A very odd Gibson bass on Reverb..

Psycho Bass Guy · March 31, 2020, 09:04:42 PM

Carvin and Keisel split in 2015, and Carvin Audio shut down all US production of audio gear with their factory closure in 2017. They're still around, but like most of Peavey, selling overseas made product OEM'ed to their name.

Dave W · March 31, 2020, 09:15:32 PM

https://www.kieselguitars.com/

https://carvinaudio.com/

Basvarken · April 01, 2020, 02:31:31 PM

Thank you for explaining Dave. I didn't know what exactly happened to Carvin.

Dave W · April 01, 2020, 04:11:35 PM

Looks like Carvin Audio doesn't have much for guitarists and bassists any more.

Chris P. · April 02, 2020, 03:03:51 AM

I think Kiesel is quite big in the US? Like a bigger smalll brand? At the NAMM they have quite a big booth and it's always very, very crowded.

Dave W · April 02, 2020, 10:11:58 PM

Quote from: Chris P. on April 02, 2020, 03:03:51 AM
I think Kiesel is quite big in the US? Like a bigger smalll brand? At the NAMM they have quite a big booth and it's always very, very crowded.

It's hard to say, since they only sell online and in their factory showroom.

slinkp · April 03, 2020, 11:48:05 AM

Did we mention them in the lawsuit thread?

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QuoteWhen you get a cease and desist letter almost 40 years after your model comes out... (p.s. their trademark was fulfilled in 1995, our model came out in 1986)

Dave W · April 03, 2020, 07:36:09 PM

Quote from: slinkp on April 03, 2020, 11:48:05 AM
Did we mention them in the lawsuit thread?

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I can't remember if we did, but I'm aware that Jeff Kiesel has said he'll fight Gibson if they're sued.

ajkula66 · April 07, 2020, 10:38:24 PM

Well, the listing for the bass has ended, it's not marked as having sold. I guess we'll find out about its fate at different time...

OldManC · April 08, 2020, 10:21:29 AM

Quote from: slinkp on April 03, 2020, 11:48:05 AM
Did we mention them in the lawsuit thread?

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I'm not defending Gibson's boneheaded moves, but the younger Keisel matches them with his boneheaded claims there. Paul Stanley was playing a custom built offset V in 1973 (made by Charlie LoBue), so I'm not sure how his dad could have "designed in the mid 80s." Not to mention Randy Rhoads and Grover Jackson's 1981 builds, which added the bevel and had the elongated wing.

Basvarken · April 08, 2020, 01:04:21 PM

Agreed! That Kiesel video made me cringe.

doombass · April 08, 2020, 04:53:59 PM

I get your points. This is what happens when you hastily use social media to steam off anger. Kiesel did'nt make a revolutionary original design with that offset V, but the actual point I guess they're trying to make is that it is obviously different from the Gibson V.

Dave W · April 08, 2020, 08:46:59 PM

Quote from: doombass on April 08, 2020, 04:53:59 PM
I get your points. This is what happens when you hastily use social media to steam off anger. Kiesel did'nt make a revolutionary original design with that offset V, but the actual point I guess they're trying to make is that it is obviously different from the Gibson V.

Exactly. No one is going to mistake it for a Gibson Flying V.

All of the variants - Carvin/Kiesel and the ones George mentions - were inspired by Gibson's Flying V, but inspiration doesn't infringe on Gibson's trademark, not to mention that Gibson's claims to their body shape trademarks are dubious since they were applied for long after copies were on the market.