Rebel Bird

[uwe]

So you would have preferred an aborigene tune?

Almost all national anthems have colonial or ademocratic roots. And if they took their origins in a revolution like the French one did, their lyrics are not really pc today either! 

[leftybass]

Dave I feel the same way about the Southern Cross flag here.



It was originally used by a bunch of miners in 1854 who fought against govt forces in the only rebellion in Aust history. They were being forced to pay exhorbitant licence fees to mine and the collections of these fees was very unorganised to the point of randomness.
The fight that ensued is described as being "a brutal over-reaction in a situation essentially brought about by the actions of Commission and Government officials. " The Flag was one that the miners flew above their encampment.

Today it gets hijacked in much the same way as the confederate flag by the extreme right and of course the extreme left  . Part of the irony here is that most of the miners who's flag it was were either Irish, Polish or Chinese.

I have one of those, I'm a vexillologist, I've always referred to it as the Eureka flag, is that correct?

[eb2]

 

I think it will be along time before an American President will be either a plantation or cotton mill owner again.

Well, I guess it depends on how you look at it.  One of the political realities of US elections has been the need to have a southerner in the mix - the huge negatives for Bush eased that quite a bit.  But that was one of Carter's strenghts in getting the Democratic nomination, along with his governing experience.  But - again heavy scrubbing alert - he also had some somewhat alarming CSA moments that tend to at least indicate some inner conflict.  He doesn't trumpet it at all anymore, but he was in the past less shy about his forebears involvement in the Confederate Navy, his visits with and hosting of visting Confederados, and his presidential pardon of Robert E. Lee.  Clinton used his good ole boy credentials when necessary, and gave a little ripple at Byrd's funeral.  There is more than enough evidence that neither are racist, but there are a few documented examples of the southern internal conflict of rebel pride and shame that is fairly familiar to most of us who have traveled about the former Confederacy.

[uwe]

For avoidance of doubt: I don't equate coming from a Southern state with Confederate leanings, Robert E. Lee forbid!


Case in point: The alligator population in the Everglades is and has been largely oblivious to questions of human skin color just as long as the flesh underneath is soft and tender.  After all the USS Alligator was a Union vessel.

[rockinrayduke]

OK, I would play that bass and I'm not a redneck. Though I can get redneckish if needed.

[the mojo hobo]

If that bass was about $200 cheaper, I'd buy it and re-fin it Pelham Blue.

[dadagoboi]

If that bass was about $200 cheaper, I'd buy it and re-fin it Pelham Blue.

Exactly what I thought when I first saw it, except for the color.

[rockinrayduke]

Yes, a refin=good idea. Now, a Texas flag.........

[Psycho Bass Guy]

Case in point: The alligator population in the Everglades is and has been largely oblivious to questions of human skin color just as long as the flesh underneath is soft and tender.  After all the USS Alligator was a Union vessel.

Florida is NOT part of the South! 

[Highlander]

I once heard of Florida being described as "New York in shorts..."

The UK English councils (as a general rule) object to us showing the flag; any flag... to put up a flag-pole requires planning permission... the English flag is considered jingoistic, even out-right racialist, if displayed on St Georges Day (their patron saint) - it is almost glossed over as a day here... for the Scot's and the Irish, St Andrew's and St Patrick's days are public p*ss up's... oops, sorry... I meant "holidays..."

Scotlands "National Anthem" is the beautiful "Flower of Scotland..." the first is basically the more popular version but the second was the first public broadcast... I had quite a struggle to find the single as a gift for my father back in '75 as it was then just a rather obscure record...





First came to light in the late 60's, the writer (Roy Williamson) has now passed but his blatently jingoistic song about the last time the Scot's defeated the English is a perfect choice...

[eb2]

Florida is schizo.  It is both a part of the south (been to Jacksonville?) and the 6th borough of New York. And the free capitol of Cuba, and of late Venezuela.  Wrap that all up in a funeral parlor, turn up the humidity, and you are close.  It all depends on where you go.  Some of the best bagels outside of Montreal, and a smoked pork lovers shangrila.  My take is always the array of wild life that co-exists with the infirm and glitzy, which is all nature's way of saying "humans should not live here."  Walt Disney had no idea of what he was bulldozing his way into.

[gweimer]

The Confederate battle flag is part of US history. I have no use for those who want to scrub it and sanitize history. OTOH I have no respect for people who use it today to make some kind of statement.

Right after 9/11, there was a pickup truck in the area where we lived.  The guy had the Stars and Stripes flying on one side of the bed, and the Stars and Bars on the other.  In the middle was a window sticker, "United We Stand".  Go figure.  Cincinnati is more hick than you want to know.

[Freuds_Cat]

So you would have preferred an aborigene tune?

Almost all national anthems have colonial or ademocratic roots. And if they took their origins in a revolution like the French one did, their lyrics are not really pc today either! 

We are taught here that Australia is the only country who's Constitution was drawn up without a revolution of some kind preceding it. I'm not bothered about what the words say in the anthem, albeit rather bland. Just that its a bit of a "meh" tune  A lot of my compatriots feel the same but when some of your main national traits include apathy and irony most cant be bothered attempting to change it.

I dont know about an Aborigine national anthem but they have a cool looking flag at least.

[Freuds_Cat]

I have one of those, I'm a vexillologist, I've always referred to it as the Eureka flag, is that correct?

Yes, Eureka was where the miners were when the flag was created. The Eureka stockade.

[Dave W]

Florida is schizo.  It is both a part of the south (been to Jacksonville?) and the 6th borough of New York. And the free capitol of Cuba, and of late Venezuela. ...

That reminds me, whatever became of Marisleysis Gonzalez? She was America's favorite on-screen psycho during the Elian saga, you would think she would have a talk show empire by now.