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Gear Discussion Forums => Other Bass Brands => Topic started by: Hörnisse on October 12, 2012, 03:05:45 PM

Title: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Hörnisse on October 12, 2012, 03:05:45 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/John-Birch-Flying-V-Bass-rare-Jacks-Mannequin-/140866122723?pt=Guitar&hash=item20cc4673e3
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Highlander on October 12, 2012, 03:41:57 PM
This beasties a long way from home...
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Big_Stu on October 12, 2012, 04:11:52 PM
It's a gorgeous machine OK, but I can't help wondering whether the high action/neck angle hasn't been caused by all that wood being taken out of the body and what's left is bending under the tension.
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Dave W on October 12, 2012, 05:51:04 PM
USA shipping only, he'd probably do better in the UK where JB is better known.

Here's his video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnofwJvuZfc
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Basvarken on October 13, 2012, 04:48:34 AM
Maybe he should mention a few more times that it's a cool bass...  :popcorn:
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Big_Stu on October 13, 2012, 05:02:59 AM
USA shipping only, he'd probably do better in the UK where JB is better known.

Strangely enough the US does have the largest collection of John Birch guitars owned by Greg Dorsett of Rock Stars Guitars, but his mind is set on SG variations (at least a dozen that I've seen) and parts.

Maybe he should mention a few more times that it's a cool bass...  :popcorn:

Most unusual thing about it is that it's an ordinary layout, most John Birch guitars or basses have some kind of effect, tap or option built into it; which is maybe what was once if that huge empty cavity, though you can easily spot in the pics where it's been machined out far more than was intended.
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: godofthunder on October 13, 2012, 05:17:03 AM
     What? Did he say its good for Jaco stuff ????  :puke:
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Dave W on October 13, 2012, 08:25:05 AM
Strangely enough the US does have the largest collection of John Birch guitars owned by Greg Dorsett of Rock Stars Guitars, but his mind is set on SG variations (at least a dozen that I've seen) and parts.

....

I wasn't aware of that. Still, it's fair to say they're little known here.
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Big_Stu on October 13, 2012, 08:55:46 AM
Yeah, he comes over hunting for them quite regularly & has an English agent here looking for them too. Many a time I've been looking for a JB part only to be told that Greg got their before me, especially in the Birmingham area where Birch was based.
I've told him about a couple that I've spotted in shops which he's gone on to buy, this was the last one (a Gibson customised by John) a previous bass was lost in transit from Denmark to the USA.
But for the main part you're right, John Birch is a UK & to a lesser extent European thing.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/Maddogcole/Birch-edSG.jpg)
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: godofthunder on October 13, 2012, 09:42:14 AM
  Dorsett was very curious abiut my Jim Lea bass....................... especially where the pickups were coming from ;)
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Big_Stu on October 13, 2012, 11:56:53 AM
He traced me and made me an offer for it ........ it was such a tough decision!   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Highlander on October 13, 2012, 12:28:54 PM
Doesn't sound that great after listening to the clip - very curious to know what is under that rear scratchplate - also sounded very fret-buzzy...
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Big_Stu on October 13, 2012, 12:35:49 PM
very curious to know what is under that rear scratchplate

Usually nothing, it was one of JB's quirks - an allover scratchplate to prevent buckle-rash, causes a lot of static crackling from rubbing against the player unless it's earthed.
Never understood it myself, if it doesn't show the finish what's the point of it being there?
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Dave W on October 13, 2012, 03:43:37 PM
That is one lovely SG.
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: gearHed289 on October 13, 2012, 10:27:58 PM
Usually nothing, it was one of JB's quirks - an allover scratchplate to prevent buckle-rash, causes a lot of static crackling from rubbing against the player unless it's earthed.
Never understood it myself, if it doesn't show the finish what's the point of it being there?

Yeah, exactly. It's like - "Let's put a bunch of screw holes in it and cover it up completely so the finish doesn't get f'd up."  :-\
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: clankenstein on October 13, 2012, 11:11:43 PM
interesting bass.perhaps if he sells it he could buy some underwear that fit.
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Big_Stu on October 14, 2012, 05:49:32 AM
That is one lovely SG.

Two 5-way switches, quite a few possibilities there. IIRC it was bought for £700.
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on October 15, 2012, 08:23:52 AM
Whatever possessed the guy who (over)routed that P-pickup cut? That price is seriously optimistic. The action sounds like a symptom of needing a neck reset.   
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Big_Stu on October 16, 2012, 02:11:56 AM
Whatever possessed the guy who (over)routed that P-pickup cut?

Well spotted! Hadn't realised that's what it is; I reckon that & the heavily removed bottom edge of the original cavities is what's allowing the body to move. Whether refilling those holes with solid wood would fix it I dunno.
I read a while ago that it was a known similar issue in some Rick basses where the neck pickup's pocket was cut too big.
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Dave W on October 16, 2012, 09:43:01 PM
Yikes! I didn't look at all the detail photos until now, that is seriously hollowed out! Certainly could affect stability.
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: uwe on October 19, 2012, 05:51:05 AM
Perfect for any Weather Report tribute band really. Jaco-bites want a Flying V and Flying V bassists are all diehard fusionists.

My favorite fusion Flying V players are Michael Schenker, K.K. Downing and Randy Rhoads. And yours?
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: gweimer on October 19, 2012, 06:01:55 AM
Perfect for any Weather Report tribute band really. Jaco-bites want a Flying V and Flying V bassists are all diehard fusionists.

My favorite fusion Flying V players are Michael Schenker, K.K. Downing and Randy Rhoads. And yours?

Lonnie Mack?  Albert King?

And this guy...
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b170/gweimer/BuddyHoppy1.jpg)
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: uwe on October 19, 2012, 10:13:44 AM
All great fusioneers, but Captain Hook is news to me!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: gweimer on October 19, 2012, 11:31:40 AM
All great fusioneers, but Captain Hook is news to me!  :mrgreen:

That's my old band from the '80s, One Arm Bandit.  I posted a video of a 30 year reunion we did in February, but here it is again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnTcTIiGLpA
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: uwe on October 19, 2012, 12:12:41 PM
I remember now!

Guitarist looks a bit Glenn Tiptonish/Russ Ballardish. Kudos for continuing to play but how did he lose his hand? All that picking by only using his arm for movement must require great co-ordination, klutz I am, I could never do it.
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: gweimer on October 19, 2012, 12:42:48 PM
Hoppy lost his arm up to the elbow in a meat grinder when he was 6.  He learned to play guitar just as you see him.  He puts corn pads on each side of his pick to enable the pick to be stable in the hook.
I used to tell him we needed finger picking in some songs.   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: uwe on October 19, 2012, 12:56:13 PM
Well, it's nice to know how you two hooked up for music. And I guess when someone said "Look at the amp beauty!", he didn't immediately assume they were marvelling at his Marshall, no?  8)
Title: Re: John Birch Flying V Bass
Post by: Hörnisse on October 19, 2012, 05:59:00 PM
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ngh6jk.gif)