Yamaha Samurai

[Dave W]

Wait... did it or didn't it?

Oops, sorry. My EB-0L was a 71, it did neck dive.

My 64 was an EB-0F, short scale. It didn't neck dive.

[Granny Gremlin]

Well the EBOF is heavier in the body due to the Maestro fuzz circuit - easily heavier then the volume of mahogany removed to accommodate it. 

To be clear, my EB3 doesn't dive either.... just always feels like it's about to go, and occasionally if you tilt or bend the wrong way, it might go.  Enuf to worry since headstock breaks are a concern.

Anyway, there's enough variation in weight (density) within a given species to account for 2 opposing anecdotes.

I mostly play in mid sized bars in Halifax , and frequently am not going into the board . So I've got to fill the room (and lug the stuff around)
Mostly playing blues and roots stuff , double on upright and electric . Not super loud .
Rarely use the line out on my amp , never carry a DI .
Looking at that new Mesa amp though , despite being already pretty much amped up .

Fair enuf.  I use it mostly for recording so as not to bleed into the drums but still get amp sound.  Was planning to carry it live bc sound guys insist on DI here... except when there isn't one which happens occasionally.

[Dave W]

Well the EBOF is heavier in the body due to the Maestro fuzz circuit - easily heavier then the volume of mahogany removed to accommodate it. 

I doubt that. A Maestro FZ-1 probably weighs less than a pound in a metal enclosure, the components inside an EB-0F even less.

To be clear, my EB3 doesn't dive either.... just always feels like it's about to go, and occasionally if you tilt or bend the wrong way, it might go.  Enuf to worry since headstock breaks are a concern.

Anyway, there's enough variation in weight (density) within a given species to account for 2 opposing anecdotes.

Agreed. There are too many reports of EB-0/EB-3 and SG guitar neck dive to ignore.

[amptech]

I doubt that. A Maestro FZ-1 probably weighs less than a pound in a metal enclosure, the components inside an EB-0F even less.

Can't say I notice much difference between my '63 EBOF and my '65 EB3 - even the combined pair weighs less than my '74 P!

[ilan]

I wonder if slotheads have less dive because of the smaller/lighter tuners.

[Granny Gremlin]

Are they lighter though?  I could see that going either way.

[Dave W]

The slotheads have one less fret and the slots would make it lighter but I believe the headstock is longer.

[gearHed289]

Are they lighter though?  I could see that going either way.

Yeah, I'm not really sure an M4 is lighter than, what are the others, Kluson? They're small, but the "key" part is very thick. I'll have to break out the old triple beam scale. 

[ilan]

Are they lighter though?  I could see that going either way.

From what I found, old Schaller M4's are 68g (new ones are 42g), and Schaller BM's are 89g. That's 1/4 less - even five M4's (the old, heavier type) still weigh less than four BM's.