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The Outpost Cafe / Re: Dickey Betts, RIP
« Last post by uwe on April 20, 2024, 07:02:01 AM »
I got to know the Dickey Betts sans Duane-version of the Allmans with Jessica and Ramblin’ Man long before I heard the Fillmore recordings. Based on that listening experience, they were to me first and foremost a country rock band writing jaunty songs in major keys, I heard that improvisational stuff only much, much later. So I always thought that Dickey Betts was the de facto leader and musical director. While Gregg Allman was out of it most of the time.

And I don’t think that album with Cher was awful (just unremarkable), I even own some obscure CD version of it from South America, I don’t think it was ever officially released digitally. With the number of mostly younger men she’s had, Cher must have undeniable qualities. You can’t beat experience.
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The Outpost Cafe / Re: Bands Whose Early Albums Stand Out
« Last post by Basvarken on April 20, 2024, 07:00:47 AM »
I'm trying hard to think of a band whose later albums stand out. Can't think of any.  ;D

Somehow they all seem to have used all their gunpowder on the first few. And for the rest of their careers fans want to hear those songs. No matter how much effort they put into new albums.



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The Outpost Cafe / Re: Bands Whose Early Albums Stand Out
« Last post by Rob on April 20, 2024, 06:57:05 AM »
Funny I completely agree.  Personally, I think those acts that are lucky enough to have good production seem to have more mojo on their earliest works.  I attribute that to having a lifetime of training or angst versus being forced to produce on a timeline.
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The Outpost Cafe / Bands Whose Early Albums Stand Out
« Last post by westen44 on April 20, 2024, 12:50:03 AM »
I've been thinking about this point since I saw an Allman Brothers documentary today.  I mentioned this on another thread.  This is just subjective and reflects how I personally feel about the issue.  Also, I might preface this by naming two bands important to me that actually seemed to get better in time.  That would be the Beatles and Golden Earring. 

But this is my personal list of bands I've listened to a lot and I like their early albums the most.  This is in no particular order. 

1.  The Jimi Hendrix Experience.  I've mentioned this before several times, but I actually once had to leave a forum just because I liked Hendrix's early albums and the majority of people did not.  Specifically, that would be Are You Experienced and Axis: Bold As Love.  You would not believe how heated this issue can become with Hendrix fans.

2.  Muse started a little slow; that is true.  But quickly they came out with some outstanding albums.  They reached a peak with Absolution and Black Holes and Revelations. their third and fourth albums. Their last two albums especially are so bad, I hardly even know what to say. 
Creatively, they now seem to be a band disintegrating, IMO. 

4. ZZ Top.  In the early years, I considered ZZ Top to be pretty interesting.  I guess the 80s might have killed them.  But the 80s killed a number of bands, including the next band on the list. 

5.  The Allman Brothers.  I've discussed some of this already on the other thread. I loved their first few albums.  But by the late 70s and especially early 80s their music had turned into a wasteland for a while.  As the years progressed, they regained their composure, more or less.  I've got most of their CDs.  But I'll always like their early albums the best. 

6.  Grand Funk Railroad.  I know a lot of people probably disagree.  But by the time of We're An American Band I probably couldn't even call myself a fan anymore.  And what about the album several albums later?  Born To Die.  Can't a band think of a better album cover than to put themselves in caskets on the cover?  That's just outright macabre.  It might have been better if more songs could have been like track 3 "Sally."  That was written about Mark Farner's involvement with the actress Sally Kellerman.  From what I've read, I think they must have had some wild times.

7.  Rolling Stones.  My attitude toward the Stones is just based on my own peculiar taste.  I realize that.  Objectively, I know this can't even be proven.  But I began to lose interest in the Stones after Let It Bleed.  For a while there, they were definitely one of my favorite bands.  But their earliest albums had really gotten through to me in a special way which could never be equaled.

This really is just a partial list.  But there are the bands which come to mind now.  My own theory is that people tend to be more creative when they're younger.  Their best music may end up being their earliest music.  Plus, sometimes you can simply just start running out of good songs.  But I'm sure some people would be able to list many bands Whose best music came later on.  In fact, logically it seems that might be what would be expected to happen.  But for me personally with the bands that I really liked, it often seems that they kind of sputtered out--to put it bluntly.  Once again, the Beatles are the most striking exception to my point of bands having their best albums early.  In their case, they just got progressively better, except for Let It Be which did a great job of displaying just how human the Beatles could actually be.  "

Now that I've got this off my chest, I can focus on the Runaways.  Because I don't even have any of their music.  But today I got "The Runaways:  Neon Angels On the Road to Ruin 1976-1978."  5 CD box set. 



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The Outpost Cafe / Re: So, what have you been listening to lately?
« Last post by ajkula66 on April 19, 2024, 05:28:43 PM »
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The Outpost Cafe / Re: Dickey Betts, RIP
« Last post by ajkula66 on April 19, 2024, 05:27:26 PM »
I favour the original line-up, and the early records. Prefer D.A. to D.B. but...had the latter only written "In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed" that would've been enough for me to hold him in the highest regard...
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The Outpost Cafe / Re: So, what have you been listening to lately?
« Last post by westen44 on April 19, 2024, 04:36:41 PM »
Great video.  Also nice to have Pete Brown's comments. 
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The Outpost Cafe / Re: Dickey Betts, RIP
« Last post by westen44 on April 19, 2024, 04:06:17 PM »
Yes, it was Dickey's idea to do the dual stuff.  By coincidence an Allman Brothers documentary came on earlier in the day which flooded me with info.  It made me realize that at least some of what I posted even on this thread was based on my subjective view of it all.  If you look at it objectively, there may be a different way to put things. 

It got me to thinking how I tend to focus on the earliest albums of a band.  My perception of them is often based on that.  Often it seems to me a band's best albums are the early ones.  Of course there are many exceptions.  But for me personally, it turns out that way a lot.  Certainly for me I liked the early Allman Brothers the best.  And it wasn't just because Duane Allman was there.  It had more to do with the songs themselves.  Those were just killer songs to me.  The band itself ended pretty impressively with a virtuoso like Derek Trucks on guitar.  But it ended that way only after going through many ups and downs, mostly downs it seems.  Among many other things, for instance, who would have dreamed that Gregg Allman at one point would become a laughingstock due to his marriage with Cher.  I think everyone on earth regretted that that happened.  The documentary did a good job in presenting the ugliness of that. 
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The Outpost Cafe / Re: Dickey Betts, RIP
« Last post by uwe on April 19, 2024, 10:17:57 AM »
I think that arranging that dual stuff was mainly Dickey’s do. Don’t believe that Duane bothered much with the circle of fifths.  8)
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The Outpost Cafe / Re: Dickey Betts, RIP
« Last post by patman on April 19, 2024, 10:09:15 AM »
I really liked how both Duane and Dickey soloed like jazz horn players
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