Two men and a Ric ...

Started by uwe, October 12, 2012, 05:05:46 AM

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#30
October 17, 2012, 06:45:41 PM Last Edit: October 18, 2012, 07:53:09 AM by uwe
Case closed was to mean "I've made my point", Steve, not to curtail discussion. And I'm not saying that Cozy is to blame for Rainbow's relative commercial misfortunes (they didn't do badly, just not as good as DP before or - post-reunion -after them), I'm just saying that his heavy-handed drumming took all the roll out of Rainbow, not that the fans minded, Rainbow Rising is still a fan favorite today. Blackmore was more than happy with Powell's drumming and knew what he was getting. Powell was never messy, I grant him that, but his muscular and machine-like playing made Rainbow sound outright teutonic in comparison to Purple. Maybe that is why Rainbow was more popular in Germany than anywhere else!

There is nothing playful in how Powell drummed, I always missed that.
We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

Denis

#31
October 17, 2012, 07:27:41 PM
Quote from: uwe on October 17, 2012, 06:45:41 PM
Maybe that is why Rainbow was more popular in Germany than anywhere else!

Lots of bands were more popular in Germany. Maybe Germans are less discriminating!  ;D
Why did Salvador Dali cross the road?
Clocks.

ack1961

#32
October 17, 2012, 10:15:17 PM
Quote from: Denis on October 17, 2012, 07:27:41 PM
Lots of bands were more popular in Germany. Maybe Germans are less discriminating!  ;D

is this a good time to bring up David Hasselhoff?
Have Fun.  Be Nice.  Mean People Suck.

uwe

#33
October 18, 2012, 07:55:54 AM Last Edit: October 18, 2012, 09:46:10 AM by uwe
Quote from: Denis on October 17, 2012, 07:27:41 PM
Lots of bands were more popular in Germany. Maybe Germans are less discriminating!  ;D

Naw, but we tend to stick to things until the bitter end.




And our inherent need for Ordnung lets us get impatient quickly with sloppy bands which is why Mott the Hoople, Led Zeppelin and Cheap Trick, to name three, never climbed the heights here as in countries where neatness of construction has been long lost along the way.  :-*

But we appreciate meticulous nerdness when we see it which is why I had a great time on Tuesday night watching two Californians - Messrs Ronald and Russell Mael - performing excerpts from their ouevre on the "Two Hands - One Mouth" tour sans any backing band.





And it's even proper to post it all here since their bassist sometimes plays a Ric!  :mrgreen:



We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

clankenstein

#34
October 18, 2012, 02:31:05 PM
thats a great video for dick around.
Louder bass!.

uwe

#35
October 18, 2012, 02:54:04 PM Last Edit: October 18, 2012, 03:05:08 PM by uwe
The Maels are one of a kind and brilliant, yet the US - even in more intellectual music loving circles - has disowned them. Even when they are apparently lightweight, they're smart:



You have no idea what you are missing lyrically too (not to mention the Gershwinesque music):

"All I do now is dick around,
All I do now is dick around, dick around

Every day, every day, every day
Every night, every night, every night
Every day, every day, every day, every day, every day
Every night, every night, every night, every night, every night

Overtime, more overtime,
I'm conscientious by design
To reach the heights of academe
To be the captain of the team
To CEO a thousand who
will do the things I say to do
And I will make a lot of bread
And you will find me good in bed
I will push, I will pull, I will push, I will pull
Pull a couple strings and find myself atop the corporation

Tailored to the maximum,
I send another fax to them
A parking place, a new Corvette,
a manicure, a private jet,
A stock incentive busting out,
"A phone call, sir." Well, say I'm out.
"Your lady friend." Well, put it through.
(SHE:) "Uh, listen, dear, I'm through with you."
(SHE:) "Through with you, through with you, through with you, through with you."
Yes, I think I got the point and bang, there goes my motivation
What to do, what to do, what to do, what to do,
All that I can think of was "I'm tendering my resignation."
But, all I do now is dick around
All I do now, is dick around, dick around

All I do now is dick around, when the sun goes up and the moon comes out
When the leaves are green and the leaves are brown
All I do now is dick around
I've got so much to do, gotta pick things up, gotta see things through
My, how the time does fly, gotta wave hello to a passerby
All I do now is dick around, when the sun goes up and the moon comes out
When the leaves are green and the leaves are brown
All I do now is dick around
I've got so much do
Gotta pick things up, gotta see things through
My how the time does fly, Gotta wave hello to a passerby
All I do now is dick around, when the sun goes up and the moon comes out
When the leaves are green and the leaves are brown All I do now is dick around

Think about the recent past
The cynics said too good to last
But she could change her mind again
Oh, no, this movie said "The End"
So I will go about my day
Just dicking round, my metier
And realize that life is change
And furniture to rearrange

Why the hell, why the hell, why the hell, why the hell?
Why the hell did she desert you when you were so influential?
Why the hell, why the hell, why the hell, why the hell?
Why did she desert you when you told her she was so essential?

Pull yourself up off the ground
You've started liking being down

The persecution feels cool
The subtle feel of garden tools
But what about that other life
'Cause this is more an afterlife
Seducing you each night and day
You're never gonna break away
Look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me,
Knowing that from now on what you do is strictly non-essential
Look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me,
Knowing that from now on no one wonders if you've got potential

All I do is dick around, the sun goes up and the moon goes down
The leaves are green the leaves are brown
And all I do is dick around
Why the hell, why the hell, why the hell, why the hell?
Why the hell did she desert you when you were so influential?
Why the hell, why the hell, why the hell, why the hell?
Why did she desert you when you told her she was so essential?

But all I do now, is dick around All I do now is dick around, dick around
Every day, every day, every day, every day, every day
Every night, every night, every night, every night, every night
Every day, every day, every day, every day, every day
Every night, every night, every night, every night, every night
Every day, every day, every day, every day, every day
Every night, every night, every night, every night, every night

But all I do now is dick around All I do now is dick around, dick around

And all I do now is dick around
All I do now is dick around, dick around

Then I got the late-night call,
(SHE:) "I really miss you after all"
"I had a fling and that is all,
"A stupid fling, then hit the wall."
"So take me, take me, take me back."
"I love the way you scratched my back."

(HE:) Well, there is something you should know."
(HE:) We might not be simpatico."

All I do now, is dick around
All I do now, is dick around

(SHE:) "I don't care what you do, dick around, I will too."
(SHE:) "I don't care what you do, I'll dick around next to you."

But all I do now, is dick around

All I do now, is dick around
Dick around"
We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

Chris P.

#36
October 25, 2012, 02:13:27 AM
A bit late. Roger does sounds better, but I love the playing of Hughes. A bit sloppy but it has soul.

uwe

#37
October 25, 2012, 06:40:58 AM
Yeah, Glenn is an "attitude" player.
We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...

exiledarchangel

#38
November 22, 2012, 06:03:04 AM
Quote from: uwe on October 18, 2012, 07:55:54 AM


And our inherent need for Ordnung lets us get impatient quickly with sloppy bands



And what exactly Ordnung has to do with rock'n'roll? :P
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4stringer77

#39
November 23, 2012, 09:43:44 PM
Glenn and Roger both sound simultaneously drunk and high on coke. I always admired what Nicky Simper did in MKI. Such a nice clean and in the pocket 60's pop fender p bass sound. Love that version of Help.
Contrary to what James Bond says, a good Gibson should be stirred, not shaken.

4stringer77

#40
November 24, 2012, 08:09:12 AM
Mind you, personal health effects aside, drunk and high isn't necessarily a bad thing. Lord knows (not John) in the pantheon of rock there have been many a great bassline recorded under those influences. I just meant they sounded both sloppy and at times rushing.
Contrary to what James Bond says, a good Gibson should be stirred, not shaken.

godofthunder

#41
November 26, 2012, 12:07:19 PM
 Hands down Roger Glover gets my vote!
Maker of the Badbird Bridge, "intonation without modification" for your vintage Gibson Thunderbird

weekend warrior

#42
November 26, 2012, 07:41:30 PM
I thought Cozys drumming on slide it in Kicks complete and total ass!His subtle kick drum changes alone in the title track are beyond tasteful.The Paice,bonham,thing has always been the inigma.To me its like comparing apples and oranges.Both tasty and appealing.No one grooves like Bonham! period!Ian is a flat out monster!Extremely fast and can swing like nobodys business.And for my last two cents worth.Geezer butler is far from sloppy.He has great feel and is very smooth as well. Its his choice of tone that kinda defeats the purpose.Oh and one Vote for Roger glover! :mrgreen:
Life is like a big fan.And sometimes the CACA hits it!

uwe

#43
December 04, 2012, 01:26:47 PM Last Edit: December 05, 2012, 09:04:46 AM by uwe
Quote from: 4stringer77 on November 23, 2012, 09:43:44 PM
Glenn and Roger both sound simultaneously drunk and high on coke. I always admired what Nicky Simper did in MKI. Such a nice clean and in the pocket 60's pop fender p bass sound. Love that version of Help.

Simper was a busy-buoyant bassist and his lines on the first three DP albums are nice, melodic and memorable, without being too difficult to play. But his style of both McCartneyish and (then) traditional bass playing was deemed "too rock'n'roll" (in a fifties sense) by Paice and Blackmore so he got the boot. I like what he does on the bridge here at 1.18, stuff that would get you kicked out of any studio today in no time:



Both Nick Simper and Jon Lord had played with one-hit-wonders and Beach Boys rip-offers The Flower Pot Men prior to DP and while they did not play on the recording of this song



that "flats with a pick" click bass sound (with best regards from Bert Kaempfert!) obviously stuck with Nick all through his tenure with Purple. But it wasn't a seventies rock sound (though it hung around long enough in pop, think of some of the Carpenters releases in the early seventies), in came Roger Glover with also a P Bass (initially) but roundwounds and a much darker and more sustained, less ploppy sound (he played with fingers too initially, moving to pick only later on). It's what Blackers heard in his head (or on the first and second Led Zep album!, whose influence on them DP have never denied).

We've taken too much for granted ... and all the time it had grown ...
From techno seeds we first planted ... evolved a mind of its own ...
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