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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: godofthunder on March 19, 2013, 09:26:38 AM
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I am shocked it's not a Thunderbird! http://www.cheaptrick.com/tom-petersson-in-april-2013-vintage-guitar-magazine
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I like it! :)
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I posted about it a month ago!
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Curious to see that "V8" that this article refers to...
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Looks just like a Hamer (the very first Quad 12vers) with a minor upper horn extension.
Stupidly...it only has one truss rod. Especially considering the builder states that he wanted to make his own version of a Hamer 12...and Hamer learned that you need dual-truss rod necks on a 12 or the neck warps.
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I think I like My thunderbird 8 string basses better...even more..I like the Futura that I built the best!!! That was THEE best 8 string bass I EVER built!!
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I like it except the 4-saddle bridge.
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You know in whose collection this should rightfully be, hmmmph!
And who is this upstart Petersson anyway? Never heard of his band, Sheep Track, or whatever they are called either.
I have to check but the body shape of this bass mirrors a four string protoype I have from the end of the nineties I have which with its Bartolini TCT circuit is very likely a Phil Jones creation too, in this case one of the last ones before he left Gibson. So he must have resurrected the body shape. I know that he was always hung up on the doublecut shape and wanted that to grace the nineties LP basses, but Gibson's marketing department went for the more popular and Gibson-ingrained single cut shape.
Anybody have Herr Petersson's phone number? I hear he always needs money ...
Re truss rod, I believe Gibson is there in the ultra-stable department. I have that eight-string T.M. Stevens ordered singlecut LP Bass and the neck is so stiff all I generally have to do is release it to heighten action not the other way around. It's just an eight-string, true, but the way that neck interacts with the eight-string pull i believe it could easily handle another four octave strings.
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Ronn's thread from a month ago: http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=7743.0
Uwe, you can enlarge the story on Cheap Trick's site. It was built by Phil Jones in 1991, and Phil is quoted.
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I like it except the 4-saddle bridge.
Yeah, what's up with that? Otherwise, cool bass. Love to have it. Been wishing my Hamer was a long scale. It's been collecting dust while my 8 gets all the action. ;D
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Ronn's thread from a month ago: http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=7743.0
Uwe, you can enlarge the story on Cheap Trick's site. It was built by Phil Jones in 1991, and Phil is quoted.
I know, I read that. Must dig out a pic of mine, it seems to be the exact same body shape. Mine came with a certificate that it was late nineties from the Custom Shop, but that doesn't rule out that he made one in the early and one in the late nineties. Mine has mandolin frets which seems to be a nod towards the Lee Sklar Sig which was a late nineties model too.
I don't doubt at all that Phil built this, but his recollection when he built something is sometimes a bit shaky. I have a fretless doublecut early nineties long scale LP bass from him and that looks different as it doesn't have either the lower horn scoop nor the elongated upper horn. But who knows, maybe my "late nineties" prototype is actually an early nineties one, the fact that it has the Bartolini TCT active circuit favored then by Phil certainly might indicate that.
Either way: That 12-string cries to be in my collection, no two ways about it.
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Re truss rod, I believe Gibson is there in the ultra-stable department. I have that eight-string T.M. Stevens ordered singlecut LP Bass and the neck is so stiff all I generally have to do is release it to heighten action not the other way around. It's just an eight-string, true, but the way that neck interacts with the eight-string pull i believe it could easily handle another four octave strings.
Nah! I've seen a couple of Gibson basses that were converted from 4 to 12-string and the necks could not handle the tension and bowed like mad.
I missed that other glaring error that Pekka spotted....4-saddle bridge. Typical builder errors of someone who has no conception of how to properly build a root-octave bass.
But the builder did say he had made a number of various bass configurations, so this was obviously never meant as a finished model. I'd be curious if it actually has a stamped SN# on it or an "Official Gibson Prototype" stamp? Still a cool curiosity to have...like that Les Paul 8-string bass that was auctioned off from his personal stuff, after LP passed.
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You know in whose collection this should rightfully be, hmmmph!
Yes, mine. Then it would be played (after changing the bridge of course).
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(flabbergasted) I play all my basses - a good harem needs to be kept busy.
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(flabbergasted) I play all my basses - a good harem needs to be kept busy.
I thought you didn't like 12-string basses?
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(flabbergasted) I play all my basses - a good harem needs to be kept busy.
I'm feeling a little jilted :-[
;)
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I don't know why; you should know that he's got a roving eye by now, and that he enjoys variety in his life, but he does remains faithful to his inner circle, and I think it fair to say that you are certainly within his inner circle... ;)
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I like the concept, but I don't believe the history of rock would need to be rewritten if no one had ever invented one. And I do believe that Cheap Trick's live bass sound would be better and more focussed if Herr Petersson played an off the rack 400 buck Ibanez four stringer rather than his 12-string monstrosities that do the soundman no favors. Whenever I have seen Cheap Trick, their bass sound has been one big hazy wall of slush.
But my unbuilt Gibson CS doubleneck bass Tower of Babylon tower would have an octaved D and G on the shortscale half.
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... then again, sometimes he goes too far... (must be that eyrie that is his office/Babylonian tower) ;D
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I like the concept, but I don't believe the history of rock would need to be rewritten if no one had ever invented one. And I do believe that Cheap Trick's live bass sound would be better and more focussed if Herr Petersson played an off the rack 400 buck Ibanez four stringer rather than his 12-string monstrosities that do the soundman no favors. Whenever I have seen Cheap Trick, their bass sound has been one big hazy wall of slush.
But my unbuilt Gibson CS doubleneck bass Tower of Babylon tower would have an octaved D and G on the shortscale half.
Sad but...yes..I do agree...
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I like the concept, but I don't believe the history of rock would need to be rewritten if no one had ever invented one. And I do believe that Cheap Trick's live bass sound would be better and more focussed if Herr Petersson played an off the rack 400 buck Ibanez four stringer rather than his 12-string monstrosities that do the soundman no favors. Whenever I have seen Cheap Trick, their bass sound has been one big hazy wall of slush.
So it would be better in my hands. ;)
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I'll let you have four of the octave strings so you can create a 16-string bass. Why stop halfway?
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I'll let you have four of the octave strings so you can create a 16-string bass. Why stop halfway?
Nah, 3 octave string would be too much, even for me.:) You can have it Uwe and I honestly hope that you'll get it someday. I think Tom would appreciate your collection if he saw it or heard about it. Has he?
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And I do believe that Cheap Trick's live bass sound would be better and more focussed if Herr Petersson played an off the rack 400 buck Ibanez four stringer rather than his 12-string monstrosities that do the soundman no favors.
It's been a while since I saw them but I saw CT a lot in the late 90s and early 2000s and Tom played half the show with a vintage reverse bird every time. His tone was such that it didn't sound worlds apart from the 12 strings he played during the other half, except yes, the birds sounded more focused.
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Finally, a (not very good) pic of my similar-bodied prototype made of "primavera"-wood - I always though "primavera" was a certain type pf pizza but there you go.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG-20130320-00493_zps08bd84ab.jpg)
"I'm feeling a little jilted ..."
We've had this discussion before, Mark, with that Dutch good-for-nothing, don't you think that your very own taste in a particular type of men might have a little to do with your repeated fate?
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(flabbergasted) I play all my basses - a good harem needs to be kept busy.
EDIT: I play all my basses EDIT: to the extent they have left Seattle and/or New Ulm interim storage ...
You sticklers!!!
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EDIT: I play all my basses EDIT: to the extent they have left Seattle and/or New Ulm interim storage ...
You sticklers!!!
Wait, what? Am I supposed to take it to New Ulm to prepare it for its trip overseas?
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For security reasons I have taken to decentrally storing parts of the collection in those two US States that out of sheer bad luck did not quite make it to belong to Canada! :P
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"I'm feeling a little jilted ..."
We've had this discussion before, Mark, with that Dutch good-for-nothing, don't you think that your very own taste in a particular type of men might have a little to do with your repeated fate?
I'm bad...........Just can't help it ;)
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For security reasons I have taken to decentrally storing parts of the collection in those two US States that out of sheer bad luck did not quite make it to belong to Canada! :P
Not likely! We have legal Pot and cheaper booze here. Even Pt. Roberts doesn't want to be Canadian ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Roberts,_Washington
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"Legal Pot" would be a great band name!
Thinking about it, the name "Flower Pot Men" for those one-hit-wonders who sang "Let's Go to San Francisco" wasn't probably so innocent either. I sometimes marvel at how naïve I can be.
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Did you ever wonder that eight miles high was about really about Boeings...?
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That always sounded trippy to me, especially the "and when you get down ...".
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What goes up...
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Drug, Sweat and Tears were a drug band? How does that go together with the fact that their Eastern European tour in the early seventies was paid by the CIA?
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Blood Drug, Sweat and Tears were a drug band?
Was that a typo...?
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Nope, a pun, forgive me. But I like them. I'm probably the only person on earth who has all their albums through all eras. And even some of the more recent David Clayton Thomas stuff. That CIA tour did them no favors though at the time. And then there is that nasty comment that before the advent of the Ramones all New York City bands "consisted of Blood, Sweat & Tears type musos".
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Your forgiven...
Life's no pun without them... ;)
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I saw BS&T in concert in the 70's. One of the more memorable concerts I've seen...thought it was first rate.
David Clayton Thomas put more into a performance than anyone I'd ever seen aside from Tom Jones. Pure energy!
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Never thought of it, but the Tom Jones comparison is not a bad one!