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maxschrek · June 05, 2012, 04:59:42 PM

I love Van Der Graaf Generator!

Flying Colors tunes I can count....pedestrian

nofi · June 06, 2012, 06:59:50 AM

pre discipline king crimson is the only prog that matters, imo. flying colors sounds like lame fm rock to my ears, no matter who is doing the playing. uwe, it seems to me that you you embrace the soft center of any given genre and miss or ignore the real meaty, challenging parts that push any boundaries. imhumbleo.

gweimer · June 06, 2012, 08:00:51 AM

Quote from: nofi on June 06, 2012, 06:59:50 AM
pre discipline king crimson is the only prog that matters, imo. flying colors sounds like lame fm rock to my ears, no matter who is doing the playing. uwe, it seems to me that you you embrace the soft center of any given genre and miss or ignore the real meaty, challenging parts that push any boundaries. imhumbleo.

au contraire. One of the best King Crimson albums is their last studio release, The Power To Believe.

uwe · June 06, 2012, 11:11:01 AM

I never wanted to be part of a forum where there is actually two people that like King Crimson!!! $:-\$

gweimer · June 06, 2012, 01:34:58 PM

Quote from: uwe on June 06, 2012, 11:11:01 AM
I never wanted to be part of a forum where there is actually two people that like King Crimson!!! $:-\$

And yet, you sported virtual wood at the news of a U.K. show! For my money, King Crimson never quite rested on their laurels completely. They played a healthy mix of old, new, structured and improvised music throughout their existence.

gearHed289 · June 07, 2012, 08:43:34 AM

Quote from: gweimer on June 06, 2012, 01:34:58 PMFor my money, King Crimson never quite rested on their laurels completely. They played a healthy mix of old, new, structured and improvised music throughout their existence.

Agreed, and well said. Crimson always was truly progressive. I get what maxschrek is saying. I did hit a point somewhere along the line where I felt "progressive" bands had become more REgressive. Honestly though, the new Yes album makes me smile, and at the end of the day, that's all that matters! Oh, and the new Rush is sounding incredible.....

uwe · June 07, 2012, 08:50:37 AM

I was joking. I like King Crimson, but they epitomize nerd prog.

UK actually started out as another failed King Crimson incarnation (and to their credit never denied that KC was what they patterned themselves after): Jobson and Wetton had befriended each other at Roxy Music (a young Jobson barely out of his teens and lost in the Roxy world wide eyed that Wetton had actually played in the legendary King Crimson) and wanted to talk Fripp into forming a new KC with them after the KC of the Red era with Wetton had floundered. Fripp was initially interested but then bailed ship again leaving Wetton and Jobson to carry on without him.

But essentially UK was Wetton's and especially Jobson's vision of a slightly more commercial King Crimson that should gain a wider appeal.

chromium · June 07, 2012, 09:15:23 AM

Saw Crimson about ten years ago, and it was one of my favorite concerts. It was the lineup with Trey Gunn on the Warr guitar

The opening band was called Pigmy Love Circus. I liked 'em, and it was fun watching the ol' proggies get all squirly when this hard rock band is blasting songs with titles like "Livin' Like Sh1t". The singer had on some crazy getup - something like a kilt and leather bondage mask, and was running around waving what looked like a machine gun at the audience (a prop? never know in Arizona...). Anyway, I thought I remember reading somewhere that Fripp likes getting the audience worked up a bit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP9kumiaXjw&feature=relmfu

gweimer · June 07, 2012, 09:48:34 AM

The last time I saw King Crimson was right before they went on tour with Tool (2004?). The show was actually an unannounced show in Cincinnati. I took my teen-age daughter with me. The crowd was weird. It was half Tool fans and half old hippies. When the doors opened, all the youngsters rushed to the front, and all us old dudes headed for the back, leaving a room with crowds at both ends and an empty center. There was a table of guys in Styx and REO shirts talking and pointing, yet none of them noticed C.C. DeVille (Poison) standing only 5 feet away from them the whole show. My daughter was freaked when I talked to him as he walked by us. The show was great, considering it was sweltering in the hall (Bogart's). The Level Five live CD is a good representation of that show. The song "Dangerous Curves" was in its infancy, and announced as "Song Blue", as I recall. The amazing part of the show was watching the band get derailed mid-song, and then slowly piece it all back together without ever stopping.

Yeah, I'm a fan. So is my daughter, after that show.

maxschrek · June 07, 2012, 01:55:47 PM

Quote from: gearHed289 on June 07, 2012, 08:43:34 AM
Agreed, and well said. Crimson always was truly progressive. I get what maxschrek is saying. I did hit a point somewhere along the line where I felt "progressive" bands had become more REgressive. Honestly though, the new Yes album makes me smile, and at the end of the day, that's all that matters! Oh, and the new Rush is sounding incredible.....

Yeah, I really dig the new Yes album too!

gweimer · June 07, 2012, 07:04:29 PM

I just came across this from www.avclub.com

Progressive Rock 101
"Roll over Beethoven," sang Chuck Berry in 1956. His hit song of the same name called for the overthrow of classical music in favor of the rock 'n' roll revolution Berry helped rally. It took just 15 years for rock to turn against its founders; by the early '70s, progressive rock was in full bloom. Prog embraced many tropes of classical music—and at times even incorporated the work of Beethoven and his ilk—into its unconventional scales, tricky signatures, ornate arrangements, and nerdy subject matter. It also brought a reserved and rarified air to rock, something that had been conceived as raw, rebellious party music. Dancing to 20-minute, multi-movement epics played in 9/8 time, however, was out of the question. Prog wasn't designed to move the body, but to relocate the brain.

uwe · June 07, 2012, 07:38:38 PM

Quote from: maxschrek on June 07, 2012, 01:55:47 PM
Yeah, I really dig the new Yes album too!

Excellent album, heard it to death, but - "on the roundabout ..." - they already kicked that singer out and have a new one (an American, would you believe) while Jon Anderson is doing MTV Storyteller type solo gigs. I saw them with the booted singer (a Canadian, they are obviously intent on working themselves through all former colonies of the Empire, Trevor Rabin was a South African so they have that one already covered!) last year, he sang well live (also the Anderson stuff), but was hardly a rock frontman with his cabaret/broadway musical (dance) moves.

gweimer · June 07, 2012, 07:58:23 PM

OK, I'm curious. What's the new Yes album?

uwe · June 07, 2012, 08:07:09 PM

"Fly from here", Trevor Rabin produced and co-written with old Buggles buddy Geoffrey Downes playing keyboards. The result is a poppy Yes (did anybody say Starcastle?!!!), almost supertrampish in the catchiness of the melodies but with more instrumental brawn than, say, Asia. Production is ace and the whole album is songwritingwise one pleasant listen from beginning to end. They played quite a bit from it at that gig I saw.

gweimer · June 07, 2012, 08:12:57 PM

Quote from: uwe on June 07, 2012, 08:07:09 PM
"Fly from here", Trevor Rabin produced and co-written with old Buggles buddy Geoffrey Downes playing keyboards. The result is a poppy Yes (did anybody say Starcastle?!!!), almost supertrampish in the catchiness of the melodies but with more instrumental brawn than, say, Asia. Production is ace and the whole album is songwritingwise one pleasant listen from beginning to end. They played quite a bit from it at that gig I saw.

Starcastle? Ewwwwwww.....

Looks like I'll have to ask my kids for Fly From Here this year. Cool!