No matter what you think of the European refugee crisis ...

Started by uwe, October 05, 2015, 04:47:22 PM

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Pilgrim

Quote from: nofi on October 06, 2015, 03:28:07 PM
you should read the other posts before you reply. :o but you did get the chance to use intractable. :mrgreen:

I'm still trying for ubiquitous.  8)
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uwe

There better be an "afterward" for Syria and the Middle East because what we are now experiencing is what happens in absence of an "afterward" to which people can cling with their hopes. The West is now learning the hard way what happens when local problems grow legs and go global, though you would have thought that 9/11 was a clear enough warning. The truth is: Since the fall of the Osmanic Empire almost 100 years ago, the West has had no coherent policy for the Middle East, all we did was carve it up and hope that things would somehow sort themselves out.

The problem is not going to go away, will only exacerbate and if ISIS topples Syria and Iraq, then we will for once have a really working domino theory at our hands, except that it is not in Southeast Asian jungles this time.

And there is no military solution. Only a Marshall Plan for the region on a grand scale will help. Even that won't stop the killing and unrest over night, but it will dry out their sources in the long run. Marshall Plans are cheaper than wars too.
We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

Pilgrim

Quote from: uwe on October 07, 2015, 03:26:39 PM

The truth is: Since the fall of the Osmanic Empire almost 100 years ago, the West has had no coherent policy for the Middle East, all we did was carve it up and hope that things would somehow sort themselves out.

The problem is not going to go away, will only exacerbate and if ISIS topples Syria and Iraq, then we will for once have a really working domino theory at our hands, except that it is not in Southeast Asian jungles this time.


Ain't that the truth? From what I've been able to gather, western policy has been based on (1) who will provide oil on the best terms, and (2) supporting whichever gang hates them (whoever "them" is at the moment, whether USSR, Russia, or another middle-eastern country who we're on the outs with) the most this year.

There doesn't seem to have been any long-term vision at all, and the results of that are becoming painfully evident.
"A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other invention with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila."