Reloading a Marshall slope cab... advice requested...

Started by Highlander, December 05, 2009, 02:29:18 PM

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godofthunder

Looks good Kenny, We'll want a gig report on that one !
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Highlander

Presently (not) looking and between gigs... the outfit I giged with last year was a temp re-union...

Not presently looking as I want all the gear in working order, with some back-up...

I'm (road to Hell) intending to post some stuff with the Hiwatt, the cab, and the T'bird, once I get them operational...

I did audition for a covers band a few weeks back but  it turned out they tend to rehearse only on Mondays (?) with a gig lined up for 1st week April, plus others pending, and I had a couple of pre-booked dates, which probably did not fit...

There is a part of me that is happy not to have got this one, as the drummer did not make any attempt to make "eye-contact" at any point, which I've always found to be part of forming a great rhythm section...
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Highlander

Just an update from work in the shed yesterday...

Finished off the wiring and fitted 3 XLR's on the back, wired thus...

The 2 Emminence's on one socket wired in series (150w 16 ohm)...
The 2 Cellestion's on a second wired in parellel (60w <6 ohm)...
The centre one has the two sets wired up in parallel (210w marginally 4> ohm)

First tests were with the Hiwatt running without the switch (50w) at below half on the output volume and 3/4 on the preamp... I was rather shocked by the output jump - very loud and a much greater treble out than I'm used to (yes, the Emminence's are guitar speakers, so to be expected...), so backed the treble to about 1/2...

The amp has distinctly differing sounds on the inputs one being much harsher than the other... never tried running them both together and playing with the balance control... something for future testing...

Overall, I am really pleased with the sound I am getting with the mix of the two speaker types... one minor issue is that I chose the two Celestion's with the best cones, but one of them has issues, so off to the shed to remove that one and replace with the spare one...

If all goes well I will start sound testing the Peter Cook wiring games later today...
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Highlander

just an odd thought...

I found the cab label from one of my old (RIP) 4x12 SOUNDCITY columns and am tempted to put it on the front...

Should I go for authenticity and find a Marshall logo, or just leave her blank...?

Pics later...
The random mind of a Silver Surfer...
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Staring at that event horizon is a dirty job, but someone has to do it; something's going to come back out of it one day...

Highlander



Test ran her with my Hohner later and have almost certainly decided to sell off the Celestions to fund a further two Eminence speakers - that much of a difference to my ears...
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jumbodbassman

ev are really expensive  - very clean   - think Stanley Clarke.

eminence  are great.  Celestion are guitar speakers IMHO. 

Madison (if you can find old ones ) are pretty good for cheap. 

I put 4 eminence 12's in an old marshall cab and then sound pretty good -  (kind of blended models  - 2 LF   and 2 not) 

any cab in the marshal/hiwatt vein will greatly improve with some ports to allow the lowest frequencies to escape thge cab.  Sealed cabs always sounded squised to me  except for SVT cabs.   IMHO.
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JIM

Highlander

Clarke I like, but the budget won't run to very pricey purchases at the moment, and overtly clean will not suit my playing style...

The peculiarity (unbeknown to me) was that the original speakers were PA type (so rather oddball in this type of cab), they worked for me for some years, but compared to the new ones...

I'll get another pair of differing speakers (again Eminence) as soon as I can, but I can run on the pair I've got for now...
The random mind of a Silver Surfer...
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Staring at that event horizon is a dirty job, but someone has to do it; something's going to come back out of it one day...

godofthunder

I like Eminence for the $  I put them in my Marshall and Hiwatt cabs
Maker of the Badbird Bridge, "intonation without modification" for your vintage Gibson Thunderbird

Highlander

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Chris P.


exiledarchangel

Quote from: Kenny Five-O on June 06, 2010, 05:51:50 AM
just an odd thought...

I found the cab label from one of my old (RIP) 4x12 SOUNDCITY columns and am tempted to put it on the front...

Should I go for authenticity and find a Marshall logo, or just leave her blank...?

Pics later...

Why don't you make your own logo Kenny? Here's some inspiration.





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Highlander

That brought tears (of laughter) to my eyes...  ;D ;D ;D

Definitely the squirrel and crossbones...!
The random mind of a Silver Surfer...
If research was easy, it wouldn't need doing...
Staring at that event horizon is a dirty job, but someone has to do it; something's going to come back out of it one day...

Chris P.

 ;D

That old Sound City logo could be cool too! Don't throw it away!

rahock

I've said it many times and I'll say it again, Eminence speakers are about the best bang for the buck out there. Aside from good sound and dependability, it doesn't take a lot of power to get them moving. With that in mind, you can use a  higher power rated Eminenece speaker with a lower power rated amp(like a vintage head), and still get a good sound. With a lot of newer speakers you can't get away with that. it takes too much power to get them moving so they tend to not sound so good and if you get real carried away with mismatching your head to your speaker , you run the risk of blowing something up.
With Eminence speakers you can be a little more flexible. I've run my Gibson Atlas head which is around 40 watts through a 15" Eminence rated at around 235 watts constant and it sounds fantastic.
Rick

exiledarchangel

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