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Title: NAMM news
Post by: Chris P. on January 18, 2013, 05:51:36 AM
I'm gathering all the NAMM news for our website. I made some articles about all, but in Dutch. Here's all the news I know. I guess you can find the websites yourself for more info?

Aguilar Hot Series P and J pickups
Ampeg PF-800 Portaflex tranny-head 800W
Ampeg B-15N - Again an all tube, limited edition Fliptop.
Aria Cliff Burton Signature
Ashdown 100W tube amp
Ashdown Wojtek Pilisomething sig amp (light weight)
Ashdown Little Bastard 15. 15W tube amp for recordings!
Ashdown Dr. Green effects. Cool looking cheaper effects
EBS Billy Sheehan Drive
Fano has a nice new classic looking bass
Fender Pawn Shop Bass VI
Fender Pawn Shop Mustang Bass
Fender American Vintage Series (love the LPB Jazz with matching headstock)
Fender Custom Shop '51 Relic and P with two '51 pickups and Tele headstock
Fender Select active J
Gibson LP Standard
GK series of small heads and powered (!) cabs
Höfner Gold Label. Basses in this series will follow. Bit custom shop-ish
Jackson Concerto Bass
Jackson Ellefson Kellybird Pro
Lakland shortscale hollowbody. New design.
Laklands with spalted tops
Markbass MultiAmp
Mike Lull JT4/5 and Nonrev Bird
MXR Bass Chorus Deluxe
MXR Bass Drive M86
NS Design NXT Omni
Pigtronix Bass effects
PRS Core Basses
Sadowsky onboard preamp
Schecter Nikki Sixx
Schecter Johnny Christ (Avenged Sevenfold)
Spector NS5 USA
Spector Coda Pro (Korean Codas)
Status Chris Wolstenholme Signature (Muse)
T-Rex Sweeper 2 Bass Chorus
Traynor Small Block bass combos
Vintage violin bass with pick ups close
Warwick 8x10 and 2x10
Warwick LWA1000 light weight 1000W
Warwick Rockbass Star Bass and Triumph Lite (EUB)
Warwick Streamer CV. Streamer with pickguard, less frets than normal, vintage colours, passive, JJ.
Warwick Rockbass 32" 5-string Corvette
Warwick W-bass. W-shape body. Cheap and made a bit as a joke for promo.

I'm sure more will follow. Anybody got more?


Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: Dave W on January 18, 2013, 09:02:35 AM
Thanks, Chris. Not much really new and exciting, is there?
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: jumbodbassman on January 19, 2013, 10:57:50 AM
for ampeg fans i thought there was a strong rumor about a V4  and a poor mans b15
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: Aussie Mark on January 20, 2013, 03:50:46 PM
Ernie Ball have the Sabre reissue
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: TBird1958 on January 22, 2013, 10:46:08 PM


 Mike Lull and his Non Reverse Thunderbirds, 4 and 5 string  ;D


(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/lullNR4.jpg)

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/LullNR5r.jpg)
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: Chris P. on January 23, 2013, 02:17:20 AM
Cool!
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: Denis on January 23, 2013, 06:18:34 AM
Looks nice though I think the pg could use some fine tuning.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: 4stringer77 on January 23, 2013, 08:20:32 AM
Well looky here, new Starfire.

http://www.lamusic.ca/Guild-Starfire-Electric-Bass-Cherry-Red-with-Cas-p/3792400866.htm
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: Dave W on January 23, 2013, 08:31:56 AM
Well looky here, new Starfire.

http://www.lamusic.ca/Guild-Starfire-Electric-Bass-Cherry-Red-with-Cas-p/3792400866.htm

There's a thread on the Starfire here: http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=7682.0
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: saltymonkey on January 23, 2013, 01:25:25 PM
Looks nice though I think the pg could use some fine tuning.

That's the first thing i thought when I saw those pics. There's something a little off with how the guard sits in relation to the horns.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: drbassman on January 24, 2013, 07:01:09 AM
That's the first thing i thought when I saw those pics. There's something a little off with how the guard sits in relation to the horns.

The guard is totally wrong in relationship to the body.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: nofi on January 24, 2013, 07:20:25 AM
someone had to do something to a tb to shake up the design a bit. it looks fine and i'm sure it will sell.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: dadagoboi on January 24, 2013, 07:24:07 AM
The guard is totally wrong in relationship to the body.

He should have consulted Scott on the p/g, it looks like it was modeled after a BaCH.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/NR%202012/P1050568.jpg)
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: the mojo hobo on January 24, 2013, 08:44:40 AM
That's the first thing i thought when I saw those pics. There's something a little off with how the guard sits in relation to the horns.

The pickguard on the Lull looks off because the neck is sunk into the body more than on other NR birds. The bridge is also closer to the edge of the body.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: dadagoboi on January 24, 2013, 08:54:41 AM
The pickguard on the Lull looks off because the neck is sunk into the body more than on other NR birds. The bridge is also closer to the edge of the body.

That may be true but it doesn't justify not taking the time to get the proportions more visually pleasing on the p/g.  If necessary you hire a professional to do it, it's not that expensive.  IMO there's no excuse for bad design on a bass costing over $3k.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: saltymonkey on January 24, 2013, 10:10:45 AM
That may be true but it doesn't justify not taking the time to get the proportions more visually pleasing on the p/g.  If necessary you hire a professional to do it, it's not that expensive.  IMO there's no excuse for bad design on a bass costing over $3k.

Agreed. I'm sure it plays and sounds great but that visual inaccuracy ruins it for me.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: the mojo hobo on January 24, 2013, 03:48:28 PM
That may be true but it doesn't justify not taking the time to get the proportions more visually pleasing on the p/g.  If necessary you hire a professional to do it, it's not that expensive.  IMO there's no excuse for bad design on a bass costing over $3k.

I didn't say I liked it, or that it was an excuse. It is a lack of attention to detail. IMO, The center line of the upper part of the pickguard should bisect the apex of the curve of the body. The Cataldo basses have it right.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: Chris P. on January 25, 2013, 03:46:41 AM
I updated my list on page 1.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: dadagoboi on January 25, 2013, 05:58:09 AM
I didn't say I liked it, or that it was an excuse. It is a lack of attention to detail. IMO, The center line of the upper part of the pickguard should bisect the apex of the curve of the body.

Sorry for my inference.  Thanks for clearing it up.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: drbassman on January 28, 2013, 11:04:33 AM
There's no excuse for a new bass that runs $3000.   ;D  Seriously, how valuable is someone's labor?  I'd love to know the sales figures on down the road for this new NR entry.  I can't imagine it will be significant.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: the mojo hobo on January 29, 2013, 04:50:56 AM
Especially after Bach and Gibson have already filled the demands of those of us who have been waiting for the NR to be renewed.

I'm sure Lull has his following but I doubt he will sell even a handfull of them.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: dadagoboi on January 29, 2013, 05:45:35 AM
Especially after Bach and Gibson have already filled the demands of those of us who have been waiting for the NR to be renewed.

I'm sure Lull has his following but I doubt he will sell even a handfull of them.

Absolutely doesn't matter, it's all gravy.  Any publicity generated by his NR is good advertising for all his other models.  Judging by the results just about zero in time and money were expended in R&D.

All Lull has to do is order the unique parts (the body and P/G).  The bodies most likely get ordered a few at a time and go directly to the painter in Van Nuys.  The other components are the same as the rest of the T series stuff.  He then does all the assembly and setup himself.

To NOT do an NR would be a bad business move on Lull's part IMO.  I've done around eighty trade shows.  One of the first things existing customers (dealers) ask is, "What's new?"  At the least it's an icebreaker before they restock what they're already buying.  If you are an established business and don't have something new to intro you're wasting a lot of advertising budget.  You get to put stuff in front of a few knowledgeable people and get their reaction to it.  It's possible someone at NAMM that ML trusts remarked that the pick guard seemed off and he'll do something about it.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: Aussie Mark on January 29, 2013, 02:47:59 PM
I updated my list on page 1.

Apart from the EBMM Sabre reissue I already mentioned on page 1 .....

(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z265/biffalo/IMG_1870_zpsc58ba366.jpg)
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: Dave W on January 29, 2013, 06:19:01 PM
Nice color on that Sabre.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: gweimer on January 29, 2013, 06:29:22 PM
Absolutely doesn't matter, it's all gravy.  Any publicity generated by his NR is good advertising for all his other models.  Judging by the results just about zero in time and money were expended in R&D.

All Lull has to do is order the unique parts (the body and P/G).  The bodies most likely get ordered a few at a time and go directly to the painter in Van Nuys.  The other components are the same as the rest of the T series stuff.  He then does all the assembly and setup himself.

To NOT do an NR would be a bad business move on Lull's part IMO.  I've done around eighty trade shows.  One of the first things existing customers (dealers) ask is, "What's new?"  At the least it's an icebreaker before they restock what they're already buying.  If you are an established business and don't have something new to intro you're wasting a lot of advertising budget.  You get to put stuff in front of a few knowledgeable people and get their reaction to it.  It's possible someone at NAMM that ML trusts remarked that the pick guard seemed off and he'll do something about it.

I'm not in the business, but I have to agree.  The first time I took my white B&CH to a blues jam, somebody walked all the way through the bar to look at my bass.  It caught his eye right away.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: gearHed289 on January 30, 2013, 09:44:03 AM
Since they've been offering additional pups on the StingRay for a while now, what's the difference between that and a Sabre? Pickguard shape?
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: Dave W on January 30, 2013, 09:48:04 AM
Since they've been offering additional pups on the StingRay for a while now, what's the difference between that and a Sabre? Pickguard shape?

Pickups and circuit are somewhat different. And Tony Levin's signature on a certificate.

http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2012/11/30/ernie-ball-music-man-unveils-sledge-basses-including-sabre-reissue/
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: chromium on January 30, 2013, 11:54:08 AM
Love that Sabre in the pic above!  Always wanted something in maui blue, assuming that's what it is.  Might have to try one of those out..

My old Stingray mutt has a fretless '80 Sabre neck on it.  Beautiful neck, slender 1.5", and I'd probably actually play it if it had a maple board and frets!  

I used to play fretless almost all the time, and that was my main bass for years.  Funny how tastes change.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: Chris P. on January 31, 2013, 03:24:41 AM
A friend of mine sells two Sabres. A fretted and a fretless...
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: uwe on February 01, 2013, 10:37:54 AM
Didn't they have that phase cancellation issue like hell when they came out originally and didn't that kill them commercially?

Not that it ever hurt the Jazz Bass!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: Pilgrim on February 03, 2013, 01:10:49 PM
Didn't they have that phase cancellation issue like hell when they came out originally and didn't that kill them commercially?

Not that it ever hurt the Jazz Bass!  :mrgreen:

Turn one pickup down 10% and there is no problem.  Works for me, as I want the bridge pickup lower anyway.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on February 04, 2013, 12:55:28 AM
I never noticed any phase problems with any of the vintage Sabres I've played, certainly nothing approaching Jazz-like cancellation. I think they just came out at the wrong time and sounded too much like the Stingray...and a Precision. Most 70's bassists already had a Precision, so they just bought Stingrays if they needed that sound. G&L was the nail in the coffin of the Sabre after that.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: gearHed289 on February 04, 2013, 09:24:37 AM
I like phase cancellation. That's why all my basses have 2 pickups. Plus there's always the option of rolling one off a bit.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: uwe on February 04, 2013, 11:42:01 AM
I'm fine with phase cancellation too. I read in a comparatively recent Sabre review (where Sabres were revered as cult objects) that with both pups full throttle you got that incredibly deep, but heavily scooped sound no one knew what to with at the time, but which a lot of heavy metal players would die for today.
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: jumbodbassman on February 04, 2013, 06:20:46 PM
Turn one pickup down 10% and there is no problem.  Works for me, as I want the bridge pickup lower anyway.

early ones had toggle and one volume.  that being said i never really noticed the cancellation.  pretty much all 2 pickup basses have some degree of it and it is kind of normal for me.   
Title: Re: NAMM news
Post by: Dave W on February 04, 2013, 09:33:50 PM
....  pretty much all 2 pickup basses have some degree of it and it is kind of normal for me.   

Yes, they all do. Some are more noticeable than others, depending on the frequency response of the pickups and how far apart they are. It happens with some of the wavelengths that are shorter than the distance between the pickups.