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Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: Bionic-Joe on February 27, 2015, 10:47:38 AM
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Just found out Mr. Spock Died. God be with you, Leonard.
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I just read that too. He was really great in the JJ Abrams re-boot. RIP
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He was a good man and a cultural icon. R.I.P.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/star-trek-star-leonard-nimoy-dies-83/story?id=29274628
I even got a kick out of "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGF5ROpjRAU
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RIP indeed. Cool guy.
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Leonard Nimoy's last tweet:
A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP
1:36 AM - 23 Feb 2015
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R.I.P. Len
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Cool guy. Met him 10 years ago, for an exhibition of his photographs. We had a long talk about his childhood and his art. Such a great guy.
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In honor of Mr. Nimoy...one of the most beautiful songs I know:
Forever Autumn by Justin Hayward.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsCdlX-5UjE
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He lived long and prospered... rip...
The sad reality is that the people we "grew up" with are getting older every day, just like all of us...
Kelley/McCoy; Doohan/Scotty; now Nimoy/Spock... my childhood heroes are going home, one by one... :sad:
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I understand it was end stage emphysema. Too bad.
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RIP Leonard.
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MeTV pulled the scheduled Perry Mason episode tonight and substituted the one where Leonard Nimoy played the murderer. Nice of them to do that.
I found the climax on YT. Whoever said Spock never got emotional? ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy9qVmnA_I4
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R.I.P. Leonard. Thanks for the glimpse into the future.
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Cool guy. Met him 10 years ago, for an exhibition of his photographs. We had a long talk about his childhood and his art. Such a great guy.
Leonard Nimoy spoke at my college. Then years later (in another state) I ended up seeing DeForest Kelley and Walter Koenig--all by coincidence. In real life, Kelley seemed very much like his Dr. McCoy character. Koenig seemed more serious than his Chekhov character. Leonard Nimoy was really an interesting speaker. All these opportunities to see these people were thrown in my lap. Now out of those three only one is left.
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The greatest joy comes from the most unexpected places. ;D
Godspeed, Leonard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFUaHWAJ9_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9NSpAdGxgU
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One of my favorites.
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l111/bigtreebluesea/LEONARD%20NIMOY-BUICK%20RIVIERA%201964_02_zpsbbu4f4u7.jpg) (http://s94.photobucket.com/user/bigtreebluesea/media/LEONARD%20NIMOY-BUICK%20RIVIERA%201964_02_zpsbbu4f4u7.jpg.html)
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This one bummed me out.
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l111/bigtreebluesea/Star%20Trek_zpsugpj2yd6.jpg) (http://s94.photobucket.com/user/bigtreebluesea/media/Star%20Trek_zpsugpj2yd6.jpg.html)
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Old Vulcanians never die, they are just beamed to somewhere else.
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I'm astonished at the public criticism of Shatner for not attending the funeral. The man is in his 80s, was in Florida appearing at a Red Cross charity event the night before -- he had committed to it months before -- and he's supposed to cancel it, leave the charity in the lurch, drop everything and immediately fly to California? All because he worked with the man years ago? Honest to God, get a grip, people. They weren't really Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock.
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I'm astonished at the public criticism of Shatner for not attending the funeral. The man is in his 80s, was in Florida appearing at a Red Cross charity event the night before -- he had committed to it months before -- and he's supposed to cancel it, leave the charity in the lurch, drop everything and immediately fly to California? All because he worked with the man years ago? Honest to God, get a grip, people. They weren't really Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock.
It's just a perfect illustration of how judgmental people have become. Instant communication on a very widespread basis just makes this very easy to do, too. I can almost assure you that many of them know very little of Shatner's and Nimoy's background. Like how close they really were. I am getting genuinely alarmed at the "rush to judgment" mentality of the public in general. I tend to go in the opposite direction, deliberate too much sometimes. That's a fault, too, definitely. But I'd rather be that way than to go off half-cocked making instant judgments based on incomplete info.
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Too many people are A**holes that live out their lives in some fantasy land. They criticize others for doing things that don't fit their fantasy. They don't like their own lives so they impose their agendas on others.
Shatner had a commitment, and it was a worthwhile one to a charity that Nimoy would most likely have endorsed as well.
I'm a Shatner fan, but this is simply the way life happens.
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I don't think that Herr Nimoy is currently in any rush for people to see him, he has all the time in the world.
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Not only that, but what do you think Shatner would be faced with at the funeral? A bunch of ninnies pestering him for a comment, which he sort of made a few days prior. I'm sure they knew this was coming. No need to turn it into a circus.
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True, if I was Shatner, I'd probably visit Spock's new home on some rainy early Sunday morning when there is no one around. It will be besieged by Trekkies forever.
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He can pay his respects at a time of his own choosing... in private...
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Social media is an abomination. Everyone's opinion is now the most important thing on earth and we are experiencing the new era of "mob rule." Everything is playing out in social media these days and we are all now susceptible to the whims of mobs from across the globe. Man are we screwed.
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E Pluribus Screw-em...
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Social media is an abomination. Everyone's opinion is now the most important thing on earth and we are experiencing the new era of "mob rule." Everything is playing out in social media these days and we are all now susceptible to the whims of mobs from across the globe. Man are we screwed.
And I never dreamed I would despise anything so much as the mob rule which you are so accurately describing here. It is a gigantic blow to fact-checking, research, critical thinking skills, accuracy, and God only knows what else.
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Social media is an abomination. Everyone's opinion is now the most important thing on earth and we are experiencing the new era of "mob rule." Everything is playing out in social media these days and we are all now susceptible to the whims of mobs from across the globe. Man are we screwed.
And I never dreamed I would despise anything so much as the mob rule which you are so accurately describing here. It is a gigantic blow to fact-checking, research, critical thinking skills, accuracy, and God only knows what else.
Mob rule is always bad, but the speed at which info can travel through social media isn't necessarily bad. It can call out foolish or dangerous behavior. Are you familiar with the term Streisand effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect)? Social media helps make it possible.
OTOH bandwagon-jumping by people who aren't capable of thinking things through makes me shake my head.
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Social media is an abomination. Everyone's opinion is now the most important thing on earth and we are experiencing the new era of "mob rule." Everything is playing out in social media these days and we are all now susceptible to the whims of mobs from across the globe. Man are we screwed.
I agree.
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I hadn't heard about the Streisand effect. It does seem to be very real sometimes, though. As for communication, sometimes that can be positive or negative, just like the Internet itself. It really does go both ways.
It's Dr. Bassman's point about everyone thinking his opinion is the most important thing on earth which probably bothers me the most. Somehow we really do seem to be getting to this point. That's just not good on so many levels. George Bernard Shaw anticipated our own time when he said--"Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance."
I'll just add that there seems to be a lot of both false knowledge and ignorance going around, too. Needless to say, this often ends up with people pushing their own subjective views as truth.
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Social media is an abomination. Everyone's opinion is now the most important thing on earth and we are experiencing the new era of "mob rule." Everything is playing out in social media these days and we are all now susceptible to the whims of mobs from across the globe. Man are we screwed.
It's not just social media, its the internet in general. I'm all for an exchange of information, knowledge and yeah, even opinion - but as with most things, these too get corrupted by those with an agenda or ax too grind. Facts are manipulated, juxtaposed or omitted, and many people never bother to question the veracity or the source - they just repost. Opinion and speculation become fact - de facto - and we all know that perception is reality these days.
One thing is for certain - human beings can invariably be counted on to screw up a good thing.
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There is need for a new communications skill - actually not completely new, but very important: assessing the source of any information. People are doing a bad job of this, even though much of the misinformation and outright lies on the interwebs comes with warning flags all over it.
It also shows that people tend to read stuff that reinforces their existing belief set, not that which challenges it.
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There is need for a new communications skill - actually not completely new, but very important: assessing the source of any information. People are doing a bad job of this, even though much of the misinformation and outright lies on the interwebs comes with warning flags all over it.
I saw this in action just yesterday when someone shared a story about a pet death, a beagle in Maryland (IIRC) who died after eating a treat sold at Walmart or Sam's. No autopsy, no evidence that the treat had anything to do with the dog's death, but the dog's owner feels that the treat caused the death. It's possible, of course, but nothing to back it up but her feelings. So now a squad of morons is sharing posts all over FB based on nothing, and probably destroying the treat manufacturer's business.
It also shows that people tend to read stuff that reinforces their existing belief set, not that which challenges it.
For sure. Too many people enjoy being in an echo chamber.
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Years ago I remember reading an enjoyable book which helped people try to understand what type of person they were. For example, idealist, realist, pragmatist, etc. It was a lightweight book mostly written for fun. But it did have some valid points. If you scored as a realist, it offered you the following advice:
You are a realist. You tell the truth. But people don't want to hear the truth; they just want to hear something that's going to make them feel good.
Back in George Washington's time when I went to school, we actually had to write a lot of research papers, theses, etc. We had to do research, question secondary sources, search for and then read and analyze primary sources, and draw our own conclusions. In the process, I began to discover what it was like to think for myself rather than blindly following what others might have said. I don't know how much this kind of thing is still going on in the educational system, but judging from what I see a lot--especially on the Internet--I have to wonder. But a herd mentality seems to be alive and well with no signs of letting up.
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Drug laced dog treats have hit major headlines in Europe with a dog death post the UK's top dog championships...
Re Streisand Effect... somewhat akin to reverse psychology...?
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Drug laced dog treats have hit major headlines in Europe with a dog death post the UK's top dog championships...
Re Streisand Effect... somewhat akin to reverse psychology...?
I read about the incident at Crufts, but what I was referring to wasn't about poison at all. The owner was claiming that the treat wasn't digested properly and broke apart in her dog's stomach. That may be true, but even if it is, it may not have anything to do with her dog dying. My problem with the whole matter is that it's a rush to judgment, never mind the lack of evidence.
The Streisand Effect isn't about reverse psychology, it's about an unintended boomerang effect. You try to silence someone to hide a problem (e.g. corruption) and you wind up calling more attention to it.
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Drug laced dog treats have hit major headlines in Europe with a dog death post the UK's top dog championships...
Re Streisand Effect... somewhat akin to reverse psychology...?
I look at the Streisand Effect as being akin to the Law of Unintended Consequences.
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I read about the incident at Crufts, but what I was referring to wasn't about poison at all. The owner was claiming that the treat wasn't digested properly and broke apart in her dog's stomach. That may be true, but even if it is, it may not have anything to do with her dog dying. My problem with the whole matter is that it's a rush to judgment, never mind the lack of evidence.
The Streisand Effect isn't about reverse psychology, it's about an unintended boomerang effect. You try to silence someone to hide a problem (e.g. corruption) and you wind up calling more attention to it.
I don't want to sound like a broken record, but this increasing tendency the public seems to have to rush to judgment despite lack of evidence honestly troubles me a lot. I notice it all the time now. My only real observation on the matter is that people don't seem to have the patience they used to have. They want things done quickly, period.
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Got on both cheers Dave... agree about rush to as (obviously) the owners (in Belgium) and press here are reporting "facts" before they exist - toxicology reports have not been produced and probably won't be for weeks yet, when the story will have drifted away...
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Here's an example of the Streisand Effect in action with a little dose of Godwin's Law
Apartment Complex Claims Copyright Of Tenants' Reviews And Photos, Charges $10k Fee For Criticism (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150311/07073930286/apartment-complex-claims-copyright-tenants-reviews-photos-charges-10k-fee-criticism.shtml)
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Yep... nice... ta... :o