The Last Bass Outpost
Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: dadagoboi on November 19, 2012, 05:31:38 AM
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According to this:
http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Bass/Gibson-USA.aspx?ProductGroup=Out_of_Production
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The link takes me to the Gibson page where I still see the Thunderbird. Is there an article there somewhere?
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The link takes me to the Gibson page where I still see the Thunderbird. Is there an article there somewhere?
No, but that IS the "Out of Production" page. If you go to the basses page all the basses are shown. Click the 'out of production' tab and that's what comes up. Somebody had to put the Reverse with other out of production basses.
Strange way to run a website if it's not. Helluva way to support USA production if it is.
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Wow, very weird! Hey, if it does go out of production, most of us here are gonna be in good shape on down the road!!!
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No, but that IS the "Out of Production" page. If you go to the basses page all the basses are shown. Click the 'out of production' tab and that's what comes up. Somebody had to put the Reverse with other out of production basses.
Strange way to run a website if it's not. Helluva way to support USA production if it is.
Oh, okay, I missed that it was the "Out of Production" page. I went to the normal bass page and the T-bird is still listed there, as well as the Grabber 3 and Les Paul Oversize bass, which are listed on the OoP page as well. What the heck?
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All of the out of production basses are on the "normal" page, and the Thunderbirds are also catorgized as "Limited Runs".
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Bad QC on the website...............Yeah, we're talking about Gibson :rolleyes:
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Oh, I'm so disappointed for you guys!!! For a moment I thought this might be the dawning of the age of a chrome-equipped TBird ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQeuLj6avVg
I come in peace!!!
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Does "Out of Production" mean the same as "Discontinued" ? I was told by a dealer that Gibson tends to build Thunderbirds in batches based on sales/orders, and that they sometimes take a break for a while until they get "X" numbers of orders for them.
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I was thinking exactly the Gibson strategy as Uwe mentioned. Pull the TB's for a while. Let the new non reverse TB's take effect, while they concoct some of the new 'super 2013 Chrome' and then ....
Actually what I was really worried about was that they'd alredy discontinued the GB-3 before I could get my hands on one. Their Bass pages are all mixed up.
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Yep, they're discontinuing all basses and bringing back the
Purple Clown Bass Uwe Hornung Signature
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Yep, they're discontinuing all basses and bringing back the Purple Clown Bass!
Ohhhhh I want one!
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Good girl. You can write my biography if you like ...
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Good girl. You can write my biography if you like ...
Well, I do think the Thunderbird could use a rework - It's basically unchanged since '88, the new Epi is likely a driving force here.
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What is the Purple Clown Bass?
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Mmmmmmm................. PCB!
I'm making silly heavy breathing noises ;)
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What is the Purple Clown Bass?
a/k/a the SPCB (the S is for Silly). It was a prototype made by Wayne Charvel during his association with Gibson in the late 80s.
From Uwe's collection, although it looks bluer here.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DCP_2194.jpg)
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Ah...My old purple T bird in the back there...actually it was sunburst before you did it in Purple.....
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Mark inspired me to do it and I have no regrets!
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a/k/a the SPCB (the S is for Silly). It was a prototype made by Wayne Charvel during his association with Gibson in the late 80s.
From Uwe's collection, although it looks bluer here.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DCP_2194.jpg)
Ah, okay, I remember a thread about that bass now. Thanks for the reminder...or, curse me for asking...
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I bought that bass from some crazy guy in New york...he was selling a Veleno as well....Had a friend of mine at work make the entire bridge and saddles (you'll notice it doesn't have the 3 holes for the mutes) I used it for one gig....sold it after my son was born to Scott Silver from Chicago Music Exchange, who in turn sold it to Kevin Borden who sold it to you....
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I bought that bass from some crazy guy in New york...he was selling a Veleno as well....Had a friend of mine at work make the entire bridge and saddles (you'll notice it doesn't have the 3 holes for the mutes) I used it for one gig....sold it after my son was born to Scott Silver from Chicago Music Exchange, who in turn sold it to Kevin Borden who sold it to you....
Your son was born to Scott Silver? Mighty liberal of you.
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I just spoke to a service rep at Gibson who said the Thunderbird IV has not been discontinued.
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Mark inspired me to do it and I have no regrets!
I'm doing what I can, one member at a time to pervert convert you all ;)
It's always good to start with the more influential members first..
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Your son was born to Scott Silver? Mighty liberal of you.
That's f***ing Gay, Gary. Lame.
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That's f***ing Gay, Gary. Lame.
BAZ!!! You obviously have not seen the ads running on TV saying that using the term "That's Gay" is no longer politically correct. Despite the term having been pirated from the "Gay 90s!"
Regarding Gibson.....A former Gibby Custom Shop employee recently said he had lunch with some current guys from there in the know and Henry and execs have been going crazy cutting employee work hours, cancelling GCS pending orders, etc. Sounds like funds are tight and they are not thrilled the same Obummer gang who raided them is re-elected and about to jack taxes even higher.
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I don't appreciate Shitty jokes about my son. NOT funny. Screw the politically correct gayness.
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Gee Baz I don't think Gary had malicious intent with that joke, more likely just teasing you about your phrasing. But to get back on topic, we need to start an outcry for a new and improved Thunderbird. Chrome hardware, old school two part bridge but with better intonation capabilities and I'd love to see a single pickup option as well. If enough of us keep chirping about this maybe Gibson will take heed.
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Gee Baz I don't think Gary had malicious intent with that joke, more likely just teasing you about your phrasing.
That was entirely it. Just noticing the phrasing. I meant no malice whatsoever.
We've joked about a lot worse here. :mrgreen:
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Yep. Making fun of the way you phrased it, not making fun of your son.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k
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...we need to start an outcry for a new and improved Thunderbird. Chrome hardware, old school two part bridge but with better intonation capabilities and I'd love to see a single pickup option as well. If enough of us keep chirping about this maybe Gibson will take heed.
The thing is, if Gibson ever did this, it would sell at two to three times as much as something like a Bach or Cataldo... and would be outperformed by them, too. And Gibson knows that. Unfortunately, the small market that there is for an authentic T-bird won't be truly happy with anything that Gibson puts out, because they can't make something that true to the original that they'd be comfortable selling for a mass market price point. It would have to be sold at a collector's price point and be made in a very limited run. and no one's gonna spring for that when there are other viable options right now.
Much like Les Paul players are never satisfied with any reissue or 'tribute' line of LP's so Gibson sells artist specific signature reissues that are pretty much vintage accurate for five digits. It's that or something like a Rist.
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Syntax a tricky thing is. Not by everyone mastered equally. My bass a gay color has.
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The thing is, if Gibson ever did this, it would sell at two to three times as much as something like a Bach or Cataldo... and would be outperformed by them, too. And Gibson knows that. Unfortunately, the small market that there is for an authentic T-bird won't be truly happy with anything that Gibson puts out, because they can't make something that true to the original that they'd be comfortable selling for a mass market price point. It would have to be sold at a collector's price point and be made in a very limited run. and no one's gonna spring for that when there are other viable options right now.
Much like Les Paul players are never satisfied with any reissue or 'tribute' line of LP's so Gibson sells artist specific signature reissues that are pretty much vintage accurate for five digits. It's that or something like a Rist.
My buddy has a lot of nice guitars and says his re-issue 3 pickup black beauty Les Paul blows them all away. Gibson is 90% of the way there with the 9 ply neck through construction, something you can't get from any other builder. I don't see how adding a new bridge, chrome hardware and offering the option of one less pickup could change the current price point so drastically.
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Unfortunately, the small market that there is for an authentic T-bird won't be truly happy with anything that Gibson puts out
Well, the Tbird's market IS small, either in it's actual shape or not, so why not refresh it? I guess any kind of change people keep asking for is both easy to do (since it doesn't quite require that much of a development) and likely profitable.
I mean.. what the hell... chrome covers and classic white finish for instance? What's so difficult about that?
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Considering all the basses Gibson has done recently I can't see why a redeaux along classic lines isn't possible. I'd be interested.
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how about 60s spec.go on gibson you can do it.
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Not before they do my doubleneck: Fretless long scale and fretted short scale with D and G doubled with octave strings, SG shape. They must set their priorities right.
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Not before they do my doubleneck: Fretless long scale and fretted short scale with D and G doubled with octave strings, SG shape. They must set their priorities right. Continental V.
Fixed that for you. :)
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Denis, you are a sadist.
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Denis, you are a sadist.
;D The funny thing is that I've seen CASES for Continental basses listed on eBay.
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Denis, you are a sadist.
Yes, Uwe, there is a Santa Claus!
'bout the only way you'll ever see one of those! 8) ;D
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I think a soundtrack to this sadism is appropriate... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keqqegsd50E
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The irony is: They had one. I saw it. Touched it. It didn't look bad as modern boutique look basses go. Not more horrible than an Alembic.
I should have torn it out of its locked holder at Frankfurt Messe and made a dash for it. Hey, I'm an attorney, I could have always argued my way out of it. "If the bass don't fit, you acquit."
The Continental (a brainchild of the former Tobias executive) was scrapped because Henry J. thought "it looks just like a Tobias" - duh, so what I cry, Tobias has been a brand with the Gibson family for ages and Gibson has built so many outlandish, brand heritage-defying basses that one more wouldn't have mattered.
That and how they refuse to build the doubleneck for me (on an unlimited price and waiting period budget!) is really adding insult to injury.
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A "custom shop" article is a "boutique" item by any other name...
Surely it may be argued, that you could arrange for the marriage of two, "Legitimate and individual Gibson Custom Shop instruments", built to your specific and unique personal specifications, but acceptable to the Company, that could, by the means of a chosen "out-of-house" luthier's alchemical magic, ideally an ex employee of The Company, so legitamacy and audit trails could, at the very least, be maintained; maybe they could even be persuaded to serialise them consecutively, or uniquely, for example UW3, if that sort of requirement is another necessity, and once completed, they would become one, a unique and personal to you item that would be yours and yours alone, and then, with your legalese, you could persuade the hoi polloi of the merits of such a fine and unique addition to your most eminent collection... quite the talking point, I might add... ;D
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Of course I could have my luthier do it. Better, cheaper and with more love than the Gibson CS, but the point is I WANT A GIBSON C-SS BA-SS TO MY OWN SS-PECS!!! IT I-SS MY NATURE- AND FATE-GIVEN RRRRRRRIGHT!!!!!! LEBENS- UND GIBSSÖNRAUM!!!
(http://media.ifccenter.com/images/films/the-great-dictator_592x299.jpg)
Say, would Nashville be hard to invade? We could always rename it "Nazzstadt" ...
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If you ask nicely we'll give to you ;)
I'd suggest parading women in lederhosen first to provide distraction ;)
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Of course I could have my luthier do it. Better, cheaper and with more love than the Gibson CS, but the point is I WANT A GIBSON C-SS BA-SS TO MY OWN SS-PECS!!! IT I-SS MY NATURE- AND FATE-GIVEN RRRRRRRIGHT!!!!!! LEBENS- UND GIBSSÖNRAUM!!!
(http://media.ifccenter.com/images/films/the-great-dictator_592x299.jpg)
Say, would Nashville be hard to invade? We could always rename it "Nazzstadt" ...
That photo reminds me.....they filmed some of the early silent movies in my town here BEFORE there was ever a "Hollywood," circa 1916. The next street over from me there still stands the old "Vitagraph Movie Studio" building, whihc was the company's Long Island hub to the main Brooklyn studios. Chaplin had a house in the Brighwaters area of town 1/4 mile west of me, along with other stars of those early stars. Pretty cool.
http://www.nitrateville.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13644
http://www.city-data.com/forum/long-island/1173267-bayshore-anyone-know-where-charles-chaplin.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitagraph_Studios
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Say, would Nashville be hard to invade? We could always rename it "Nazzstadt" ...
Careful; they'd fling biscuits and gravy, which can stick to anything.
Besides, they already have "Rednecksraum" in place there.
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But The Great Dictator wasn't a silent movie! Goebbels, btw, considered it "dangerously well-made, you've got to grant that to the Jew".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IvPIWzQcUY
And no redneck jokes bitte ("Rednecksraum" :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:), I always liked this song here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BwgnYDnDgk
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But The Great Dictator wasn't a silent movie! Goebbels, btw, considered it "dangerously well-made, you've got to grant that to the Jew".
I said that photo "reminded" me about the Vitagraph Film Company and that Chaplin had a house here, not that The Great Dictator was shot here. But you will probably find the last line of the below summation about the upcoming film interesting, Uwe.
Most people do not realize that New York was the original location of the U.S. film industry and that Hollywood not the film industry there did not exist until 1910 and still did not pass New York as the film industry center until 1915....mainly because all the Hollywood based companies were trying to hide their illegal use of Thomas Edison's filmaking equipment patents and Edison was based in NYC area. So, Hollywood was largely founded to commit patent infringement. (The climate was also better than NYC to shoot year round and the longer hours of sunlight better for the early film stock that needed more light.)
A guy I know is actually in pre-production on a film series on the history of Vitagraph:
"When Long Island Was Hollywood: The Forgotten Story of the Famous Vitagraph Company of America.
The film will tell the story of two poor uneducated English immigrants, Albert E. Smith and J. Stuart Blackton who stumbled onto the ground floor of the movie business while seeking new technology to incorporate into their second-rate vaudeville act. That technology came in the form of Thomas Edison’s Kinetoscope. Albert E. Smith, also a self-taught machinist, converted the Kinetoscope into a camera and in 1896, the Vitagraph Company was formed.
From its studios in Flatbush, Brooklyn, the Vitagraph Company of America, using the American eagle as its logo, became omnipresent not only in America, but throughout the world. It had the most impressive distribution of any early movie studio in American cinema. With the assistance of a third partner, financial backer and fellow Englishman, William “Pop” Rock, Vitagraph became the cornerstone of the movie industry and a powerful force in the creation and shaping of American cinema.
By the time Vitagraph sold to the fledgling Warner Bros. in 1925, it existed for twenty-nine years, outlasting all it’s early competitors and acquiring Lubin, Selig, and Essanay. By then the movie business was the fourth largest industry in the world, with Vitagraph as the only movie studio owned by Christians in a Jewish dominated industry."
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I didn't know that. That Long Island origin I mean. Always assumed that Hollywood cropped up out of nowhere without giving it much thought.
I of course knew that Hollywood wouldn't be there without Jewish filmmakers (a recurring propaganda theme of the Nazis to villify Hollywood's anti-Nazi stance), but why non-Jews failed to see the economic perspective of the fledgling movie industry escapes me. I guess Jewish theater people, concert impressarios and so forth were just by way of their occupation closer to this new thing called cinematography and jumped on it.
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