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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: godofthunder on December 07, 2015, 02:51:11 PM
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Holy undercut. Output seems a bit low, but geeze. http://www.ebay.com/itm/221951508372?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Did you look at their store? Looks like they have just about any pickup you'd want.
However: Item location:HongKong HK, United States
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They sell a lot of very cheap parts but also some name brands. The Thunderbird pickup is listed on their website under their own house brand. Could be okay, you never know until you hear it.
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Same as these we discussed a while ago
http://www.customworldguitarparts.com/default/pickups-pickup-parts/vintage-thunderbird-bass-pickup-chrome-for-gibson.html
I asked about the bridge and neck impedance values, but they only have one. They claim you can use this pickup for both neck and bridge position.
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Well...I bought one... should have arrived yesterday... tracking number is showing that it left New York 4 days ago... My buddy Jon Maye got his pair yesterday... PLUS...they include pickup Rings!!! Can't beat the Price!!!!! I'll let you all know how it sounds as soon as it arrives.
I mean...paying $200-$300 is Insane......
We have:
Seymour Duncan-$200
Jason Lollar-$200
Mike Lull-$289
Thunderbucker-$175
Mojopickups in the UK-$112
How much are you willing to spend???
$50 sounds like a deal!!! But NO ONE...NO ONE will ever be like the Chandlers....they were DEAD ON EXACT...I Mean EXACT replicas......and they were about $40.00.....
I could go on about each of the above in detail about what is NOT exact...like certain radius's on the top edge and side edge of the covers...wrinkles in covers.....base plates...wire used..thickness of covers and thickness of baseplates....placement of holes in baseplate...but it's not important.
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Quite like the look of those! My Tokai T-bird has the Teflon pickups.
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Well...I bought one... should have arrived yesterday... tracking number is showing that it left New York 4 days ago... My buddy Jon Maye got his pair yesterday... PLUS...they include pickup Rings!!! Can't beat the Price!!!!! I'll let you all know how it sounds as soon as it arrives.
I mean...paying $200-$300 is Insane......
We have:
Seymour Duncan-$200
Jason Lollar-$200
Mike Lull-$289
Thunderbucker-$175
Mojopickups in the UK-$112
How much are you willing to spend???
$50 sounds like a deal!!! But NO ONE...NO ONE will ever be like the Chandlers....they were DEAD ON EXACT...I Mean EXACT replicas......and they were about $40.00.....
I could go on about each of the above in detail about what is NOT exact...like certain radius's on the top edge and side edge of the covers...wrinkles in covers.....base plates...wire used..thickness of covers and thickness of baseplates....placement of holes in baseplate...but it's not important.
well....Tracking # says they FINALLY arrived in Chicago... Hopefully tomorrow???????
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:popcorn:
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Well...I bought one... should have arrived yesterday... tracking number is showing that it left New York 4 days ago... My buddy Jon Maye got his pair yesterday... PLUS...they include pickup Rings!!! Can't beat the Price!!!!! I'll let you all know how it sounds as soon as it arrives.
I mean...paying $200-$300 is Insane......
We have:
Seymour Duncan-$200
Jason Lollar-$200
Mike Lull-$289
Thunderbucker-$175
Mojopickups in the UK-$112
How much are you willing to spend???
$50 sounds like a deal!!! But NO ONE...NO ONE will ever be like the Chandlers....they were DEAD ON EXACT...I Mean EXACT replicas......and they were about $40.00.....
I could go on about each of the above in detail about what is NOT exact...like certain radius's on the top edge and side edge of the covers...wrinkles in covers.....base plates...wire used..thickness of covers and thickness of baseplates....placement of holes in baseplate...but it's not important.
I don't think those prices are too high for American made pickups with a limited market.
You care about exact specs of the originals, that's fine. I wouldn't.
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I do care when it comes to restoration...can't be properly restored if it's Not exact...if it's a New or custom build I'd go with Thunderbuckers, or Mike Lulls or Jason Lollar...
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Subscribed for a review ;)
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Got it today... So far...sounds great..Identical to a 1960's Bird... need to try it through a Big amp to know for sure...but it did sound stellar....you May need to wax pot them.. I did that today....GREAT deal!!!!!!
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Thanks! Is it okay to ask for soundclips? ;)
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Got it today... So far...sounds great..Identical to a 1960's Bird... need to try it through a Big amp to know for sure...but it did sound stellar....you May need to wax pot them.. I did that today....GREAT deal!!!!!!
Nice. I have been thinking about buying a couple of these for months. Guess I can tie that knot now.
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Just tried it through an early GK800rb and a vintage Orange reflex 2x15. Nice tone... sounds like a Real T bird pickup...better jump on these....
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Just tried it through an early GK800rb and a vintage Orange reflex 2x15. Nice tone... sounds like a Real T bird pickup...better jump on these....
Do they mount fine into "modern Gibson TBird routs? Mine is a 2008.
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I'm going to try one, what the hell have ya got to lose! Overseas stuff can really surprise you sometimes in a positive way. You just never know.
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Do they mount fine into "modern Gibson TBird routs? Mine is a 2008.
I don't see why it wouldn't.... the originals aren't as thick as the new black ones...
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Just bought a set.
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Guess I'm in for a few for:
Epi TB, Rondo TB(white one I kept), and MAYBE.......a silver glitter Daisy Rock bass that has soapbars that are VERY uneven across the strings(got it for looks and weight and blowout price).
The Greco 3 pickup Les Paul clones with their TB pickup sounds very close and the construction looks similar to these(humbucker with rails) except the Grecos are potted, no shoddy work on the covers, but no rings.
UPDATE: 1 is on its way here with more to follow. The Daisy Rock will be modded first since it is not useful in its current state.
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Well it's here, it certainly looks the part! I'll get some pictures up. I think it's going in my Epi Classic Pro.
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How long did delivery take?
Ordered a few for south Texas.
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It took about a week to get here. I installed it yesterday, quality bit of work. It has a nice long lead, braided ground and black cloth covered hot. I have to say it sounds great through my practice amp. I can't post to this forum with my phone but I'll get pics and some video up soon.
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I just ordered two more :o
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Yeah, I bought a set a few weeks back. Took about a week to arrive to NYC area.
Look and sound like real 60s ones.....but the kicker is, they INCLUDE springs, screws AND THE MATCHING METAL RING AND SCREWS!!!
Seeing as most guys hit you for another $10 for a ring and $2 for screws, plus shipping....you are getting a good 60s repro PUP for essentially $35.
STOOOPID GOOD DEAL !!!! 😂😂. (Even though they bumped the price up to $50 from the original $45.)
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Did you guys order them from that Ebay address in HongKong? Or from that website that I posted earlier on?
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EBAY...China seller.
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What they sound like through a crappy practice amp.......................it's got the goods. Yes I know I need tech support. https://www.facebook.com/scott.dasson/videos/vb.505898414/10153824789728415/?type=2&theater¬if_t=video_comment
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Or you could pay and extra $300!!!
http://www.montreuxguitars.com/us/datalist/selectGoods.php?code=8763&brand1=Montreuxoriginalproducts&brand2=MontreuxPickups&cate1=PICKUPS&cate2=BASSPickups
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Ordered from the eBay account, 4 of them. The seller was kind enough to send them via a sped-up(EMS or DHL) shipping so they'd get here before Christmas, which would not have happened if he sent them postal.
Yes, it's a good deal and fretsonthenet is losing some business since this deal includes the rings & screws.
CHROMITIS ATTACK!!!
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Daddy O has had a bit to much but I dig this pup! https://www.facebook.com/scott.dasson/videos/vb.505898414/10153825991268415/?type=2&theater¬if_t=like
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Scott, aounds good so far, I'm waiting to see what all of you think after playing them through your main rigs.
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Sounds pretty damn good, eh??? But truly the pickup rings are based more on the 70's design...Mike Lull and Thunderbucker are the only guys who get the rings right.
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Scott, aounds good so far, I'm waiting to see what all of you think after playing them through your main rigs.
Mine's going into my short scale NR TB. We'll see how it performs.
As for the rings, I'm not married to the vintage specs on those.
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I'm going to get a pair of these for my Tokai once the Christmas rush is over I hope there is a pair left! The Ey Guitars ebay seller doesn't seem to appear on UK Ebay, but their standalone store seems to acknowledge UK pounds as a currency. A little odd, but I've bought a neck from them before today, so all is good.
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Box of pickups and rings showed up at my eBay PO Box yesterday(DHL!!!) but only had time to open the box, see GREAT packing job, all the rings, and the pickups since we had a gig 100 miles away last night(zombie day today). Should have time to check the fit on the basses these were bought for over the holidays and maybe get some installed.
Got to wondering how these would fit in the Ibanez SRX here since its pickups are sort of "generic" sounding......
PS: I'll check the fit of the rings on Greco T-Bird pickups also since some are still "naked" on the Greco Les Paul clones.
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Enjoy!!! Give us a full report!!!
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Still waiting for mine....Xmas mail log jam!
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I wonder if the seller is puzzled by the sudden burst of activity.
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Good Point Dave...I noticed he raised his price by $5.00......
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I ordered one about ten days ago and while reading your comments I didn't have the patience to wait with an added "out of stock" panic I ordered another one today. :) They will be installed to my Frankenstein long scale Hamer B12.
I ordered both from www.eyguitarmusic.com. 44 dollars with the ring.
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I ordered one about ten days ago and while reading your comments I didn't have the patience to wait with an added "out of stock" panic I ordered another one today. :) They will be installed to my Frankenstein long scale Hamer B12.
I ordered both from www.eyguitarmusic.com. 44 dollars with the ring.
$44 with the ring, but I'm sure you noticed that's a sale price. Regular price from the website is $66 with the ring. And shipping to the US is more expensive if ordered from their website (I realize you're a long way from the US).
If the eBay price goes up, I won't be surprised.
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With these pickups, what mods do you have to do to a modern T-bird to make them fit? The pickups look shallower than modern T-bird pickups. Is it a simple as gluing in some material into the existing pickup routes to get the pickups close enough to the strings, or is some deeper modding required? As I mentioned before, I want to put these in my Tokai T-bird, alongside a new wiring loom, and I want to have these pickups and the rings on the bass. The Tokai is similar to the Epiphone T-bird, except it has a Fender-style bridge. The pickups are those tall, black jobbies with the tapered ends and the texture on the top.
Apropos nothing in particular, I have installed those black Epiphone T-bird pickups in both an OLP Stingray and a Cort GB74 in the neck position and they sound great!
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$44 with the ring, but I'm sure you noticed that's a sale price. Regular price from the website is $66 with the ring. And shipping to the US is more expensive if ordered from their website (I realize you're a long way from the US).
If the eBay price goes up, I won't be surprised.
Yes, shipping (to the EU) is $9.50 (as opposed to $5 on ebay) and there's an additional "gateway fee" so it's a wash. Essentially the same price. I used ebay myself as there's some protection if it gets lost, etc.
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Ordered a pair for myself yesterday. I have no idea where they will wind up as yet, but I hate missing out on good deals.
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With these pickups, what mods do you have to do to a modern T-bird to make them fit? The pickups look shallower than modern T-bird pickups. Is it a simple as gluing in some material into the existing pickup routes to get the pickups close enough to the strings, or is some deeper modding required? As I mentioned before, I want to put these in my Tokai T-bird, alongside a new wiring loom, and I want to have these pickups and the rings on the bass. The Tokai is similar to the Epiphone T-bird, except it has a Fender-style bridge. The pickups are those tall, black jobbies with the tapered ends and the texture on the top.
Apropos nothing in particular, I have installed those black Epiphone T-bird pickups in both an OLP Stingray and a Cort GB74 in the neck position and they sound great!
I use strips of adhesive backed foam rubber (1/2 to 3/4" thick weather stripping from hardware store) to take up slack in pup routs. Easy mod, reversible.
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Greco does similar under their TB pickups
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That's exactly what I did.
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Ordered one too ...
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Daisy Rock bass, already a bling/audience eye-candy bass but sound is lame. The ring test pic shows a slight bit of routing to be done(EMGs were hard to get out, rings made 'em look better), and the other pic is to get a preview.....liking it.
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There is now a 9.2 K ohm pickup available, and you may notice that with the $5.00 increase in price now 6 screws for the pickup rings are included.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thunderbird-Bass-Pickup-Vitage-Sytle-for-Gibson-Chrome-Resistance-9-2K-/221979516651?hash=item33af029eeb:g:uJoAAOSwp5JWVtGE
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Interesting. Would that 9.2 K be best for bridge position? And the other for the neck position?
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Interesting. Would that 9.2 K be best for bridge position? And the other for the neck position?
Good question. Typically the bridge pickup is the hotter of the two, because it receives lower string amplitude. I seem to remember hearing that they weren't calibrated that way in the old days, though. The original ad does state that the 8k pickups were suited for either position.
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SHIT! I just bought another one...wish I had Seen this before!!!
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And the shipping has increased.
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SHIT! I just bought another one...wish I had Seen this before!!!
You can relax Baz, it wasn't there before. It is newly listed.
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Just asked the seller about how many of the 9.2's he's got. I'd rather install these once with the lower ohm pup at the neck and higher towards the bridge but the new auction/ad does not have a % sold for figuring out how many he's got. I'll pass it on when/if he replies.
I did buy pairs of the other ones but with this new "speed bump" in the planning of projects, I guess maybe other basses may get the leftover neck ones mixed with their stock pickup. When I get routing measurements figured from doing the Daisy Rock mods, I'll post them. They'll be needed anyway if another bass here needs fixing or a complete new route.
EDIT: No answer yet, just ordered 2 of the 9.2's.
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Placed another order - for a single 9.2k. Will pair that with one of the previously ordered 8ks and use the remaining 8k in an old Japanese P-Bass copy that has a chrome TB Plus in it now. Let the fun begin!
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Seller says they made about 70 of the 9.2K's "per customer request" so someone mentioned it and they actually listened. Imagine that!!??!!
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Wow!!!!
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Still waiting on my pair of 8K pickups. They are intended for my 08 Gibson TBird IV when they get here.
Has anyone mounted a set of 8K pickups in a TB IV yet?
What are they like? How much difference would a 9.2K make in the bridge position?
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Seller says they made about 70 of the 9.2K's "per customer request" so someone mentioned it and they actually listened. Imagine that!!??!!
Yep, he is responsive. Similarly, nickel versions in about a month! :mrgreen:
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Similarly, nickel versions in about a month! :mrgreen:
Haha, so we all bought the 8k chromes first. Then the 9.2 K chromes. And subsequently the nickel ones.
A goldmine! :mrgreen:
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But now you are forewarned :)
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Nickel ones wouild work very nicely for a project I have, very cool!
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Well there also are gold coloured pickup casings for sale on Ebay. I guess that would be an option too.
Although I wouldn't want those. 8)
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Hey, great to have options. Just remember how hard it was to find *anything* in these pickups not all that long ago...
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Finally got my order in. :mrgreen: Two T-bird pickups, with rings, are making their way to Edinburgh. The total cost came to $115.30, as I specified a slightly quicker delivery time and I ordered a ring with each pickup. I'm slightly frustrated that these didn't show up on Ebay if I went through the UK page, though I see that chap is selling empty pickup shells and rings again.
I'm guessing these are the lower resistance pickups, which works for me!
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Mine came in today too.
Now I'm going to have to decide which bass I'm putting them in.
Too bad the BaCHbirds are all sold out. Think I'll just order a Fenderbird from BaCH...
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So when do we get sound clips? Anyone? :)
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Only needed the one gold one and that's already in the PC now... ;)
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I just bought two of the 9.2k😆
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Only needed the one gold one and that's already in the PC now... ;)
Go back a few pages I posted two videos.
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I really really like these all the Thunderbird hallmarks are there, the sparkle and inherent overdrive. One thing that I always found with Thunderbird pickups is the notes on the upper register on the D and G string leap out and in that regard these pickups do not disappoint.
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One thing that I always found with Thunderbird pickups is the notes on the upper register on the D and G string leap out
Very true. Glad to hear these replicate that aspect.
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Nice find!
I've never been thrilled with the #3 wood screws used to mount Thunderbird pickups.
I have been thinking about a better way, and here is what I've come up with.
Using a 4-40 machine screw and an EZ Lok steel insert stability, adjustability, and longevity are all improved.
The insert is set into the wood using a screw and washer so it sits flush at the surface.
During installation, I use a washer at each end of the spring, so none of the compression force is pushing the insert's threads out of the wood.
All of the pressure is applied to the internal steel threads and the back of the pickup.
Surgical tubing allows the "spring" to be custom-sized for the application.
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I will be listing a Brand NEW 8k Crome one next wednesday when I receive it. I bought it for my embassy bass but fortunately I was able to find an original Chrome one for my restoration.
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I'll take yours Baz :)
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Go back a few pages I posted two videos.
Been trying to get to the vids, but Facebook keeps flipping me the bird (no pun intended). Do I have to be FB friends with you to see it or is there another link?
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Yes, there is another Link. And his name is Wray... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1vb1Q7Qr8
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Where's the like button...? :mrgreen:
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Yes, there is another Link. And his name is Wray... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB1vb1Q7Qr8
I am not sure, maybe. Send me a friend request if you want.
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Welcome!
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Welcome!
Locals and The Usual Suspects I see
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Locals and The Usual Suspects I see
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Wilkommen! ;)
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I presume this Gent is known to some of you reprobates...?
Welcome, Stranger in a not so Strange Land... :mrgreen:
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I presume this Gent is known to some of you reprobates...?
Welcome, Stranger in a not so Strange Land... :mrgreen:
Ah Heinlein...... must reread that one again. I am between John Connolly books. Resorting to political biographies at present. :bored:
Oh yes, there was a suggestion that a better class of discussion regarding Gibson basses could be had here.
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If you do grok that one, then ensure it's the uncut version... ;)
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A pair of the 9.2K's arrived today.
After day job time is already packed(NBD) but will try to get the meter out and check the 8's versus the 9.2's with a picture. Install work was on hold waiting for these.
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Welcome, indeed!
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I'm impressed with Eyguitarmusic's psychic capabilities. I've been away from my emails for a few days, and they asked whether I wanted an 8 K pickup or a 9.2 K pickup. A subsequent email indicated that my pickups were shipped, without me confirming what I was after. I asked them today if indeed they had shipped, or if I could specify 'one of each'. They promptly responded five minutes later telling me they had indeed shipped me one of each already!
I'm going to use the 9.2 K in the bridge and the 8 K in the neck position of my Tokai 'bird. Anybody want to see a modding thread when I get round to it? I'm going to make a new wiring loom for the bass as well.
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"Wiring loom" - very British! Please, please say "scratch plate" and "lorry" too!
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Do you call it a wiring harness?
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Naw, I call it "Kabelbaum" (pronounced: car-belle-bowm). :mrgreen:
The natives from your former tax-dodging colony call it "wiring harness", but look what they have done to alumin(i)um too!
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We have Aluminium in Australia, but wiring harnesses. Mostly pick guards, but sometimes scratch plates (except on ES 335 basses).
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I say Chaps, the Post Office lorry delivered my 8k pick-up fresh kin from the Old Colony today, much to my delight, but one will not need to alter the scratch-plate on the Jazz as one has already discarded it in favour of a cleaner look on the old jalopy; but as one does not believe in all this tone-control nonsense one will not need much in the way of a wiring loom; it's all in the finger-tips, don't-cha-know... ;)
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You Scots are sounding too English.
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Chur.
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You Scots are sounding too English.
FIT?
Awa' an bile yer heid, min!
So ah'm playing ma bass at a gig an' 'is loon saunters up tae me and sais "fit wye de ye play a Gibson bass? Ah heard they wir gash." Weel, ah'm nae een tae back awa' fae a debate but kennin' ah'm spikkin' tae a payin' customer, ah tak's it easy on the boy. "Weel, ye heard wrang. Ye'll ken foo wrang ye are fan ye hear me play". So ah plays ma set and efter the boy comes bak' up tae me, lookin' a' sheepish. "Aht wis brilliant, min! Fit bass! Fit soun'! Ah'm awa' hame tae brak' up ma' Fenders and chuck 'em on the fire", he sais. "Weel", sais I, "ye dinna hae tae dae that min, fit wye nae try baith an' see fit ye like the best? Let's hae a beer an' nae mind that we ivver hid this conversation."
I can switch it on and off. You should hear me and my dad when I go home to the 'shire. To be fair, I rarely write in it, so it's probably horrible and phonetic, and my sincere apologies to those who know much better than me.
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You Scots are sounding too English.
I'm half English and Highlander is a White McSettler... not a good start. 8)
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Ken might be headed for Scottish nationality, but that is better than being beheaded for Scottish nationality.
(http://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/naziprison/images/esca_mary_l.jpg)
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Ken might be headed for Scottish nationality, but that is better than being beheaded for Scottish nationality.
Heid loppit richt aff! Tatties ower the side!
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Ordered mine on Dec. 14th via eBay. Still not here yet. Seller asks me to be patient, tracking says it's still in transit. I hope so! :-\ Based on reviews, i want to order more.
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Scots are easy to understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoBk8bxU1rs
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Oh man, I wanna go back to Scotland so bad... what a beautiful country. I never got up north, only Edinburgh, Glasgow, and the Isle of Arran.
The difference in regional accent between Edinburgh and Glasgow was surprising to my American ears: Edinburgh sounded like American English with a few odd vowels thrown in; Glasgow ... everyone I met seemed so friendly, but I was constantly embarrassed by not understanding a word anyone said!
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That's a very successful clip. I think I understood a total of two words!
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Oh man, I wanna go back to Scotland so bad... what a beautiful country. I never got up north, only Edinburgh, Glasgow, and the Isle of Arran.
The difference in regional accent between Edinburgh and Glasgow was surprising to my American ears: Edinburgh sounded like American English with a few odd vowels thrown in; Glasgow ... everyone I met seemed so friendly, but I was constantly embarrassed by not understanding a word anyone said!
Try the Doric up in NE Scotland for size sometime - twenty different words for tractor and fifty different words for drunk ;)
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I presume this Gent is known to some of you reprobates...?
Welcome, Stranger in a not so Strange Land... :mrgreen:
Thank you kind Sir, glad to be here!
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I loved it! So now I know what some my ancestors sounded like. ;D
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Hmm white mcsettler, ya wee sassenach... :mrgreen:
Used to converse with an old soldier who lived in Peterculter who was fluent in Doric... helped me out no end with my Chindit research...
And as for Uwe's comment he closer than you might think, as the reason my family ended up Hebridean was due to being on the wrong side of a wee battle that took place in 1746, not being very far from where I sit and those men in Red wanting to separate the head from the shoulders of my ancestor, amongst several other nasty things first...
I've always perceived myself to be of Island descent and I know what's in my heart... my nationality is just an accident of birth, unless anyone wants to think of Spike Milligan or Cliff Richards as being Indian, as that's where they were both born... :P
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Reminds me of a holiday I had in a place called Gardenstown when I was a kid. Gardenstown is pronounced 'Gamerie by the locals, and the neighbouring fishing village of Crovie was pronounced everything from 'Crivvie' to 'Crowvie' by the locals there; it changed depending on who you asked.
I went for a walk with my father one evening and passed by two old men speaking broad Doric, sitting on a bench. They looked up at us and said an entire sentence of something. Neither of us understood a word, so mumbled our good evenings and went on our way.
I'm quite pleased to see the 'Taysiders in Space' video posted up on here, complete with the correct title. I've seen copies of that called anything from "Irish Star Trek" to "Glasgow Star Trek". I work next to a Taysider, and some of the jokes are lost on her. I guess the overall joke is that Taysiders are seen as somewhat backward and parochial in nature. Some of the slang may be wide of the mark even. "Set phasers to Malky" refers to the slang term Malky (Malcolm Frazer, aka razor) which is more Glaswegian than anything.
Ye’ve hee-haw chance o getting’ yer hole, yer an android, ye’ve kak all nob!
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Just got my first 8K. Very impressed - it looks and sounds awfully close. Pickup ring is a little off compared to '60s originals (corners being more squared) but that's a minor point. Awesome deal on these.
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Just got my 9.2k - received it before the 8ks, which were ordered a week earlier. :o
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Heid loppit richt aff! Tatties ower the side!
I toured a lot with an act where, band and crew, I was the only non Glaswegian, so I got pretty good at unnerstannin it, but there always came a point , about 4 pints into the afterparty/busride that I was suddenly in a room full of people talking a foreign language ...
The same band, the singer lived down here so we used to fly up to Glasgow together from Gatwick before heading off wherever, and His accent used to get progressively thicker as the plane got closer to Scotland.
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After a month, they finally found the first pup I ordered stuck in the Chinese mail system. They got it back yesterday and are resending it! Should be interesting to see how long it takes. In the meantime, I ordered two 9.2s and they came in a couple days as I paid extra for DHL.
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After a month, they finally found the first pup I ordered stuck in the Chinese mail system. They got it back yesterday and are resending it! Should be interesting to see how long it takes. In the meantime, I ordered two 9.2s and they came in a couple days as I paid extra for DHL.
I feel your pain, Doc. My 8ks are being re-sent as well. When they didn't show up yesterday, I politely jumped in their doo-doo. Apparently, the pickup magnets sometimes mess with the scanners at ChinaPost and they get kicked back to the mfr. At least that's the story I got. Strange that both yours and my own 9.2ks sailed right through without a problem...
I'm putting my tinfoil hat on.
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My pickups (an 8 and a 9.2 k) didn't show up this week so I emailed yesterday. Apparently "the package was missing by here DHL office", so it will be resent today. I paid extra for faster shipping. :o
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My 9.2ks showed up yesterday! More to follow!
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Second order of 9.2's are working their way from New York to Texas now, "regular" shipping.
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my 2 X 8s haven't show up they are week over maximum eBay estimate- contacted seller yesterday. Waiting for response.
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don't you live in italy. if so, that may explain the delay.
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I think there's a delay if you're anywhere but China. Mine are a week overdue (NJ) and others have been waiting as well. The odd part is that my second order arrived, but the first has been delayed.
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don't you live in italy. if so, that may explain the delay.
No, Australia. We have industrial action in Customs but they never got that far. The tracking indicates they never left China. I have messaged the seller through eBay advising them and asking for a replacement set as they are a week over.
No reply yet. I'll let you all know what they say.
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Heard back from the seller- returned because "magnetic". Resent them today. Let's hope they have sorted out the issue with them being magnetic.
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The Chinese postal service is surprised that magnetic pickups are magnetic?
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The Chinese postal service is surprised that magnetic pickups are magnetic?
Apparently.
I hope nobody is shipping pussy willows.
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A BaCH Fenderbird came in today. I ordered it to install these Hong Kong Thunderbuckers.
But the bass sounds incredibly good straight out of the box already... Guess I sort of forgot how good these actually are.
Now I'm in dubio what to do. Should I go ahead and install those Thunderbuckers anyway? Or should I figure out some other new project?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/12484770_816788725116234_770674367263437264_o.jpg)
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Unusually beautiful bass, that one, Rob! But don't you think it deserves rings around the p-ups? Just for the sake of plain beauty?
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I wouldn't screw down the surrounds or anything until you know the Hong Kong pickups are superior to what you have there.
The wildcard option would be to gut the Hong Kong pickups, slim down the stock pickups and fit them in the covers. The metal pickup covers might change the tone to some degree, but it would be effectively the same setup as you have now but more visually appealing.
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Point is, the Hong Kong humbuckers are slightly wider than the Artec humbuckers. So I'd have to route the body a bit to get them to fit.
And after that, there is no way back.
I agree they do look better... :-\
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Wait. I've got it. I still have this baby 8)
(http://www.enkoo.nl/uploads/1/3/3/7/13376708/3177574_orig.jpg)
It has a Bicentennial Thunderbird humbucker in the bridge position.
And an Artec in a chrome casing in the neck position.
I've never been too convinced about the Bicentennial pickup. So this would be a good test bunny for the new pickups.
I'll leave the Fenderbird stock (for the time being...)
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"I've never been too convinced about the Bicentennial pickup."
Amen! Public perception tainted by nostalgia.
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I aspire to be in the position where one day remember that I have a polaris white non-reverse T-bird stashed away for modification duties. :P
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Yeah, that sounded a bit weird. I just meant that I never intended to use the pickups from Hong Kong on an other bass than the Fenderbird. I had that idea stuck in my head. ;)
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A BaCH Fenderbird came in today. I ordered it to install these Hong Kong Thunderbuckers.
But the bass sounds incredibly good straight out of the box already... Guess I sort of forgot how good these actually are.
Now I'm in dubio what to do. Should I go ahead and install those Thunderbuckers anyway? Or should I figure out some other new project?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/12484770_816788725116234_770674367263437264_o.jpg)
Rob while the Artech is a fine pickup it sure ain't no Thunderbird pickup. Not only will the Chinese Tbird pups look the part they will sound it. I say mod it!
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"I've never been too convinced about the Bicentennial pickup."
Amen! Public perception tainted by nostalgia.
Totally agree Bcient. pickups are feeble at best!
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Thanx for the advice Scott.
Would a 9,2 K version be better for the bridge position? And the 8 K for the neck position?
Or would I rather keep both the same impedance?
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That would be as per original, iirc
I have an 8k Lollar in the bridge slot of my PC and I find the sound rather good (to say the least) but...
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Thanx for the advice Scott.
Would a 9,2 K version be better for the bridge position? And the 8 K for the neck position?
Or would I rather keep both the same impedance?
I would put 9.2K in both positions............................... to be honest I never got the higher value being in the bridge position
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I think the original idea was to try and balance the sound levels, but...?
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I think the notion is that there is less excursion in the strings the closer to the bridge you get, so you need a hotter pickup to get the most out of the limited movement in the strings. Sounds a bit like bollocks to me. It would make more sense to have a wider sensing area in the pickup, as a 'hot' pickup is a fairly abstract concept unless you know other attributes of the pickup, such as the wire used or the magnets used.
I've seen some guys flake out on Talkbass over a 200 ohm difference in Jazz bass pickups. :bored:
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I'm a fan of the higher output pickup being at the bridge because I like that edge.
With regard to the much maligned low output of the Bicentennial pickups - they have their place. There is something about the tone of those pickups through an old Ampeg V4B w/SVT cab that I absolutely love. If you are used to hotter or active pickups, though, you'll wind up fighting them. I learned to push the Ampeg's volume knob a little harder, and the tone just killed.
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I think the notion is that there is less excursion in the strings the closer to the bridge you get, so you need a hotter pickup to get the most out of the limited movement in the strings. Sounds a bit like bollocks to me. It would make more sense to have a wider sensing area in the pickup, as a 'hot' pickup is a fairly abstract concept unless you know other attributes of the pickup, such as the wire used or the magnets used.
I've seen some guys flake out on Talkbass over a 200 ohm difference in Jazz bass pickups. :bored:
You probably know that there's more to output than the DC resistance measurements. That makes you smarter than Talkbass flakes. 8)
Regardless of measurement, it makes sense to have a slightly hotter pickup close to the bridge.
As for these pickups, I would just listen and compare instead of relying on DC resistance.
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I've ordered a pair of 9.2 K pickups. 8)
They had the shipping cost set much higher and an extra import fee.
I asked them why there was a $30 difference of addition costs between the 8k pickup and the 9.2k pickup.
They apologised and set it to the same as the 8k. :toast:
Now I can make a combination of 8 k and 9.2 k or just a pair of either.
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Installed the 8k pair in the BaCHbird.
I decided to make a spacer under the mount ring of the bridge pickup. I used a piece of single ply control plate material
The pickups are so shallow they actually sit flush to the surface of the body. So I needed extra height for the ring.
You were right Scott. Pickups sound awesome.
I'm glad I did it.
Now I eagerly await the 9.2 K pair for the Fenderbird.
BANZAI!!
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That looks the business! Excited for mine to arrive, though they still seem to be doing a tour of China at the moment. Still not sure exactly what to do with mine, but I'm pretty keen to stick them in my Tokai T-bird. The headstock is in the middle of a refinish though....
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My second order was stuck in a post somewhere In China so they resend it. Customer service seems to be working with eypickups. :)
Any clips of that Bachbird? I was wondering about getting another pair for my '76.
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You probably know that there's more to output than the DC resistance measurements. That makes you smarter than Talkbass flakes. 8)
I earned a warning over on TB for this!
In short, some teenage dude had some sort of PJ bass, and the J pickup route was only wide enough for pickups with what are traditionally considered neck pickup dimensions. I pointed out that he could route ~ 2 mm on each end of the pickup cavity. No dice. I pointed out that with a sharp chisel it would be 2 minutes' work. No dice.
Okay. Why not just buy a neck pickup then? According to kiddo, neck pickups are completely different animals to bridge pickups. You wouldn't fit the neck pickup for a Telecaster in the bridge slot, right? (Some do, but never mind). An all round stupid suggestion. Why? Because Jazz bass bridge pickups are about 500 ohms hotter than their neck counterparts.
I then asked, why not simply buy a hotter neck pickup? Find a high output Jazz set and use the neck pickup? No, not possible, because you never use a neck pickup as a bridge pickup.
I then pointed out that early MIM Jazz basses shipped with two pickups of the exact same dimensions. Still no dice, kiddo didn't want to learn and I kept getting "why does it matter so much?" thrown right back at me. Just about the dictionary definition of wilful ignorance. I eventually called him wilfully ignorant, and got a ban!
Having said that, I just had my arse handed to me on TDPRI for asking why guitarists rigidly use microfarads as the single unit for capacitors (0.0047 uF looks idiotic) and tend to not include the unit. Therefore you get some old hick on there saying "well I find a 0.022 sounds a bit more buttery than a 0.047, praise Jeebus and Waylon Jennings". As far as I'm concerned if you pay well over the odds for standard electronic components because you have a tortuously anti-intellectual approach to guitar technology then you deserve all you get. This is why Stew Mac are in business, right?
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Alan, keep on going like this and the grounds of the LBO will be the only forum left for you to stroll in! We're non-discriminating, you know?
Will Foo Ign O'Rant sounds like a good handle though.
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I post on Basschat and a couple of aviation forums too, but not too often. 8)
My pickups arrived. A sketchy wee box with "Thank you for your patronage" written on the top. Could be anything in there! :o
Luckily it is the pickups, pickup rings and enough screws to make it all work. Still not sure exactly what sort of journey they've been on, but they are here!
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Tracked mine today. Unfortunately they are still sitting in:
(NOT a political post)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs&ab_channel=HuffPostMovieMashups
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:mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4sV3lqzKqQ
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Mine have no commenced their second attempt to leave China.
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Quick demo of the BaCHbird with the HongKongbuckers.
Bit sloppy playing here and there, but you get the idea of the sound ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-G28KIqxk8&feature=youtu.be
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Sounds pretty damn good!
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Quick demo of the BaCHbird with the HongKongbuckers.
Bit sloppy playing here and there, but you get the idea of the sound ;)
Based on this and your other video, I think I like the HongKongbuckers better than the Artecs.
I earned a warning over on TB for this!
In short, some teenage dude had some sort of PJ bass, and the J pickup route was only wide enough for pickups with what are traditionally considered neck pickup dimensions. I pointed out that he could route ~ 2 mm on each end of the pickup cavity. No dice. I pointed out that with a sharp chisel it would be 2 minutes' work. No dice.
Okay. Why not just buy a neck pickup then? According to kiddo, neck pickups are completely different animals to bridge pickups. You wouldn't fit the neck pickup for a Telecaster in the bridge slot, right? (Some do, but never mind). An all round stupid suggestion. Why? Because Jazz bass bridge pickups are about 500 ohms hotter than their neck counterparts.
I then asked, why not simply buy a hotter neck pickup? Find a high output Jazz set and use the neck pickup? No, not possible, because you never use a neck pickup as a bridge pickup.
I then pointed out that early MIM Jazz basses shipped with two pickups of the exact same dimensions. Still no dice, kiddo didn't want to learn and I kept getting "why does it matter so much?" thrown right back at me. Just about the dictionary definition of wilful ignorance. I eventually called him wilfully ignorant, and got a ban!
Having said that, I just had my arse handed to me on TDPRI for asking why guitarists rigidly use microfarads as the single unit for capacitors (0.0047 uF looks idiotic) and tend to not include the unit. Therefore you get some old hick on there saying "well I find a 0.022 sounds a bit more buttery than a 0.047, praise Jeebus and Waylon Jennings". As far as I'm concerned if you pay well over the odds for standard electronic components because you have a tortuously anti-intellectual approach to guitar technology then you deserve all you get. This is why Stew Mac are in business, right?
You know, it's possible for almost any change to influence tone even if it's only in some small way. But when guys who don't understand how a capacitor works in a passive guitar tone circuit start talking about buttery tone, you know they're blowing smoke out their orifices. Likewise with guys who don't understand pickups.
Stew-Mac isn't the problem. They're still basically a guitar building and repair supplier. They carry a few boutique components b/c of demand, but that's nothing compared to suppliers whose whole business models are based on peddling voodoo.
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I saw a video posted up yesterday with a shootout of various capacitors. Those things annoy me anyway because nobody bothers to actually read the capacitance of the individual unit, just the reported value. They then play guitar six different ways for six different capacitors and then some deaf guitard goes "see folks, if you can't hear the difference in capacitor types then you just aren't as blessed with as good a pair of ears".
This latest shootout video was posted by Stew Mac, who sell a range of capacitors at different price points. How impartial are they honestly going to be? Ditto the guys on the Les Paul forums that sing the praises of obsolete paper and oil capacitors, claiming they have more warmth/sparkle/roar and who just happen to sell aftermarket wiring harnesses looms on the side. Some sod running a company out of their garage called "Blues Tone Vintage Luthiery ltd" or something naff like that. :bored:
Arguing with these sorts of folk is basically akin to playing chess with a pigeon. You easily win the game, but the pigeon will still knock over all the pieces, strut about and shit all over the board as though it won any way.
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"who just happen to sell aftermarket wiring
harnesses looms on the side ...".
He's learnng, but still has relapses. :popcorn:
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Quick demo of the BaCHbird with the HongKongbuckers.
Bit sloppy playing here and there, but you get the idea of the sound ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-G28KIqxk8&feature=youtu.be
I'm missing the silly "Waiting for an Alibi" harmony guitars! :mrgreen:
But the Bach sounds nice with those HK pus.
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Those pickups sound great to my ears. Looking forward to hearing the 9k versions.
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I saw a video posted up yesterday with a shootout of various capacitors. Those things annoy me anyway because nobody bothers to actually read the capacitance of the individual unit, just the reported value. They then play guitar six different ways for six different capacitors and then some deaf guitard goes "see folks, if you can't hear the difference in capacitor types then you just aren't as blessed with as good a pair of ears".
This latest shootout video was posted by Stew Mac, who sell a range of capacitors at different price points. How impartial are they honestly going to be? Ditto the guys on the Les Paul forums that sing the praises of obsolete paper and oil capacitors, claiming they have more warmth/sparkle/roar and who just happen to sell aftermarket wiring harnesses looms on the side. Some sod running a company out of their garage called "Blues Tone Vintage Luthiery ltd" or something naff like that. :bored:
Arguing with these sorts of folk is basically akin to playing chess with a pigeon. You easily win the game, but the pigeon will still knock over all the pieces, strut about and shit all over the board as though it won any way.
You apparently missed the point of the Stew-Mac video. It wasn't meant to be a tone comparison test between the capacitors they sell. He was just showing you how to rig up a tone cap tester yourself so you could test several different capacitors without having to solder and desolder each one in and out of the circuit. That's why the Stew-Mac email was titled "How to let your ears find the best tone cap for your guitar."
I do agree with you that it's futile to argue with tone voodoo peddlers and the customers who swear by them, but IMHO Stew-Mac doesn't fall into that category at all. In any case, life's too short to worry about what other people do with their hard earned money, so I never try to argue with them.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go put some boutique saddles on my Tele bridge. Let's see, I'll need a brass one for the B/E, aluminum on the D/G for more twang.... :mrgreen:
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Voodoo caps are annoying, but I'm glad stumac includes and informs about such products. They'd be out of business if they they stuck only to sense and tradition. Even though I do not repair many guitars, I am amazed how many of my amp service customers asking about caps and pots and stuff. Even pro players at decent age who posesses a good tone suddenly feels that this 'shitty original cap' in the guitar ruins their tone, all of a sudden. Even if the tone pot is always at 10. They come with piles of different oil caps purchased at ridiculous prices. End of the story for most of them is that they do not hear much difference, of course. If I just laughed at them, what good would that do for my business?
Nevertheless, people talk about it and get their opinions through practical experience and those who think their life is more meaningful with toiletpaper-in-oil caps well who cares. I think we just have to wait for this to die naturally, like cryogenically treated strings, active pickups, alu cone speakers and black hardware :)
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You apparently missed the point of the Stew-Mac video.
There wasn't much of one. Basically the message I got was 'your ears know best' and not to listen to anybody else... great advice, but guitarists listen with their eyes half the time. ;D Why else would Stew Mac employ a middle aged bloke with a CS Les Paul (and phoned in blues licks)? I'm meant to watch that and go this guy gets me, maaaan. The experiment with the cheapest ceramic capacitor on one side of the switch and the swanky Emerson PIO cap (that Stew Mac just happen to sell!) looks a lot like upselling. I didn't notice anything much in terms of tone with that guy's demonstration. He hadn't mic'd up the amp and, heck, he was using an amp in the first place. Why not plug that Les Paul straight into a nice DI box and run it through some studio monitors for minimal tonal colouring downstream of the guitar? There are way too many variables at play here.
I had a laugh yesterday when I found the following link:
http://www.martinsixstringcustoms.com/collections/prewired-gibson-wiring-harnesses/products/prewired-les-paul-holy-grail-harness (http://www.martinsixstringcustoms.com/collections/prewired-gibson-wiring-harnesses/products/prewired-les-paul-holy-grail-harness)
I see they've all sold! Yesterday there was drop-down boxes with options. I could have purchased a pre-aged harness. Does that means the pots crackle and the caps have drifted off their reported values by ~ 50% or so?
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Ditto the guys on the Les Paul forums that sing the praises of obsolete paper and oil capacitors, claiming they have more warmth/sparkle/roar
Paper in oil caps have different equivalent series resistance than other types and do bleed high frequencies easier because of it. Given a choice, they're what I use for bass tone circuits because I have VERY hard attack and my tone is very bright and needs the taming. Modern poly caps are "more efficient" at what they do and their lower ESR lets more midrange through. There IS science behind it, but I get what you're saying about the know-nothings who are simply repeating what some *dood* said on a forum. Stew Mac sells some overpriced stuff, but most of their stock and trade are specialty tools for guitar repair that are VERY hard to find elsewhere. When I ran my shop, I kept a whole bunch of current catalogs from Stew Mac Digikey, Mouser and a few others. There are WAY worse folks out their making bigger bucks off of PURE bullshit. (Care to talk about tubes anyone?)
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My partner's father used to work in 'outside broadcasting'. They were clearing out their loft space recently, and he found some decades old unused NOS KT88s in a box. Knowing I play guitar, he asked if I had no use for them and if they had any value. :mrgreen:
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I think we just have to wait for this to die naturally, like cryogenically treated strings, active pickups, alu cone speakers and black hardware :)
;D ;D ;D
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I appreciated the Stew Mac video for what it was, showing folks a way to compare caps at home with ease. Didn't really really get anything else out of it and I've been using the same cap for years in all my builds. I'm happy.
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My partner's father used to work in 'outside broadcasting'. They were clearing out their loft space recently, and he found some decades old unused NOS KT88s in a box. Knowing I play guitar, he asked if I had no use for them and if they had any value. :mrgreen:
Well, if you don't want them, I will give them a good home - and pay for the shipping :vader:
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I had a laugh yesterday when I found the following link:
http://www.martinsixstringcustoms.com/collections/prewired-gibson-wiring-harnesses/products/prewired-les-paul-holy-grail-harness (http://www.martinsixstringcustoms.com/collections/prewired-gibson-wiring-harnesses/products/prewired-les-paul-holy-grail-harness)
I see they've all sold! Yesterday there was drop-down boxes with options. I could have purchased a pre-aged harness. Does that means the pots crackle and the caps have drifted off their reported values by ~ 50% or so?
In all fairness to the guy, he has a great reputation, and those are a very small part of his business. He sells lots of different prewired harnesses (http://www.martinsixstringcustoms.com/collections/prewired-gibson-wiring-harnesses) with closer tolerances than you get buying typical off-the-shelf parts. Most of them are vintage-accurate, and that's important to some of his customers.
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Fair play to the guy. :mrgreen: I feel a lot happier when my instruments are kitted out with full-size pots and chunky orange drop caps. I follow a similar guy on Instagram who will wire up a full Jazzmaster pickguard with the sort of wiring dress you would expect in a tube amp. It might not necessarily sound better but it looks the part. Conversely I'm uncomfortable with the idea that some of my lesser basses have kludged together wiring
harnesses looms I made from scrounged components, to be honest. I just see wiring harnesses as something I can make cheaper myself. I have a variable temp soldering iron, heat sinks and a big book of wiring diagrams. 8)
I guess some of my 'beef' arises with the fact that '50s Fenders and Gibsons were mass-produced instruments and the electrical components were just parts catalog stuff. Leo Fender et al will have costed up various wiring options and reached a conclusion that way. If Gibson had chosen the PIO capacitors for purely superior tonal reasons then this would have been included in the marketing blurb! There is a very blurry line between 'nostalgia' and 'actually better' in the case of a lot of this stuff.
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I guess some of my 'beef' arises with the fact that '50s Fenders and Gibsons were mass-produced instruments and the electrical components were just parts catalog stuff.
The vintage mystique built up over the years because newer components that were introduced to the market DID sound different, just like the newest whiz-bang amps that had loads of bad built-in effects and not one decent sound. It's a soon-to-be moot point anyway as surface mount components are taking over in every avenue and large passive electronics go the way of dinosaur, along with any hope of repairing anything outside of a pc board swap.
Leo Fender et al will have costed up various wiring options and reached a conclusion that way.
Leo used what was least expensive early on and later had a group of trusted sales reps who were serious players to help discern what was sonically desirable in Fender's products. His early amps were straight out of RCA's tube handbook and his instruments designed around high school physics textbooks providing scale length and component value equations.
If Gibson had chosen the PIO capacitors for purely superior tonal reasons then this would have been included in the marketing blurb! There is a very blurry line between 'nostalgia' and 'actually better' in the case of a lot of this stuff.
Agreed, but there IS actual science to types with passive tone caps in instruments; not so with lots of other sacred cows in the guitar world (why I brought up tubes). PIO were the least expensive option back in the day, but nowadays, they have to be made in small runs as boutique parts. Gibson charges disgustingly exorbitant prices for their PIO offerings (which have been shown to sometimes actually be electrolytics inside of phony exteriors) , but real PIO caps are a practically extinct part that hasn't been made for large scale use in over 30 years.
Here's (http://ampworkshop.yuku.com/topic/4927/Youll-always-get-rich-selling-Magic-Beans?page=1) a link to a thread from another forum that exposed Gibson's fake PIO caps five years ago. The links have all expired, but you can get the idea.
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Just because someone says something silly like "well I find a 0.022 sounds a bit more buttery than a 0.047...", as you put it, that doesn't mean there wasn't a change or that a different type of cap might have changed the sound. Poke fun at that, fine, but changing almost anything on an instrument affects it in some way. Sometimes it's not readily apparent, sometimes it's obvious. The confirmation bias of a guy who spent the money on it doesn't mean that changes don't matter.
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My point about buttery caps was more about the refusal for guitarists to acknowledge nanofarads as a unit of capacitance. :mrgreen:
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My basses always sound better after I change my underwear...... 8)
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I absolutely don't understand the difference...I always dime the tone control and control tone either from the amp, or the combo of pickups used. If I dime the tone control, aren't I , in essence, bypassing whatever cap is in there?
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My basses always sound better after I change my underwear...... 8)
:o you owe me a new keyboard...! :mrgreen:
Life is so much easier with none of this tone-control nonsense... and minimising on the metal on the neck... much less to fret about...
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My point about buttery caps was more about the refusal for guitarists to acknowledge nanofarads as a unit of capacitance. :mrgreen:
Wait, what? You expect musicians to know math and how to convert units? That's asking a bit much! :mrgreen: When a vendor lists an item as .047 microfarads, most people aren't going to mentally convert it to nanofarads.
I absolutely don't understand the difference...I always dime the tone control and control tone either from the amp, or the combo of pickups used. If I dime the tone control, aren't I , in essence, bypassing whatever cap is in there?
Unless you have a no-load tone pot -- the ones that cut the pot and capacitor out of the circuit when it's on 10 -- then the you aren't actually bypassing the cap. But as long as you're diming your tone control, different caps won't change a thing b/c you're not rolling anything off.
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My basses always sound better after I change my underwear...... 8)
Fond of the brown tone, are ye? :P
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My pickups are still in China ???
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My pickups are still in China ???
My second attempt have processed through a sort facility at least this time. That was 5 days ago/ Lets hope they make it this time.
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Hey Kenny and Al, glad I could give you a grin! ;D
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Onwards to delivery, Comrade!!!
(http://www.iisg.nl/landsberger/images/c05.jpg)
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Still waiting for the one they reshipped a week ago! Should be interesting to see how long it takes to swim over here. The other two I ordered recently came via DHL in 2 days! If buying quantity, I wouldn't hesitate to spend a little extra on shipping again. If they work as advertised, I may be in line for a lot more on down the road.
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Hey Kenny and Al, glad I could give you a grin! ;D
Keep 'em clean... :mrgreen:
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On the site of EY Guitars they're even cheaper than they are on Ebay...
http://www.eyguitarmusic.com/Thunderbird-Bass-Pickup-Vitage-Sytle-for-GibsonChrome_p_2287.html
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The saga of my long awaited set continues. :bored:
I ordered a set of 8Ks on 12/12/ 15 through eBay (the 9.2 weren't available- that is how long this has been going), they were marked sent on 14/12/15. Delivery due between 1/1/16 and 8/1/16.
I waited till 14/1/16 in view of Xmas and some industrial action at Customs in Australia.
I messaged them on 14/1/16- Eric replied that day that they had fallen foul of the magnetic issue with China Post and had just been returned. He told me they had just resent them and gave me a new tracking number.
The tracking still shows them as being in China, but I thought "no big deal". I waited till today allowing a fortnight and messaged again asking them to follow up.
Eric replied promptly that China Post advised that they are caught up in the snow storms in the USA and hadn't been scanned into the USA because the planes haven't been unloaded, but that all would be good once the weather improves in the US.
I have just messaged them back that I am very concerned to hear that they are held up in the USA, given that I am in Australia, as is clearly shown in the shipping details of the order. I have asked them to definitely confirm for me that the parcel has been sent to the correct address and, if not, to arrange for a set to get to me urgently.
;D
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Too funny. Eric has just come back and apologised for "making me a US customer", but assures me the parcel has been sent to the correct address in Australia.
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On the site of EY Guitars they're even cheaper than they are on Ebay...
http://www.eyguitarmusic.com/Thunderbird-Bass-Pickup-Vitage-Sytle-for-GibsonChrome_p_2287.html
Shipping to the US is quite a bit higher when you order from the website. Maybe it's different for Europe.
Too funny. Eric has just come back and apologised for "making me a US customer", but assures me the parcel has been sent to the correct address in Australia.
At least it's headed to the right continent now. Hope you get it soon.
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I'm beginning to wonder about this outfit. My first order, according to tracking, still hasn't left China - this after Eric told me i should have them by end of month, which is tomorrow. THAT came after a previous estimate of 3-4 days (!) which was then revised to two weeks. The order was placed on 12/25. In the meantime, eBay has contacted me asking if everything had been resolved or if I wanted to escalate the case. I have until 2/11 to advise them on that. >:(
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I'd contact EY Guitars once more. Chinese parts stores on Ebay are usually scared to death about negative Ebay scores, and very willing to solve the problem.
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I'm beginning to wonder about this outfit. My first order, according to tracking, still hasn't left China - this after Eric told me i should have them by end of month, which is tomorrow. THAT came after a previous estimate of 3-4 days (!) which was then revised to two weeks. The order was placed on 12/25. In the meantime, eBay has contacted me asking if everything had been resolved or if I wanted to escalate the case. I have until 2/11 to advise them on that. >:(
Yes. The tracking on the second attempt shows mine processed through Shenzen. The first time the tracking indicated it didn't get that far- which checks out with Erics story.
After his incorrect advice about the US detour, which I believe was just the result of laziness on his part, I told him that I would wait another week, which will have given the second attempt 3 weeks and take it to just under 2 months from the initial order.
I didn't open a Paypal dispute within the 45 days as I could see that pickups were being received by others and it would make little sense to randomly scam people. Risky, I know.
Hopefully the pickups will arrive next week. I understand I have 60 days to open a dispute through eBay. Not sure what good that will do, if it comes to that.
Here's something from eBay I found on the net.
" If it is within 60 days of the initial transaction date and the item was
purchased on eBay, please contact eBay for further information as you
may be able to file a claim with eBay directly. PayPal reserves the
right to reopen any claim for investigation within 180 days if multiple
complaints are received about a single seller. We will notify you if
this is the case."
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I'd contact EY Guitars once more. Chinese parts stores on Ebay are usually scared to death about negative Ebay scores, and very willing to solve the problem.
I saw on another forum, that a couple of guys tried to order more yesterday through eBay and got a message that the seller was on vacation till Feb 12.
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Chinese New Year... makes sense...
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I've never had a reason to buy from them but they're not scammers. I've seen too many people at TDPRI say positive things about them to think that, and I can't remember ever hearing that someone paid but never got their order. Maybe lazy, maybe incompetent in some cases, maybe it's the postal system there, who knows.
OTOH I wouldn't wait too long before opening a dispute. Some of you might not know that eBay spun off Paypal, they are separate companies as of about last July. If you bought off eBay, you could open a case with either, and the time limits may be different now for each company.
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I've never had a reason to buy from them but they're not scammers. I've seen too many people at TDPRI say positive things about them to think that, and I can't remember ever hearing that someone paid but never got their order. Maybe lazy, maybe incompetent in some cases, maybe it's the postal system there, who knows.
OTOH I wouldn't wait too long before opening a dispute. Some of you might not know that eBay spun off Paypal, they are separate companies as of about last July. If you bought off eBay, you could open a case with either, and the time limits may be different now for each company.
That's my take on the situation, too. I am not too concerned, other than the annoyance.
I also obviously, have not left feedback yet and all communication has been within eBay's messaging
From what I can see, Paypal's limit is 45 days and eBay's is 60.
I am outside Paypals but still have a while to go on eBay's.
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Pickups arrived this morning.
Thought I better check them before starting installation.
I must be cursed- one is open circuit! On closer inspection I see one of the fine black wires is detached where it comes through the bottom of the pickup (see pic) .
I am not familiar with these pickups, is that wire an earth or hot?
The other pickup reads nicely at 8.5 K- supposed to be 8K happy with that one
Lodged a return through eBay requesting a relplacement for the faulty/ damaged one.
This is very frustrating.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/24yv607.jpg)
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Pickups arrived this morning.
Thought I better check them before starting installation.
I must be cursed- one is open circuit! On closer inspection I see one of the fine black wires is detached where it comes through the bottom of the pickup (see pic) .
I am not familiar with these pickups, is that wire an earth or hot?
The other pickup reads nicely at 8.5 K- supposed to be 8K happy with that one
Lodged a return through eBay requesting a relplacement for the faulty/ damaged one.
This is very frustrating.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/24yv607.jpg)
All sorted. Refunded for one and I'll order a 9.2K as a replacement.
Eric is quite good to deal with.
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Yesterday I received an e-mail with tracking info from eBay saying that as of 1/30 my package was in NY. So I will wait patiently. Oddly, the communique from eBay had this heading:
"Your item is on its way
If you don't receive it by Jan. 19, ask us to step in and help then."
:rolleyes:
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Pickups arrived this morning.
Thought I better check them before starting installation.
I must be cursed- one is open circuit! On closer inspection I see one of the fine black wires is detached where it comes through the bottom of the pickup (see pic) .
I am not familiar with these pickups, is that wire an earth or hot?
The other pickup reads nicely at 8.5 K- supposed to be 8K happy with that one
Lodged a return through eBay requesting a relplacement for the faulty/ damaged one.
This is very frustrating.
That was the one thing I noticed on the 9.2k that I received. The manner in which they route and connect the wire(s) looks fragile. Proceed with caution when unwrapping.
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I finally got my pair out of the box... :rolleyes:
I'm thinking of installing them in a reissue Hagstrom HB8 that I picked up as a knacker. Any thoughts?
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I won't use China post again. For a few bucks more, DHL is the way to go.
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Yah, I considered the DHL shipping cost as an 'actually turn up eventually' tax. I've had odd dealings with Eyguitars every time I've used them. I was surprised that the pickups had just shown up at their office/warehouse/sweaty back room the very day I prompted them about a delivery date. DHL apparently picked them up the next day and they somehow wound up in Edinburgh days later, rather than the couple of weeks projected. I feel there is some sort of fuzzy state here, somewhere between a language barrier and the capacity to lie, somewhat creatively, to keep the customer sweet. More of a culture clash than anything approaching charlatanism on their part.
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My new pair of 9.2 k humbuckers arrived yesterday.
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Just retrieved my pair of 8ks from the mailbox.
No broken wires, and they measure at 8.2k.
:thumbsup:
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Just retrieved my pair of 8ks from the mailbox.
No broken wires, and they measure at 8.2k.
:thumbsup:
I must just be lucky.
The 8K one of mine that actually worked read 8.4K.
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After two tries, my single 8k pup arrived today in good condition. Glad that's over!
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Took the router out and made room for the HongKongbuckers.
All wired up. Ready to rock.
Scott was right, they do sound better :toast:
What do you think, with or without ring?
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12662501_10208327443288741_6521966880645605908_n.jpg?oh=e5733c9c14aaf7212dca25925abe0080&oe=573017B9&__gda__=1462991340_d43f8d8194b60681befc25ef5934aed0)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12651024_10208327443328742_4043128080213564396_n.jpg?oh=0d90d89d0d1d64965d6f8547fc39f4ae&oe=573FE81F&__gda__=1463175958_ac0ade35dc46151f0127e8c908c77e6c)
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Me likey ring.
Two rings to rule them all, two rings to find them, two rings to bring them all, and to the T-bird bind them.
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+1 :mrgreen:
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Yeah, with!
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With.
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With!!
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With! Absolutely!
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As Beyoncé tells us; (Shoulda) Put a Ring on it! 8)
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What do you think, with or without ring?
You really have to ask??? ;) WITH! Love that red.
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Love that red.
Yep. It's got me GAS-ing too. Might have to peel off a couple things...
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This is my handy work.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/Meddled/Thunderstrom_zpsk9uxxbom.jpg)
The pickups sound a lot better than the hotrail things Hagstrom had fitted. They are a tad microphonic, but I feel this works in their favour. :o
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Very nice indeed!!
Replacement bridge, too?
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That is hot looking
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Nice! :toast:
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Very nice indeed!!
Replacement bridge, too?
No, that is the stock bridge. The bass is a reissue Hagstrom, not the original which had the same bridge as the Starfire basses, but with adjustable saddles per string. This bridge only allows adjustment per string pair, so intonation is a bit of an issue. I could upgrade to a Schaller bridge, but that is a bit of coin for something I'm not entirely convinced isn't just a bit of a novelty...
The same bridge turns up on this feat of Chinese luthiery marvel;
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-China-8-String-Electric-Bass-Guitar-8-strings-Bass-Red-130109/32362884010.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.42.Q851wn&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_2,searchweb201644_1_505_506_503_504_502_10001_10002_10016_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10004_10009_10008,searchweb201560_3,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6451&btsid=0f59385e-30c4-47b6-895f-fa2827ceddea (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-China-8-String-Electric-Bass-Guitar-8-strings-Bass-Red-130109/32362884010.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.42.Q851wn&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_2,searchweb201644_1_505_506_503_504_502_10001_10002_10016_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10004_10009_10008,searchweb201560_3,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6451&btsid=0f59385e-30c4-47b6-895f-fa2827ceddea)
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Wow, they look great in there!
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I stuck the pickups and rings on there as a goof whilst I had the electronics ripped out. The bass came with two hotrail humbuckers that were too hot and too mids-forward to really work in an 8 string bass. They were wired to some illogically sequenced 6-way rotary switch that felt cheap. I decided to rewire the bass with a 3-way, volume and tone control, and just took off from there.
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Looks great! I bet it sounds great too. I use an 8 string quite a bit and spent a good chunk of money to get an 8 saddle bridge. Definitely made a major improvement in intonation, though visually, some of the saddles look almost even. More noticeable on the E and A pairs.
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Looks like a Ricky bridge! Nice work. :)
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The same bridge turns up on this feat of Chinese luthiery marvel;
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-China-8-String-Electric-Bass-Guitar-8-strings-Bass-Red-130109/32362884010.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.42.Q851wn&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_2,searchweb201644_1_505_506_503_504_502_10001_10002_10016_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10004_10009_10008,searchweb201560_3,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6451&btsid=0f59385e-30c4-47b6-895f-fa2827ceddea (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-China-8-String-Electric-Bass-Guitar-8-strings-Bass-Red-130109/32362884010.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.42.Q851wn&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_2,searchweb201644_1_505_506_503_504_502_10001_10002_10016_10017_10010_10005_10011_10006_10003_10004_10009_10008,searchweb201560_3,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6451&btsid=0f59385e-30c4-47b6-895f-fa2827ceddea)
Made In USA on the back of the headstock, no front shot. No guesswork needed here.
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Wow... £200 + duty... If circumstances were not tight right now I'd be somewhat tempted to take the risk...
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On the Chibson EB3-8 string? You would earn a bravery award for that! I'm not sure how it would handle the tension in the long run.
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Presently limiting the spending so I can't take the step towards the (A&BTCofD) Gallantry Medal... :mrgreen:
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On the Chibson EB3-8 string? You would earn a bravery award for that! I'm not sure how it would handle the tension in the long run.
Depends on what kind of fake "mahogany" it's made from.
Did you notice that the brand name is Dave? Hmmm... Orville's Chinese cousin?
The description also says that the bow material is made from Brazil Wood. :o
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Brazil...? ah...! NUTS...! :mrgreen:
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Finally got my second one and to this they will be fitted:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4322198/20160211_223008.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4322198/20160211_223021.jpg)
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They'll be great in there. That's one nice looking bass and a hell of a lot of strings!!!!! ;D
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I've been trumped! I feel these pickups work well for multi-course basses, but then I'm biased. :mrgreen:
What is the story of the 12er?
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What is the story of the 12er?
Neck from a Korean made CH-12, B12 -style body custom made by a friend and quite a lot experimenting with pickups which hopefully will end with these.
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It will end with these. You'll LOVE the sound!!!!
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It will end with these. You'll LOVE the sound!!!!
Great! The bass has two ouputs and a stereo/mono switch which I might include in the circuit 'though I very much doubt I will split the signal between the pickups with these. In mono mode both outputs have the same signal and to me the preferred sound is both pickups on.
I won't put any volume or tone pots in, just the pickup selectot 3-way switch and the aforementioned s/m switch (maybe). This shouldn't be a problem or is it? Will the sound be too harsh without the pots? A little bit more brightness with the 12-string doesn't do any harm of course.
The locations? The sixties or '76?
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60's of course.
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60's of course.
Well, the bridge pickup ended up a bit closer to the bridge, it hides the nasty stain on the wall...I mean it covers up the old pickuphole. :) But they do sound great together and soloed too. Great pickups for multistring basses.
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Grainy cellphone photo, sorry. There's still a big hole to cover but looks rather good even now.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4322198/20160216_224645.jpg)
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Fascinating... 8)
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They have these pickups with nickel casing too now...
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They have these pickups with nickel casing too now...
Thanks for the info! Is this a sign for me that now it's the time to change the pickups to my '76? :D
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Installed a set of 9.2Ks in my 08 TBird today.
Sounds great- very happy!
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Must be my lucky day, I should go buy a lottery ticket. I ordered 8K chrome pickups on feeBay on Feb. 25 & they arrived here in TX today, Feb. 29. The slow boat from China must have had a strong tailwind.
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Yeah, I've ordered from these guys a few times and each time the PUPs arrive lightnng fast from China. Their contact guy writes very good English.
Maybe cheap ass Henry J. should start using them to supply Gibson, so they stop usng those
Fugly black plastic PUPs they put in their basses?
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This thread has piqued my interest. Not so much from the chromey angle, but from a sound angle. Can someone please compare/contrast the sound of these pickups versus the standard black TB+ pickups found in modern T-birds?
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Look at the earlier posts in this thread.
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Look at the earlier posts in this thread.
I have, and sorry if I missed it but I didn't see any before/after discussions which went into any depth. I did listen to the video of the pickups themselves (which sounded great indeed).
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I have, and sorry if I missed it but I didn't see any before/after discussions which went into any depth. I did listen to the video of the pickups themselves (which sounded great indeed).
I'll give it a go. I am not great at describing sound.
I replaced the standard TB +s in my 08 Gibson TBird with a set of nominal 9.2s EY Pickups (that is how they are listed on the seller's website).
According to my multimeter the TB+s were both around 9.7K, the EYs measured around 9.5 and 9.6K, neck and bridge respectively. I put the slightly higher resistance one in the bridge position.
The EYs, to my ear, are considerably clearer, have more top end and more pleasing mids.
I found the EYs easier to balance across the strings and between pickups than the TB+s had proven, which I found to be very sensitive to adjustment.
The bridge pickup needs to be cranked up to maximun height on the screws provided (ie the bottom of the pickup level with the top of the body of the bass and the top of the pickup about 5mm from the strings) to get enough out of it.
I am mainly a neck pickup player and so the bridge pickup is giving me enough with the current set up- some may want more. I can lower the bridge itself a little still (there is still some downward adjustment available on the "front" post, but haven't bothered yet. as I have a chrome 3 pointer and tuners on the way and will fully set the bass up when I change the bridge and tuners over.
I have used the bass with the band now- it cuts through better with the EY pickups and sounds "more musical" for want of a better phrase. It also has better sustain. Still plenty of power. The bridge pickup is similar in fullness to my Greco Single pickup TBird- but probably not as angry sounding.
Told you I wasn't great at describing sound. Hope that helps a little.
Here's a pic of the bass partially blinged- they do look the part!
(http://i68.tinypic.com/70jn9u.jpg)
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That was a good description if you ask me! Thanks!
I'm planning to replace the original pickups in my '76 with these. Do I need rings or can I use the originals?
Also, as I have to change the wiring, what pots? 500 or 250 kOhms?
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I bought a BaCH Fenderbird from Rob with the Hongkongbuckers and I really like it! I have a gibson Thunderbird from 2009 with barfuss pickups and it sounds different but I would not call one better or worse sounding
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Welcome Thomas!
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Barfuss?
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German pickup builder who also makes a Tbird repro humbucker
http://www.barfuss-pickups.de/bass-tonabnehmer/
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That was a good description if you ask me! Thanks!
I'm planning to replace the original pickups in my '76 with these. Do I need rings or can I use the originals?
Also, as I have to change the wiring, what pots? 500 or 250 kOhms?
The China buckers come with rings and screws. I use 500 Pham in the vol and 300 or 250 on the tone. 300 ohms are hard to find and cost double the 250. I can't say I can hear a difference.
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I ordered them without rings, there's an option at their site. Thanks for the potentiometer info, 500 and 250 it is then.
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I used my Hagstrom 8 string last night at rehearsal, and under gainy settings the pickups were pretty prone to squealing. I've noticed they are also pretty microphonic, but they sound so good I don't want to pot them!
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if the squealing stops when you put your finger on the pickup cover then gaffer tape on the inside of the cover may work.
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I think I wrote here earlier that the bridge pup (nominal 9.2K) needed to be raised quite high to get a reasonable balance with a nominal 9.2K neck pickup. The pickup heights I settled with were- neck 8 mm below bottom of E string and bridge 10mm. Sounds great to me- just exactly what I was looking for.
The problem with this is the bridge pickup is almost out of the body and is a little unsupported, even with the chromed ring fitted. You can see the issue in this pic.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/23lbhxx.jpg)
This worried me because the external wiring of the pickups is a little flimsy IMO (I had one arrive DOA because the external wiring was broken) and I didn't want to risk damaging the wiring by knocking the pickup sideways while playing it.
So I ordered some spacers from Thunderbucker Ranch. http://www.thunderbuckerranch.com/
Worked a treat- put one under the ring for the neck pickup and two under the ring around the bridge pickup- bridge pickup now solid as a rock. The spacers are ever so slightly smaller than the rings- I am guessing they are designed to go with genuine rings or the reissues that Thunderbucker Ranch sells- but no big deal. Well worth considering, if you go with these pickups.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/33z2wrl.jpg)
BTW- I played her today after I finished installing the spacers and she sounds so great. Very happy.
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OK...I bought 2 nickel pickups...they have been sitting in Customs for 6 days now....is this normal????
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how high is the g string off of that pickup?
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how high is the g string off of that pickup?
Neck pickup minimum 2mm, bridge 4mm. I must have been having a senior moment when I measured the distances for my post above. :-[
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You could lower the bridge pickup slightly and use a trimmer internally to calm the neck pickup down a bit?
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You could lower the bridge pickup slightly and use a trimmer internally to calm the neck pickup down a bit?
Yes or use the spare 8.2K one I have, which actually reads 8.5K, in the neck position. I like the sound of higher resistance one I have in the neck at present and the strings don't hit the pickups as I play, so all good.
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I found a (new old stock) black BTH-1 for a customer of mine. Installed a repro humbucker and a custom pickguard.
This weekend its off to Spain.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/13241110_887203718074734_4478804454584345521_n.jpg?oh=f1f553c9516eaad63ef6d82a09021573&oe=57DE4B1C&__gda__=1474803224_4cff6b2aca1e7964577961eab88a44dc)
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Looks good with the black guard on there :thumbsup:
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Would that be a Blackbird? Stealthbird? I've never seen an all-black T-bird before, but that thing looks killer!
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I found a (new old stock) black BTH-1 for a customer of mine. Installed a repro humbucker and a custom pickguard.
This weekend its off to Spain.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/13241110_887203718074734_4478804454584345521_n.jpg?oh=f1f553c9516eaad63ef6d82a09021573&oe=57DE4B1C&__gda__=1474803224_4cff6b2aca1e7964577961eab88a44dc)
It's beautiful! Wow...
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That thing looks killer!
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Still haven't fitted my one in anything yet... there's a novelty... :rolleyes:
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I had a spam email today from a charming Chinese gentleman asking me if I wished to purchase sintered alnico magnets. It seems a surprising coincidence as the only thing from China I have bought recently has been the repro T-bird pickups apropos this thread.
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Sounds pretty damn good, eh??? But truly the pickup rings are based more on the 70's design...Mike Lull and Thunderbucker are the only guys who get the rings right.
Damn, only now I noticed the difference! So, has anyone tried to "round" the corners of the rings?
I mean that is it possible to modify the 70's style rings to make them look more like the 60's ones?
Or should I order "the right looking rings" from Thunderbucker?