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Title: There killing our language
Post by: the mojo hobo on October 14, 2013, 08:36:28 AM
Every day I read something that shows me that the internet media either doesn't know the language or doesn't care to state things correctly but this takes the cake:

http://www.zdnet.com/lanx-offers-a-glimce-into-its-decision-to-use-virtustream-for-cloud-services-7000021905/

(The misuse of There in the topic title is intentional)
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: nofi on October 14, 2013, 09:02:52 AM
it's been going on so long i hardly notice anymore. imo they don't care. its become the status quo on the interwebs. sad situation not to be fixed anytime soon. :P
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: lowend1 on October 14, 2013, 09:13:12 AM
Don't get me started. Some of my favorites:
The contraction "must've" (must have), which more and more I see written as "must of".
The your / you're dilemma
Butchery of the past tense - Instead of "the strings need to be changed", we have "the strings need changed".
It's not just the media.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Denis on October 14, 2013, 09:43:26 AM
I commensurate with you two.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Pilgrim on October 14, 2013, 10:00:16 AM
Yes, you all have my symphony.

"Lanx offers a glimce into its decision to use Virtustream for cloud services"

Glimce?  Isn't he the one who stole Xmas?
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: TBird1958 on October 14, 2013, 11:00:22 AM

 On the news everyday "He pleaded not guilty" instead of "he plead not guilty"

Drives me crazy.......
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: gweimer on October 14, 2013, 11:34:17 AM
Yep...we're loosing controls of our language.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: lowend1 on October 14, 2013, 12:34:29 PM
My other favorite - "supposebly"
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: 4stringer77 on October 14, 2013, 01:30:38 PM
I could not care less. Often said incorrectly as I could care less.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Psycho Bass Guy on October 14, 2013, 02:16:44 PM
wut U meenz???
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: gweimer on October 14, 2013, 02:46:59 PM
wut U meenz???

Just ax me.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Dave W on October 14, 2013, 02:49:46 PM
On the news everyday "He pleaded not guilty" instead of "he plead not guilty"

Drives me crazy.......

Actually pleaded is usually preferred to pled. You'll find it more often in legal writings.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Dave W on October 14, 2013, 02:51:14 PM
You know you're in Minnesota when somebody asks you to borrow them something. This long predates the internet.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Dave W on October 14, 2013, 04:06:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjLrFLYGdPM
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Hörnisse on October 14, 2013, 06:09:23 PM
We are becoming the movie "Idiocracy."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBvIweCIgwk
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Hörnisse on October 14, 2013, 06:13:56 PM
You know you're in Minnesota when somebody asks you to borrow them something. This long predates the internet.

When I was a young man in the early 80's I worked at a sheet metal shop with a bunch of North Dakotans.  They would sometimes ask me. "Could you borrow me a dollar." 
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: westen44 on October 14, 2013, 09:07:55 PM
We are becoming the movie "Idiocracy."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBvIweCIgwk

Maybe even worse than that. 
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: will33 on October 14, 2013, 09:52:42 PM
You know you're in Minnesota when somebody asks you to borrow them something. This long predates the internet.

I know, I grew up there.


To, too, and two.  ( <---note the Oxford comma). :)

I hate text message speak.  I can't stand spellcheck programs.  I am a better "spellchecker" than the computer, it jumps off the page at me.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: rahock on October 15, 2013, 04:36:18 AM
wut U meenz???

I dunno wut you meenz buy this. If it would've been me, I'd've axed something more pacific, cause I've cleant up my act some.
Rick
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Denis on October 15, 2013, 05:14:11 AM
Sometimes when I'm in Pennsylvania at the annual motorcycle meet I'll ask if a certain friend has arrived, the answer I receive is "I think he's here yet" if he has arrived.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: the mojo hobo on October 15, 2013, 05:16:39 AM

To, too, and two.  ( <---note the Oxford comma). :)

I hate text message speak.  I can't stand spellcheck programs.  I am a better "spellchecker" than the computer, it jumps off the page at me.


You piqued my interest there. I hadn't heard of the Oxford comma before, but realized that I often use it.

My phone makes it easy to use full words in text messages by automatically suggesting correctly spelled words. I also hate text message speak, but that is just IMHO, YMMV IIRC.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Granny Gremlin on October 15, 2013, 07:52:21 AM
My spelling sucks, but I know when to use which version of whatever homonym it is.  I have an excuse  (ESL... though my spelling in every language blows pretty hard - that's what happens when you're taught 3 at a time growing up ).

My biggest peeve is how it looks/feels etc.  It's especially annoying because people who will correct others will miss that one or let it go.  Don't even get me started on Let Forever Be; that song should have been sent back for vocal retake because it ruined grammar for at least 2 generations through bloody-minded repetition.  A&R fail.

As for text speak, I don't mind that at all; it has it's place and can be used as a (for lack of a better term) poetic device.  That said when you can't break out of it, use it all the time, and let it affect your ability to use proper language, then it's time to cut it out.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: lowend1 on October 15, 2013, 08:06:14 AM
The problem with text speak is that a whole generation is being raised knowing little else with regard to written communication. Cursive writing is also becoming a lost art.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Granny Gremlin on October 15, 2013, 08:29:03 AM
Cursive can eat a dick in my mind - half the time you can't read someone else's chicken scratch anyway.  That was going out of style long before the internet (I don't know anyone in my, pre-internet, generation who writes in cursive unless they're making a fancy invitation or some shit... or hipsters).

As for ruining language - that ignores all the essays they have to write in school, all the books they have to read.  Sorry but this is another older generation playing chicken little. Sure there may be a few cases where they just don't have a clue or are dropouts; but before the internet we also had illiterates so no worse really.  It's not the existence of internet/txt speak that is the problem, it's the attitude of individual kids about actual proper language being an uncool waste of time. 
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: nofi on October 15, 2013, 09:35:57 AM
i hope cursive never go away. it speaks of a time when folks took pride in their letter writing and grammar skills, as it was the main means of communication. to me, a well written letter in cursive is a thing of beauty and still a useful tool today for certain situations. :sad:

texting on the other hand can bite me. >:(
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Highlander on October 15, 2013, 12:53:36 PM
Now if you had added one comma to that heading... there, killing our language... a bit like the dodgy panda description... eats, shoots, and leaves...

Mind you, whenever you hear the comment, "no such word", my prompt response is, "there is now...!" ;D

Funny enough, this topic made minor headlines today, as some school has banned a significant number of slang words ... plain daft, init...
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: uwe on October 15, 2013, 01:24:55 PM
I hate lose use of language, but am beginning to loose interest in this thread.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Highlander on October 15, 2013, 01:33:43 PM
You pal, of all peepull heere, noo the p'tential of the misuse of laangwidge, d'ya ken...?
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: rahock on October 16, 2013, 04:52:07 AM
i hope cursive never go away. it speaks of a time when folks took pride in their letter writing and grammar skills, as it was the main means of communication. to me, a well written letter in cursive is a thing of beauty and still a useful tool today for certain situations. :sad:

texting on the other hand can bite me. >:(

I spend a lot of time at the Henry Ford Museum and viewing historical documents that were hand written in cursive is like viewing fine art to me.
Cursive writing is no longer taught in most schools and I think it's a shame, but that's how it goes.
Rick

Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: uwe on October 16, 2013, 05:49:16 AM
My teachers told me around 4th grade: Uwe, it's perhaps better if you give up cursive and just print.  :mrgreen: I never looked back, I hated that stuff and broke dozens of ink pens because I always pressed too hard.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: drbassman on October 16, 2013, 06:09:40 AM
I loathe the misuse and lack of comma knowledge.  For instance:

Let's eat Mom! vs. Let's eat, Mom!
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Granny Gremlin on October 16, 2013, 07:48:18 AM
But what if mommy is really plump and juicy?
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: westen44 on October 17, 2013, 12:24:33 PM

Seriously, I'm seeing the word "definitely" now spelled more often incorrectly than correctly.  I think that's no exaggeration.  Usually, it "definately," although I've seen many variations.  That includes completely getting the words "definitely" and "defiantly" mixed up. 

I just found this--

Not definately. Not definatly. Not definantly. Not definetly. Not definently. And certainly not defiantly. The correct spelling is definitely.

And this from the Urban Dictionary--

Definately

Idiot-speak for "definitely". One of the most common moronic misspellings found on the internet

Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: drbassman on October 17, 2013, 02:33:44 PM
I'm also fond of the non-word:  irregardless.  I work with PhDs who use it!  Yikes!!!

I did used to like Archie Bunker's word twists.  One of my favorites:  groinacologist.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Dave W on October 17, 2013, 07:52:29 PM
I'm also fond of the non-word:  irregardless.  I work with PhDs who use it!  Yikes!!!

I did used to like Archie Bunker's word twists.  One of my favorites:  groinacologist.


Archie, on the Pope: "I ain't got no respect for no religion where the head guy claims he can't make no mistakes. Like he's, whaddya call, inflammable."
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: rahock on October 18, 2013, 04:41:00 AM

Archie, on the Pope: "I ain't got no respect for no religion where the head guy claims he can't make no mistakes. Like he's, whaddya call, inflammable."

If they ever let a woman be Pope, then we'd have to put up with that whaddya call, mentalpause.
Rick
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: nofi on October 18, 2013, 06:27:16 AM
according to some people the word irregardless is now acceptable...
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Granny Gremlin on October 18, 2013, 09:47:25 AM
But isn't that a double negative (or at least moronically redundant)?  What are we now, French?

Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Dave W on October 18, 2013, 10:33:18 AM
If they ever let a woman be Pope, then we'd have to put up with that whaddya call, mentalpause.
Rick

"I don't want some Catholic priest sprinklin' incest over everybody."
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: bobyoung on October 18, 2013, 12:07:20 PM
One of my pet peeves is: "chomping at the bit" , and text-speak also drives me up a wall.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: Highlander on October 18, 2013, 12:15:50 PM
Am I all alone or just among the first to think we need more oxymorons...?

(subtle little beasties, are they not) ;D
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: rahock on October 18, 2013, 03:10:19 PM
"I don't want some Catholic priest sprinklin' incest over everybody."

The smell of that stuff can give you the heartbreak of gastoriasis.
Rick
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: NOT on October 19, 2013, 12:37:47 AM
'Irregardless' drives me up the wall. And the little to no use of hyphens.
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: drbassman on October 19, 2013, 09:23:14 AM
Words are important, they have meaning and power.  I couldn't resist a blast from the past.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYp9WtbMo2k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYp9WtbMo2k)
Title: Re: There killing our language
Post by: uwe on October 23, 2013, 02:03:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAWi41KiDdw