Double Muds!

shadowcastaz · February 12, 2016, 02:15:21 PM

I have 2 mudbuckers that need to be checked & re wired. Any recommendations where I can send?

Alanko · February 12, 2016, 03:59:08 PM

Curtis Novak?

When you said Double Muds I had this in mind...

Pilgrim · February 12, 2016, 04:19:20 PM

Much chromey-ness there! I approve.

Granny Gremlin · February 12, 2016, 04:23:22 PM

Bah; too far from the neck.

Dave W · February 12, 2016, 05:48:06 PM

I've never used Curtis Novak but he has a great reputation and he knows mudbuckers. He offers his own vintage reissue plus a couple of variations, and he can rewire yours or rewind however you want.

dadagoboi · February 12, 2016, 07:14:07 PM

Quote from: Dave W on February 12, 2016, 05:48:06 PM
I've never used Curtis Novak but he has a great reputation and he knows mudbuckers. He offers his own vintage reissue plus a couple of variations, and he can rewire yours or rewind however you want.

Novak's 'vintage reissue' is nothing but a rewound artec/epi pickup. I've A-B'd them visually. Sounds nothing like a '60s mudbucker, very nasal...IMO

Customer regretted having me put one in this bass. Sent it back for a ThunderBucker transplant.

amptech · February 13, 2016, 02:02:32 AM

I rewind pickups at $50 per coil. I am located in Norway and shipping might cost a bit, so you are probably better off if you find someone near you. I've done a few mud rewinds, both 'downscaling' and vintage spec. At this very moment I'm winding one I will try to match with a classic P bass in neck position.

Bargeon · February 13, 2016, 01:14:15 PM

Quote from: amptech on February 13, 2016, 02:02:32 AM
I rewind pickups at $50 per coil. I am located in Norway and shipping might cost a bit, so you are probably better off if you find someone near you. I've done a few mud rewinds, both 'downscaling' and vintage spec. At this very moment I'm winding one I will try to match with a classic P bass in neck position.

Making you The Mudbucker Proxy ?

Dave W · February 13, 2016, 04:13:31 PM

Quote from: dadagoboi on February 12, 2016, 07:14:07 PM
Novak's 'vintage reissue' is nothing but a rewound artec/epi pickup. I've A-B'd them visually. Sounds nothing like a '60s mudbucker, very nasal...IMO

Customer regretted having me put one in this bass. Sent it back for a ThunderBucker transplant.

He may buy pickup components from the same supplier as Artec but I seriously doubt he would risk his reputation by buying an Artec or an Epi and rewinding it. It wouldn't makes sense anyway, it would take more time to undo and clean one up than to wind a new one using new components. If I were in your shoes, I'd be very careful about saying that without proof. You and he are both small businessmen with reputations to protect.

I haven't heard his vintage reissue but I do like the sound of his replacement EB-AA Fatbucker as heard in this video.

Highlander · February 13, 2016, 04:30:22 PM

Key question... what's wrong with the originals...? Not that hard to strip them down to check, especially if yo are going to the expense of e rewind... I split the coils on the MB our Old Man supplied me for the PC...

shadowcastaz · February 13, 2016, 07:37:40 PM

I had new leads put on one of them and the other one needs new leads. I dropped the one I had done so I may as well have it redone because it does not read correctly.

dadagoboi · February 14, 2016, 04:16:30 AM

Quote from: Dave W on February 13, 2016, 04:13:31 PM
He may buy pickup components from the same supplier as Artec but I seriously doubt he would risk his reputation by buying an Artec or an Epi and rewinding it. It wouldn't makes sense anyway, it would take more time to undo and clean one up than to wind a new one using new components. If I were in your shoes, I'd be very careful about saying that without proof. You and he are both small businessmen with reputations to protect.

I haven't heard his vintage reissue but I do like the sound of his replacement EB-AA Fatbucker as heard in this video.

Thanks, I don't need any advice on this subject and have no rep to protect. I'm 70 with both feet on banana peels. As I said I've visually A-B'd them. It's easy to rewind those pickups, takes almost no time to cut the wire off and there's no potting. I'd do it the same way, $16 for components can't be beat.

I'm not casting aspersions on any of his other product, simply relating my experience with one of them. Other than that my only problem is his supposed Gretsch 'cadillac green' restoration. He used a metallic.

66Atlas · February 14, 2016, 03:19:20 PM

Did the ever actually produce a ripper with dual mudbuckers or was that just a promo/prototype thing? Regardless I think that would be a fun build.

Granny Gremlin · February 14, 2016, 05:06:20 PM

I think it's just that Ripper pups are technically Jr Mud (sidewinders like the mudbucker and generally very similar internally - just the magnet type and windings/guage differ).

This:

vs this:

(pics courtesy of Jules' site).

Dave W · February 14, 2016, 10:24:53 PM

The mud comes from the extreme overwinding. There's nothing muddy about the sidewinder design. The Ripper and Bicentennial Thunderbird pickups aren't the world's clearest pickups but I certainly wouldn't call them muddy.

Others: the Lace Holy Grail Strat pickups are sidewinders and they're anything but muddy. Likewise with the Lace PS900 series. Bill Lawrence designed and patented a sidewinder guitar pickup before he worked for Gibson, and he later sold a version for steel guitar; it was bright. The Gibson Les Paul and SG Futura models from the Gibson 2014 line had what they called a P90-H in the neck position; like the Lace PS900, it was also sidewinder humbucker that looked like a P90. It sounds clearer than regular P90. No doubt there are others out there.