Holding out for a zero... it's Eurovision time...

Started by Highlander, March 08, 2013, 03:10:57 PM

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ilan

Quote from: uwe on March 11, 2013, 08:42:12 AM
Now come on, Ilan, don't be shy ... And do reveal to me what "abanibi" means in Hebrew
That song is written in children's common "secret language", in which every syllable is followed by an identical one only with a "b". There was a time in the early 60's when grown men really did not understand kids who were proficient in this simple "code". "Ani" (pronounced ah-knee, meaning in Hebrew - I, myself, me) becomes ah-ba nee-bee. "Abanibi Obohebev obotabakh" is "ani ohev otakh", which is, as you have probably guessed, "I love you".

uwe

Something learned! No, I had not known what it stood for. Though it's not entirely surprising. Worse songs have won, that thing was pretty much an "Ohrwurm" that drove you mad for a while.
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4stringer77

Ilan didn't mention the best part which is the letter at the end he spells with a kh. It's a sound that is impossible to spell in English. This is a good example of how it should sound.
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ilan

#18
Yup. It's exactly the same as Dutch speakers pronounce the consonant G. Russian has it too, like in Khrushchev. It also exists in Chinese (the X in Xu Jintau).

Israel first competed in the Eurovision in 1973. I'm only mentioning this because in the video from '73 some of you might notice the double-neck Gibson bass seen at 2:47 (and heard throughout - no playback). Must be pretty rare (or not a Gibson?)


uwe

We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

ilan


uwe

Danke! Ilanit (is that the female version of your first name?) not only patterned her look a bit after Chi Coltrane; whoever wrote the chorus also had listened to a bit of Chi, very Eurovisiony with those horns, it was a tried and trusted recipe at the time.



And isn't that conductress the same one as in Izhar Cohen's Abanibi song?

That twin bass at 2:47 (not guitar and bass!) is fascinating and kind of what I want. While I'm not sure it is a Gibson at all, it looks like both necks are long scale, one of them fretted and one of them fretless. While the fretted/fretless doubleneck bass combination became kind of a staple diet for virtuoso bassists much later, in 1973 this was pretty damned daring!
We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

nofi

#22
i like alice.

"life is a blur of republicans and meat"- zippy the pinhead

uwe

Where is your testosterone, Nofi? ;D Chi was a lot hotter and one of my adolescent fantasies, I had her poster

http://www.bravo-archiv.de/nmimage.php?z=pop/1976-04-Chi-Coltrane-POP-Superposter.jpg&width=342&height=500&title=ChiColtrane

right at the side of my bed!  :mrgreen: My tastes, errrm, penetrated music outside the Deep Purple world as well. That said, there was a connection, both Chi and Jon Lord were unabashed fans of Leon Russell's piano playing, with Chi the influence was evident.

We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

ilan

Quote from: uwe on March 12, 2013, 05:29:29 AM
Ilanit (is that the female version of your first name?)
The female version of my name is Ilana. Ilanit is the Hebrew name for the small green European Tree Frog, Hyla arborea. But I don't think she knew that when she adopted it as her stage name, when she was in a duo with a guy who called himself Ilan (like my name), so they were Ilan and Ilanit which sounded kinda neat. Her real name is Hanna Drezner and her origins are Brazilian.

uwe

Oh, you mean a Laubfrosch!



I would have thought Israel is too hot for those, but obviously not, they are at least indigenous to the Golan I read.

No Laubfrosch in sight here - though with all the dead foilage you never know!



Of course, with the LBO being what it is, nothing is sacred, so here is some Ilanit porn (including a 69 position at 1:24) for you, forgive me Ilan:

We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

westen44

Quote from: ilan on March 11, 2013, 12:49:50 PM
Yup. It's exactly the same as Dutch speakers pronounce the consonant G. Russian has it too, like in Khrushchev. It also exists in Chinese (the X in Xu Jintau).

Israel first competed in the Eurovision in 1973. I'm only mentioning this because in the video from '73 some of you might notice the double-neck Gibson bass seen at 2:47 (and heard throughout - no playback). Must be pretty rare (or not a Gibson?)



In trying to make the sound in Dutch, I can sometimes do it okay as an individual word.  But putting the word in a sentence does not often turn out so well.  Fitting it into the rhythm of a sentence isn't easy for me sometimes. 
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--Blaise Pascal

ilan

Back in the 70's contestants had to sing in their native languages, not English unless they were from Ireland or the UK. So local lyricists used to write the Israeli song for the festival with as little "kh"s as possible, to make it sound less weird to European listeners.

You do know that the H in John is from the original name - pronounced Yokhanan (meaning literally "God had mercy"). Michael was Mikhael (in Russian it still is), Hanna was originally Khanna, etc. Many H's in English names were once that "Kh" sound.

Basvarken

Quote from: ilan on March 11, 2013, 12:49:50 PM
It's exactly the same as Dutch speakers pronounce the consonant G.

Close but not exactly. It's more how the Dutch pronounce the Ch. The Ch sounds more harsh than a G.
Like when you clear your throat.

A G should be a little softer. How soft exactly differs from region to region.
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ilan

Quote from: Basvarken on March 13, 2013, 05:30:01 AM
A G should be a little softer. How soft exactly differs from region to region.
Same here. Sepharady Jews (mid-eastern origin) pronounce it a little more harsh, Askenazi Jews (European origin, like myself) pronounce it very similar to the G in Van Gogh.