KISS collaboration

[amptech]

As for posers and non-posers: When Angus sticks his bum out isn't that posing too? Or did I miss some deeper sociological relevance of the act?   

Phew! Don´t worry, just blowing out steam I must admit I like KISS, just have to defend my ´family´.

Posing, sure.. what would rock be without it?  I even spent 2 years in a KISS coverband from 2000 onward, had a good time. Full makeup and everything, great fun. (and my grabber fit in)

The groove, which is the key here - luckily only a handful I´ve met holds Peter Criss as their favourite drummer. But he really ´sounds´like he´s having a good time drumming, I think he was perfect for that early KISS sound. As for AC/DC, I´m sure many would agree that they have a unique beat, even though it´s straight forward etc. Even in let there be rock, the way they build it up, well there is a swing touch. Listen to the hi-hat, it swings! Maybe a nerd thing. And for the boogie beat, the opening track for the record is really nice (go down) . Well, maybe I´m just being a nerd/fan.

I will also meet you on Ian Paice, even though not a big fan of DP I love his beat. I even saw them once, a friend of mine loved them and I went along. Think it was ´93, they just had a new record. Someone said later that it was the last show that he whom I should not mention played with DP, but I can´t verify that.  But It seems that Ian P just cannot play bad no matter what´s going on. We even met Roger Glover (and his girlfriend/wife?) in Oslo, a couple of hours before the show. Really a calm and friendly guy, when thinking back that evening was very nice! But the guitarist  played most of the show with his back facing the audience, though..

[westen44]

Honky Tonk Women and Alright Now may be comparable to Highway to Hell in structure, but those are two of my favorite songs, period.  I remember an unfortunate experience with Highway to Hell, though, which certainly didn't help me like the song any.  Long story, but it had to do with being in a Cleveland, Ohio motel room and having to endure hearing the song played about 50 times in a row in a nearby room.  Plus, the person playing it kept coming over to bother me.  I don't know what his problem was, but if he was having a nervous breakdown, playing Highway to Hell nonstop wasn't helping any.  The management seemed clueless as to what to do and I checked into another motel far away from that one. 

[uwe]

judas priest is an old expression that means oh my god, damn it or something along those lines.

I thought it was a reference to an evil priest. But of course it sounds a bit like "Jesus Christ!!!" under your breath, so it might have been an exclamation/curse too. Judas Priest (the band) have stated that they took it from the Dylan song, after all he was a label mate!



"The Ballad Of Frankie Lee And Judas Priest"


Well, Frankie Lee and Judas Priest
They were the best of friends
So when Frankie Lee needed more money one day
Judas quickly pulled out a roll of tens
And placed them on a footstool
Just above the plotted plain
Sayin', "Take your pick, Frankie Boy
My loss will be your gain".

Well, Frankie Lee, he sat right down
And put his fingers to his chin
But with the cold eyes of Judas on him
His head began to spin
"Would ya please not stare at me like that", he said
"It's just my foolish pride
But sometimes a man must be alone
And this is no place to hide".

Well, Judas he just winked and said
"All right, I'll leave you here
But you'd better hurry up and choose
Which of those bills you want
Before they all disappear"
"I'm gonna start my pickin' right now
Just tell me where you''ll be".

Judas pointed down the road
And said, "Eternity"
"Eternity ?" said Frankie Lee
With a voice as cold as ice
"That's right", said Judas Priest, "Eternity
Though you might call it Paradise"
"I don't call it anything"
Said Frankie Lee with a smile
"All right", said Judas Priest
"I'll see you after a while".

Well, Frankie Lee, he sat back down
Feelin' low and mean
When just then a passing stranger
Burst upon the scene
Saying, "Are you Frankie Lee, the gambler
Whose father is deceased ?
Well, if you are
There's a fellow callin' you down the road
And they say his name is Priest".
"Oh yes, he is my friend"
Said Frankie Lee in fright
"I do recall him very well
In fact, he just left my sight"
Yes, that's the one", said the stranger
As quit as a mouse.
"Well, my message is, he's down the road
Stranded in a house".

Well, Frankie Lee he panicked
He dropped ev'rything and ran
Until he came up to the spot
Where Judas Priest did stand
"What kind of a house is this", he said
"Where I have come to roam ?"
"It's not a house", said Judas Priest
"It's not a house, it's a home".

Well, Frankie Lee he trembled
He soon lost all control
Over ev'rything which he had made
While the mission bells did toll
He just stood there starring
At that big house as bright as any sun
With four and twenty windows
And a woman's face in ev'ry one.

Well, up the stairs ran Frankie Lee
With a soulful bounding leap
And foaming at the mouth
He began to make his midnight creep
For sixteen nights and days he raved
But on the seventeenth he burst
Into the arms of Judas Priest
Which is where he died of thirst.

No one tried to say a thing
When they carried him out in jest
Except of course, the little neighbor boy
Who carried him to rest
And he just walked along alone
Whit his guilt so well concealed
And muttered underneath his breath
"Nothing is revealed".
Well, the moral of the story
The moral of the song
Is simply that one should never be
Where ones does not belong
So when you see your neighbor carryin' somethin'
Help him with his load
And don't go mistaking Paradise
For that home across the road.

[uwe]

"Honky Tonk Women and Alright Now may be comparable to Highway to Hell in structure, but those are two of my favorite songs, period."

I like all three!

[westen44]

"Honky Tonk Women and Alright Now may be comparable to Highway to Hell in structure, but those are two of my favorite songs, period."

I like all three!

It's possible, though, you might not like any of them so much if you had to listen to it 50 times in a row.  I'm not exaggerating, either.  This went on for hours. 

[uwe]

I think I have heard all three already enough as is! But give it one more try!!!

[westen44]

I thought it was a reference to an evil priest. But of course it sounds a bit like "Jesus Christ!!!" under your breath, so it might have been an exclamation/curse too. Judas Priest (the band) have stated that they took it from the Dylan song, after all he was a label mate!



"The Ballad Of Frankie Lee And Judas Priest"


Well, Frankie Lee and Judas Priest
They were the best of friends
So when Frankie Lee needed more money one day
Judas quickly pulled out a roll of tens
And placed them on a footstool
Just above the plotted plain
Sayin', "Take your pick, Frankie Boy
My loss will be your gain".

Well, Frankie Lee, he sat right down
And put his fingers to his chin
But with the cold eyes of Judas on him
His head began to spin
"Would ya please not stare at me like that", he said
"It's just my foolish pride
But sometimes a man must be alone
And this is no place to hide".

Well, Judas he just winked and said
"All right, I'll leave you here
But you'd better hurry up and choose
Which of those bills you want
Before they all disappear"
"I'm gonna start my pickin' right now
Just tell me where you''ll be".

Judas pointed down the road
And said, "Eternity"
"Eternity ?" said Frankie Lee
With a voice as cold as ice
"That's right", said Judas Priest, "Eternity
Though you might call it Paradise"
"I don't call it anything"
Said Frankie Lee with a smile
"All right", said Judas Priest
"I'll see you after a while".

Well, Frankie Lee, he sat back down
Feelin' low and mean
When just then a passing stranger
Burst upon the scene
Saying, "Are you Frankie Lee, the gambler
Whose father is deceased ?
Well, if you are
There's a fellow callin' you down the road
And they say his name is Priest".
"Oh yes, he is my friend"
Said Frankie Lee in fright
"I do recall him very well
In fact, he just left my sight"
Yes, that's the one", said the stranger
As quit as a mouse.
"Well, my message is, he's down the road
Stranded in a house".

Well, Frankie Lee he panicked
He dropped ev'rything and ran
Until he came up to the spot
Where Judas Priest did stand
"What kind of a house is this", he said
"Where I have come to roam ?"
"It's not a house", said Judas Priest
"It's not a house, it's a home".

Well, Frankie Lee he trembled
He soon lost all control
Over ev'rything which he had made
While the mission bells did toll
He just stood there starring
At that big house as bright as any sun
With four and twenty windows
And a woman's face in ev'ry one.

Well, up the stairs ran Frankie Lee
With a soulful bounding leap
And foaming at the mouth
He began to make his midnight creep
For sixteen nights and days he raved
But on the seventeenth he burst
Into the arms of Judas Priest
Which is where he died of thirst.

No one tried to say a thing
When they carried him out in jest
Except of course, the little neighbor boy
Who carried him to rest
And he just walked along alone
Whit his guilt so well concealed
And muttered underneath his breath
"Nothing is revealed".
Well, the moral of the story
The moral of the song
Is simply that one should never be
Where ones does not belong
So when you see your neighbor carryin' somethin'
Help him with his load
And don't go mistaking Paradise
For that home across the road.

Lately, I've been developing more of an appreciation for Bob Dylan.  I'm trying to decide which CDs to buy, but with over thirty albums, it's hard to know where to begin.  I used to have some cassettes and at one point someone let me borrow an album on vinyl for a few months, but none of that is of much help now.  Maybe I'll start a Dylan thread sometime.  I'm sure there must be some people here knowledgeable about Dylan--what's good, what's not, etc. 

[uwe]

Look no further ...

[westen44]

Look no further ...

I saw that the other day and haven't looked at the cost, but that would be tempting. 

[westen44]

I think I have heard all three already enough as is! But give it one more try!!!

A band in Germany named Texas Lightning playing a song by a band from Australia.  Very cosmopolitan.  Nevertheless, I'm going to pass on listening to that song again by anybody--unless I find myself part of a captive audience again. 

[Dave W]

judas priest is an old expression that means oh my god, damn it or something along those lines.

I always understood it to be a substitute for saying Jesus Christ. Regardless, Uwe should know that it couldn't have actually originated with Dylan, since everything that came from Dylan is something he poached.

[westen44]

I always understood it to be a substitute for saying Jesus Christ. Regardless, Uwe should know that it couldn't have actually originated with Dylan, since everything that came from Dylan is something he poached.

What did Dylan poach?  Is this what you're talking about?  Regardless, I agree with what he said about his critics who didn't want him to switch to electric.  Those acoustic purists are, well, Dylan said what they are.  I wouldn't have used such strong language, but I agree with his point. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/13/bob-dylan-wussies-pussies-plagiarism_n_1880268.html

[uwe]

I believe Dylan is neither Jesus Christ nor Judas Priest, just someone with some relevance for rock, folk and singer-songwriter music as we know it today. I saw him in Hamburg last year - we had front row seats (Edith is a passionate folkie) - and, admittedly, I felt slightly queasy so close to a legend though I'm generally not the starstruck type (Ritchie B. excepted of course!).

I'm no Dylanologist by any means, have heard about half to 2/3 of that box of his (a present for Edith), but a good place for a novice to start would be "Live at Budokan" because it shows the mid-period Dylan interpreting songs from his then already lengthy career in new and interesting rock band arrangement ways (yet you can still recognize them). It's Dylan at his rockiest, Rolling Thunder Revue maybe excepted. Another very good live album is "Before the Flood" which he did with The Band in the mid-seventies after his first comeback. For modern day Dylan I'd go for "Modern Times" or the newie "Tempest". If you ask me for my favorite studio album it's probably "Desire" (with the iconic "Hurricane") or "Street Legal" (with the Springsteen'esque - circa Born to Run era - "Changing of the Guards"). But those are Edith's favorites too so I might be under the influence! Dylanologists (and Nofi!) will no doubt shake their heads that I did not name Blonde on Blonde or something else from the sixties.

In that box set, not every album is brilliant or even good, but I haven't heard a single one that didn't have at least one song that made me listen up.

As for the poaching criticism: Like many great artists (David Bowie comes to mind too), Dylan was an empty canvas of what was going on around him. He soaked everything up, but would diffuse enough poignant observations too.

[westen44]

My listening to Dylan has been sporadic and almost something I did at random.  A person, of course, doesn't have to be a folkie to listen to him.  He was Hendrix's favorite artist and I think it's safe to say Jimi Hendrix wasn't a folk music artist.  I've only listened to a few of the albums in their entirety, but would be curious to check out a few more at the very least.  Considering the low prices for some of these CDs, it wouldn't be much of a risk.  Even the entire collection is very reasonably priced, IMO. 

[uwe]

It will raise your credibility as a rock music afficionado like nothing else! And it's lovingly done, nice booklet and the mock LP paper CD sleeves are not of the usual junk quality.