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Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2023, 03:23:46 PM »
No, it was bought by James Irsay, owner of the (NFL) Indianapolis Colts.

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Highlights of his collection – for which he was offered over $1 billion – include Jimi Hendrix’s ‘65 Fender Jazzmaster, David Gilmour’s Black Strat and Kurt Cobain’s Smells Like Teen Spirit Mustang. Irsay’s own personal highlight from the collection, though, is Bob Dylan’s Newport Folk Festival sunburst Fender Strat – the same model that was once found in an attic – which he called “one of the most important instruments in rock ‘n’ roll history”.

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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2023, 10:11:26 AM »
Well, in that case that SG is now exactly where it belongs, namely in a collection of 20th century cultural artifacts. In essence, a bunch of rock'n'roll Stradivaris. A good home. You don't really want guitars like that to be continued to be played until they need a refin, a refret or new pups - they need to be preserved in the state they were used to write rock history.

I agree with his assessment of the Dylan Strat btw. Dylan was no Chuck Berry or Jimi Hendrix in a musical sense, but he brought the power of social commentary into rock music.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2023, 01:55:26 PM »
Well, in that case that SG is now exactly where it belongs, namely in a collection of 20th century cultural artifacts. In essence, a bunch of rock'n'roll Stradivaris. A good home. You don't really want guitars like that to be continued to be played until they need a refin, a refret or new pups - they need to be preserved in the state they were used to write rock history.

I agree with his assessment of the Dylan Strat btw. Dylan was no Chuck Berry or Jimi Hendrix in a musical sense, but he brought the power of social commentary into rock music.

The Fool SG has already been repaired extensively during Rundgren's ownership - retouching, clear-coating, replacement of portions of the neck, headstock and some electronics - so it's not exactly pristine. Somebody actually built him a replica, which he said played and sounded better than the original.

Dylan's Strat is is of great importance primarily because he used it onstage at Newport, which was his first-ever performance on electric guitar. That set was seen as a turning point in popular music - where acoustic folk and electric rock were inexorably linked. Dylan's hard-core fans were horrified by his embrace of the electric.
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2023, 02:12:24 PM »
I'm just not relating at all to the fanaticism of acoustic guitar fans.  Somehow by accident, I once landed on a forum in which there was a flame war between electric and acoustic fans.  Normally, I'm not on any guitar forum at all.  But I was briefly on that one.  That was the most intense warfare on a forum except for one other forum I was once on.  I've heard about how horrified Dylan's hardcore fans were when he switched to electric at Newport and I believe it. 
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2023, 02:12:58 PM »
I know. He and The Band were booed at some gigs of their later UK tour too - folk fans couldn't handle it, any rock'n'roll element was perceived as intellectually lightweight and not authentic, an escapist passing fad. It must have bee akin to Led Zep performing in, say, 1974 with a dance troupe and horns during Stairway To Heaven.

Which would have given that song some entertainment value for once.
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Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2023, 09:01:25 AM »
Marijke Koger still paints guitars.

https://www.facebook.com/marijke.kogerdunham

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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2023, 11:01:27 AM »
I wasn't even aware of her, how embarrassing, she's an indelible part of pop culture!

https://marijkekogerart.com/marijkeKoger/psychedelicGuitarArt.php

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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2023, 11:17:42 AM »
I know. He and The Band were booed at some gigs of their later UK tour too - folk fans couldn't handle it, any rock'n'roll element was perceived as intellectually lightweight and not authentic, an escapist passing fad. It must have bee akin to Led Zep performing in, say, 1974 with a dance troupe and horns during Stairway To Heaven.

Which would have given that song some entertainment value for once.

Oh dear, this sounds like a prompt for a "oddest cover songs" thread...
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Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2023, 02:51:53 PM »
I wasn't even aware of her, how embarrassing, she's an indelible part of pop culture!

https://marijkekogerart.com/marijkeKoger/psychedelicGuitarArt.php

She is. But don't feel bad, you are concentrating at fallschirmjäger while I try to concentrate on Dutch popart.

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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2023, 03:54:46 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2023, 10:51:49 PM »
I know. He and The Band were booed at some gigs of their later UK tour too - folk fans couldn't handle it, any rock'n'roll element was perceived as intellectually lightweight and not authentic, an escapist passing fad. It must have bee akin to Led Zep performing in, say, 1974 with a dance troupe and horns during Stairway To Heaven.

Which would have given that song some entertainment value for once.

All I can say is that although it can have many merits, sometimes I can't handle folk music, either.  I never wanted to boycott it, though, or help start a riot against it. 
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« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2023, 06:48:03 AM »
Fate had it that even at an advanced age I saw myself confronted with an avalanche of folk music!



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Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2023, 10:33:29 AM »
But there is a big difference between traditional American folk music and neo-medieval folk rock.  In general, I'm not very enthusiastic about the former.  I had mentioned in another post about Nordic Roots music.  Sometimes this can seem like a blend of medieval folk and rock.  It can be odd and maybe even a little unsettling, but a band like Hoven Droven which I've also mentioned can get my attention.  You just don't hear stuff like this at your local venue with a cover band.   At least I don't.  If i were in Sweden, I might be able to speak about it with a little more authority.


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Re: Clapton's Fool SG up for auction
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2023, 04:17:39 PM »
Marijke Koger still paints guitars.
https://www.facebook.com/marijke.kogerdunham

Peter Cook is a FB friend of hers...
I've not been following/replicating her style of fins...  :mrgreen:

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