by: uwe on December 13, 2010, 07:22:31 AM
I can take Can in small doses. They are probably too German for my taste and that "hypnotic soundtrack landscapes" thing was never really my taste. When the Scorpions arrived on the scene I loved them for their sheer brainlessness and uadulterated commitment to rock and entertain. They were a breath (Klaus Meine: "breass") of fresh air after all those angsty and cerebral "Tangerine-Neu-Embryo-Can-Amon-Eloys" we had had. Of course, and I can understand that today, that "cerebral angst"-coomponent was exactly what made krautrock so app(e)al(l)ing (read: different and original) to foreign markets.
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Post by: Denis on December 13, 2010, 07:26:32 AM
Quote from: gweimer on December 13, 2010, 07:12:33 AM
My son, believe it or not, has been trying to convince me of how great Can was.  I've got a live CD he gave me, but I simply cannot connect to it in any manner.  Truly awful, in my book.

Is the cd one on which Damo Suzuki is singing? Of all the Can stuff I've heard, the songs on which he sings are my least favorites because his voice is ANNOYING!!!

I guess Uwe is close to home that they were more ambience than prog and agree more than I would have thought wtith Anderson's comment that "prog" is a horrible term. Pink Floyd may be considered prog but I never considered them prog at all because they were so different than any other band.
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Post by: PhilT on December 13, 2010, 07:58:19 AM
There was a great drive at the end of the 60s to label everything, mostly by music journalists, as it saved them the trouble of sobering up and thinking about what they were writing. Yes, King Crimson and ELP were always prog. Once the mad people  :o left Genesis and Pink Floyd you could argue whether they still were. Tull never were, the element of self-mockery disqualifies them entirely. They just got stuck with the label and if the sozzled hack had landed on folk rock instead, which is closer to the truth, but still not right, there might never have been Thick as a Brick.

We used to play Locomotive Breath, but our then keyboard player, being a Jon Lord fan, insisted on turning the intro into his own personal classical overture, so by the time we got to the song the audience had lost the will to live.
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Post by: eb2 on December 13, 2010, 08:26:13 AM
Quotea roundabout way.

HA!!!!
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Post by: uwe on December 13, 2010, 08:28:19 AM
Look at Jim blowing the fanfare for the common man.
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Post by: Pilgrim on December 13, 2010, 08:31:09 AM
I'm not going to argue with any label you want to put on ELP - I know they did some very innovative stuff that was still easy to connect with; in the process, they completely kicked ass.  IMO some of the best music of its era.  If you can take the Great Gate of Kiev and make it rock, you're doing something special.
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Post by: Stjofön Big on December 13, 2010, 08:33:32 AM
"We used to play Locomotive Breath, but our then keyboard player, being a Jon Lord fan, insisted on turning the intro into his own personal classical overture, so by the time we got to the song the audience had lost the will to live." Ho-ho! Isn't that the typical keyboard player!
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Post by: uwe on December 13, 2010, 08:33:39 AM
"but our then keyboard player, being a Jon Lord fan".

Wash him and bring him to my tent!!! I have been looking for him for more than three decades. I've never ever met a keyboard player who could play (or would want to play) like Jon Lord. Some people can play a classical melody, but not with the panache of the good Lord. He's not the Ritchie Blackmore of Hammond organ, he's the Keith Richards of it. He can make a band swing like hell. Blackmore has been looking for someone like Lord for decades too - he never found him.

Speaking of keyboard players: I saw Elton John solo (no band except Ray Cooper on percussion) last week and was amazed by how good a pianist he is, forceful, almost brutal, not at all simplistic and quite bluesy and very improvisational as well as rhythmically complex and precise. Jon Lord always rated Reg Dwight's piano playing highly (along with Leon Russel's and Tony Ashton's) and I thought he was just trying to be nice. Now I know why. Stubby little fingers can be artisitc too!
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Post by: gweimer on December 13, 2010, 08:55:07 AM
Isn't that Elton on the keys for Long John Baldry's "Don't Try To Lay No Boogie-Woogie..."?  After all, Reg adopted the "John" in his name for LJB.  Elton and Rod also produced that album for the old man, as I recall.  I've always liked Elton's playing.  It only took one listen to 11-17-70 to convince me.  Nobody expected a trio with no guitar, and only a piano, to kick that kind of booty.  Murray/Olssen were always a better rhythm section than Lake/Palmer in my book.  And I did chuckle at Uwe's description of ELP, but some of the early songs, like "Knife Edge" were great songs.
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Post by: uwe on December 13, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
 "Murray/Olssen were always a better rhythm section than Lake/Palmer in my book."


True. The occassional fast run aside, Greg Lake is very much a meat and potatoes player or should I say meat and progtatoes player? (Dee) Murray had a much better harmonic and melodic grasp of music. Lake has admitted that bass playing was for him always a matter of necessity as opposed to a labor of love, he confines - I meant to use exactly that word too! - himself to guitar playing these days. To be fair: between Palmer's commanding drumming and Emerson's onslaughtish keyboard and especially synth playing, there wasn't much Lake could do except turn up the treble and bass on his amp.

I have nothing against ELP - I like UK which to all intents and purposes were an ELP rehash and I even liked ELPowell and Three -, it's not like instrumental prowess doesn't sometimes appeal to me. And Palmer's drumming always brings a smile to my face. He doesn't swing much and he's not the most organic and earthy sticksman on earth, but he has humor in his playing and penchant for little intricacies/embellishment that sound playful and entertaining. I really like what he does in Asia where Wetton too gives him a lot of space.  
Title: Re: Jethro Tull - Thunderbird content!
Post by: Stjofön Big on December 13, 2010, 10:30:42 AM
"Murray/Olssen were always a better rhythm section than Lake/Palmer in my book". Thank you Gweimer! Finally someone with a trace of taste! But on the other hand, you Uwe has provided me with a reason to a new listen to ELP (your opinion about Carl Palmer), something that I, as late as yesterday, never ever had a thought to do.
Great place, this!
Title: Re: Jethro Tull - Thunderbird content!
Post by: Denis on December 13, 2010, 10:38:53 AM
Since I never warmed up to Elton John's music, I'll stick with Lake/Palmer!
Recently I read that Lake only played bass in King Crimson because they already had guitar players. That said, I think some of his basslines, in "Tank", for instance, are still some of the most terrific in rock.

Quote from: uwe on December 13, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
And Palmer's drumming always brings a smile to my face. He doesn't swing much and he's not the most organic and earthy sticksman on earth, but he has humor in his playing and penchant for little intricacies/embellishment that sound playful and entertaining. I really like what he does in Asia where Wetton too gives him a lot of space. 

Agreed! It was obvious when I saw Asia a couple of months ago that Palmer a) enjoys the hell out of drumming and b) he's very much loved by those who went to see the show. Watching him was just plain FUN!
Title: Re: Jethro Tull - Thunderbird content!
Post by: patman on December 13, 2010, 10:48:31 AM
11-17-70 Kicked ass...

I lost interest after "Yellow Brick Rd"
Title: Re: Jethro Tull - Thunderbird content!
Post by: uwe on December 13, 2010, 11:52:10 AM
I'm a Honky Chateau guy myself. And the last three albums he did make you forget Nikita. Plus the new one with Leon Russell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvXK1-b3YXY&feature=related (Spot the Canadian in there!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhtUUWOgAPI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMncry64Xl8&feature=related
Title: Re: Jethro Tull - Thunderbird content!
Post by: eb2 on December 13, 2010, 02:18:21 PM
QuoteMurray/Olssen were always a better rhythm section than Lake/Palmer in my book

Amen!

I'm a Tumbleweed Connection guy myself.  Hell, I even play Friends.
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Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on December 13, 2010, 08:08:33 PM
Quote from: Hörnisse on December 10, 2010, 06:41:12 AM
And who could forget this classic bass intro?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8

YEAH! A real gem
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Post by: Basshappi on December 14, 2010, 10:48:38 AM
Good points all, but I will proudly fly both my Prog and Fusion flags on high. I love the adventerousness, the complexity, I love how it is music for music's sake, music that one has to actually listen to and requires skill to write and play. Certainly there are more misses than hits, but that is true of every musical genre.

Sure, I enjoy simple, straight-forward, beer drinkin', head shakin' rock n' roll, I've played and continue to play my fair share of it. There is more than enough mainstream pop music pablum that "the girls will like and dance to" to last several lifetimes. Prog will never be a threat to that deluge.

But both Rock and Jazz can, and should, reach higher than that now and then.

Cheers!
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Post by: vates on December 14, 2010, 12:00:35 PM
Amen!
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Post by: Aussie Mark on December 15, 2010, 03:09:04 PM
Quote from: Denis on December 13, 2010, 10:38:53 AM
Since I never warmed up to Elton John's music

You should get a copy of the Classic Albums DVD that covers Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.  It's not about Elton, it's about that awesome band of his.  I think that's the best one of the Classic Albums series.
Title: Re: Jethro Tull - Thunderbird content!
Post by: gweimer on December 15, 2010, 05:35:19 PM
I figured I might as well throw this up.  I do like ELP, but I still prefer Murray/Olssen as the rhythm section.  I saw ELP twice, and loved them both times.  First time was their first tour, and Yes opened the show.   Maybe it's me, but I always think Lake sounds slightly flat when he sings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro0FrMnCeIg


Back when ELP were actually still young, cute, underground and unbombastic. With Luke Skywalker as their singer. Very fetching what Keith wears in that vid, glitzy, but no cape!

Uwe
Title: Re: Jethro Tull - Thunderbird content!
Post by: Highlander on December 16, 2010, 11:50:32 AM
Quote from: Aussie Mark on December 15, 2010, 03:09:04 PM
... I think that's the best one of the Classic Albums series.

I'm quite partial to the Ace Of Spades one... ;)
Title: Re: Jethro Tull - Thunderbird content!
Post by: Denis on December 16, 2010, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: Aussie Mark on December 15, 2010, 03:09:04 PM
You should get a copy of the Classic Albums DVD that covers Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.  It's not about Elton, it's about that awesome band of his.  I think that's the best one of the Classic Albums series.

That's a good idea and something I'd be interested in. Thanks for pointing that out!
Title: Re: Jethro Tull - Thunderbird content!
Post by: Rhythm N. Bliss on December 18, 2010, 05:44:26 PM
Quote from: Denis on December 10, 2010, 07:09:21 AM
Or this one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBgVgXpVJXU&feature=related

And here is a different vid of Bouree for yas:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWJgJkVL0xM&NR=1
Title: Re: Jethro Tull - Thunderbird content!
Post by: Dave W on December 18, 2010, 07:40:27 PM
Bourree is from Bach's Suite No. 1 for Lute in E Minor. That's lute, not flute.

Here it is in the proper key, played on a lute family instrument.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKSg8t4zyLg

Title: Re: Jethro Tull - Thunderbird content!
Post by: uwe on December 21, 2010, 12:12:03 PM
Good chording technique.

Who said Johnny Ramone had explored all possibilities in full?
Title: Re: Jethro Tull - Thunderbird content!
Post by: Dave W on December 21, 2010, 05:04:14 PM
Leo Kottke, from Mudlark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAAyJsmutVU

Kottke has said that Bach had 20 children because his organ didn't have any stops.