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Title: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on September 25, 2014, 09:43:01 AM

 A buddy from the T Bird Club on TB has posted a shot of the 2015 'Bird.
It has the new Babciz bridge and the pickups from the EB Bass, as soon as Photobucket decides to work for me I'll post a shot here, mentime vist the thread

http://www.talkbass.com/threads/thunderbird-club.1056205/page-141#post-16420976
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on September 25, 2014, 10:06:01 AM
Look like normal TB+ pickups to me. The EB bass has polepieces
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: 4stringer77 on September 25, 2014, 10:10:51 AM
This
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41WMc2NtseL.jpg
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Basvarken on September 25, 2014, 10:44:19 AM
Ah I see.

Great pickups by the way. They sound great on the EB. And you can switch to single coil mode with a push/pull knob.
Love the Babicz bridge as well.

Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: ilan on September 25, 2014, 12:41:41 PM
Just MHO but this just doesn't look right. Why is it so hard for Gibson to hide whatever pickups they prefer now under correct-looking chrome covers, like they did in the SG bass? Imagine Rickenbacker switching to MM style pickups and BT parts exclusively on the 4003... it will not go down very well, I think.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on September 25, 2014, 09:02:56 PM
That $2599 is the street price (what used to be called MAP), Gibson doesn't do list prices any more. $1000 increase in two years? That will probably affect sales a lot.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: westen44 on September 25, 2014, 10:33:31 PM
Someone "explained" to me not too long ago that Gibson had done their research.  They had found that when they raise prices, their sales go up.  I don't know whether he was right or not and I'm not sure how much I care since I personally couldn't stand him.  Also, no matter how much I may like a company, if they're going up a thousand dollars in just two years, I'm probably going to be less likely to buy. 
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Chris P. on September 26, 2014, 03:04:03 AM
I think I like it and i surely like the two mini toggle switches.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Bionic-Joe on September 26, 2014, 03:28:55 AM
That is NOT a Thunderbird. A Holes.. they NEVER get it right. They suck.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: gearHed289 on September 26, 2014, 07:31:14 AM
The hardware is still black...  :vader:
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: godofthunder on September 26, 2014, 07:34:24 AM
Ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: 66Atlas on September 26, 2014, 07:46:53 AM
ugh...well, I may be the only person on the planet that would "upgrade" back to the 3-point  :o

Maybe they'll offer some better colors at least this year.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on September 26, 2014, 09:02:54 AM
Uwe will still want one... ;)
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on September 26, 2014, 10:12:29 AM
Uwe will still want one... ;)

 He's somewhere on the U.S.West (Best) Coast, inspecting wine country IIRC. I expect to hear from him sometime soon. After a Summer of glorious weather it has pissed down rain everyday since the onset of Fall last week  ;)
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: planetgaffnet on September 27, 2014, 02:31:30 AM
If I can chip in here, while it doesn't look too bad, the Babicz bridge has to be an improvement (I may retro-retro fit one over a Supertone at some stage). 

Price aside, I'm somewhat disappointed that they're only showing vintage sunburst finishes while every six string they make seems to offer a myriad of top wood and colour combinations.  F*nd*r have got that right by a country mile.

Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on September 27, 2014, 06:31:40 PM

Price aside, I'm somewhat disappointed that they're only showing vintage sunburst finishes while every six string they make seems to offer a myriad of top wood and colour combinations.  F*nd*r have got that right by a country mile.


They aren't showing all the colors of the guitar models in that 2015 lineup either, just all the model variations. So don't give up hope, with the increased price maybe they'll offer more colors.

OTOH how many of any color will they sell at $2600? Those price increases may work on the guitar line, I don't think it will go over well with bassists.

Looks like the only under-$1000 guitar left is a singlecut Junior.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: planetgaffnet on September 28, 2014, 02:05:10 AM
I'd just like to see more variety on the colour front...I've got a VS, a couple of blacks and a white/ivory.  I'd love to track down one of the blue ones they did for the Japanese market.  It would be nice to just see the option.
P
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on September 29, 2014, 08:34:29 PM
I found a site that lists codes for all 2015 Gibsons. There's a separate code for each color of each model. Unfortunately it appears that VS is the only color offered on the Thunderbird.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: mc2NY on September 30, 2014, 12:46:23 AM


Only Gibson would be able to make an import TBird look better than an actual Gibson.

It often seems that Gibson's R&D Department is just Henry blindfolded, throwing darts at a board that lists various hardware and design features from competitors, along with Gibson ones. After he tosses a dozen darts, Gibson's next year of  models is announced.

Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on September 30, 2014, 10:21:02 AM

Only Gibson would be able to make an import TBird look better than an actual Gibson.

It often seems that Gibson's R&D Department is just Henry blindfolded, throwing darts at a board that lists various hardware and design features from competitors, along with Gibson ones. After he tosses a dozen darts, Gibson's next year of  models is announced.


 I think you're giving Henry too much credit Jon  ;D


There's no way he's that organized. 
 

Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on October 01, 2014, 10:10:28 PM
Everybody calm down or I will have 10 of you shot - randomly picked - to reinstate ORDNUNG. And you know how I am closer to you guys now than ever ...

It does what it says on the tin: This is the 2015 Thunderbird, not the 2015 reissue of the 63 model. Get over it. And it is sunburst because 8 out of 10 people that buy their first Thunderbird want a sunburst one, just like most Firebird players prefer sunburst too. This new TBird has ingredients that will probably make it sound brighter and a bit more modern than its predecessors, there is a market for that.

Of course I will get one. And gladly so though I dread the fading effect of those magnets if you bend a note - they are the pups pioneered in the G 3 Tribute and the EB bass.

What else is new? I'm in the boondocks of North California. In an Indian reservation village called Klamath (get your maps), maybe 30 miles from Crescent City. We landed in LAX on Saturday, September 20. Since then we have seen Santa Barbara, Monterrey, San Francisco, Yosemite, Mono Lake (Edith is a Pink Floyd nut, she had to see it in real after the Wish You Were Here cover), Lake Tahoe (no David Coverdale, but a bear - a live and wild one - at the lodge's reception in the rainy night), Sacramento, Sausalito, Napa Valley, Carlistoga, Little River just south of Mendocino, Highway 101 or No 1, redwoods galore and now here in the slightly moldy reeking suite at the Ravenwood Motel with a gas station doubling as a one armed bandit casino doubling as a liquor store doubling as a deli close by that is a microcosm of what went wrong in US Native American policies and programs in the last generations. And why dental healthcare is seemingly not high on Native American agendas. Oh, I forgot the two elk males we saw grazing on a meadow and unperturbed by the proximity of our (horrible ghetto pimp style) black Mercedes E350 (Hertz probably tried to be nice to us when they gave their kraut customers a Mercedes of all cars - I would have preferred a Mustang or Jeep and they thought I was joking!).

 It's been quite a trip so far. And, liebe Amerikaner, your good country is a jewel of sights and nature wonders, we're quite overwhelmed and dazzled by it all.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on October 01, 2014, 11:59:33 PM

 See ya soon!

I'll take this moment to apologize for my Countryman's shitty driving  :-[
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: copacetic on October 02, 2014, 04:53:20 AM
I'll take this moment to apologize for the endless traffic jams that seems to be the trend in my fair 'green' city of San Francisco.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: gearHed289 on October 02, 2014, 07:46:13 AM
Sounds like a good time Uwe. Yosemite is beautiful. And yeah, you should have gotten a Mustang!
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Pilgrim on October 02, 2014, 08:21:02 AM
We want regular Uwe updates!!!!
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: lowend1 on October 02, 2014, 08:24:30 AM
Everybody calm down or I will have 10 of you shot - randomly picked - to reinstate ORDNUNG.

>insert inappropriate comment of your choice here<
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Pilgrim on October 02, 2014, 10:06:07 AM
>insert inappropriate comment of your choice here<

Ich habe eine ordanung...

"Dog and a beer."  (James Earl Jones, Field of Dreams)
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: nofi on October 02, 2014, 10:12:06 AM
i'll probably be in frankfurt mid feb. of next year. i know where you live.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on October 02, 2014, 10:29:39 AM


 As much as I can, I'll try to get some pics  ;)
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on October 02, 2014, 10:41:21 AM
With Uwe threatening 10% of the USofA population i feel thoroughly secure up here in extreme north-west Wales, with the RAF on standby for any sudden threat of invasion from, er... the Isle of Man...? How :mrgreen: is my Valley, bach... (no, not the bass)
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Pilgrim on October 02, 2014, 12:40:06 PM
Too bad Uwe can't drop in on us in Northern Colorado and threaten some good craft brews.   :sad:
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on October 02, 2014, 03:02:08 PM
Nofi, if you are in Krautland, let me know and we'll have dinner or lunch together plus a short guided tour of Ze Kölleckshün before abduct you into our dungeons for full DP immersion ... You will be a changed man forever.

A public message in defense of US automobilists: They must be the most courteous, patient and relaxed drivers in the world. Absolutely pleasant and no comparison to the dog eat dog attitude prevalent on German streets.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on October 02, 2014, 06:26:18 PM
You'll have nice weather, 70 and mostly sunny for your time in Seattle
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: lowend1 on October 14, 2014, 01:30:27 PM
Eight basses, one color. :rolleyes:
http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Eight-Different-Bass-Sounds-from-the-Tbird-Bass.aspx?utm_source=iContact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Gibson%20Brands,%20Inc.&utm_content=Editorial+eBlast+-+October+14%2C+2014
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Blackbird on October 14, 2014, 06:48:14 PM
https://quizzicalllama.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/how_convenient.gif?w=640
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on October 14, 2014, 09:25:46 PM
Eight basses, one color. :rolleyes:
http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/Eight-Different-Bass-Sounds-from-the-Tbird-Bass.aspx?utm_source=iContact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Gibson%20Brands,%20Inc.&utm_content=Editorial+eBlast+-+October+14%2C+2014

Sounds like they're doing something that's already been done - a partial coil tap using a circuit that keeps some of the tapped coil frequencies from going to ground -- and renaming it "tuned coil tapping" as if it's a new discovery.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: neepheid on October 15, 2014, 02:46:12 AM
Sounds like they're doing something that's already been done - a partial coil tap using a circuit that keeps some of the tapped coil frequencies from going to ground -- and renaming it "tuned coil tapping" as if it's a new discovery.

They've been doing it for 2 years with the EB for starters, haven't they?
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: lowend1 on October 15, 2014, 04:11:15 AM
Who the hell buys a Thunderbird because it can sound like something other than a Thunderbird? :o
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on October 15, 2014, 06:11:58 AM
They've been doing it for 2 years with the EB for starters, haven't they?

And even before that: The SG-Z worked pretty much the same way and that was in the late nineties.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Pilgrim on October 15, 2014, 08:32:47 AM
Who the hell buys a Thunderbird because it can sound like something other than a Thunderbird? :o

An incisive and pertinent question!
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on October 15, 2014, 09:53:59 AM
But hasn't a well-known Des Moines-based TBird collector of fine repute always preached to us that a variety of approaches, even those that do not dare speak their name immediately, is the spice of life? And there really isn't a typical TBird sound, some people create a piano ring tone with it, others are much warmer and darker.

I'm actually quite interested how that new TB is gonna sound (judging from how those pups sound on the EB basses and the G-3 Tribute, I don't think that a TBird sound will no longer be recognizable). I'm thinking of (re-)enlisting the help of a certain Des Moineser to obtain a specimen and have it undergo his/her usual strict testing regime so (s)he can report his/her fondlings/findings here? We need einen Experten. Or eine Expertin.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on October 15, 2014, 10:36:46 AM

 Uwe,

 I'd be thrilled to give it a test drive, I don't know when it's due but can speak with our contact at Sweetwater whenever you want.
 From the traditionalist point of view I get everybody's comments (Hell, I'm one you!) but I can at least see that there may be a younger group of people that have no interest in "their father's Thunderbird"...... God, I never thought I would ever try to justify one Henry J's decisions, please help me!
Given Gibson's inability to consistently produce basses this may be a passing fad that lasts a year? maybe the make 400, who knows?

 As many have said , an accurate repro of either of the '60s 'Birds would likely be a bigger hit than Gibson realizes. 
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: mc2NY on October 15, 2014, 07:20:01 PM
This was just Gibson looking at why Musicman sells a shitload of basses.....so they jammed pickups into a TBird that looked the same.

It will be interesting to see if people buy it, without the upper fret access or balance of a Musicman....or the wide choice of colors MM offers.

....or the marketing or respect for the bass market that MM has.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on October 15, 2014, 08:39:05 PM
This was just Gibson looking at why Musicman sells a shitload of basses.....so they jammed pickups into a TBird that looked the same.

It will be interesting to see if people buy it, without the upper fret access or balance of a Musicman....or the wide choice of colors MM offers.

....or the marketing or respect for the bass market that MM has.

I have no idea whether or not Gibson was looking at MusicMan, but I did test drive Uwe's EB Bass here, and those pickups are nothing like MM pickups. They're wound to be passive, while MM pickups are deliberately underwound and deigned to be used with a powerful preamp. They don't sound anywhere near alike.

Of course you're right about Gibson having little or no respect for the bass market.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: neepheid on October 15, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
And even before that: The SG-Z worked pretty much the same way and that was in the late nineties.

To be fair, there's no "tuning" going on in the SG-Z's coil split, the only capacitor I can see is the one attached to the tone pot.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: patman on October 16, 2014, 06:25:17 AM
I've always wanted a T-Bird, since about 1977.

Guess I just have to let it go.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: lowend1 on October 16, 2014, 06:31:57 AM
But hasn't a well-known Des Moines-based TBird collector of fine repute always preached to us that a variety of approaches, even those that do not dare speak their name immediately, is the spice of life? And there really isn't a typical TBird sound, some people create a piano ring tone with it, others are much warmer and darker.

I'm actually quite interested how that new TB is gonna sound (judging from how those pups sound on the EB basses and the G-3 Tribute, I don't think that a TBird sound will no longer be recognizable). I'm thinking of (re-)enlisting the help of a certain Des Moineser to obtain a specimen and have it undergo his/her usual strict testing regime so (s)he can report his/her fondlings/findings here? We need einen Experten. Or eine Expertin.

Des Moines???
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on October 16, 2014, 08:06:22 AM
Des Moines???

Billy, I live in Des Moines, a small suburb south of Seattle, just up the hill a little from Puget Sound. It was first settled by people migrating west from Iowa.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: lowend1 on October 18, 2014, 11:23:28 AM
Somehow, you didn't seem like an Iowa kinda guy. ???
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Highlander on October 18, 2014, 02:40:37 PM
I was in Birmingham earlier in the week, and I aint talkin' 'bout Alabama...

I believe there's several London's over in the USofA too...

And as for standin' on a corner in Winslow er... Buckinghamshire...?

People got lonely and homesick and took what they knew with them everywhere...
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on October 18, 2014, 02:43:50 PM
Somehow, you didn't seem like an Iowa kinda guy. ???


 I'm only kinda normal on the outside  :o

I doubt I could stand doing more than just passing through Des Moines IA, I need mountains and water nearby to feel right.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on October 18, 2014, 08:13:32 PM

 I'm only kinda normal on the outside  :o

I doubt I could stand doing more than just passing through Des Moines IA, I need mountains and water nearby to feel right.

How about a freeway overpass and a stock pond?  ;)
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on October 21, 2014, 04:15:53 AM
Billy, I live in Des Moines, a small suburb south of Seattle, just up the hill a little from Puget Sound. It was first settled by people migrating west from Iowa.

Ah, I didn't know about the migration thing.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on October 21, 2014, 09:11:23 AM

 Too bad it was dark when you arrived Uwe, we could have spent a half hour in the back yard counting commercial aircraft as they pass overhead, simple I.D. plus tire manufacturer are both possible  ;)

 My little paradise!
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: the mojo hobo on October 21, 2014, 04:48:19 PM
Interesting note: the Babicz bridge on the new T-Bird is a three point mount and a direct replacement for earlier 3 point bridges. Not on sale yet, but...http://www.fullcontacthardware.com/fch-3-point-four-string-bass-bridge-gibson-style.htm (http://www.fullcontacthardware.com/fch-3-point-four-string-bass-bridge-gibson-style.htm)

And Sweetwater's description says:

"New chrome 3-point full-contact adjustable bridge and Grover Shamrock tuners for tuning stability".

Gibson claims it's "black chrome".
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on October 22, 2014, 08:35:44 AM
I was wondering about that from the pics of the new TB, but wasn't sure, this now reveals it. They obviously did not want to leave that part of the business to Hipshot alone (to whose product I see some similarities, but they are pobably due to the necessity of the three point mount).

Oh woe, Holy Immaculate Three Point, thy foes were many, however unjust their cause, but I (and Mark!) never wavered in our faith, we solemnly vow to uphold your memory in the wretched hardware darkness that has now befallen us ...
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on October 22, 2014, 11:12:28 AM
Oh woe, Holy Immaculate Three Point, thy foes were many, however unjust their cause, but I (and Mark!) never wavered in our faith, we solemnly vow to uphold your memory in the wretched hardware darkness that has now befallen us ...


  I LOVE MY 3 POINTS!  ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: FrankieTbird on October 22, 2014, 12:43:39 PM
Interesting note: the Babicz bridge on the new T-Bird is a three point mount and a direct replacement for earlier 3 point bridges. Not on sale yet, but...http://www.fullcontacthardware.com/fch-3-point-four-string-bass-bridge-gibson-style.htm (http://www.fullcontacthardware.com/fch-3-point-four-string-bass-bridge-gibson-style.htm)


I think that will be the best option for those that want to replace their "3-leg-O-Matic" bridges, but I'm sure it won't be cheap.  If I was redesigning that bridge, I would have moved the string anchor point further away from the saddles, but I guess they didn't see that as an issue.   :-\
     
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Blackbird on October 22, 2014, 02:38:09 PM
My 2002 bird's has the 3 point and it's just fine...she's setup pretty low and fast..
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on October 22, 2014, 03:02:43 PM

  I LOVE MY 3 POINTS!  ;D

Yes, all good things come with three holes.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on October 22, 2014, 04:41:21 PM


Oh,   "those 3 holes"   :o
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: 66Atlas on October 27, 2014, 05:05:33 PM
I got to play the new bird at Guitar Center Atlanta tonight.  The bridge looked better in person, I found it strange that  it has a small (maybe 1/8 inch) spacer underneath it. I guess this is how they accommodate different neck angles?

The finish was much improved IMO, maybe the extra money gets you more time on the buffing wheel.

Unfortunately since it was guitar center there was way too much noise to actually plug in and hear it but maybe I can stop by there tomorrow over lunch and get in the phone booth of a bass room....
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: Dave W on October 27, 2014, 06:01:54 PM
I got to play the new bird at Guitar Center Atlanta tonight.  The bridge looked better in person, I found it strange that  it has a small (maybe 1/8 inch) spacer underneath it. I guess this is how they accommodate different neck angles?
....

It's probably just an add-on because the T-bird requires a different height than their prototype. And if that's the case, they should use the right height to begin with since it's OEM on the new Bird.

The Babicz bridge for the Telecaster has been criticized over at the TDPRI because the baseplates aren't the right height (among other problems) even though it's supposed to be a drop in replacement, and the company has been slow to react. If I had a 3-point Gibson bridge I wanted to replace, I'd sure want to wait awhile and see if there are any problems.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on October 28, 2014, 01:02:31 PM
There will be one at Session Music Frankfurt in early December (at least that is what they have announced) which I will sooner or later have to pick up, don't think there will be too many other takers at a hefty price of almost twice what the 2014 TBird models now cost at Session Music.

I know I'm in the minority here, surrounded as I am by vintage obsessives ("Can Gibson please finally build a 1963 reissue TBird with exact replica radioactivity-contaminated maho and walnut as was de rigueur in the early sixties due to all the nuclear testing?") but the one thing they should have done for a 2015 facelift is copy Epiphone's Classic Pro concept of moving the upper wing slightly forward and the lower wing slightly back for better high register access. It doesn't make the Classic Pro look much different, but the accessibility effect is noticeable.

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/1352513906.jpg)

That is Mark's staircase by the way. It leads to his fetish model train cupboard.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: TBird1958 on October 28, 2014, 02:34:09 PM


 LOL!

 I didn't let you see that 'other" closet during your visit! It's up the stairs and to the left  ;D

I agree on the shape change too, if they are going to update the damn thing there's no sense to a half assed job - make it a full (Henry J) assed one!
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: OldManC on October 28, 2014, 04:35:17 PM


(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/1352513906.jpg)


Is the Epi body slightly wider too or is that just from the placement angle of the stands? The creamy Gibson body looks a little svelte next to her whiter cousin.
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: uwe on October 29, 2014, 04:59:37 AM
I'll check!
Title: Re: 2015 Updated Thunderbird
Post by: exiledarchangel on November 02, 2014, 05:15:46 AM
I know I'm in the minority here, surrounded as I am by vintage obsessives

Du bist nicht allein in deiner Kampf, oh Dunklen Lord.