Dear Connecticut...

gweimer · December 15, 2012, 02:04:34 PM

I'm sure everyone here knows of a board somewhere that would never have made it 5 pages without moderator intervention and deletion. We've been able to disagree pretty strongly here without all the worst things that could come out in a discussion like this.

And, I also seem to recall that Hitler opposed bum control, and that his photo collection of Eva was proof of that.

Let us now enter the realm of the love that shall not be named, version 1.

rahock · December 15, 2012, 02:39:31 PM

This is a nice place, please let's not mess it up.
Rick

nofi · December 15, 2012, 02:51:52 PM

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jumbodbassman · December 15, 2012, 03:23:58 PM

this is just beyond anything one can imagine. I live about 20 miles from Newtown. about 8 guys that have worked for me over the last years live in that town. haven't reached all of them yet. My middle daughter is a camp counseler during the summer and one of the kids was in her troupe. Played a gig last night and a couple that always comes and sees us was missing. turns out they lost a daughter. Another friend there went to school with the principal that got killed. rumor is the father worked for GE capital which was my employer up till friday as i got laid off a few weeks ago.

All i can say is you see these horrors on TV but think never..... this is a tough one

gweimer · December 15, 2012, 03:33:55 PM

Quote from: jumbodbassman on December 15, 2012, 03:23:58 PM
this is just beyond anything one can imagine. I live about 20 miles from Newtown. about 8 guys that have worked for me over the last years live in that town. haven't reached all of them yet. My middle daughter is a camp counseler during the summer and one of the kids was in her troupe. Played a gig last night and a couple that always comes and sees us was missing. turns out they lost a daughter. Another friend there went to school with the principal that got killed. rumor is the father worked for GE capital which was my employer up till friday as i got laid off a few weeks ago.

All i can say is you see these horrors on TV but think never..... this is a tough one

It has to be difficult to live in that area right now. If I understand the area, it's not a large urban area. When CNN commented today that people still didn't know who the victims were, I doubted that very seriously. I would guess, as you indicate, that everyone that lives there knows who died. These are people who live in the same neighborhoods. I know that when the train hit the school bus in my area, it was all one neighborhood. You have families and next door neighbors that all share this tragedy from yesterday forward.

dadagoboi · December 15, 2012, 03:51:07 PM

7 mass shootings this year so far. Blaming the media is BS, it only reflects our culture from (not very) left to far right. If you don't like it, turn it off. Blame the parents of the shooters, including the dead mom who didn't keep her guns locked where her lunatic kid couldn't get them.

Dave W · December 15, 2012, 03:56:39 PM

Okay, I've removed a bunch of personal attacks that were completely unwarranted.

If you don't like the content of the thread, then don't participate -- it's that simple.

There are no "nazi apologists" on this board. Don't make the mistake of claiming that again.

gweimer · December 15, 2012, 03:57:53 PM

Quote from: dadagoboi on December 15, 2012, 03:51:07 PM
7 mass shootings this year so far. Blaming the media is BS, it only reflects our culture from (not very) left to far right. If you don't like it, turn it off. Blame the parents of the shooters, including the dead mom who didn't keep her guns locked where her lunatic kid couldn't get them.

All I've heard is bashing the media for exploiting this tragedy, nothing about the NRA and gun makers working 24/7 and spending tons of money to make sure the status quo prevails.

The media is not to blame for the issue, but I do feel they provide an unnecessary amount of attention to the individuals who perpetrate these acts. The media makes them famous, and that was my point (and I believe Dave's, as well). If the individuals who do these mass shootings are not given priority content in the news, especially over the victims, then they don't get their 15 minutes. It's only one piece of this puzzle.
And, I agree about the parents being the first place to start. If I saw correctly, the mother had the guns to protect herself FROM her son. There was definitely something wrong at home for some time.

Dave W · December 15, 2012, 04:05:52 PM

Quote from: gweimer on December 15, 2012, 03:57:53 PM
The media is not to blame for the issue, but I do feel they provide an unnecessary amount of attention to the individuals who perpetrate these acts. The media makes them famous, and that was my point (and I believe Dave's, as well). If the individuals who do these mass shootings are not given priority content in the news, especially over the victims, then they don't get their 15 minutes. It's only one piece of this puzzle.
And, I agree about the parents being the first place to start. If I saw correctly, the mother had the guns to protect herself FROM her son. There was definitely something wrong at home for some time.

Right. The media doesn't cause anything, it's mostly just a reflection of society. If people weren't obsessed with these killers and with attaching themselves to the misfortunes of the victims, the media wouldn't be covering it. But the way the media covers it just makes the next deranged loser know he will get attention.

Pilgrim · December 15, 2012, 04:08:23 PM

I have close ties to media through my college - and I really regret the effects of the race to be first and to get every bit of drivel related to a new story. There are darn few journalists left in the world - the ones with judgment and both the ability and willingness to get to the bottom of a story. Most of them are reporters with good hair and a remote truck that the news director wants to be used every night.

dadagoboi · December 15, 2012, 04:09:00 PM

Quote from: gweimer on December 15, 2012, 03:57:53 PM
The media is not to blame for the issue, but I do feel they provide an unnecessary amount of attention to the individuals who perpetrate these acts. The media makes them famous, and that was my point (and I believe Dave's, as well). If the individuals who do these mass shootings are not given priority content in the news, especially over the victims, then they don't get their 15 minutes. It's only one piece of this puzzle.
And, I agree about the parents being the first place to start. If I saw correctly, the mother had the guns to protect herself FROM her son. There was definitely something wrong at home for some time.

What happened to personal responsibility? I don't do what the media tells me and raised my kids the same way. Too many stupid parents not parenting, letting corporations do it (including the media but not limited to it)

If the mother bought guns to protect herself from her son she should have had him put away as a danger to her or himself.

gweimer · December 15, 2012, 04:10:46 PM

Those of us who have been here a while know an attempt to defuse a tense topic when we see it. This is a pretty open and honest place, and we all generally get along. This is the first topic of this nature that I can recall being allowed to continue. There are reasons why we stick to basses, guns, trains and Blackmore.

gweimer · December 15, 2012, 04:11:37 PM

Quote from: dadagoboi on December 15, 2012, 04:09:00 PM
If the mother bought guns to protect herself from her son she should have had him put away as a danger to her or himself.

Absolutely.

Blackbird · December 15, 2012, 04:32:18 PM

I get the media references in the sense that it's not the message....but more specifically the sensationalist approach to the delivery of the message. News was news till things like CNN came along...

Dave W · December 15, 2012, 05:05:18 PM

We don't really know what happened yet with the mother and her guns. On the evening news they're now saying she was a sport shooter who had guns because she feared civil unrest if the economy collapsed. For all we know, the guns could have been locked up. It's just speculation at this point.