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#1
Quote from: Dave W on September 08, 2018, 01:40:17 PM
Now I know who you are at TB, since Carlo told me who contacted him on Christine's behalf.

This is useful information, but it doesn't change the fact that Carlo had no idea that posting the link would upset her; he didn't know why she left (and obviously a number of others didn't -- I did some reading over there), so his request to hear it directly from Christine was quite reasonable. He then removed the link, only to be attacked here after he had done it. She demanded that he speak publicly "or sod off" (which she had no right to do), so he posted his PM, which she then reported, adding a personal attack on Carlo. I had already removed those posts a couple of minutes before I got the report.

I'm obviously not privy to what happened by PM at Talkbass, but based on some of what she said privately to Uwe and me about the situation here, I have my doubts about how scathing it was. Regardless, no one harassed her here.

She started this thread here the same day she started it at TB, not after she left TB. She wasn't posting here to get away from TB. She started an identical thread at the UK site the same day and was still posting there as of yesterday. That's the opposite of wanting to live your life quietly and privately.
This isn't completely accurate either. When I first saw Carlo's post directing folks over here, I sent him the private message informing him of why she left TB, and why she didn't want to be found here. The entire chapter of this drama that occurred here, would've been avoided, and her build thread would be perking right along today with smiles all around, if Carlo would have pulled that posting when I sent him that message. I would think that the better way to have handled the posting that told people where they could find her, would have been to remove it until after checking with her to see if that was something she wouldn't mind him doing, since he was now aware that personal harassment was involved. That makes more sense to me than leaving it up for an unknowable period of time, thus giving the "harassor" plenty of time to see it. If his post was truly innocuous, and intended only to help... why would he not remove it until speaking with her about it? I don't know... but I learned long ago not to ask, "why", when Carlo is involved with something. He typically has his reasons, and will share them if/when he feels like it (it's worth noting that I respect the hell out of Carlo, and hate that any of this occurring at all).

I knew that she had started her build thread here before all this began... but most of the folks at TB didn't. We were able to enjoy 2-3 days here at the LBO before the excrement hit the turbine. That's all she wanted... a place to hang out & talk gear without being harassed, just like the rest of us.

I think something that's been a bit distorted throughout all of this, is the fact that the original conversation that started the ruckus at TB, was "privacy on the internet". When she quit TB, it wasn't over the subject matter. It was over the private message(s) she received. The topic of conversation could have been pizza or cars or anything else, and it wouldn't have made any difference. It was about the PM.
#2
Quote from: dadagoboi on September 08, 2018, 01:29:50 PM


Who gave YOU the right to forward my personal messages?  A simple notifying her of my exact innocuous PUBLIC TB post would have been sufficient.  Instead, as a a result of your forwarding a PRIVATE MESSAGE, she attacked me, challenging me with "come forward or sod off." So I did. And then she did.

No,it's not easy to see why a late middle aged adult is incapable of dealing rationally with harassment.  It happened to me on TB, I reported it to the mods, they cleaned up the thread and suspended the member (also a member here BTW) for six months.  Case closed.
When I first saw the post you'd put up over at TB directing folks over here to her build thread, I first sent a message to Christine informing her about it, then sent you the message in which I explained what had gone on, why Christine had left, why she didn't want certain people to find her, and asked you to consider removing it. You responded by saying (in a nutshell) that if she wanted the post removed, she needed to ask you herself. It was wrong of me to copy & paste a private message & send it to her, and for that, I sincerely apologize. I had no idea what her relationship with you was like, and surely didn't expect her to blow up like she did.

Her way of "rationally dealing with harassment", was to leave TB & come over to the LBO without leaving a trail of breadcrumbs. You rolled out the red carpet & put up a flashing neon sign leading right to her. If you can't understand why that was displeasing to her... there's nothing that can ever be said, that will make you understand. I'm certainly not saying she handled it appropriately... but I sure as hell understand it.
#3
Quote from: Dave W on September 08, 2018, 10:17:15 AM
Christine had an identical thread to this one in the Luthier's Corner at Talkbass. Something was posted there on August 23/24 that she apparently reported, a the moderator removed the posts, but Christine closed her account there anyway. Nobody seems to know what the removed posts were about (if anyone here knows, please speak up).

Christine was also very active in the Thunderbird Club thread at Talkbass. Carlo innocently posted a link there to this thread, thinking that some of her fans would want to follow it. A couple of new members came here as a result. But Christine freaked out when she learned that Carlo had posted a link. He removed it when she asked him to, but that wasn't enough. She attacked him here, outed herself as a "trans girl" (her words) and then reported him. I removed those posts. She asked privately that I remove her account, and I obliged.

She thinks pointing people here was an invasion of her privacy and harassment. That's preposterous. She was posting here on a public forum, and a search for "The FireDragon Triplets" showed this thread as the second search result. On top of that, as of yesterday she's still posting in an identical thread at a UK bass site. If you really want privacy, then STFU.

Nobody here harassed her. She made a big deal over nothing. Based on what I know, I doubt she was harassed at TB either.

With all due respect... what you've just said is easy to conceive from what's been seen here, but it omits the most important events that lead to her leaving.

There was indeed a "dust up" over at TalkBass (the subject of which, was "privacy on the internet")... but what most folks don't know, is that the person she was tussling with, took things a step further, and sent Christine a scathing and threatening private message that was obviously effective at scaring her off. She left TB & came here, hoping to leave that mess behind. Then Carlo posted a link to her here. When I spotted it, I sent him a private message explaining all of this to him, to which he responded, "If she want's it removed, she can ask me herself". Given that she was no longer a member at TalkBass, I forwarded his message to her so that she would know to ask him to take it down. She then chose to drop the bomb over here, and disappear. At the root of the problem, is a character over in TalkBass, who has a very serious problem with the way she chooses to live her life. I think it should be fairly easy to see why emotions ran high, and why she's gone now.
#4
The Outpost Cafe / Re: Just sayin' howdy!
September 06, 2018, 09:47:22 AM
Quote from: Dave W on September 05, 2018, 05:16:54 PM
I don't need it, I have my own '71 slothead. :)
I'd like to join your ranks as a slothead owner... one day ;)
#5
The Outpost Cafe / Re: Just sayin' howdy!
September 05, 2018, 11:47:41 AM
Quote from: Dave W on September 05, 2018, 10:40:41 AM
Welcome aboard.

What about the slothead in your avatar?
Thanks!

I'll make no apologies. The avatar is purely pornography for my own pleasure (but if it works for you too, that's cool... I just don't need to know what you do with it) ;)
#6
The Outpost Cafe / Re: Just sayin' howdy!
September 05, 2018, 09:22:32 AM
Quote from: Basvarken on September 05, 2018, 08:21:33 AM
Welcome GildedSplinter and ComingUpRoses.
Nice to see our little Gibsonites community is still growing  ;)
See... I'm learnin' stuff already! I thought "Gibsonite" was the stuff they made their cases out of :mrgreen:
#7
The Outpost Cafe / Re: Just sayin' howdy!
September 05, 2018, 09:14:28 AM
Quote from: uwe on September 05, 2018, 02:29:04 AM
It's ok, we have other ex-drummers here (Polish ones from Canada - as if one of those traits wasn't already plenty!) and we're an inclusive bunch that will go to great lengths to overcome its preconceptions!  8)
I hope to make that easy for ya ;)
#8
The Outpost Cafe / Just sayin' howdy!
September 04, 2018, 10:54:33 PM
I played drums for about 15 years, during which time, I started fiddlin' around with the guitar. A couple medical issues forced my resignation from the drum throne, but I was able to enjoy playin' guitar for a few years before job, family, & the usual stuff sidelined me entirely. Another 15 years roles by, after which I ran into an old friend, and an opportunity to play bass dropped in my lap. It was exactly what I needed at the time! Unfortunately, the band blew up after only a handful of rehearsals, but it was long enough for me to get hooked! Unfortunately, I'm between amps at the moment... but here's what I'll plug in to whatever fills that void:

(... and I have no idea why the pic displays sideways) :P
#9
Quote from: slinkp on September 04, 2018, 12:03:18 PM
Are you gonna get Lulls from somewhere else or find something else?

Back in the day there were basically no vintage-style bird pickups available unless you lucked into a secondhand original or Chandler.
Now we have Lull, Thunderbucker, and those cheap Chinese ones, and maybe more that i'm forgetting? Times have changed!
My list of known Thunderbird pickup manufacturers includes Gibson/Epi, Lull, Lollar, ThunderBucker, Duncan, "China" (for lack of a better or more specific term), EMG, Bartolini, Nordstrand and Mojo Tone has a new one that I'm anxious to hear. This obviously doesn't include any of the custom shop hand-wound options that exist. :)
#10
I'm no luthier... but it seems to me that, since the pups themselves are housed entirely in the center neck-thru section, that wing making in advance shouldn't be a problem. Other than routing for wires, there's no other involvement between the pickups & the wings, is there?
#11
Absolutely MAGNIFICENT!!! I can't wait to see theses birds fly!