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Title: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: lowend1 on April 15, 2014, 04:12:39 PM
Doesn't sound encouraging...
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/conflicting-reports-surface-regarding-acdcs-future/
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: TBird1958 on April 15, 2014, 04:32:45 PM


 Sad if that's true about Malcom, he's actually one of my fave guitarists.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: lowend1 on April 15, 2014, 04:42:39 PM
Last year sometime, Brian Johnson said in an interview that "one of the guys has been very ill", but that a full recovery was expected. News like this does tend to find its way out eventually, though. Malcolm is the soul of that band - I think it would be nearly impossible to continue without him.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Dave W on April 15, 2014, 07:54:07 PM
I hope it's not true that he's had a stroke. There are conflicting reports.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Basvarken on April 15, 2014, 11:05:39 PM
Sad news indeed. Or rather; sad rumours.

In this day and age huge bands seem to have to keep going because there is too much money involved. AC/DC have always said they would not continue if any of the guys had to stop. IMHO that would be the only right thing to do. But let's hope Malcolm recovers.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 05:31:30 AM
I hope Herr Young, senior, gets well soon, but his health has been shaky in the past and they have done tours without him. Johnson had to be coaxed into recording Black Ice, he believed he couldn't do it convincingly anymore because of his age (I saw him live on the Black Ice tour, he was fine as was the band). This doesn't need to be the end of AC/DC, Malcolm can always retire as a Brian Wilson type figure that writes and produces.

AC/DC survived the death of Bon Scott after all and even took a leap in popularity, no one believed that at the time.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Granny Gremlin on April 16, 2014, 05:53:13 AM
That was in the 70s and they were still a youthful niche act though.  Have they really toured without Malcom before?  That surprises me (personally I'd feel ripped off if I bought tickets). 

ACDC have just barely avoided the decrepitude that affects most aging rockers (as epitomised by The Stones); just barely.  A sure sign of this is all their best records being behind them (after 2-3, you know you're over the hill).  This is much worse with the Stones, who are a good comparison in this regard.  Even though Keith doesn't do much anymore on stage (between Ronnie and whatever young gun they hire for a given tour; and especially compared to Malcom) you still expect to see him hunched over in offtime strum follow-through, or it ain't the Stones.  No evil elf in school uniform shuffling across the stage playing a doubletime lead part and it's just not ACDC anymore.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 06:23:51 AM
Does this sound grotesquely un-AC/DCish to you? Be truthful, Jake! It's Malcolm's nephew Stevie stepping in for him (due to Malcolm's alcoholism) on the 1988 tour. If you had been there that night you wouldn't have had a better view and if no one would have told you beforehand you would not have noticed but cheered on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ynaiGYlrFo

Let's face it: 90% of the people in those stadiums didn't care or didn't know and did not realize. They wouldn't recognize Malcolm Young on the street. To them AC/DC is the music (his music, granted) and the two frontmen, Angus and Brian.

KK Downing's lead and rhythm playing as well as his "Flying V and leather, blond mane"-look were instrumental (no pun intended) to Judas Priest's sound and image, he was also a major songwriter, but Priest didn't really miss a step replacing him. Yes, a few true believers miss him, everyone else likes the youthful enthusiasm and easy attitude of the new guy. And, yes, I do hear the difference when Roger Glover is ad hoc replaced in, uhum, "that band that isn't as popular as the Sex Pistols" one day ahead of a gig due to a bad arm and they get some talented finger player in and it mars the DP experience for me, but would you care or 90% of the people who came to hear Smoke on the water?

I can understand the grief of Malcolm's bandmates about him not being able to play anymore, but AC/DC will not be selling one ticket less if they tour with someone credible taking his place. With all due respect, I believe there are a handful guitarists out there who can ape Malcolm's rhythm playing well enough to sustain the illusion for the regular concert goer. Very few instrumentalists are really irreplaceable in rock bands when it comes to live performances.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: lowend1 on April 16, 2014, 06:42:50 AM
Very few instrumentalists are really irreplaceable in rock bands when it comes to live performances.

True. There is probably even somebody out there who could replace Steve Morse in Deep Purple...
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 07:12:18 AM
That guy in Blackmore's Night wouldn't be bad ...  Yngwie Malmsteen once volunteered for it, the Purps thought better, out of the frying pan, into the fire ... Satriani made the grade, got an offer, but turned staying with DP down after the world tour (I saw him once, he did fine, but prefer Morse's rhythm groove), as he says today not wishing to play in Blackmore's shadow forever.

Morse is a tricky one - he is not Mr Charisma on stage nor has he played on any holy trinity of DP albums, on the other hand he is technically so good and idiosynchratic in his style that it needs a good player to replace him - but there are thousands of kids out there who are technically great players and who would give their left nut to play in a band almost as musically honed and adept as the Sex Pistols.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Granny Gremlin on April 16, 2014, 07:15:32 AM
Does this sound grotesquely un-AC/DCish to you? Be truthful, Jake! It's Malcolm's nephew Stevie stepping in for him (due to Malcolm's alcoholism) on the 1988 tour. If you had been there that night you wouldn't have had a better view and if no one would have told you beforehand you would not have noticed but cheered on.

Actually yes, something seems off about the intro/lead line but maybe it's just tuning or warped audio in the old analog recording... it does seem like he's not playing it right ... [checking album version] yep - timing, dynamics and feel is all wrong or at least different; he's only playing one note (duotone) for the first few bars and then it sounds like a few flubs in there when he tries to bring the rest in (or at least sloppy playing - no matter how hot/sweaty/tired Malcom was he was never that sloppy - I heard them live on their home turf 3 years ago; dude is rock solid and yes, they played this song).  Tsk, tsk, Uwe that you didn't notice.  Also, it's totally bullshit that the nephew is pretending to be the real thing down to the moves.  Be honest and be yourself.  You could call me out on critisising being too Malcom visually, and not Malcom enough musically,  but I am one who values consistency - if you're different, be different, if you're filling shoes, then bloody well fill them. 
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 07:36:28 AM
I shouldn't have told you!  :mrgreen: Darn little AC/DC geek,

(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120108001808/beavisandbutthead/images/b/b1/Butt-head.png)

don't you just loathe the fact how I saw them in 1976 in a smaller hall close up and still with Bon Scott?  :-* AND I DIDN'T EVEN LIKE THEM!!!!!!

Doesn't change the fact that I hope for the little A-chordin' rrrrrrhythm munchkin to get well soon.

(http://render.fineartamerica.com/images/images-iphone5-cases-covers-medium/images-medium-5/malcolm-young-andre-koekemoer.jpg)



Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: gearHed289 on April 16, 2014, 08:21:02 AM
Sometimes ending it is just the right thing to do. Like Zeppelin after Bonham's death. The Who should have done the same.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: luve2fli on April 16, 2014, 09:19:45 AM
Latest from the AC/DC camp:

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On 16th April 2014, in response to earlier reports that the band may be retiring due to Malcolm Young being seriously ill and unable to perform, Brian Johnson commented that AC/DC are not retiring, stating "We are definitely getting together in May in Vancouver. We're going to pick up guitars, have a plonk and see if anybody has got any tunes or ideas. If anything happens we'll record it." AC/DC subsequently announced on their Facebook page that Malcolm Young would be taking a break from the band due to his health.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/10769783/ACDC-We-are-not-retiring.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/10769783/ACDC-We-are-not-retiring.html)

Guess they're going the way of the Who after all ...... hey, if you've still got something to say with musical relevance - go for it. I'd love to hear a follow up to Black Ice.

Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 09:40:32 AM
Sometimes ending it is just the right thing to do. Like Zeppelin after Bonham's death. The Who should have done the same.

And Plant has stuck to his guns about it all these years/decades - I find that very impressive. His refusal to return for anything other than special events has kept the Zeppelin aura intact.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Granny Gremlin on April 16, 2014, 10:31:57 AM
Special events being shrinking bank accounts?  Remember No Quarter. Those were some pricey concert tickets even by today's standards.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 10:38:40 AM
I don't think that Robert Plant has ever been in the need to sing a note to make money since sometime, say, 1972.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Granny Gremlin on April 16, 2014, 10:50:05 AM
I think you underestimate a rock star's ability to blow away money.  :P

... or bad investments... or just plain greed. Who knows.  But that sure wasn't no special occasion and it was mostly if not all Zep tunes (their second guitarist on the Toronto tour dates was the dude from the Cure FYI.... not Robert Smith, the other guy... no coincidence to me that the very next Cure record, Wish, had some of their best guitar work ever, and is my second favorite; not to be judged by the rather unrepresentative/out of place single).
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 11:00:39 AM
"They are one of the best-selling music artists in the history of audio recording; various sources estimate the group's record sales at 200 to 300 million units worldwide. With 111.5 million RIAA-certified units, they are the second-best-selling band in the United States. Each of their nine studio albums placed on the Billboard Top 10 and six reached the number-one spot."

And the new 2014 remasters with an extra CD of studio outtakes of each album aren't even out yet - that will add at least another ten million sales or so ... Zep fans are devoted and - unlike Sex Pistols fans - they upgrade the sonic qualities of what they already know and love given the chance.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/led-zeppelin-box-sets/

The royalties from Stairway to Heaven alone leave the familes Bonham, Page, Jones and Page nothing to worry about - to this day.

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/how-much-is-stairway-to-heaven-worth-161369/
 
What has the world come to that I of all people wave the Zep flag here?  ???


PS: Royalty intake of that "Smoke on the Something" song by that other band less famous than the Sex Pistols is still 250-500 k GBP for each one of the credited five writers - to this day.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Granny Gremlin on April 16, 2014, 11:21:59 AM
Of course.  That is a lot of money.  But this is not my point.  The point was to dispute the following:

And Plant has stuck to his guns about it all these years/decades - I find that very impressive. His refusal to return for anything other than special events has kept the Zeppelin aura intact.

No Quarter was not such a special event.... aside from the fact that you could hear most of Zep (technically half, but both primary songwriters tips the scale just so; not to dimminish Bohnam and JPJ who are/were awesome musicians) playing Zep tunes live in NA  for the first time since 1977 (20ish years), but counting that as the special occasion is putting the cart before the horse.

That said, he did better than most in this regard (notable exception: The Beatles) and I do not begrudge him for it (even if it was a cash grab; there was certainly demand for it).
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 11:33:46 AM
It's no secret that the other two have been asking Plant again and again since the 80ies to do a tour - everyone would be laughing all the way to the bank. Plant has refused anything but one-offs, even to the point of straining his business relations and friendship to the other two. He's probably not the easiest person to get around with and I never liked him as a frontman, but I believe he has truly left his "hammer of a rock god" image and doesn't sleep at night with his windows open to hear the cry for a Zep reunion. He has defied Zep fan expectations around the world with his solo stuff to the point of being sadistic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YVRxAX6fwg

Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Granny Gremlin on April 16, 2014, 11:36:05 AM
Tru dat.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: TBird1958 on April 16, 2014, 11:41:41 AM

 Having never been a huge Zep fan I'm glad Plant moved on -  revisiting the past would be kind to him, less so to Page, it's not like he's getting less sloppy with age! 
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Dave W on April 16, 2014, 11:52:47 AM
Can we PLEASE not turn this into yet another discussion of Led Zeppelin?  >:(
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 12:00:33 PM
I like that too and I like the album he did with Frau Krauss, lame adult contemporary as it might be. And of course Page could do worthwhile things if he got his butt of his Led Zep rock god throne. The Coverdale Page album for all Led Zep mannerisms had its moments, so did the Clarksdale album with Plant (I saw them on tour, it was a bit too Zeppish or me already) and I'm one of the few people who think that you could get a decent album out of the material of the two The Firm releases.

Page is an interesting and even daring acoustic guitarist, all those strange stringed instruments and wild tunings he does, why we haven't seen his guitar Tubular Bells on acoustic instruments is beyond me. It would sell shitloads too. It almost seems that without Plant in the rehearsal room he can't really write, he needs him as his foil.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 12:08:41 PM
Can we PLEASE not turn this into yet another discussion of Led Zeppelin?  >:(

Ah, the un-stadium rocker! Tom started it, 'twasn't Jake and me, we always only go on about DP and SP (seriously) plus Polish-German borders (in jest), which are different things altogether!!! Now that AC/DC will not split up, but continue to ride the Rock'n'Roll Gravy Train some more, what's wrong with moving from one stadium act to another? The similarities are obvious, they both either lost or face the prospect of losing a key member, they both had the option to continue or not, and between them they have written the second and third US National Anthem.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Dave W on April 16, 2014, 12:09:20 PM
Let's start a new sub-forum for shitty bands that couldn't rock 'n' roll and broke up long ago. Zep will naturally be the main topic of discussion.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Dave W on April 16, 2014, 12:13:27 PM
I'm not especially fond of AC/DC. But I was reading this article (http://www.guitarworld.com/30-30-greatest-guitarists-picked-greatest-guitarists) a couple of days ago, and IMHO Angus just hit the nail on the head: "...even on a bad night, Chuck Berry is a lot better than Clapton will ever be."

You go, Angus!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 12:17:48 PM
"shitty bands that couldn't rock 'n' roll and broke up long ago"

 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Dave, you are a walking talking minority opinion!!! And if this isn't rock'n'roll - sonically, visually and by the sheer excitement and good time of it - to even the most avid Led Zep hater, I don't know what is. Open your heart. Don't be like the Catholic Church and deny the obvious.  :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Hb9ABpyts
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: 4stringer77 on April 16, 2014, 12:23:47 PM
Hope Malcom is doing ok. AC/DC was a big part of my love affair with rock once I started growing hair on my sac. If they didn't make another album I wouldn't be too worried. I'll just listen to the stuff from their prime or turn on the radio.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Dave W on April 16, 2014, 12:31:05 PM
"shitty bands that couldn't rock 'n' roll and broke up long ago"

 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Dave, you are a walking talking minority opinion!!! And if this isn't rock'n'roll - sonically, visually and by the sheer excitement and good time of it - to even the most avid Led Zep hater, I don't know what is. Open your heart. Don't be like the Catholic Church and deny the obvious.  :)



You're just determined to turn this into another Zep thread. Nope, not biting.

Get well, Malcolm.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 12:32:19 PM
I'm not especially fond of AC/DC. But I was reading this article (http://www.guitarworld.com/30-30-greatest-guitarists-picked-greatest-guitarists) a couple of days ago, and IMHO Angus just hit the nail on the head: "...even on a bad night, Chuck Berry is a lot better than Clapton will ever be."

You go, Angus!  :thumbsup:

Yawn. Knocking Clapton as "can't play, can't rock, can't really play the blues" is strikingly original and sooooo risque! And Eric would be too much of a gentleman to ever compare himself with Chuck (or anyone else, he was never in the competiton thing except when he was an adolescent, he left Cream to get out of it, wanting to be Robbie Robertson instead).

Angus Young is a loudmouth with a chip on his shoulder because his Aussie club band was looked down upon by US and British acts in the early to mid-seventies, that's all.

Angus and his brother write songs as 60-year olds about important things like rock'n'roll trains and Eric Clapton wrote songs in his forties about unsubstantial stuff like losing a child as a father. To each his own.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 12:35:28 PM
Uhum ...

Angus Young from AC/DC has some nice words to say about Eddie Van Halen…

“AC/DC played on a bill with Van Halen back in 1978 or 1979 for a Bill Graham Day on the Green show. I didn’t know much about Van Halen then except that I remember seeing film clips of them, especially the one of Eddie playing the solo piece, ‘Eruption,’ and I was very impressed. I didn’t meet Eddie until years later when there was a Monsters of Rock open-air festival in England. I was shocked to hear he liked my playing, because I’ve never rated myself as a guitarist.
 
“Eddie is an innovator. When I grew up we had a lot of guys from England who were great players, like Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, and Jeff Beck. And then, of course, when Jimi Hendrix came along, he changed the game. I’d put Eddie in that category of being an innovator like Hendrix. He changed the game for his style of playing. When Eddie came along he spawned so many imitators. Like Hendrix, suddenly you started to see people wanting to buy the same guitars he played and also play his licks. He turned the rule book upside down in terms of his approach. There was a lot of experimentation to his playing. Eddie also crosses into that avant-garde thing, which puts him in the same category as Hendrix.
 
“‘Eruption‘ is a favorite track. He’s got everything characteristic of his playing in that song–there’s a bit of everything.
 
“When Jimi Hendrix came along it was like, ‘Where did this guy come from?’ and I think that was the same feeling with Eddie. When Eddie appeared on the scene, every guitarist I ran into said, ‘You’ve gotta hear this guy!’”
 
—Angus Young


Read more: http://www.vhnd.com/2011/08/31/angus-young-on-eddie-van-halen/#ixzz2z501wACT
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Dave W on April 16, 2014, 12:44:03 PM
Hey, at least you're talking about Angus now.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 12:44:49 PM
"You're just determined to turn this into another Zep thread. Nope, not biting."

No, I seek out uncorroborated, hilarious statements like "Zep can't play rock'n'roll". I learned that from someone here.

(http://i.computer-bild.de/imgs/3/2/3/1/8/8/6/Fulminanter-Bilderzauber-Disneys-Vorzeige-Ikone-Mickey-Maus-entfuehrt-als-680x686-e391e74a3529da48.jpg)
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 12:48:29 PM
Hey, at least you're talking about Angus now.

Pah, I had the guy drop sweat on me (while Bon Scott carried him around in Jahrhunderthalle in Frankfurt, they even did this as an opening act) when you still thought AC/DC had something to do with electricity and that all Australian rock stars looked something like Olivia Newton-John!  :) Anybody here who has seen AC/DC as early as 1976? It was my first darn rock concert ever.

(http://www.dio.net/pictures_tickets/19761006_poster.jpg)

And I saw them (because they had Judas Priest as an opening act, playing in Germany for the first time) in November 1979 again, a few weeks before Bon Scott's death ...

(http://9websites.com/concerts/19791120.jpg)

Plus on the Black Ice tour, so there!  :P I even paid good money for the "Got live if you want it" and "Let there be Rock" LPs. When I first heard "Highway to Hell" at a party my thought was: "Oh, so they've learned the art of melody after all, about time too!" (Even though at that time "A Touch Too Much" was the bigger hit.)


PS: Hey, I even admit that my first band "Thunderbolt", founded in 1977, covered "Whole Lotta Love Rosie" around 1978 or so. People used to like it (along with Blitzkrieg Bop of the Ramones and Kick out the Jams from the MC5, we were eclectic!). I can still play it too! Guitarist used to - hoy! - drive me - hoy! - nuts with the - hoy! -  "TNT" riff at - hoy! - rehoy!sals. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: TBird1958 on April 16, 2014, 12:51:52 PM

 Regretfully........I've never seen AC/DC.

Regretfully, I saw LZ in '74. Worst show ever, they couldn't rock then!

I  wish I could trade my expieriences  :sad:
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 16, 2014, 02:15:44 PM
Not all your experiences, Mark!!!  :o What is and what should never be.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: TBird1958 on April 16, 2014, 03:06:47 PM
Not all your experiences, Mark!!!  :o What is and what should never be.  :mrgreen:

 A girl has to have *some* secrets  ;)


Now I really wish I'd seen AC/DC tho............Even drugs couldn't help LZ!
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Aussie Mark on April 16, 2014, 03:39:56 PM
Official announcement on their webpage confirms that Malcolm is taking a break and that the band will still be "making music" in his absence.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Highlander on April 16, 2014, 04:38:42 PM
Openers
Home (ACDC link) at Wembley in '74 (SLade)
Heavy Metal Kids at Wembley in '75 (Alice Cooper)
ACDC in '76 at a pub called the Red Cow, around the corner from the Odeon (not me, my best man - I first saw them the last BS tour), with BS wearing a kilt and playing bagpipes, badly... :mrgreen:
Iron Maiden at a pub called the Feathers in Kingsbury in '79 - the place was otherwise known as the Soundhouse (as in the EP name)
Police at the Rainbow '78 (Spirit!?!?)
Loads of other odd ones...
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: lowend1 on April 16, 2014, 06:16:33 PM
...with BS wearing a kilt and playing bagpipes, badly... :mrgreen:

How does one qualify playing the bagpipes "badly"? - I've never been able to tell the difference...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJACPfUU3nk
Saw them in '79 with Bon - opening for Uncle Ted at Madison Square Garden, and then a year or so later - headlining at the Palladium in NYC with Brian Johnson. Def Leppard was the opening act on their first trip over here.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: gweimer on April 16, 2014, 06:56:01 PM
I saw LZ from very far away and loved them.  I saw AC/DC while barely knowing who they were.  It was an outdoor show, and as we walked into the backstage area, the band sounded just like the record.  I became a fan that day.  Bon Scott and I talked at the river's edge for about half an hour over a beer.    8)
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 17, 2014, 05:29:18 AM
Bagpipes are hellishly difficult to play, I once tried for half an hour and failed miserably, couldn't get one note out of the dead animal hide.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Granny Gremlin on April 17, 2014, 05:58:23 AM
Frick.  I was mixin up me Youngs this whole time like a fricken dink.    How embarrassing.  Way to play the long game  Uwe.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: mc2NY on April 17, 2014, 06:16:54 AM
Bagpipes are hellishly difficult to play, I once tried for half an hour and failed miserably, couldn't get one note out of the dead animal hide.

Rather funny that the Scotts and the Irish, celebrated for their drinking skills, would be the main keepers of such a Godawful "musical" instrument.  Is there actually a way to tell the difference between a good bagpipe player and a bad one? 

I hope AC/DC makes it thru the health issues. They've always seemed a like able bunch. I remember my surprise years back when I saw they were in the top all-time selling rock acts.

Maybe the band can muster a final live send off by playing the next Super Bowl?  THAT would be a lot more fun than many of the other recent acts chosen for that show.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: lowend1 on April 17, 2014, 07:28:01 AM
Maybe the band can muster a final live send off by playing the next Super Bowl?  THAT would be a lot more fun than many of the other recent acts chosen for that show.

I always worry that things like that could easily turn into things like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vgVj3P7cwI
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: gearHed289 on April 17, 2014, 07:55:44 AM
And Plant has stuck to his guns about it all these years/decades - I find that very impressive. His refusal to return for anything other than special events has kept the Zeppelin aura intact.

And this is why he is still a golden god to me.  8)

Dave, you are a walking talking minority opinion!!!

Uwe, you picked the words right out of my brain!

But, to each his own. I've never been an AC/DC fan, or owned any of their records, but I still find this sad. Best wishes to Malcolm and his family.

Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 17, 2014, 08:06:20 AM
"Frick.  I was mixin up me Youngs this whole time like a fricken dink.    How embarrassing.  Way to play the long game  Uwe."

(Enter Uwe, carefully strutting and taking his time to relish every moment, then in his most gracious, mock-jovial and glib tone ...) Oh, I wondered about that only once ("Is dear Jake confused again?"), but then discarded the thought. On the other hand weren't you the sweetheart who thought the lead singer of the Sex Pistols was Dave Vanian, dearest?  :mrgreen:

Actually, if Angus position was debatable in AC/DC, I'd be with you, can't see them going on without him on stage. Malcolm - though the key songwriter, band leader and nothing gets done within the AC/DC organisation against his say - is more a Keith Richards type figure with AC/DC, the Stones without Keith Richard could still fill stadiums (though it would be a severe loss to the image), but not without Mick Jagger. Having Malcolm's position in mind, I made the comment that he could be a Brian Wilson (a man who used to play with the Beach Boys, Jake, they were early proto-punk) type figure, stay at home, write songs, play in the studio and keep the AC/DC heart beating.

Also puts your comment about the 1988 vid into perspective, you insulted Angus right there and you know it.  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

"it does seem like he's not playing it right ... [checking album version] yep - timing, dynamics and feel is all wrong or at least different; he's only playing one note (duotone) for the first few bars and then it sounds like a few flubs in there when he tries to bring the rest in (or at least sloppy playing - no matter how hot/sweaty/tired Malcom was he was never that sloppy -"

The wrath of the AC/DC community will be on you (I'd change addresses while you still can!) and you will realize how hell ain't a bad place to be.  :mrgreen: A written apology to Stevie Young seems to be in order too, young man!!! Because he did not move like Malcolm Young in that vid, Malcolm moves like a hobbit/munchkin, if at all!!!  ;D

I'm not over-awed by Angus' lead playing (but he does what he does well), it sure hasn't developed much over the decades. He's a harsh player (like Rory Gallagher or Johnny Winter), which is not a bad thing, and he uses no effects (like the ones named before and like incidentally Ritchie Blackmore too), which is commendable, but I prefer how someone like Rory Gallagher sometimes took off with the pentatonic blues stuff into another realm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt4EHpQJ-FA
(Look Dave, absolutely no Led Zeppelin content!)

Live Angus is a pro, but he's not obsessed with accuracy, certainly not in his solos, how could he be when he's putting on an athletic show, it's his brother Malcolm's playing I would attribute with the term "rock-solid".

Rumor had it that on at least the early AC/DC albums Malcolm did all the rhythm parts for groove reasons and his perfection at what he does. That wouldn't surprise me and it is not wholly unusual in bands with a dominant rhythm player. Similar things have been said about the Scorpions (Rudolf Schenker), Kiss (Paul Stanley) and Metallica (Hetfield).

But thank's for 'fessing up, Jake. Now if you'd also correct that historic inaccuracy about Germany having attacked Poland in 1939 when we all know that it was a classic defense measure after largely unprovoked border incidents ...  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:



Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Granny Gremlin on April 17, 2014, 09:00:44 AM
but then discarded the thought. On the other hand weren't you the sweetheart who thought the lead singer of the Sex Pistols was Dave Vanian, dearest?  :mrgreen:

Goodness no!  I probably am more into The Damned than the Pistols these days, though, and  I am utterly horrible with names generally.

I know you tease but damn that one cut to the quick.  :-[

... which also leaves the question - how wasted was Angus in that vid you posted?  I have never heard him play that badly.  I knew they partied harder back in the day but all the older live stuff I've watched was not that bad.  He also looked  younger than he does in Let There be Rock (longer hair + camera distance/quality smoothes the lines).  ... though back then, he hadn't come up with his doubletime lead part schtick yet.

He's not as sloppy at Rio in 1985, but now that I'm really paying attention, much sloppier than recently (Perth 2010 was when I caught them - hometown [almost - Fremantle, where Scott grew up, is the next town over]  so there was no way were were getting in - we sat in the park outside along with, like 200, other folks - bloody loud and clear). 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIrJpeQ-Pgw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh_Xv3aK7vY


Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 17, 2014, 09:40:43 AM
Make no mistake, what Angus did and continues to do is physically exhausting, the three times I've seen him, he never looked healthy, his skin tends to be especially shot, even when he was still an adolescent in 1976, sweat pimples everywhere. He's a hardy type, but he never looked like he was properly taking care of himself. The unfortunate Bon Scott, otoh, was always brimming with health at the two gigs I saw him, but look who survived. Both Young brothers were hard drinkers, but maybe all that exercise on stage did Angus some good as compared to his elder brother.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: lowend1 on April 17, 2014, 09:51:47 AM
Both Young brothers were hard drinkers, but maybe all that exercise on stage did Angus some good as compared to his elder brother.

Both smokers, too, IIRC...
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Granny Gremlin on April 17, 2014, 10:17:09 AM
Yeah, booze is the eternal tragedy of the band.

And so we come full circle.  I have always enjoyed Malcoms rythmn work and respected him, knowing he was the songwriter but was satisfied to not take the spotlight and never cave in to  wankery.  Not that it's technically complex to play his parts, but I know few guitarists who would  do it well just because they'd be wanting to do more (too much) the whole time.  He leaves space  and breathing room in the song.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: gweimer on April 17, 2014, 10:24:50 AM
Make no mistake, what Angus did and continues to do is physically exhausting, the three times I've seen him, he never looked healthy, his skin tends to be especially shot, even when he was still an adolescent in 1976, sweat pimples everywhere. He's a hardy type, but he never looked like he was properly taking care of himself. The unfortunate Bon Scott, otoh, was always brimming with health at the two gigs I saw him, but look who survived. Both Young brothers were hard drinkers, but maybe all that exercise on stage did Angus some good as compared to his elder brother.

When I saw them in '79(?), the venue was a ball park in Davenport, IA (minor league, I assume).  Angus came running off the side of the stage at one point, eyes rolled back in his head like a madman, and proceeded to run around the entire stadium as he soloed, and was then lifted by forklift back to the stage at the other side.  My chat with Bon after their set, he was very relaxed and didn't appear under the influence of much other than the sun.  UFO, on the other hand, spent way too much time in the AC/DC trailer, and came pouring out to start their set late.  They also fell up the stairs leading to the stage.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: amptech on April 18, 2014, 12:13:18 AM
Both Young brothers were hard drinkers, but maybe all that exercise on stage did Angus some good as compared to his elder brother.

Since when did angus drink? Is´t that why he can still run around, him being careful with alcohol?

This is very sad, hope he gets well. He is a brilliant guitar player, and there is no doubt  he is (or at least was) the musical driving force in the band.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Highlander on April 18, 2014, 12:39:44 AM
Deed sumwon menshun the pipes...?

Something modern...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBaotAJ9zBo

Something live...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXCsHq4vU2k

The National Anthem...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwNTWaMHv2E

It's in your soul, or it's just a noise...
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 18, 2014, 07:16:30 AM
I've always liked bagpipes, they have a solemn quality. I don't mind the "side drone" or the quavering nature of the individual notes at all.

Isn't that marathon military bagpiping (which always has the Queen take headache pills before) currently going on in Edinburgh? 
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Highlander on April 18, 2014, 07:46:30 AM
Och, yer a wee bit early, laddie... ;)

1st to 23rd August (http://www.edintattoo.co.uk/?gclid=CLPh7_uh6r0CFWsTwwodpIMAxQ)

Rather funny that the Scotts and the Irish, celebrated for their drinking skills, would be the main keepers of such a Godawful "musical" instrument.

Aye young Jon McTwony, but think o' it like the 11 o'clork Princess, and it'll aw turn oot fine agin... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Basvarken on April 18, 2014, 02:17:08 PM
Let the bagpipes bring us back to AC/DC.
No it's not that clip with Bon....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOhebHW2uTU
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: nofi on April 19, 2014, 07:59:45 AM
bagpipes seem to work well at funerals. really! they add that melancholy, lonely vibe that is perfect for the occasion.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: uwe on April 22, 2014, 11:26:52 AM
Like I said: solemn.
Title: Re: AC/DC Finished?
Post by: Highlander on April 22, 2014, 01:36:34 PM
... and the way it carries across the hills when it's played...