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Gear Discussion Forums => Bill's Shop: Projects, Mods & Repairs => Topic started by: dadagoboi on October 13, 2010, 02:41:35 PM
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I've been wanting to do a replica of the ORIGINAL JAE Fenderbird for a while. This is one of the few pictures I've come up with, it's from 'Bass Culture'. By the time the book was published he no longer owned any of them
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02502.jpg)
There's this one
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/tbirdrings.jpg)
and this one from a Who gear site
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/fenderbird_rsg-2.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/FENDERBIRD_RSG_3.jpg)
Here's my recent '2010 Fenderbird
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/2010%20Fenderbird/DSC01987.jpg)
So I got the flock together to mull the options...
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02442.jpg)
If I'm going to do one I might as well set up to do a run of 10. I have this inverted pin router which allows easy repeatability with carefully made templates
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02486.jpg)
I made a tracing of Denis '76 body and bandsawed and smoothed a template from it...with that I made another one.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02439.jpg)
Used a L.H. Fender Japan p bass neck for neck screw template and a Mighty Mite neck for the pocket template. I was pleasantly surprised by the Mighty Mite quality.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02451.jpg)(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02470-1.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02479.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02495.jpg)
Here's the first effort, basically just a rough idea. What I found is that the JAEbird body is a little different than just a Tbird body with a neck pocket. So it's back to the drawing board.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02498.jpg)
But I did clean up the shop.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02468.jpg)
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Dang Carlo, you go!
The Fenderbird JAE is playing in the first pic is clearly different than the basses in the next two pics if you look closely. Were both basses in the second and third pics his?
Your last pic is cool because you can really see the differences between so many versions of Thunderbirds. Look at all those headstock variations!
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The second picture is different from the next 2 (front and back). That one is from here:
http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/gear/bass/bass7174.html
It supposedly is an original. The bottom horn is shorter. The back view actually shows more clearly the short horn. The top "horn" is also more vertical and more similar to a '64 TBird than a Bicentennial, which makes sense. I found a few more pictures on the Whotabs site.
I modded one of the templates and will give it another try tomorrow.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02508.jpg)
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Very cool. I'd love one of those pin routers. The basses look great!
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Interesting........
The bass in the B/W pic has '60's 2 screw pups and the orange ones have '70s 3 screw pups.......
Cool project, wish I were not so broke right now - this is the one 'bird I still GAS for.
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Interesting........
The bass in the B/W pic has '60's 2 screw pups and the orange ones have '70s 3 screw pups.......
Cool project, wish I were not so broke right now - this is the one 'bird I still GAS for.
Yeah, the b/w obviously is the real thing, the first orange is contemporary, it's from the frets on the net site. The second orange I think is also real because it has the proper bridge and period correct case and is on the Whotabs website. The RI pups on it are a question mark but the body shape seems to match the B/W.
From "Rock Stars Guitars":
"This red example was damaged by Keith Moon on stage, during a smashing session during the Quadrophenia tour. The body was cracked and the bass returned to Peter Cook for repair. "
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/fbird-paxmancas_rsg.jpg)
I'm open to trades, Mark ;D
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Very cool. I'd love of those pin routers. The basses look great!
I'm just learning to use the router, having some trouble getting bridge/tailpiece screw holes spot on. But routing a body and cavities is really easy and safe with the cutter being under the table. After I turn some more pine into firewood I'll move on to poplar and mahogany. That will probably be slower going.
Thanks, those 'birds are a major part of the R&D budget! ;)
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Yeah that pin router is the nutz! looking good !
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Excellent thread! Very educational for a newb like me!
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Who makes pin routers nowadays? Starting to plot how to get one.... ;)
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Who makes pin routers nowadays? Starting to plot how to get one.... ;)
Never mind, dumb question. Got lots more if you want to hear them!
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Hey bro, I've been so busy I haven't had the chance to send you a tracing of my 65' reverse. But if you are Really trying to make an exact repro Fenderbird, I would contact Curt Traynor, I think his handle is DC10Bass. he has the absolute perfect Identical fenderbird, i believe made from an original template or tracing.
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Who makes pin routers nowadays? Starting to plot how to get one.... ;)
I got mine off Ebay, new they are about 4k, I paid less than 1/4 of that with a vacuum hold down system. Mine's the previous 110 volt model. When the router motor dies I'll replace it with a 220V.
Here's a video. It's a light production machine, check out what they are cutting! I bandsaw to line, use 3 cut depths. I'm trying to keep my cutter sharp.
http://www.cronsrud.com/video/video_inverted_web.html
I though about buying one from Grizzly or Foxcraft but they are around $500 without the router and are close to being toys IMO.
Hey bro, I've been so busy I haven't had the chance to send you a tracing of my 65' reverse. But if you are Really trying to make an exact repro Fenderbird, I would contact Curt Traynor, I think his handle is DC10Bass. he has the absolute perfect Identical fenderbird, i believe made from an original template or tracing.
Thanks, Baz. No problem! I think DC-10's might be slightly different from JAE's first version.
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The second pic is of a replica that I believe somebody on this forum owns. Note the Warwick bridge/tailpiece. I LOVE that bass!
I also love the pin router. That used to be my favorite tool when I still worked out back here at the flight case shop. We got a 12' x 5' CNC router about 3 years ago, but the pin router still sees plenty of action. Mostly for custom foam cutouts.
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Grizzly's benchtop overarm pin router is lightweight but they do make a heavier duty floor model. It's over 2K though, if you really want one you're probably better off looking for a used one. CNC has made used pin routers less valuable.
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Grizzly's benchtop overarm pin router is lightweight but they do make a heavier duty floor model. It's over 2K though, if you really want one you're probably better off looking for a used one. CNC has made used pin routers less valuable.
Obsolete equipment is always a best buy. For around $1k you can get a heavy duty Delta overarm. Of course you need 3 phase power or a convertor ;DThe second pic is of a replica that I believe somebody on this forum owns. Note the Warwick bridge/tailpiece. I LOVE that bass!
I also love the pin router. That used to be my favorite tool when I still worked out back here at the flight case shop. We got a 12' x 5' CNC router about 3 years ago, but the pin router still sees plenty of action. Mostly for custom foam cutouts.
DC-10's bass maybe? I'm going with the whotabs Jaebird since it has the most complete set of pix and there's actually one of JAE with that one and its case. They're very close except for the bridge and slightly smaller bottom horn on the JAE.
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From what I know, all the PC's used original Gibson body hardware... mine varied as she had PC pups but original bridge and tail...
:popcorn:
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After seeing this picture I decided this is the one to do. I'm trying to keep everything in proper proportion, if you see anything that doesn't look right please point it out. The total length of the bass is 46 1/2 inches (1.18 m). Neck dive should be minimal. I'm figuring weight at around 8.5 lbs
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/jae-bstage-fbird.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/fbird-paxmancas_rsg.jpg)
Second body with hornectomy, control cavity and dummy cover, compared to original. Upper horn shape needs some work
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02539.jpg)
Pup cavities and P/G layout. Dummy bridge
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02541-1.jpg)
Mockup of P/G, pups and knobs, the bridge pup ring is an actual Gibby. It's easier to drill the mounting holes for the bridge/tailpiece before separating them. This is the one off Fenderbird 2010.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02551-1.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02560.jpg)
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She's real purty ;D
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Coming along nicely...
crikey, you work quick... :o
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You asked for input? ;D
The original's pickguard was more organic in nature on the up and lower bouts - above and below the neck. Lower bout should be less bulbous and the upper should be a bit more - to my eye. The origian has a very graceful curve thing going on as moves around the heel of the neck.
Also, the top edge of the guard is too close to the top of the body by about a 1/2"
Other than that it looks great!
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Coming along nicely...
crikey, you work quick... :o
Yeah, this one won't take 26 years. I also promised I'd have some ready to ship around Thanksgiving.
You asked for input? ;D
The original's pickguard was more organic in nature on the up and lower bouts - above and below the neck. Lower bout should be less bulbous and the upper should be a bit more - to my eye. The origian has a very graceful curve thing going on as moves around the heel of the neck.
Also, the top edge of the guard is too close to the top of the body by about a 1/2"
Other than that it looks great!
Thanks Buzz,
All noted...I may have to bring in a Czech consultant. ;)
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Thanksgiving's less than six weeks now... Czech consultants...? there goes the project... ;D
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Yeah, this one won't take 26 years. I also promised I'd have some ready to ship around Thanksgiving.
Thanks Buzz,
All noted...I may have to bring in a Czech consultant. ;)
Hey, I can be "Czech" if I get a consult fee :P
Speaking of Czech - one of my fave all time billboards if is for Shiner Beer and was posted on I-10 around Kerville -
"Shiner Beer, Our beer runs through thousands of quality Czech's everyday!" ;D
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Thanksgiving's less than six weeks now... Czech consultants...? there goes the project... ;D
Did I say Czech? I meant Czinch.
Hey, I can be "Czech" if I get a consult fee :P
Your czech is in the mail.
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Very Nice ! My stalled JAE Fenderbird :sad: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/JAEneck002.jpg)
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Looking good, Scott! Maybe this build will inspire you to complete it. This is my only project right now, I have a very simple life so I can put in 4 hours almost every day.
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4 hours a day ! oh I wish ! With family, work and the band I get distracted easily.
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Geeeeeeeez. 4 hours? You're a lucky guy!
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The last job I had was working as the sound man at the Whisky a Go Go in 1977. Since then I've been self employed. First as a handyman, then a cabinet maker and finally a furniture designer. I quit designing furniture when I walked into Target, Walmart and Sam's and saw things I designed that had been knocked off by them after receiving samples from the factory I worked with. Why work for free? I'm divorced, my kids are grown and I receive a laughably small SS check every month that completely covers my nut. Everything I have is paid for, including my doublewide.
Designing and building basses gets me out of bed every morning. I don't know how far I want to take it but right now it's a lot of fun. The plan is to build some JAEbirds and see what the response is. It's taken some time to get into the rhythm of physically building something again, for a while I thought my patience was completely shot but it's coming back.
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Well then, good for you!
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I hope that will be me in 2 -3 years!
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I suspect I'll be in my late 60's before retirement....depends on whether the university does any creative retirement options. Some days I look forward to heading to work, some days I'd much rather not.
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i retired when i was 57 after getting laid off. i just said screw it, i've had enough. our house and both cars are paid off. unfortunately i have no building skills whatsoever to take up my time.
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unfortunately i have no building skills whatsoever to take up my time.
If you'd "retired" at 30 you would have developed some. ;D.
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If you'd "retired" at 30 you would have developed some. ;D.
There's always hope, even for late bloomers! :P
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There's always hope, even for late bloomers! :P
I agree!
Been working on proportioning the body and pickguard and it's getting closer.
I took the paper p/g mock up which I had intentionally cut big, taped it to a cereal box and cut out a template.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02573.jpg)
Transferred that to a piece of 6mm hardboard, cut and smoothed it and attached to a piece of plywood backer board. That black square is an $0.88 self stick floor tile from Lowes. It cuts really easily and is a moneysaver vs using plastic. Got the idea from somebody at that other forum.(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02583.jpg)
Here's the P/G and cavity cover prototypes (real ones will be 3 ply plastic) after cutting on the pin router. I think I may be able to bevel the edges using the pin router. Man, am I digging it!(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02576.jpg)
Cavity cover in place. For the belly cut I used a Japanese pull saw, chisel and drawknife for the rough out and a belt sander to finish it. I've considered getting a small shaper for this operation but this was pretty quick and rewarding. Again, hardwood may be a different story.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02585.jpg)
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pickup placement?? anyone have exact spots??
Carlo I am thinking that moving the neck pickup a little closer 1/2- 1 inch may be the perfect spot. can you tell me what it is in relation to the Bach as the lull in that spot on my th-1 is truely sweet to me....
Mark where is the spot of the lull you have????
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It's in the exact spot as on my BaCHs and Orville and Gibson NR according to the info I've seen, 10 11/16" from the 12th fret to the mounting screws . But I'm always looking for more info and it can be easily relocated to wherever you want it.
I could 'swimming pool' the body route and send you the guard without the pup route in it and you can position it as you want then route the guard...the pup ring would cover up any mistakes with that.
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I'm a Philip K Dick aficionado...
I really don't like the idea of being "retired..."
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How about retarred? That's how they pronounce it in the south, sort of rhymes with retard...which fits a lot of the time.
By the way, do you have any problems intonating your PC? The reason I'm asking is that the bridges on the BaCH and Lull 'Birds seem to be larger than they need to be if the bridge posts were positioned correctly.
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Mine's in the "right" place, intonates perfectly - the layout and dimensions mirror the JAE design, but with a through neck - from what we worked out with advice from the chaps the neck mimics a D profile "P" in shape and thickness... the bridge and tail are Gibson parts, came already gold plated when I got her... I'll measure and confirm with you tomorrow... she's asleep in her case at the moment... ;)
Anything else dimensionally needed, just holler...
(Not sure I like the idea of being retarred and feathered either... :o)
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Thanks! No need for the dimensions Kenny. I was just wondering if there was a reason to make the bridge bigger in order to get it to intonate. Obviously not. I was looking at some 19mm (3/4) inch square tube yesterday that could easily be machined into an original Tbird spec bridge. The gold plating on your parts fits exactly JAE's tastes. They were probably all done at the same time. There's a magnificent picture of an ExplorerBird in Bass Culture with all gold hardware and pup covers.
Being a designer of cheap but cleanly designed furniture it's a pet peeve of mine when people with a relatively unlimited budget and a blank piece of paper mangle a great looking design like the Thunderbird bridge/tailpiece combo.
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(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/Peter%20Cook%20Custom/20090425MUD1.jpg)
Just posted this on the TP thread - E and A are reversed it may be worth knowing... intonation has always been right and what you see above is the same as when I got her and now... - obviously had a slight alteration or two in other departments, mind you...
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They don't make 'em like they used to! All you need and nothing more. I'm using a similar trick with my modded bridge. E saddle and carrier are flipped around. A is OK.
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Should be - you can see that the carriage could be the other way round, but that's the way she came...
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I think I've settled on the final body shape. Sanded and sealed with 8 ounces of Mohawk heavy bodied nitro sanding sealer last evening. This AM scuff sanded with 320/400 no fil sandpaper and a block. Filled some missed spots with thinned lacquer based wood filler (I love the smell of Famowood in the morning)(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02586.jpg)
Ditto the back
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02587.jpg)
2 heavy wet coats of Mohawk nitro lacquer, about 8 ounces, sprayed at around 20-25 PSI at the gun with a fairly tight fan pattern, 15 minutes between coats. I'll sand it back with 400/600 this evening and shoot 2 more coats.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02595.jpg)
Mighty Mite neck, which came with a sealer coat, sprayed with Mohawk nitro gloss clear, around 3 ounces. I used a detail gun. Did not go with a "Vintage Tint" because it's not period appropriate. I'm considering doing polyurethane over the decal which will give a slightly yellow initial tint yellowing more as it ages. BTW, Mighty Mite P bass necks are out of stock from every vendor I've talked to. I will be using Allparts instead. They are at the least of equivalent quality, have traditional heel trussrod adjustment and a more period correct 10" fretboard radius.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02598.jpg)
This is my spray setup. Paint cost is around $20 a gallon, 3 guns total cost $70 (only one gun really necessary) and a home made shooting stand. Twin Turbo not included.
I can only paraphrase Baz, "If you don't own a spraygun, you don't understand."
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02602.jpg)
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Interesting spray setup. Are the rods fixed or do you rotate them?
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Interesting spray setup. Are the rods fixed or do you rotate them?
The EMT is a tight fit in the holes in the maple and has enough friction to allow rotation but hold position.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Chrome%20Soapbar/CHROMED/P1020054-1.jpg)
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I use a coat hanger cut to suit, a butchers meat hook (yes, you heard correctly) and the shed roof as a swivel point, and rattle-cans...
(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/US/1979Concorderespraya.jpg) (http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/US/1979Concorderesprayb.jpg)
This is a slightly bigger spray shop I used to have access to... unique pictures - none otherwise known to exist...
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My buddy Hannibal says those meat hooks are quite versatile for a number of applications, not all involving rattlecans.
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... with a nicely chilled (chilling?) little chianti...? :o
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I prefer Nero d'Avola...it's a Sicilian thing ;)
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That looks like a good low tech solution.
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Low tech wine...? :P
Ai... donta mess wid the-a Sicillians, or da JAEboid will be sleepin' wid da fishes... :o ;D
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Today I did the final templates for pickguard bevel, templates for pup rings and control cavity. Oh yeah, and I burned the toast this morning ;)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02603-1.jpg)
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You know, black plastic TB+ pups would be perfect match for that color scheme! Now, where are my running shoes? :P
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You know, black plastic TB+ pups would be perfect match for that color scheme! Now, where are my running shoes? :P
If you got 'em, smoke 'em. We install All
Finished up some pup rings, one caught an edge on the buffing wheel and took off for parts unknown. But it sure looked pretty in the split second I saw it flying away. ;D
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Found another early Fenderbird - watched the original broadcast when it went out and taped it with an open mic - best I had at the time - I've had this on video (now DVD) for decades - completely forget until I dug this out for the Skynyrd thread... considering they toured with the Who, is this a PC given to Leon Wilkeson by JAE...?
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa3uxs_lynyrd-skynyrd-call-me-the-breeze-l_music
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Definitely looks like it. If so Baz has the bridge from it.
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man I cant find those decals anymore!Where u gettem?
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I have a set of SD jazz pups I had converted covers on(soap bars) to go on a Guild SB302 Im restoring. The orig pups are as rare as hens teeth, until recently I scored some orig pups . Now I have to make covers for them . I had planned a JAEbird project but I have these Jazz pups so I may do a jazz build 1st.
When I get to that point are the decals available?
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Prototype is finished, jigs and templates made. Weight is 7.8 lbs.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02622.jpg)
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looking nice Carlo!!!
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Nice. And damn quick!
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Looks really nice, indeed.
Interesting that the pink one you built before didnt look that cool to me, this one I like. Maybe its the headstock I didnt like on the other one.
And the bridge/pickups combination looks better on this one too, although that shouldnt be the case, since they are the same on both, right?
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Thanks to all for the compliments.
Looks really nice, indeed.
Interesting that the pink one you built before didnt look that cool to me, this one I like. Maybe its the headstock I didnt like on the other one.
And the bridge/pickups combination looks better on this one too, although that shouldnt be the case, since they are the same on both, right?
JAEbird is closer to the original Peter Cook/ JAE design. Fbird 2010 got to the point where I knew some design decisions made a while ago weren't right but I just had to finish it.
The bridge and pickup toppers/rings are slightly different, again closer to the originals. These are SD SS4 pups, on the Fbird 2010 I used toppers and rings sized for TB+ pups and larger mounting screws.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02646-1.jpg)
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Cool!
Still love that homemade bridge configuration. Very clever.
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That came out great! The guard is now spot on ;D
Any plans for a differnet bridge?
So what are you sellig these for again?
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Cool!
Still love that homemade bridge configuration. Very clever.
Thanks! The bridge/tailpiece is being modded by a local machine shop, I may sell them if there's any interest.
That came out great! The guard is now spot on ;D
Any plans for a differnet bridge?
So what are you sellig these for again?
Thanks, the initial guard was cut a little big, needed some slight reshaping, thanks for pointing it out. Ditto the body, I found some more pictures and they were a big help.
A customer can specify or provide bridge, pups and placement (and number), body wood, body mods, custom paint etc. The price will change according to parts and extra work required. Mods will be part of the fun for me.
The JAEbird Standard price is $475 delivered in the US. Overseas shipping will be reasonable with neck detached. Lefty same price but with rosewood board.
Standard equipment Seymour Duncan SS4 pups with toppers and rings, CTS/Switchcraft. Korean open back tuners...Resolites add $90.
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Yes I have the bridge/tailpiece and one pickup
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man I cant find those decals anymore!Where u gettem?
Decals available here:
http://www.guitarcentro.com/product.php?id_product=62
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Beautiful Carlo. Full credit to you. That has that look that makes you want to pick it up and play it.
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Beautiful Carlo. Full credit to you. That has that look that makes you want to pick it up and play it.
Thanks! That can be arranged. ;D
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02654-1.jpg)
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Looks so playable. we want to here it..... :mrgreen:
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Hey Dada.Go boy! haha! I really like that thing, and the price point is making me crazy..
Here are some pics of mine. Obviously needs a "proper" tailpiece. If you get there first, will try one of yours. A lighter p/guard will come soon enough
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/birdie-55/DSC03924.jpg)
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/birdie-55/DSC03923.jpg)(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/birdie-55/DSC03922.jpg)
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/birdie-55/DSC03922.jpg)
BTW can you tell me about that Onsrud? How much, could I get it in the basement, weight, good sources etc. Every time I see a picture of it, my legs get tingly!! Thanks!
Sorry for the shameless hijack of this thread :-[
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Looks so playable. we want to here it..... :mrgreen:
My analog brain is being pushed to the limit in this digital world...not to mention my crappy playing. Much easier to make sawdust and sniff lacquer fumes. ;D
I'll give it a shot in a few days.
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Hey Dada.Go boy! haha! I really like that thing, and the price point is making me crazy..
Here are some pics of mine. Obviously needs a "proper" tailpiece. If you get there first, will try one of yours. A lighter p/guard will come soon enough
BTW can you tell me about that Onsrud? How much, could I get it in the basement, weight, good sources etc. Every time I see a picture of it, my legs get tingly!! Thanks!
The price is based on getting some discounts from vendors. When you take building a neck out of the equation it cuts down the amount of labor significantly.
Cool bass, I dig LH necks. Are those RI pups or just the covers?
I can hook you up with a tailpiece for $25 delivered. With bridge $45. PM me if/when you're interested. Unfinished JAEbird body blanks and whatever parts you want for it will also be available.
My Onsrud weighs about 200 lbs and will fit thru a 25" opening with the table removed. I got mine for $700 BIN on Ebay, drove to NC and picked it up. I suggest googling Onsrud router, see what comes up. I really like the safety factor of the router being completely covered by the template.
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Yes, that neck is sweet, and got it w/ good tuners already installed.The pups are modern black Gibson soapbars w/ Greatdealz covers. The bass sounds and plays great, although heavy. Toying w/ chambering from the back and laminating maybe, if I don't end up needing to sell first.
25 bucks is good.Send me one and pm me your preferred payment etc.
Thanks for the Onsrud info. The ones I have found are BIG&heavy!! Yours seems much more manageable. What model is it? Thanks again
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Kudos on the JAEbird - it really came out great. Thanks for sharing all the cool build pics, that waterslide source, and details about that router! I would love something like that for my projects- you've got me prowling craigslist now too...
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Kudos on the JAEbird - it really came out great. Thanks for sharing all the cool build pics, that waterslide source, and details about that router! I would love something like that for my projects- you've got me prowling craigslist now too...
Thanks. Glad to share. Good luck on CL, I saw some other possibilities on Ebay when I bought mine, some really cheap but with very high freight charges.
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Any market plans, got a web site up? I'm very curious as to how this works out for you. I'm working over all kinds of things for a retirement business - I'm looking at 11 or 12 years - I hope!
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Any market plans, got a web site up? I'm very curious as to how this works out for you. I'm working over all kinds of things for a retirement business - I'm looking at 11 or 12 years - I hope!
I'm going to build at least one extra bass for each one I get an order for and Ebay them to get an idea what the market might be. I don't know much about the costs vs effectiveness of websites but may do that eventually.
I definitely cannot imagine who would be buying basses in 10 years and what they'd be buying. The demographic for what I like is shrinking...I don't think I'd be wanting to build 7 string burled crapwood single cut praise basses. I have a marketing agent who always asks,"Who's your customer?" before a piece of furniture I design goes very far into the development stage. It's a great question to determine what might sell and if you want to do it.
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Looks great! I agree, how does it sound?
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Looks great! I agree, how does it sound?
Thanks! Sounds pretty good to me but I'll post some clips in a few days and you can make your own judgment. I will say it sounds much closer to a BaCH with an original Reverse Pup in than it does to a BaCH with an Artec.
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I'm going to build at least one extra bass for each one I get an order for and Ebay them to get an idea what the market might be. I don't know much about the costs vs effectiveness of websites but may do that eventually.
If you don't want the expense of deploying a full blown shopping cart site, an easy option is add Paypal buttons to your own site for a pseudo-shopping cart type thing. In Paypal, there's a section titled "create buttons" under merchant services that will generate the code, and you just copy/paste it to your site. You can go in and setup all your shipping rules/costs so folks can just click and buy. Google Payments offers something similar too, IIRC.
Once you test the waters and gain more exposure with these basses on Ebay, you could set your pricing consistent on your own site and include a link to it in your auctions. Have to phrase in the auction like: "For additional info on this product, visit the manufacturer's website at ....", otherwise if you overtly point people there for purchasing Ebay sends the goons after you.
The more you can deal direct and just leverage Ebay for the cheap advertising, the better. In other words, throw one bass on Ebay and sell another ten from the direct traffic to your site. Hang onto them final value fees! ;D
I've had good luck with Bluehost for affordable web hosting. They offer a bunch of free scripts to deploy content management systems (CMS) that make building the site a relatively painless chore (sometimes... depends), and those really help with updating the site as you add new products, photos, links, audio clips... The CMS tools provide their own admin interface to your site, so you don't have to be mucking around with code all the time.
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The more you can deal direct and just leverage Ebay for the cheap advertising, the better. In other words, throw one bass on Ebay and sell another ten from the direct traffic to your site. Hang onto them final value fees!
Definitely! I'd been thinking along those lines, there's a guy near here named Tom Clement who does that with Ebay. He has a pretty good website that points you back to Ebay but I'm pretty sure he's taking outside orders. I will check out Bluehost, simple is what I need. Thanks for the guidance!
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That's what I was thinking - a simple, clean web site with nice images and descriptions. I wouldn't think you would build twenty of these at a time and carry a large stock. Still at your price point I think you will have some very decent traffic regardless as to how you sell them.
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some progress pictures
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(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/birdie-55/DSC03924.jpg)
The lefty neck looks awesome on that!
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I like all that chromeness. ;D
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Bad ass!!!
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Jumbodbassman has ordered a JAEbird with the front pup 1 inch closer to the bridge. I bandsawed the pup template so it can easily be realigned and screwed it to the neck pocket template.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02743.jpg)
Here is is with routing done, going to be black with a white guard. I just got a pair of Barts from Jim, looking forward to hearing how they sound.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02747.jpg)
Comparison to standard JAEbird pup location. I'm using Allparts necks, they are more reliable to deal with than Mighty Mite and stock a lot of good stuff, ship quick and cheap. The neck adjustment is at the heel.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02748-1.jpg)
Next is control cavity and gut cut. Any color suggestions for the other 'bird?
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It's a veritable production line... ;)
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Might be fun to play a Fender game with an Olympia white body and tort PG on a Gibby style body....?
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How about a paisley bird, Fender Japan style? They use wallpaper under a thick clearcoat.
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Jumbodbassman has ordered a JAEbird with the front pup 1 inch closer to the bridge. I bandsawed the pup template so it can easily be realigned and screwed it to the neck pocket template.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02743.jpg)
Here is is with routing done, going to be black with a white guard. I just got a pair of Barts from Jim, looking forward to hearing how they sound.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02747.jpg)
Comparison to standard JAEbird pup location. I'm using Allparts necks, they are more reliable to deal with than Mighty Mite and stock a lot of good stuff, ship quick and cheap. The neck adjustment is at the heel.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02748-1.jpg)
Next is control cavity and gut cut. Any color suggestions for the other 'bird?
1 inch closer to the neck. i hope yours is a typo....
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1 inch closer to the neck. i hope yours is a typo....
Right! 1 inch closer to the neck, which it is...:-[ thank god
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looks great. can't wait to give it a spin.
don't forget the tummy contour for my pasta belly !!!! smaller than it used to be but bigger than it should be... :rolleyes:
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looks great. can't wait to give it a spin.
don't forget the tummy contour for my pasta belly !!!! smaller than it used to be but bigger than it should be... :rolleyes:
Will do, paisan!
Control cavity tweaking...attached template to the body template with inset piece for actual cavity. I drilled the control holes 1/2" deep from the front before routing the cavity, it eliminates any visible tear out in the finished cavity. I also hogged out the cavity with a 1" forstner bit and the shopsmith to within 3/8" from the front. With a more powerful pin router this wouldn't be necessary.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02752.jpg)
Control cavity, top thickness is now 1/4" in cavity area.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02754-1.jpg)
Removed the insert and made the cover route. I have a lot of .01inch aluminum flashing so I'm going old school for shielding. It also works great as a ground. Cuts with scissors. That shielding paint is expensive!
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02763.jpg)
Cover template needs a little work
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02764.jpg)
Off to find some paisley wallpaper.
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scan one of these perty little things...
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/desantisjn/fender%20stuff/fenderpaisley.jpg)
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/desantisjn/fender%20stuff/fenderflowers.jpg)
WTF was Leo thinking????
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What do ya mean? They were soooooooooo groovy, don't ya know?
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The paisleys were CBS era. Leo was probably glad to be out of there.
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The paisleys were CBS era. Leo was probably glad to be out of there.
you are right....
CBS messed up everything they touched back then. NY Yankees and Fender at the top of that list
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... That shielding paint is expensive!
... Off to find some paisley wallpaper.
This may sound daft but I used ally foil on the PC back in the 80's, glued in place - was a real pig to remove when I rebuilt...
(hmm... Paisley V...)
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Off to find some paisley wallpaper.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Pink-Paisley-Paper-Recreation-Fender-Paisley-1968-/120641740644?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c16cedf64
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i would love to wallpaper a bathroom in that ...
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Those paisleys are supposed to be very good basses, but I got overdosed on paisley in the 60's. :P
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the reissues play very well and sound pretty good. Much better than the sting bass they put out a few years ago. I have one of those too.
I am thinkng of putting in a split coil pup in one of them , probably the pink one, to take away the 60 hum and maybe get the extra windings at the same time. I think Fralin or nordie does that package.
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Jombodbassman's body. Sanded, sealed, sanded and first lacquer coat.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02844.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02847-1.jpg)
Other body, it will be Fiesta Red, might have wider appeal than paisley. This is a primer coat over sealer.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02836.jpg)
I modified a spray gun to use 1 pint wide mouth Mason jars. Makes cleanup much easier and saves the paint you can never get out of a metal cup except by using a lot of solvent. Drilled a hole in a lid, used a rubber grommet and a metal collar on the siphon tube. Knowing exactly how much paint remains is nice and storing it by just screwing a top on the "cup" is a big plus. It takes about 6 oz. of paint to lay down two heavy coats of color.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02852-1.jpg)
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Nice mod... I'd love to have the spare capital and space for a spray rig but the reality is that my useage just would not warrant it...
A paisley option might be interesting - anyone ever seen a paisley 'Bird...?
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Nice mod... I'd love to have the spare capital and space for a spray rig but the reality is that my useage just would not warrant it...
A paisley option might be interesting - anyone ever seen a paisley 'Bird...?
I did the math and for me it worked out with the high cost per ounce of rattlecans and the limited color availability combined with the tedium once you've used decent equipment. Rattlecans have their place.
My total outlay for spray equipment was around $200. That's a $30 Harbor Freight spray gun. The compressor has other uses, it operates the hydraulics on the pin router and was bought used for $125. To spray guitars you only need about 25 PSI at the gun and a fairly low volume of air, there's not a lot of overspray if the gun is set up properly. I spray out the rollup door of the shop, it's usually in shade and sheltered from any wind.
I've done all sorts of furniture finishes and if someone wanted a paisley bird I'd do one. Preferably with a giant paisley. ;D
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Rattlecans have their place.
My shed... ;D
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Jombodbassman's body. Sanded, sealed, sanded and first lacquer coat.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02844.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02847-1.jpg)
Other body, it will be Fiesta Red, might have wider appeal than paisley. This is a primer coat over sealer.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02836.jpg)
I modified a spray gun to use 1 pint wide mouth Mason jars. Makes cleanup much easier and saves the paint you can never get out of a metal cup except by using a lot of solvent. Drilled a hole in a lid, used a rubber grommet and a metal collar on the siphon tube. Knowing exactly how much paint remains is a big plus and storing it by just screwing a top on the "cup" is a big plus. It takes about 6 oz. of paint to lay down two heavy coats of color.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02852-1.jpg)
me like
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Painting is the final frontier for me. I really don't enjoy painting bodies, but I know I'm gonna have to do it eventually if I'm gonna start building for fun and profit! For me, the problem is space also. I just don't have the room for a booth or usable setup right now.
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Great idea with the mason jar.
What's your routine for clear coats, if any, and leveling/polish?
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I'll be going with NC clear after I scuff/level w/600 wet/dry used wet w/a rubber block. Probably 2 apps of 2 coats each. then 600/800/1000/1500/2000. Light compound and swirl remover.
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any new pics for me/us....
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Tomorrow the 3rd application of black goes on. Will post the result.
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Man I wish I had the skills that some of you guys have.
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Man I wish I had the skills that some of you guys have.
You're pretty skillful with the knuckle, according to Kevin Foley :-)
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Man I wish I had the skills that some of you guys have.
+1! Mighty fine work on these 'Birds.
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You're pretty skillful with the knuckle, according to Kevin Foley :-)
Shhhhh!!!! no one else knows it was me. And in my defence I only knuckle dusted his face because I didnt have a magazine. ;)
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By a magazine, do you mean a "Chelsea Brick" or something for the rifle...? ;D
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Without wanting to hijack the thread: This is what Mark and I are talking about for those
bored interested enough.
http://www.news.com.au/prominent-state-figure-invovled-in-alleged-altercation-near-city-pub-marble-bar/story-e6frea6u-1225962251071?from=public_rss (http://www.news.com.au/prominent-state-figure-invovled-in-alleged-altercation-near-city-pub-marble-bar/story-e6frea6u-1225962251071?from=public_rss)
In Short the two highest ranking politicians in South Aust are also the two least liked. Both have been whacked in the head by members of the public during their tenure in govt.
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I heard there are 1.67 million suspects.
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I heard there are 1.67 million suspects.
Aww crap! C'mon Mark this is a work computer. The boss is frowning at me as I clean the coffee from my monitor and I reckon a new keyboard might need to be requested from IT. :mrgreen:
1.67 million = population of SA for those trying to follow.
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I figured as much. :)
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Wanna get this in quickly before Dave locks the thread due to political content.;)
Here's my spray booth viewed from the filter side. First color coats sanded
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/SprayboothBack1.jpg)
Second application of 2 double wet coats, last Wednesday.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/COAT2.jpg)
Rubber block sanded up to 2000 today after realizing there is enough paint coverage and Clear coat is unnecessary. Notice edges, they are completely unsanded. Generally IMO it's not necessary to sand radiused edges after the final coats. If prep work is done right they will be smooth enough to go directly to compound which helps reduce the possibility of burning thru the finish.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/2000Grit.jpg)
Compounded
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/Compounded.jpg)
I'll polish the body in a few days. P/G, pup rings and neck finish next. Then assembly and final set up.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/Reflection.jpg)
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Very nice...
I'm stalled - no heating in the shed...
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I have an electric space heater in the shop, ditto the house plus an electric blanket. It was 28F this AM @7 but up to 55 in the sun by noon, and dry. About the same for the next 5 days. I'm seriously considering a more civilized solution for my trailer. Either that or live in the shop for the winter. Or move to the real Florida.
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Gettin' close. Final polish and setup tomorrow. Plastic is still on the pickguard. Bartolini pups.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/AutumnBlackBird.jpg)
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GAS..... oops thats mine :mrgreen: :-*
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Very,very nice !
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Looking good!!
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outstanding ... i do not see a spec of orange peel on that. when i did black i got enough orange peel i had to write an apology to Tropicana followed by hours of sanding, polishing and reshooting.
great work Carlo
i am really liking that reworked bridge.
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Gettin' close. Final polish and setup tomorrow. Plastic is still on the pickguard. Bartolini pups.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/AutumnBlackBird.jpg)
how do the barts sound??? compared to the sd"s ? artecs..... and gibbies.
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how do the barts sound??? compared to the sd"s ? artecs..... and gibbies.
This is all subjective as hell but:
IMO the Barts have a little more bass response and output than the SDs which sound a little closer to a Reverse Tbird but are not as loud. The 4 wire Artec doesn't have a very wide frequency response, I have some 2 wire Artecs that I think sound better. The closest sounding pup to an original TBird I've used is the EMG Hz passive both for sound and output. The TBird pups are the loudest. Bang for the Buck an SD set is the best IMO. Around $120 for a pair.
I'm looking forward to what you think of the Barts.
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The closest sounding pup to an original TBird I've used is the EMG Hz passive both for sound and output.
Carlo, I know you provided a disclaimer but with a comment like that I am waiting for you to be struck down with the hammer of Thor by the anti EMG Democratic Front that prevails in our glorius Outpost :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Carlo, I know you provided a disclaimer but with a comment like that I am waiting for you to be struck down with the hammer of Thor by the anti EMG Democratic Front that prevails in our glorius Outpost :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
The EMG dislike is always directed at the original internally active EMGs. I haven't heard anything negative about the EMG Hz Passives, and I'll keep an open mind about them.
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Carlo, I know you provided a disclaimer but with a comment like that I am waiting for you to be struck down with the hammer of Thor by the anti EMG Democratic Front that prevails in our glorius Outpost :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I have always liked emg's but to each his own.....i also love fender basses and boutique stuff.... ;D
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Geeze I am tempted to have you build me one !
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Yep, to each his own. The Hz's are worth a listen. Around $60 used on Fleabay.
Scott, I've got another JAEbird in primer about ready to go, just say the word ;D
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Heh, maybe I need to build a bass around those two black T-bird pups I got a while back!
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Heh, maybe I need to build a bass around those two black T-bird pups I got a while back!
i totally agree
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Heh, maybe I need to build a bass around those two black T-bird pups I got a while back!
i totally agree
Misery loves company...just pick your color and send those pups. ;D
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Stunning work... simply stunning...
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Misery loves company...just pick your color and send those pups. ;D
Were you going to start a new thread with pricing and options etc? Somehow I recall that was the plan when you first hatched the idea of building.
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Were you going to start a new thread with pricing and options etc? Somehow I recall that was the plan when you first hatched the idea of building.
Check cataldobasses.com (click the link below) for the 'Standard' price and specs. Email me with options you'd like. I'm using Jim's pups on this one and the neck pup is moved closer to the neck. I'm giving a credit for the pups and no charge on the relocation. Thanks!
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Oh My!
No extra charge for lefties?
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Oh My!
No extra charge for lefties?
Not for LBO members. We'd have to work out what neck to use. I have LH necks but they are Jazzes with rosewood boards. Looks like a LH maple neck will be a $75 upcharge.
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You have a PM sir! :D
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Done, goes out tomorrow. Thanks to everyone for the support and input!
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/BIRDINCASE.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/CLOSEUP.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/BlackBack.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/Buds.jpg)
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beautiful!
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PM sent
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
sorry it will miss my gig tomorrow. Jugs - n - strokers . i think she would look perfect with black leather encased jugs resting on the top...... Sorry Mark not yours... Then off for holidays and skiing trip........ Will have to wait till Jan 7 before it's public unveiling.....
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PM sent
NO, ITS MINE ;)
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(bonus points for the [clean] reflection shot) ;)
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(bonus points for the [clean] reflection shot) ;)
I was thinking the same - mad scientist captured in his own photo, accidentally-on-purpose.
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I was thinking the same - mad scientist captured in his own photo, accidentally-on-purpose.
Actually I was thinking that Kenny was saying is something like "Thank freaking God you had your clothes on when you took that picture" as some on this board are rumored to take photos in the nude :rolleyes: :P
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Actually I was thinking that Kenny was saying is something like "Thank freaking God you had your clothes on when you took that picture" as some on this board are rumored to take photos in the nude :rolleyes: :P
:mrgreen:
BTW, I'm trying to come up with a way to get one of these beautiful birds. I have some parts but I need to find the neck I'd want. I'm starting a daily eBay search... ;)
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NO, ITS MINE ;)
My PM was abouit placing an order :-)
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That's a beauty, Carlo!
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Actually I was thinking that Kenny was saying is something like "Thank freaking God you had your clothes on when you took that picture" as some on this board are rumored to take photos in the nude :rolleyes: :P
Not with the weather we've been having!
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Very nice! JAE would be proud.
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Very nice! JAE would be proud.
I was going to say the same thing!
Only thing I don't get is the trim ring on the neck pup.
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all of JAE's fenderbirds had them also. I actually like the look better anyway. did it to by bachbird when i put in the lull.
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Very nice! JAE would be proud.
I was going to say the same thing!
Only thing I don't get is the trim ring on the neck pup.
Thanks, that's high praise, guys!
The guard pup ring can be seen pretty clearly on one of JAE's 'Birds in a SUNN, 'Sound of the 70s' ad that unfortunately I no longer have. The nickel of the original rings reflects the black of the guard. If you check pix 1 and 3 at the beginning of this thread you can clearly see the six screws and just make out the ring...I'll be happy to do a ring delete at N/C, each guard is screwed to the body it's going on and then routed to fit the pup route exactly.
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I believe Peter Cook would be honoured...
This one, Carlo...?
(http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/images/sigs/74JAESunn-JAE.jpg) (http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/images/bass/fbird/fenderbird_rsg-2.jpg)
... I have some parts ...
George... lets not expose any more parts please... ;D
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Yep, that's the ad. Makes me long for the days I played Coliseum Bass, Lead and Slave heads with 3 SVT cabs. That's an 880 on the bottom right.
That Fiesta Red 'Bird has RI pups but IIRC by the time of the RIs JAE had moved on to Alembics. It's puzzling...maybe PC could shed some light.
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Paypal love sent to Carlo as deposit for my order. Fiesta red, rosewood board (I know that's not authentic, but this is MY bass), mahogany body.
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Thanks, Mark! I love working with mahogany. I'm thinking about building two, one for you and one with the parts off my '65 Embassy.
BTW, if anyone is interested worldwide shipping is $85 via US Priority Mail for a JAEbird shipped with the neck off.
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Interesting... the red one looks like it HAD a ring, but there's just the screws in these pics. And the black one mine was modeled after apparently never had one.
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/482/fbirdpaxmancasrsg.jpg) (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/fbirdpaxmancasrsg.jpg/)
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Cool pic! The black body yours was modeled after seems more radical at the bridge end. The PG and bottom horn in the Sunn ad look slightly different. The bridge and knob locations relative to the body outline are different on all three. They're all one offs! I chose the Fiesta Red one due to personal preference and this pic in Bass Culture. You can see the matching reflections on both the guard and body rings. Whatever, we love 'em all. Long Live Rock!
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/DSC02502.jpg)
My wacko theories for missing rings:
Some of the donor 'Birds were NRs so they only had one ring.
Adjusting the truss rod involves removing 15 screws since there's no cut for adjustment in the guard. Maybe JAE's tech got tired of that. His action was so low that adjusting the neck was done quite often, strings got changed and setup checked for every show.
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Carlo, I noticed that you list Tourquois as a color choice, what specific shade/type is that and do you hve a pic of it?
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From top:Daphne Blue, Turquoise, Seafoam
If you have an exact shade in mind I can match a supplied sample for a slight upcharge.
http://cataldobasses.com/ (http://cataldobasses.com/)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/STRATOBASTER/DSC02169-1-1.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/STRATOBASTER/DSC02169-1-1-1.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/STRATOBASTER/DSC02169-1-1-2.jpg)
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i think 495. is too cheap. your custom bass should cost at least as much as the fender standard at 549. my 2 cents.
all you potential buyers can now throw something at your screens.
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I always liked the Stratesque bass(shape mostly) but the 3 pup switch etc works for me . Looks like long scale !?
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(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/STRATOBASTER/DSC02169-1-1.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/STRATOBASTER/DSC02169-1-1-1.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/STRATOBASTER/DSC02169-1-1-2.jpg)
What basses are these? Thanks :)
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What basses are these? Thanks :)
Medium scale STRATOBASTER http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=4335.0
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i think 495. is too cheap. your custom bass should cost at least as much as the fender standard at 549. my 2 cents.
all you potential buyers can now throw something at your screens.
I agree 100%! You should charge more, at least for folks outside this wonderful forum! ;)
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i think 495. is too cheap. your custom bass should cost at least as much as the fender standard at 549. my 2 cents.
all you potential buyers can now throw something at your screens.
I agree 100%! You should charge more, at least for folks outside this wonderful forum! ;)
Thanks for the compliments! If I could buy basses like these for $495 I wouldn't be making them myself. As demand increases the price will go up but at this point I'd rather build basses and a reputation than just wait for a sale at a higher price.
I'll always give special consideration to forum members. I'm positive I wouldn't be building if not for the inspiration and encouragement of you guys!
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Medium scale STRATOBASTER http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=4335.0
thnx!
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Thanks for the compliments! If I could buy basses like these for $495 I wouldn't be making them myself. As demand increases the price will go up but at this point I'd rather build basses and a reputation than just wait for a sale at a higher price.
I'll always give special consideration to forum members. I'm positive I wouldn't be building if not for the inspiration and encouragement of you guys!
Sounds like a good strategy. I might have to do the same when I launch my own effort. It'll be interesting to see how it goes for you.
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I must have a Fenderbird ! I just watched Curt Traynors Live The Who again.........................Pino step aside is all I gotta say. PM sent :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjFvgtK78VY
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I must have a Fenderbird ! I just watched Curt Traynors Live The Who again.........................Pino step aside is all I gotta say. PM sent :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjFvgtK78VY
They really do kick ass! Maybe Curt ought to audition for The Who.
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Nope - Curt should stick with what he's doing - the real thing is just a pale imitation by comparison... 8)
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the Bird has landed. Got home pretty late so pics and more details later once i get to crank it up....
Initial feelings
Nice light bass. As all tbirds - a neck diver but manageable. IMHO this bass was made for finger playing, at least were i wear it. I tend to keep my basses high and this one forms a great forearm rest just like JAE which will make you play near the neck....
Neck is a very nice fender copy. straightest neck i have ever owned other than my foderas/smiths. I actually put a 1/4 turn relief in as it was too straight and action too low for me. I am not a big fan of fret noise except when i want it and like to use my fingers/feel to get some dynamics and funky click. 1/4 turn did the trick for me and action is still amazingly low.
Finish - really great job Carlo. Black is not easy in any form. This finish is not that of a 500 instrument....
neck finish- flawless...
Bridge. I actually have used this bridge on another bass and i thought it was a fluke. Tallest saddle at lowest setting is the d string. Playing fenders my whole life it usually is the a string. East fix with my file set. Actually bridge radius may be more than the neck so i wound up filing A and D string a little bit.
After spending only 15 minutes fiddling with it the action and neck is in my top 10 ( maybe top 5) basses and i have over 100 so that is pretty amazing to me after 1 hour.
Tomorrow hopefully i will crank it up. First feeling is i may have made a mistake using the barts. they appear very weak. actually under 4 close to 3 output when both on (3.8 and 5.7 respectively neck, bridge) . easy enough to replace if i decide so. Maybe Carlo's guy will come thru on the 64 pups....
overall this is a very nice bass. REALLY COMFORTABLE TO PLAY. My first fender bird but I now understand what JAE was thinking. Neck is so much better than my 76 and bachbird. Long bass but manageable but clearly different from a fender....
Carlo you really should charge more except for LBO folk :mrgreen: First lets talk about a white one (with gold hardware if possible) before you raise your prices
Carlo things to consider - option for cutout of lower horn. i need to put whole hand around to front of neck to get past the 14 fret. seems worst then the tbirds because the body is more like a fender in depth and bolt on.
Another thought - IMHO a 32" neck might make the fenderbird a perfect instrument. you could probably get 21 or 22 frets and still have the nut sit in about an inch closer. 90% of my basses are 34 (handfull are 35, 1 36") so i am not a medium scale guy but with this body style maybe the way to go....
obviouoly these are my very first and late at night impressions/thoughts so take it easy on me boys...
Jim
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Thanks for the review, Jim!
It appears you are right, just from the components this is not a $500 bass...
I just got off the phone with Seymour Duncan about an hour ago and they will not sell me pups at OEM prices for a bass that retails for less than $800. Minimum order 24 pups.
Because of that I'm introducing the JAEbird CUSTOM at $825. It has a honduras mahogany body, The SD SS4 pups, period correct Gotoh CBS style tuners, a bone nut and Ken Smith Rockmasters or equivalent strings. No upcharge for Ebony (black) finish. For more info please check cataldobasses.com (http://cataldobasses.com)
The inhouse 'Standard' orders will come with the Duncans. Future Standards will be equipped with Artec passive soapbars with aluminum covers and rings, visually they will appear the same. The Standard price remains $495 delivered. I'll be happy to install your pickups in a Standard.
Here's part of their OEM 'agreement'
Other Terms and Conditions
We strongly desire that Seymour Duncan and Basslines pickups be used on instruments with list prices equal to or greater than US$800. Antiquity and Duncan Performer pickups are not available through the OEM program. Currently, we are not accepting new customers for the Duncan Designed program. If you have a question about something that’s not covered on this form, please don’t hesitate to ask. The terms contained in this sheet are subject to change.
I apologize for this. I had based my selling price on the assumption that I would be getting the Duncans at OEM prices. An SS4 set retails for around $120 minimum with shipping, far too expensive for a $500 bass.
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I must have a Fenderbird ! I just watched Curt Traynors Live The Who again.........................Pino step aside is all I gotta say. PM sent :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjFvgtK78VY
I took the plunge ! Very excited I can't wait for my black and maple JAE!
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Thanks Scott,
Just got your deposit, it's already spent on a new drill press. Machine gas is worse than bass gas.
Very much looking forward to the build. I remember seeing one of your posts on TB a long time ago with a photo of all your Tbirds, capturing it and titling it "Many Birds". Glad to add one more to the flock.
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Found this thread via TalkBass.
Firstly awesome work. These are the nicest looking T-Birds I've seen for a long time, and great to see all the work you put in to arrive at the current version.
So I have a question: I would really like to order one of these, but at the moment pretty much everything I do requires a 5-string bass. So what I would like to know is if you would be able to make a 5-string version? I realise that it's going involve sourcing a suitable neck and a new body routing template which of course will be reflected in the cost. Anyway if this is something you are interested in building, I am 100% interested in buying!
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Welcome to LBO, BigRedX, thanks for the compliments! I've had enough interest in the last few days to seriously consider doing a fiver. I've given another TBer a quote. If you'd like to discuss further, email me at:
jaebird@cataldobasses.com
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(Bridge research beckons... ;D)
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(Bridge research beckons... ;D)
I was concerned about that but the bridge I'm modding is available as a Fiver. Allparts makes a nice 3/2 headstock neck with rosewood board. I have one around somewhere.
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Stick to the road kid...
Beware the moon... ;D
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Stick to the road kid...
Beware the moon... ;D
On the soon to be independent moors?
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Ochhh-aye, ya ken aboot the Hameland then laddie... ;D
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Perhaps we can send Mel over to lead the revolt.
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Forgot to mention, all the (unseasonal) warm weather, and the longer than average Easter break has resulted in an inordinate amout of forest fires all over the country...
Alex Salmond for President...! (of Scotland, of course...) ;)
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I was concerned about that but the bridge I'm modding is available as a Fiver. Allparts makes a nice 3/2 headstock neck with rosewood board. I have one around somewhere.
Well that pretty much answers two of the questions I had regarding the feasibility of a 5-string version. I'll be sending an email sometime over the weekend when I've sorted out all my thoughts.
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M-O-O-N, that spells moon. :D
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Carlo,
Can you tell me if the Gotoh Res O Lite GB528's are reversible to make a 2 + 2 configuration?
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I don't think so but I'll take a look tomorrow.
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According to my 2010 Gotoh catalog, they are.
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Thanks, Dave.
The size of the mounting plates might make Resolites difficult to use on a Gibson size 2+2 headstock plus the length of the shaft would look wrong to me. Hipshot Ultralites (nickel plated like the resolites, even though they're described as chrome) might be a better option IMO.
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The size of the mounting plates might make Resolites difficult to use on a Gibson size 2+2 headstock plus the length of the shaft would look wrong to me. Hipshot Ultralites (nickel plated like the resolites, even though they're described as chrome) might be a better option IMO.
Maybe not as bad as one thinks but I do value your opinion (or else I would not have asked, thanks Carlo). The shafts are a bit fat looking for a 2 + 2 on a Gibby head but overall not too bad. These are pics of Rob's LP prototype bass.
(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/cathousemouse/rods%20projects%20and%20sold/headstock.jpg)
(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/cathousemouse/rods%20projects%20and%20sold/headstockback.jpg)
And thanks Dave.
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Well, you learn something every day. Didn't know these existed, only familiar with vintage reverse ones. Those look fine to me., though I prefer the trad nickel originals.
...Who's that 'Les Paul' guy? He must be a really famous bass player, right?
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...Who's that 'Les Paul' guy? He must be a really famous bass player, right?
Right. Lester William Polsfuss (Les Paul's real name), instructor at a local house of music. Currently putting together a group with a guy named Jimi, a bassist named Felix, a chick named Janis and a drummer named Moon (M-O-O-N spells Moon).
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Link to Gotoh catalog download page, if you're interested: http://www.hosco.co.jp/HOSCO_ENGLISH/Pages/Gotoh.html
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Thanks Dave!
#0012 went out Tuesday with vintage reverse Resolites.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1030360.jpg)
Here's the molded case with #001. It's being picked up today by 'The Black Rabbits', hopefully it will show up on their next video.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1030380.jpg)
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Love the yellow tint. Really nice work Carlos, you're really cranking these babies out.
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Thanks Dave!
#0012 went out Tuesday with vintage reverse Resolites.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1030360.jpg)
Here's the molded case with #001. It's being picked up today by 'The Black Rabbits', hopefully it will show up on their next video.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1030380.jpg)
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm white.
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Thanks Dave!
#0012 went out Tuesday with vintage reverse Resolites.
I had a set off them put on my BachBird last week. Very nice tuners.
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Carlo does amazing work! Should hopefully have mine by the end of the month if my ThunderBuckers come in soon. ;D
Carlo, any pics of the finished body yet?
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On schedule, ThunderBuckers have arrived, waiting for rings.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Jim%20D%20JAEbird%20II/P1030392.jpg)
#0014 goes out Monday. Extreme neck position pup, side mount jack, matching headstock.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Jim%20D%20JAEbird%20II/P1030388.jpg)
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That neck pup would sound thunderous deep soloed!
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That neck pup would sound thunderous deep soloed!
It does have quite a bit more bottom than in the 'sweet spot.' Not exactly a mudbucker though.
3 pup anyone?
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Jim%20D%20JAEbird%20II/P1030387.jpg)
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I think the surf green would look really good blacked out!
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Found this thread via TalkBass.
Firstly awesome work. These are the nicest looking T-Birds I've seen for a long time, and great to see all the work you put in to arrive at the current version.
So I have a question: I would really like to order one of these, but at the moment pretty much everything I do requires a 5-string bass. So what I would like to know is if you would be able to make a 5-string version? I realise that it's going involve sourcing a suitable neck and a new body routing template which of course will be reflected in the cost. Anyway if this is something you are interested in building, I am 100% interested in buying!
hi. slightly off topic - just saw the avatar and thought it's BRX!!!
welcome aboard. just knew you would be asking for a fiver!!!
hope you manage you sort it.
cheers. :)
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Luv that color!
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Luv that color!
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Thanks Dave!
#0012 went out Tuesday with vintage reverse Resolites.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1030360.jpg)
that one looks familiar to me.
(http://johnkvintageguitars.homestead.com/JAEbird/JAEbird-01.jpg)
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It wouldn't be smart to start that here John...
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It wouldn't be smart to start that here John...
+ 1,000,000,000
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I'm aware of issues that have been brought up elsewhere but Dave has already made clear he'd like to avoid any escalation of the issue here. I don't see anything out of line in John's post. That is his bass and he didn't do anything other than to acknowledge it with his own picture. It'd be good if we all could leave the rest of it alone now.
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Amen.
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but we need good qualty entertainment with more sex and whisky to commence phase 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jceQnWSkt78
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that's a really cool clip!
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yeah i know and the point is you and Fang are both prolly pretty nice guys. missed communications has cost me some really fine girlfriends in the past (sigh) and that is not cool. good basses are exceedingly difficult, on the same echelon of difficulty, to come by. Dave (his honchoness in here) is pretty astute and Fang is okay as long as he gets his daily allotment of Special Kitty chunky chicken and tuna (retired people living on fixed incomes have to eat sparingly).
so double amen and stay tuned for the next blazing trailer from his sniperness (me) in another thread. ;D
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Dave's, going out Monday, ThunderBuckers, Hipshot detuner and Ultralites. The rings are here, gotta polish them and install pick guard. I'm setting it up tuned to Eb, sounds good!
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Jim%20D%20JAEbird%20II/P1030491.jpg)
It's 99 degrees F, 100 with heat index...in...early...June
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:toast:
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:toast:
I just noticed your sig (little slow sometimes). It's a hoot! BTW, thanks for keeping Hal in line... ;)
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I just noticed your sig (little slow sometimes). It's a hoot! BTW, thanks for keeping Hal in line... ;)
Haha, thanks. I think only you and Kenny have caught it so far, or at least you're the only ones who have commented on it.
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i noticed it last night but was waiting for a note from Uwe
i also noticed the headstock decal from Carlo on his last posted build pic
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I'm still chatting with Carlo on the decal design. I was going to put a 70's Precision logo on there after I got it, but I like what Carlo is doing and have no problems advertising his product at all.
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I'm still chatting with Carlo on the decal design. I was going to put a 70's Precision logo on there after I got it, but I like what Carlo is doing and have no problems advertising his product at all.
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Carlo has accomplished a lot since he and i first talked almost a year ago about his projects at the time. the T-Bird pup reproduction and the reviews he has gotten, esp from GOT, is refreshing to say the least. his finishes are to be respected and his originality and talent is a good thing to observe. first time in my life i am actually liking a seafoam green anything.
i will have to wait till some of my projects are done though.
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Another Balanced bass from an unbalanced bass player #0016
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Jim%20D%20JAEbird%20II/P1030507.jpg)
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Where's the logo, Carlo? ;D
FWIW, I like the red with the even lettering...
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Where's the logo, Carlo? ;D
FWIW, I like the red with the even lettering...
Just finished, awaiting lacquer top coat. Yeah, RED symbolizes good fortune (basically money) in China, not a bad thing. I decided to stylize the lettering after Bassvirtuoso suggested a few things
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Jim%20D%20JAEbird%20II/P1030524.jpg)
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Nice!
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that'll work!!!!
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I knew I could trust Carlo! LOVE the logo, great work and thanks for listening to my suggestions.
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I knew I could trust Carlo! LOVE the logo, great work and thanks for listening to my suggestions.
Glad you like it, your check's in the mail. I guess it's better than this one...
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Jim%20D%20JAEbird%20II/GENUINE_FRAUDE.jpg)
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Nice!
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I doubt it'll balance after you put that heavy headstock logo on there ;D
Another Balanced bass from an unbalanced bass player #0016
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Jim%20D%20JAEbird%20II/P1030507.jpg)
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Dave's ships today, #0016. ThunderBuckers, Detuner, Neckplate mounted strap button, Cataldo decal.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/DAVE%20KEIM/P1030579.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/DAVE%20KEIM/P1030582.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/DAVE%20KEIM/P1030585.jpg)
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Looks very nice Carlo. Whats happening with the tailpiece screws? The bottom one looks a little off center or is that just how the pic is making it look?
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That pickguard REALLY makes the bass!
I'm in love, thanks again Carlo, I cannot wait to play it!
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PS: How'd she sound?
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Looks very nice Carlo. Whats happening with the tailpiece screws? The bottom one looks a little off center or is that just how the pic is making it look?
They are staggered, middle screw toward the neck. Stronger that way.
I am now sending touch up paint from the exact gun cup used on each 'Bird and Meguier's Ultimate Polishing Compound to care for the Nitro finish.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/DAVE%20KEIM/P1030592.jpg)
Here's how I pack 'Birds not ordered with case...all packing materials courtesy Allparts. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/DAVE%20KEIM/P1030594.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/DAVE%20KEIM/P1030596.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/DAVE%20KEIM/P1030598.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/DAVE%20KEIM/P1030599.jpg)
NEW LOGO coming ;D
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/DAVE%20KEIM/P1030609.jpg)
PS: How'd she sound?
JAE referred to his basses as male. I agree, my basses are definitely an extension of ME as evidenced by what the Cataldo logo looks like from a few feet away. Sound through the B-15 is very satisfying, especially tuned down a 1/2 step.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/DAVE%20KEIM/P1030545.jpg)
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Please set the new bird up for 1/2 step down tuning also. The black one will remain in std tuning and the 63 thunderbuckers for it are being shipped today :mrgreen:
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JAE referred to his basses as male. I agree, my basses are definitely an extension of ME as evidenced by what the Cataldo logo looks like from a few feet away. Sound through the B-15 is very satisfying, especially tuned down a 1/2 step.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/DAVE%20KEIM/P1030545.jpg)
Good point. I guess, thanks to my father and his '55 Chevy Bel-Air, that I'm used to calling things "she".
Man, that thing is beautiful Carlo! From afar, I really like the way that logo sits on the headstock too. Being set up half-step down will make it perfect for my upcoming blues power trio.
Thanks again!
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Glad you're liking it, Dave. Hope the "Real Thing" doesn't disappoint
The first perfect one I make, I'm quitting and keeping it. Very little danger of that happening.
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Nice to see another Fiesta come off the production line!
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Nice to see another Fiesta come off the production line!
Three going out this month, 3 more on order. White is #2 in popularity.
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Dave's bass is beautiful!
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Can't wait to see mine! :mrgreen:
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Nice to see another Fiesta come off the production line!
(http://wot.motortrend.com/files/2008/08/10419041.jpeg)
;) ;D 8)
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They building that Eurotrash in Chitown? ;D
Seriously, I get tired of seeing better versions of the same cars in Asia than are available here (rear discs on about everything, The REAL Focus almost a decade before it made it here). Glad Ford has taken the initiative. I bought my daughter a 2001 Focus with 100k on the clock for graduation in '06. Twin cam, big wheels, 5 speed, FUN CAR! It's served her well and been across the country 4 times without incident.
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Can't wait to see mine! :mrgreen:
I'm just hoping Carlo can eventually part with mine and not change his mind :thumbsup:
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Dave's ships today, #0016. ThunderBuckers, Detuner, Neckplate mounted strap button, Cataldo decal.
It's here, even came a day early. Had a bad day at work yesterday and UPS didn't help the situation, so I wasn't able to snap pics or give it a good listen yet, but I am pleased with my purchase so far.
Review to come!
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Lots of pics! Clips would be nice, too.... ;)
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Lots of pics! Clips would be nice, too.... ;)
Pics I can do, I'll do a photo session with my nice DSLR.
Clips I cannot. I am not set up yet to do clips, I have nothing for my computer, sorry!
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Pics I can do, I'll do a photo session with my nice DSLR.
Clips I cannot. I am not set up yet to do clips, I have nothing for my computer, sorry!
Audacity software, FREE and a $30 UCA-202 interface from Behringer will do it.
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Audacity software, FREE and a $30 UCA-202 interface from Behringer will do it.
Why wasn't that shipped with the bass? ;D
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Why wasn't that shipped with the bass? ;D
You didn't check that box under "OPTIONS"
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Audacity software, FREE and a $30 UCA-202 interface from Behringer will do it.
That Behringer doesn't look like it has mic or guitar level inputs.
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That Behringer doesn't look like it has mic or guitar level inputs.
. Correct, I use the line out from my Demeter tube pre but a bass pod or similar will work. The Behringer is just an interface.
I have now told you all I know about recording a signal into a computer...anyone know a good, free hosting site for .wav files?
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anyone know a good, free hosting site for .wav files?
Soundcloud.com (http://Soundcloud.com) has worked well for me.
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Thanks, George, I'll check it out.
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# 0018 goes out today to Seattle. Party Time!
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1030713.jpg)
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Party time....where are the dancing girls??
I know where the white is going. the other coast :thumbsup:
like the 2 knob look on the jbass... Gold is growing on me. but reminds me of the Mary Kaye pbass. Never liked the anodized pickguard with the chrome
that reminds me - i never put the Novak pup into my MK clone. need to do that to get some review on his overwound pbass pup.
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Party time....where are the dancing girls??
I know where the white is going. the other coast :thumbsup:
like the 2 knob look on the jbass... Gold is growing on me. but reminds me of the Mary Kaye pbass. Never liked the anodized pickguard with the chrome
that reminds me - i never put the Novak pup into my MK clone. need to do that to get some review on his overwound pbass pup.
Yeah, that's what I'd like to know.
The stack knob setup works great on my '61 clone, completely independent tone and volume for each pup using a pair of 200 Ohm resistors. Cuts each pup output slightly but no problem with the 'Buckers. I think I'd do the next one with a rear control cavity or relocate the front one. It doesn't make much visual sense without a pick guard attached to it.
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I think I'd do the next one with a rear control cavity or relocate the front one. It doesn't make much visual sense without a pick guard attached to it.
I think it would look cool to orient it vertically like the ones on the old Telebass models - a bit of visual heritage...and quite different for a J.
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I think it would look cool to orient it vertically like the ones on the old Telebass models - a bit of visual heritage...and quite different for a J.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Doing a rear control cavity and 3 in line close to TBird positioning would reference the pup origins.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Doing a rear control cavity and 3 in line close to TBird positioning would reference the pup origins.
:thumbsup:
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Latest run of 5 JAEbirds. Primer coats done yesterday with temp on way to 100, 108 with heat index. No blush and Flash off additives make spraying possible. A/C in shop takes enough humidity out but requires thorough cleaning of A/C filters and condenser fins daily since no spray booth. Color coats and clear shoot today.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1040042.jpg)
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Nice to see the Curlee sneaking into the shot... ;)
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Nice to see the Curlee sneaking into the shot... ;)
It's like a little 4-eyed puppet!
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Finally got to play mine out today in an audition, was impressed with new strings on it. A review will be coming soon...
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Between work, vacations, family issues, house projects I have been very lax in getting some pics comments up on LBO. Sorry Carlo...
first some pics...
a pretty pair of Jaebirds, aren't they
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/desantisjn/Gibson/jaebirds3.jpg)
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/desantisjn/Gibson/jaebird15.jpg)
my LBO GAS results thanks to Carlo and Rob
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/desantisjn/Gibson/jaebirds11.jpg)
I need to get my 76 back from storage unit when the basement project is finished so i can get a flock shot and complete the reviews...
Notice the pickup tarnish and the jaebirds versus the bachbird/lull. Clearly the jaebirds have seen much more action and a few outdoor shows in the humidity. The northeast hads been brutal thisa summer. Now they look like they are properly aged somehow???
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/desantisjn/Gibson/jaebirds13.jpg)
now for you boutique bass haters - LOOK AWAY.
reminded me of an original series Star Trek episode
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/desantisjn/Gibson/jaebirds6.jpg)
Fodera Yin Yang standard - my first bolt on Fodera. Alder body under the maple. very crisp sounding, incredibly clean, incredible action and no fret noise somehow... Just traded in my original 84 Fodera 6 string towards this one.
(http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac102/desantisjn/Gibson/jaebirds4.jpg)
Got to run to a meeting so I will sign on later for comments/reviews of the new bass and my very inprecise aftermarket tbird pups review.
Good to be back at work - did i just say that???
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Here is my take on the pickups.
Firstly let me say this is not a real test as the conditions are suspect to say the least as described below.
Test was done on my NAD ampeg B15T. a very underpowered (no way it is true 100 watts) and not one of ampeg shinning moments. But a ok little rig to keep near my workbench. secondly volume played was not very loud as whole family was around but i moved out of workbench area to avoid other things adding sound...
More importantly the basses are all a little different in various ways.
Jaebird one is poplar body (i believe) maple neck, rotosounds with about 8-10 gigs on them several outside in the humidity, 63 thunderbuckers, neck pup slightly moved toward the neck..
Bachbird - Mahog body ???? or mystery meat with a mahog veneer, mahog and rosewood neck, set neck not bolt on , Labella Hard Rockin string ) IMHO the best ROCK strings made - great piano like tones , also have them on my 76 bicentenial. Strings are probably 8 months or older but have never been played since installed. Mike Lull pickup...
Jaebird Too... - Mahog body with maple neck, D'Addario RW strings, couple of gigs on them including outside.., 66 thunderbuckers.
here is my take on the pups. test was done with all neck pups only at first. Only finger style, no pick
63 thunderbuckers - Readings 7.62 N & 7.88 Bridge, blended 3.96. Best deep bassy tones (could be placement as well as the strings) little weaker on the treble side (strings for sure) and scooped nicely in the middle. fast tarnish - shiney but yellowed - very different from my 76 pups dull tarnishing.. Bridge pup fixed the treble side when turned on. Great sound when playing with fingers up by the neck... As usual i differ from most of you "gibson" guys - So far these are my favorite of the 3.....
Lull - 7.97 reading very solid lows and best treble side (strings help alot...) nice scooped middle, Very clear sounding , more of a modern tone to me. Very similar to the 63 thunderbuckers but a little louder. Also a little clearer which i would say is the strings versus the rotos. still shiney like brand new..
66 Thunderbuckers. 8.33 N and 8.72 bridge, 4.31 blended. Very mid range driven sound (IIRC overwound pups tend to be that way) weakest on the treble side. more bass and mids. IN YOUR FACE.... may have to break out the heavy stuff to get a true tubey thickness sans the "gain" control issue. starting to tarnish
Provisos
Clearly this is a flawed test and so i will change out the D'addarios very soon and rotos too and try again. Fingers only so none of this holds true to you picksters....Test done right after spending some time fooling with my new fodera so i had on my R&B and jazz ears.......Also this was thru a small SS head without any change to the gain and volume between basses so i was not getting the best out of each just a neutral position. I have an outdoor classic rock (how i hate those words...) show this weekend on a pier so humidity may be a real factor. Weather permitting i will do a better taste test with a least a hybrid head (hartke or eden) and real volume and get some tubey grind. thinking about a 2 Ev15 cab plus?????
Jim
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Thanks for the comparison! SRO's in your 2-15 cab? I used to have an old Kustom (tolexed, not roll & pleat) with a pair of the SRO's that really rocked.
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Great shots of your brace of JAEbirds, Jim. Look forward to hearing a same string shootout on the various pups and wood combos especially compared to your Lull equipped BaCH.
#0022 goes to Ken today(Spiritbass). I'm really digging the pearl guard and black screws, both were his idea.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1040325.jpg)
66 ThunderBucker set and Ken Smith nickel Burners. They sound more like vintage Rotosound Swing Bass than current Rotos do IMO. Not to mention the period correct red silk on the headstock end of the string.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1040337.jpg)
Matching control cavity cover and neckplate mounted strap button
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1040346.jpg)
Resolites, bass weighs 9 lbs even and balances perfectly.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1040350.jpg)
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Beautiful! I'll have to try those strings my latest set of RS66LDs don't feel same or sound the same, I have been bumming about that.
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The Burners are nickel, the Rock Masters are stainless. Best price I've found is from Strings and Things, $18, free shipping with $35 order most of the time, I usually wait til their frequent 10% off sale and buy 3 sets at a time.
...keep that JAEbird dry Scott and yourself safe from collapsing stages!
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I am getting SO stoked to lay eyes & fingers on this 'bird!!!
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That pickguard looks amazing on that bass!!
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I am getting SO stoked to lay eyes & fingers on this 'bird!!!
They are definitely magical, nice bird!
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The Burners are nickel, the Rock Masters are stainless. Best price I've found is from Strings and Things, $18, free shipping with $35 order most of the time, I usually wait til their frequent 10% off sale and buy 3 sets at a time.
...keep that JAEbird dry Scott and yourself safe from collapsing stages!
Rock Masters are actually re-branded GHS Super Steels. Not sure about the Burners, but I wouldn't doubt they are Boomers. I used Super Steels for a LONG time, until I accidentally discovered Dean Markley SR2000s. Fantastic string with ridiculously long life.
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Rock Masters are actually re-branded GHS Super Steels. Not sure about the Burners, but I wouldn't doubt they are Boomers. I used Super Steels for a LONG time, until I accidentally discovered Dean Markley SR2000s. Fantastic string with ridiculously long life.
You sure about that? An industry person told me Ken's strings are made to his specs by American Winding, owner of Dean Markley.
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Rock Masters are actually re-branded GHS Super Steels. Not sure about the Burners, but I wouldn't doubt they are Boomers.
I don't know about the Rock Masters, but the Burners aren't Boomers. Burners' feel and composition is very different and much more upper midrange focused where Boomers are a little lower and more nasal sounding.
I used Super Steels for a LONG time, until I accidentally discovered Dean Markley SR2000s. Fantastic string with ridiculously long life.
For steel strings, I LOVE SR2000's, but every player I know always assumes "Dean Markley" only means those godawful Blue Steels, aka the 'Dead in Five Minutes' strings. I bought a few sets of SR2000's from Steve Barr in the final days of the Pit and they sound awesome on my Marcus Miller Jazz.
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I've tried SR2000's, and for my money, GHS contact core super steels are better. But better is completely subjective. I should say that the contact cores have a barely noticeable high end boost over the SR2000's that's pretty much negligible, but I've had problems with two sets of SR2000's in a row where I get a warbling sound if I don't lower my pickups (and I play with my pickups lowered pretty well,) and I've never had that problem with the contact cores. Nowhere near as bad as the shrill sound you get when you try to use DR Longnecks with a bass that doesn't have a through body stringing design, but it was there.
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You sure about that? An industry person told me Ken's strings are made to his specs by American Winding, owner of Dean Markley.
That's what I was told quite a few years ago by my buddy who owns a music store. I believed it based on the gauges. Now that I look at their site, the ones I used to use are now listed as "Custom balanced round wounds - the original Ken Smith bass string", not Rock Masters. Maybe they changed?
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every player I know always assumes "Dean Markley" only means those godawful Blue Steels, aka the 'Dead in Five Minutes' strings.
LOL!
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No matter who makes 'em for Ken Smith, sound and price are right for me. I used GHS Boomers in the early 80s as Roto substitutes so I'm not that difficult to please. But a recent set did sound to me as PBG describes them.
#0023 is off to John Sheeran in Beantown when set up and properly clothed. Just wanted to show off the B&B neck. '66 pup set, Ultralites and Burners.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1040364.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1040377.jpg)
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Daum , that is style'n.
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Nice!
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Looks nice naked! Shiney goodness... 8)
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lCarlo
ove the B&b neck. allparts also???
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Carlo
love the B&b neck. allparts also???
Yep, I'm thinking of using one on a JAEZbird.
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Carlo , I love the logo,Nice !
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Thanks for all the compliments, guys!
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White with a B&B neck? Looks like someone beat me to that idea. If you post a picture of that thing with a white pickguard, I'm gonna crap myself.
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do they make a maple B&B neck also???
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do they make a maple B&B neck also???
Yep, available in either black or pearl blocks
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After doing 25 JAEbird bodies I've almost got it right so I found someone who can make them better. He's in a secure underground location somewhere in the midwest. This is an example of his work, one piece Honduras Mahogany...and when I say 'Honduras' I mean it. This body came from a 30 year old 14 foot long, 22 inch wide, 2 inch thick board. It weighs 5.1 lbs and will make a 9lb perfectly balanced JAEbird.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1040437.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1040440.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1040441.jpg)
I'll also be doing 1 piece flame maple bodies and some exotic woods to customer spec including caps...plus an NR and a Jazz routed for Thunderbuckers. Stain and 'burst finishes too. Oh yeah, and a Fiver...for the youngsters. I've been getting quite a few requests.
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Oh... wow... 8)
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now that makes my tail brush out!!!
cats, the other white meat. my 9 million year old cat Cinamon whom i thought i was losing not too long ago seems to be recovering so she is back on the menu.
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Here it is covered in red and ready to fly. 8.8 lbs
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/P1040878.jpg)
SOUNDCLIP
http://soundcloud.com/dadagoboi/66pup-fingers-wav
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THAT is gorgeous! And knowing what's underneath the paint makes it that much cooler.
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THAT is gorgeous! And knowing what's underneath the paint makes it that much cooler.
Thanks, Tom. I've learned a lot in the last year, not the least being how to shoot bass porn :). Having the bodies CNC'd has made it a lot easier. I grain filled this one using drywall mud. It works great, costs almost nothing, cleans up with water and is impervious to lacquer solvent. I'm ambivalent about having painted such a beautiful piece of wood but feel pretty good about the quality of the paint job.
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That is almost criminal covering up such a beautiful piece of timber, but what an end result... 8)+
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That is almost criminal covering up such a beautiful piece of timber, but what an end result... 8)+
If it's criminal to paint mahogany, then Gibson's execs might be trouble... oh wait! Too late! ;D
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:o ;D
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If it's criminal to paint mahogany, then Gibson's execs might be trouble... oh wait! Too late! ;D
:rimshot:
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I am of the opinion that they started using solid colors on solid body electric guitars so they could use up wood pieces that weren't so beautiful.
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I am of the opinion that they started using solid colors on solid body electric guitars so they could use up wood pieces that weren't so beautiful.
No need to match board grain or color either. I'd be willing to bet the 'LP junior' bass doesn't look like this 2 piece body under the paint
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/1960%20EBO/BED-SHOT-1.jpg)
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No, it probably doesn't. OTOH paint lets you make use of pieces that aren't as pretty.
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Here it is covered in red and ready to fly. 8.8 lbs
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/P1040878.jpg)
And here's Jon Campagna playing the living s**t out of it the day after he got it...he's in his early 20s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9g6QUeoSl0
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Whoohoo!!!! Way to go Jon, nice work! You too Carlo! ;D
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Damn. Simply damn.
That's a level of bass playing that some of us can only marvel at. WELL played, and obviously a beautiful, well set up instrument.
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Sounds great!
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It's inspiring to me, I send 'em out and there's always a question mark until you hear from the customer. That was Jon's first and only take. He set up the bass to suit his playing, I had the action super low and he likes it a lot higher. Gotta give Steve his due on the pickups!
I don't feel so bad about bad about painting it anymore. ;D
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crikey.thats some great tone there and some great playing too.a very nice bass.
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Wow! Great playing and tone. Who wants to buy all my bass gear?
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Many thanks to all for the kind words. I'm truly humbled.
My Cataldo Built FenderBird is now the prize of my bass guitar collection. The wide array of tones that I can get out of this thing is amazing. Truly a finely crafted instrument.
I made another video tonight, and I'm sharing it for all to enjoy.
Any questions about the bass, don't hesitate to ask!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJIvH7QdfGs&feature=channel_video_title
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Nice work, mate. Are you playing with both p.u.'s and tone turned up?
Edit: welcome on board, beware, there's full of weird people here...
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You nailed it ! As did Carlo, I love my JAEbird. Great playing. :toast:
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Outstanding! :thumbsup:
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Looks great, sounds great. Good job.
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Looks great, and the same for the sound. And I really dig the way that guy is playing The Who's tunes. And then I come to think of John E, and what an imaginative player he was!!!
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Wow Jon, outstanding playing! Blue Eyes has always been a fave of mine. It has a kick ass bridge.
As a misbegotten guitar player, I have a hard time doing representative bass clips for my pickups, it is very nice to see them in the hands of someone who can do great things with them.
Thanks for making my pickups and Cataldo's basses sound so great. Tho I suspect that if I handed you a 2X4 with old banjo strings on it, you'd make that sound great too. :mrgreen:
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Mr ThunderBucker, thank YOU for making this dream a reality for me. I built a FenderBird myself a few years ago, and I was never satisfied with the Gibson Ceramic Humbuckers on it. Once I found the JaeBird and that it had Replica 66 T bird P/U's, I was SOLD. These pickups are EXACTLY the sound I was looking for! Can't say enough good things about them really..
All you folks reading this thread, really need to check these basses/pickups out. Worth every penny I paid for them!!!
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Excellence all round... John, Carlo and Steve... (tips the hat and leaves by the side door...)
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I am beyond jealous. Wow. Great playing of a great instrument.
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Here's the new Bridge Tailpiece PROTOTYPE 2...still a little rough but functional.
3/4" x 1/2" aluminum angle and plywood (3/4" and 1/4") channel
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/2012%20%20BRIDGE/P1050003.jpg)
1/4 " channel base/reinforcement fits inside the 1/2" x 3/4" angle which as been cut down slightly on the 1/2" leg width so the channel bears directly against the body. It gets tacked in with superglue and drilled thru for the mounting screws
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/2012%20%20BRIDGE/P1040976.jpg)
Same bridge I've been using with individual height/length adjustment, don't have an uncut one to show.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/2012%20%20BRIDGE/P1050012.jpg)
Saddle carrier gets cut narrower after being sized to fit inside 3/4" I.D. channel. Plenty of adjustment if bridge is located properly.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/2012%20%20BRIDGE/P1050001.jpg)
Carrier with saddles and channel
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/2012%20%20BRIDGE/P1050011.jpg)
In place, screws are too big. I have smaller ones, took the pictures for me to realize they're better.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/2012%20%20BRIDGE/P1050009.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/2012%20%20BRIDGE/P1050006.jpg)
Need to make the next one for ThunderBucker's Epi FenderBird and get his input. Because this bridge fits flush against the body it's easy to get low action with minimum neck angle.
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I didn't realize you were making your own bridges. That's really slick.
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Back in Black. This one is going to Mike Conte, bassist for 'Who's Next'.
http://www.whosnexttribute.com/
They have a show in Sellersville, PA the day after Thanksgiving. Hope to have some video.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1050028.jpg)
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Very slick Carlo ! I hope to get some video of mine soon.
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Back in Black. This one is going to Mike Conte, bassist for 'Who's Next'.
http://www.whosnexttribute.com/
They have a show in Sellersville, PA the day after Thanksgiving. Hope to have some video.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1050028.jpg)
63 or 66 pups??
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'66, no subtlety here! I prefer the '63 but am in a definite minority. ThunderBucker Max is on the way, we'll see how that does. It's a bit darker and louder than the '66.
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Wow. Those new bridges really look great! I can't wait to have my ducks in a row so I can order that JAEbird I've been wanting.
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Back in Black. This one is going to Mike Conte, bassist for 'Who's Next'.
http://www.whosnexttribute.com/
They have a show in Sellersville, PA the day after Thanksgiving. Hope to have some video.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1050028.jpg)
Wow Carlo another shinny happy bass.
I thought you had airbrushed the trees on there until I recognised a reflection.
Beautiful!
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Thanks, guys. Mike got his bass yesterday, so far he's digging it and raving about the sound...sometimes I think I'm only making a platform for Steve's pickups ;D
To me the current bridge/tailpiece were the only visual part of the bass that needed upgrading. Functionally there's really no difference between old and new.
I'm really looking forward to building some new stuff in 2012.
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Wow Carlo another shinny happy bass.
I thought you had airbrushed the trees on there until I recognised a reflection.
Beautiful!
I kid you not, when I showed my fiancée that picture yesterday, she said "Wow, those trees look great. They must've taken forever to paint on there." Of course, I didn't miss the opportunity to make her feel dumb. :P
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Thanks, guys. Mike got his bass yesterday, so far he's digging it and raving about the sound...sometimes I think I'm only making a platform for Steve's pickups ;D
And I thought I was only making pickups to go in your basses. Hmmmm ???
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I kid you not, when I showed my fiancée that picture yesterday, she said "Wow, those trees look great. They must've taken forever to paint on there." Of course, I didn't miss the opportunity to make her feel dumb. :P
Waiting for the clouds to align took the most time.
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'66, no subtlety here! I prefer the '63 but am in a definite minority. ThunderBucker Max is on the way, we'll see how that does. It's a bit darker and louder than the '66.
I prefer the 63's myself but what the 66 does it does very well.
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'66, no subtlety here! I prefer the '63 but am in a definite minority. ThunderBucker Max is on the way, we'll see how that does. It's a bit darker and louder than the '66.
Can't wait - hopefully they will be available in both 4 & 5 string versions. If a 5 is available, I want to drop a pair in my Gibson 5 string studio.
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I thought the same about the 'airbrush' ;D
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Can't wait - hopefully they will be available in both 4 & 5 string versions. If a 5 is available, I want to drop a pair in my Gibson 5 string studio.
Should be possible. I'm testing the production prototype 66 EX in my 2012 NR Fiver. Very healthy B string response.
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Mike Conte in action with 'Who's Next'
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/JAEbirds%20in%20Action/Whos-Next-Sellersville-61-XL.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/JAEbirds%20in%20Action/MikeConte.jpg)
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I finally got around to gigging JAEbird #4 last night wearing the pair of 66 Thunderbuckers I bought a while back. We play most Sunday nights at this venue (in wig and jumpsuit-free mode we're the house band at the only casino in Sydney, playing blues rock). The venue provides backline, which is an SVT-3 Pro (not my favourite amp) into a SVT-610HLF (which I do like), so I'm very familiar with this amp and cab after playing here for a number of weeks already.
Coincidentally, without any "what are you going to wear" conversation at all, one of our guitarists brought his Firebird along, so we certainly did look very cool last night. But, the sound! I'm definitely going to be gigging my JAEbird as often as I can now - pure awesomeness.
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And here's some video. These are such gorgeous looking basses.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150433480971402
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And here's some video. These are such gorgeous looking basses.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150433480971402
Hey, nice vocals Mark! You have the Bourbon and Camel rasp thing down pat.
Funny thing is, I never put much, any, thought into what you would sound like if you sang but for some reason you don't sound how I figured you would ;D
Bass sounds nice too! That Carlo fellow does some right respectful work ;)
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Hey, nice vocals Mark! You have the Bourbon and Camel rasp thing down pat.
LOL, not bad for someone who has never smoked. I play in bands with some great singers, so I don't get the opportunity very often myself these days.
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i've been working on my blues voice, a pack of camel non filters a day for about 40 years or so. i think i'm there.
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Sweet Mark, nice job! Love them blues!
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Old fat guy with awesome bass .....
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202011/jaebird.jpg)
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They are awesome are they not! I am bummed I use mine quite a bit but no good pictures or video have been taken :( That may change, a Who tribute out of Massachusetts has contacted me, I hope I get the gig.
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Great shot, Mark, glad the 'bird is earning its keep. I'd love to hear yours thru your Hiwatts, Scott, good luck on the Who gig.
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Great shot, Mark, glad the 'bird is earning its keep. I'd love to hear yours thru your Hiwatts, Scott, good luck on the Who gig.
x2 on all!
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:thumbsup:
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They are awesome are they not! I am bummed I use mine quite a bit but no good pictures or video have been taken :( That may change, a Who tribute out of Massachusetts has contacted me, I hope I get the gig.
Good luck. Are you planning on moving to MA???
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No I am not planning to move to move to MA. They play NY a lot, as far West as Seneca Niagara Casino. They make good money good enough for me to make the drive to the East coast if need be.
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No I am not planning to move to move to MA. They play NY a lot, as far West as Seneca Niagara Casino. They make good money good enough for me to mske the drive to the East coast if need be.
A Cardinal Red NR would be just right for that gig! ;)
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Where would one find such a bass I wonder?
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Where would one find such a bass I wonder?
You must have at least one NR that needs a refin. A BaCH with a repaint and pickup(s) upgrade would do the job...there MIGHT be more options ;)
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WHO are you kidding... (good luck!) ;D
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Yeah, good luck dude. I would LOVE a Who tribute gig if the $$$ were there.
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good luck.. May even be close enough for me to get out and see you . i don live actually in the middle....
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So Scott, did you get the Who gig????
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Nope never even got a audition :( Kinda ticks me off they contacted me full well knowing where I live, they freaked about the distance.
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yeah that sux
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not sure if this will open as it is in facebook and i am clueless. Anyway 2 childhood buds that moved to tampa FL came up a few weeks ago and we decided to get together and play in a studio for the first time in about 6+ years. singer hadan iphone. Mistakes a plenty :sad: and shitty iphone recording but it was on my side so JAEbird #2 is nice in the mix. 63 thunderbuckers which i prefer contrary to most of you. GK 800 with 2 15's and 2 10's. Its too bad the zep stuff and hendrix didn't record as that actually came out pretty good as those tunes are burned into our brains.
Staten Island/brooklyn buds.... so jersey shore. I find it hard to believe i grew up down there.
and when did i get so damn fat :sad: must have been the holidays
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=2775963113578
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Man you and the JAEbird sound great ! Love the bass heavy mix, pretty much the way I think things should sound !
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Man you and the JAEbird sound great ! Love the bass heavy mix, pretty much the way I think things should sound !
+1 Very nice!
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JAEbird #4 in action last week ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwoQD8aRgUk
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Great to see and hear you in action, guys! Jim, I can trade you a '63 set for the '66 if you'd like.
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i liked that. one of the few times i can hear a bass through my crappy computor speakers.
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Douche bags! :P
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Great to see and hear you in action, guys! Jim, I can trade you a '63 set for the '66 if you'd like.
I do like having one of each. I pick which set of thunderbuckers based on the gig/band and my mood and amp choice that day. Always been that way with me - p or j or PJ choices so now i get to pick my second bass which is usually a HB.
Kind of like a woman and her shoes.... :-\
actually thinking about a fender thunderbucker and a fiver..... waiting to hear the X pups although i doubt i will like the extra grind unless it is mid heavy for some of my tube amps. Thanks to you guys, especially Scott and that RIG, i have been collecting some more tube stuff. ( 2 b15S, b15N, fixed a 1971 blue univox and most recently 2 musicman hd 130s. So recent they are both in transit.. One of feeebay , other GC used being shipped to local store with original RH212 cab. I do remember liking them in the late 70's though i was a ampeg (SVT and V-4B) only guy back then. Always felt they were the next generation of the bassman amps that could cut it. hopefully my memory was right or i just bought 2 guitar amps....Clapton used them back then.
So were are my blue shoes?
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Carlo, I was in the studio last night with my original rock band and my JAEBird, so soon I'll be able to post some great examples of how the Thunderbuckers sound. The bits I listened to last night straight off the desk sounded great!
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Cool!
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Carlo, I was in the studio last night with my original rock band and my JAEBird, so soon I'll be able to post some great examples of how the Thunderbuckers sound. The bits I listened to last night straight off the desk sounded great!
63's or 66
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63's or 66
66
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By non popular demand, JAEbird Fiver with raised center section. I used the pin router mostly with this screwed into the back for a guide.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/JAEbird%20V/P1050704.jpg)
No expense spared on file folder pickguard mock up.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/JAEbird%20V/P1050703.jpg)
"Jade", a color from my furniture days. A mix of 2 parts blue, 1 part yellow Mohawk Ultra Penetrating Stain. Lots of extra holes where the tailpiece/bridge goes, luckily this is the proto.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/JAEbird%20V/P1050710.jpg)
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Nice!
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I envy you guys, who seem to know your way round with a piece of wood. ???
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I envy you guys, who seem to know your way round with a piece of wood. ???
No kidding! Everytime you got GAS for a particular bass you just make yourself one.
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Decided to go with gold knobs to set off the Jade transparent. Pup rings now have spacers.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/JAEbird%20V/P1050971.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/JAEbird%20V/P1050970.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/JAEbird%20V/P1050974.jpg)
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Bellissimo, Carlo. just bad there's to many strings on it..... ;D
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Well, those kids, always have to have more. There's also an austerity model, today it has 4 strings, tomorrow who knows?
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Carlo that is absolutely one of the most beautiful basses you have made.
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Thanks, Bill. I'm having fun these days, taking my time and enjoying each build.
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Wow! :o Beautiful!
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That is a great color. Nice work!!
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mmm lovely glowing finish.hows it sound ?
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Thanks, Guys. The best I can do to describe the sound is: like a vintage Thunderbird if it had a B string. Very aggressive.
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Beautiful! Literally stunning.
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Now there's a fiver I'd buy!
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Nothing less than perfect... 8)
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More trees too! ;D
They keep getting better and better
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that is stunning..... great color. look away...
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JAEBird #4 in action .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STfgsPxfVjI
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Looking and sounding good, Mark!
Going out this week if the creek don't rise.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1050993.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1050992.jpg)
Trees and digits.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1060025.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1060022.jpg)
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Nicely manicured toes, Carlo... :mrgreen:
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Nicely manicured toes, Carlo... :mrgreen:
It's a cameo appearance for shy people.
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Considering some of the
reflex reflect actions we've had round here, it's a breath of fresh country air... ;D
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Got the graphics department going. Stickers available free to current owners, contact me thru the website with your mailing address.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1060096.jpg)
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Eight ounces of Reranch Lake Placid Blue, removed from the rattlecan, sprayed over Mohawk's white primer and under their Piano Lacquer. Photographed with Panasonic Lumix-LX5.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/LPB/P1010048.jpg)
Vintage tint Jazz neck. Mohawk Light Natural Oak toner and Piano Lacquer
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/LPB/P1010076.jpg)
Last of the series II tailpieces.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/LPB/P1010074.jpg)
This one goes to England after it gets a mint green pick guard.
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Daum! Beautiful :o
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I wish it was my piece of England... ;)
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That settles it my next bass is Pelham blue NR II from Cataldo.
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Thanks, Guys! This one almost didn't get to go. The UK has stopped insurance on Priority Mail packages from the USA. Steve had to send a set of ThunderBuckers to England Express Mail to get insurance, cost $85 for less than a pound. Then he found a company, Shipsurance, which does insure Priority Mail. I'd almost resigned myself to keeping it. Oh well, someday. :)
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That's going to look great with the pickguard. Looks great NOW!
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Fully Baked.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/LPB/P1010124.jpg)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/LPB/P1010129.jpg)
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Beautiful finish. If it were mine, I'd leave the pickguard off.
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Beautiful finish. If it were mine, I'd leave the pickguard off.
Thanks, Dave. I'm glad I did pictures before I drilled holes for the pickguard. I like the look too.
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Beautiful finish. If it were mine, I'd leave the pickguard off.
Same here. I think it looks great without the guard.
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if this is the last of the series 2 bridges, what have you got going for the next series? or did i read that statement wrong?
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Series 3 TP is a 1 piece nickel silver channel instead of NS angle over an aluminum channel. Still has brass reinforcing tubes. It means Steve gets to do all the work, except polishing. Pretty sure he'll be offering bridge/tailpiece combos for sale as well as TBird hand rest and bridge covers.
That's the basic deal, I design/consult on stuff I want and convince Steve to engineer and build it. He gets to market it and I get to buy it a little cheaper than anyone else. So far it's worked out well.
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Sounds like a plan Carlo. I look forward to seeing what you have in mind come forward.
I apologize for dropping the ball with Steve on those hand rests and please tell him so but I am ecstatic that you and he picked up on making them. I look forward to getting one or two of them myself. I seemed to get behind over Christmas and just when I thought I could move on them the fall happened.
I am glad to tell you that the leg is healed and I am slowly getting back to 100%. The MRSA and the gangrene floating around in my bloodstream still have me knocked down a little but every day is better. I know you ask about every time we talk on the phone and I thank you.
The blue JAE looks fine but that green 5 string thingy is just tits as far as I am concerned. ;) ;)
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I came up with a cockeyed idea that the bends could be done using a sheet metal brake (Steve's fault, he bought a new one and said he had to find some things to use it for). He's pretty much figured out how to do it. So no problem.
Glad to hear you're on the road to recovery. The new plates look great!
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#0036 with ThunderBucker MAX pups, they are LOUD with more emphasis on the bottom end than '66s.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/LPB/P1010292.jpg)
Bridge pickup ring spacer, soon to be available from ThunderBucker Ranch.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/LPB/P1010284.jpg)
Customer saw the decal Jim put on his JAEbird and asked for similar.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/LPB/P1010283.jpg)
Series III tailpiece...with dust. New bridge carrier channel and adjustable string spacing saddles are the next upgrade. Pup ring spacer visible.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/LPB/P1010297.jpg)
Rain has been beneficial to the vegetation, not to mention the bugs!
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/LPB/P1010287.jpg)
I really like the B&B neck on this one and the sound of the MAX pickups.
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Great work, Carlo - ignore the idiot at Talk Bass who ordered something he didn't even understand.
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Great work, Carlo - ignore the idiot at Talk Bass who ordered something he didn't even understand.
Thanks, I've had a lot of correspondence with the guy over the last 15 months, he's OK. It just got to the point where I knew nothing would satisfy him, even a total refin. He also wanted a set of ThunderBuckers as replacement for the SDs because he got a cut from one of the covers...and he wanted them for free. Most of the response on TB has been civil. As they say, any publicity is good publicity. I'm a lot less thin skinned than the last time. No matter what I'll continue to do what I want to do.
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I can't believe that guy dredged this up again. Your right he will never be satisfied. I surprised he isn't suing you for cutting himself on the topper. :rolleyes:
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Different guy. JK checked in but he was very civil. I shouldn't have brought him into the latest thread.
OTOH, I'll be 66 next month...you can ALL get off my lawn ;D
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Just checked out the first page of that thread. Wow.
I can't remember any nitro finished instrument I've owned coming with instructions to avoid foam on guitar stands. In any case, Carlo is not responsible for nitro acting like nitro.
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Series III tailpiece...with dust. New bridge carrier channel and adjustable string spacing saddles are the next upgrade. Pup ring spacer visible.
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/LPB/P1010297.jpg)
Tailpiece looks very nicely made, is it made from a rolled sheet of brass with "risers" for the screws?
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Tailpiece looks very nicely made, is it made from a rolled sheet of brass with "risers" for the screws?
Thanks, the tailpiece is made from .040 sheet Nickel Silver (about the same thickness as a vintage Fender bent metal bridge plate) by Steve. The compression 'risers' are 1/4" brass tubing. The new bridge channel will be made from the same NS. The one shown is aluminum.
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Looks very nice, "airy" but sturdy at the same time.
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LOL Loved Grand Torino!
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i am liking that new tailpiece. looks great. ;D
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i also read some of that thread. seems like the guy is also miffed that his his fellow tb'ers aren't lining up to wipe away his tears. the guy lives up to his name, at least. :rolleyes:
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i also read some of that thread. seems like the guy is also miffed that his his fellow tb'ers aren't lining up to wipe away his tears. the guy lives up to his name, at least. :rolleyes:
I loved his comment on the second last page that he's been playing and setting up basses for 20 years, but had never encountered a truss rod that adjusts at the body end of the neck - I guess he's done a great job of avoiding Fender basses for 20 years. Seriously?
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I loved his comment on the second last page that he's been playing and setting up basses for 20 years, but had never encountered a truss rod that adjusts at the body end of the neck - I guess he's done a great job of avoiding Fender basses for 20 years. Seriously?
Talkbass is littered with f***ing tools. I get so pissed at all the finger pointing and "correcting" some of these douche's so self righteously employ when in reality they don't know squat. Carlo doesn't need those asshole's endorsment to validify himself, their ignorance and arrogance nulls any credibility they could have had.
I have a Cataldo JAEBird and it kicks ass! I can't wait until the finish starts coming off ; }
T
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I loved his comment on the second last page that he's been playing and setting up basses for 20 years, but had never encountered a truss rod that adjusts at the body end of the neck - I guess he's done a great job of avoiding Fender basses for 20 years. Seriously?
I guess that means he thinks Carlo is responsible for the decisions of Leo Fender, Peter Cook and Allparts. :-\
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By a happy coincidence Tom in Dorset UK (LPB/maple/TBR '66 pups) and Chad in Chicago (Ebony, B&B maple, MAX pups) both received their basses yesterday and they're happy...or they lie very well.
I try to take the TBers with a grain of salt. They're young and dumb. The less they know the better, it leaves the good stuff for those who appreciate it.
The only comment on the thread that really bothered me was from a guy in St. Augustine (about 60 miles from here) who made the comment, "I don't like Cataldo as a last name." It's actually my first name but I'm still considering tracking him down and beating his ass. Preferably with a '51 Precision adjustment at the heel baseball bat.
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There sure are some weird people out there...
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that black bass is really sweet. Neck finishes it off very nicely. Max pups sound interesting also.
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I guess that means he thinks Carlo is responsible for the decisions of Leo Fender, Peter Cook and Allparts. :-\
HAHAHAHA he must! :mrgreen:
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Here's a clip of the 66 Thunderbuckers in my JAEbird - this is a VERY ROUGH incomplete mix of an upcoming song we're working on - the bass sounds great though. JAEbird > Cave Passive Pedals TVTR clean boost > Markbass TTE500 > DI out > Protools. Both pickups on full, tone control on around 1/4 turn. TTE500 EQ flat. No compression or post production at all.
http://soundcloud.com/mdeayton/ht-rough-mix
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Nice!
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Sounds really good, Mark! Look forward to hearing the completed track.
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Sounds really good, Mark! Look forward to hearing the completed track.
Same here!
IS Cave still making his passives?
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IS Cave still making his passives?
Absolutely - they have some very cool models in the range now. They make a tiny little passive overdrive, a 3 channel passive boost/overdrive/tube emulator, and have just released a passive compressor.
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Absolutely - they have some very cool models in the range now. They make a tiny little passive overdrive, a 3 channel passive boost/overdrive/tube emulator, and have just released a passive compressor.
Sweet! Mark could you please post a link to his site? I sent a PM but don't think it went.
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www.cavepassivepedals.com.au
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Thanks Bro!
Bob Francis
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Here's a clip of the 66 Thunderbuckers in my JAEbird - this is a VERY ROUGH incomplete mix of an upcoming song we're working on - the bass sounds great though. JAEbird > Cave Passive Pedals TVTR clean boost > Markbass TTE500 > DI out > Protools. Both pickups on full, tone control on around 1/4 turn. TTE500 EQ flat. No compression or post production at all.
http://soundcloud.com/mdeayton/ht-rough-mix
Here's another track that's close to being finished - just needs individual track levels to be mixed, and mastering .....
http://soundcloud.com/mdeayton/cold-heart-shaker-rough-mix
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Nice sound! Still using Chromes?
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Nice sound! Still using Chromes?
Yes, the same strings that you shipped it with.
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Flatwounds never die!
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Flatwounds never die!
^^ Gospel. My oldest flatwound set are 40 years old and still sound fine.
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Hard to die when they're dead to begin with. 8)
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Hard to die when they're dead to begin with. 8)
You say that like it's a BAD thing. ???
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zombie strings.
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Un Dead... doomed to play forever... ;D
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I'm not going to hijack Carlo's thread except to say (again) that flatwounds aren't exempt from the laws of physics.
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I'm not going to hijack Carlo's thread except to say (again) that flatwounds aren't exempt from the laws of physics.
No problem, Dave! Here's something more on topic.
Chris Massa's REV82 with ThunderBucker MAX pair
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1020179.jpg)
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Wowee! Lucky Chris.
But Carlo, I must say I'm a little disapointed. . . no trees???? :sad:
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I must say I'm a little disapointed. . . no trees???? :sad:
no trees, only a tripod :)
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/0042frontback.jpg)
But here's one:
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/Project%20JAEbird/P1010984.jpg)
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Just be thankful he didn't go commando... :o ;)
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Beautiful. I know how you love gloss black. :vader:
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Beautiful. I know how you love gloss black. :vader:
Thanks! I've relearned everything I used to know about finishing, a lot easier to get the right result now. It helped to do 3 black basses at once.
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What a great thread. Just read the whole thing and I love these basses!
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Chris, I have two of Carlos basses and am scheming for another. I highly recommend him.
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Peter Cook's spiritual successor (and I own a PC)
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What's the price point on these? Or should I make inquiry on the website?
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This is his thread (dadagoboi) so you can pm him here or on his site...
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I prefer to discuss pricing thru the website email, jaebird@cataldobasses.com
Some are shocked at how much they cost these days, some pleasantly surprised. My target for customer builds this year is 10. I'm on track for that, hopefully it will give me the time to do some more experimentation. A short scale 8 string is in the works and a 12er. I have the necks for both and will post the builds when I get to them. Just shipped ExplorerBird #2; next builds are a REV42, JAE42 and G8R41 (for Rex Diablo).
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Chris, I have two of Carlos basses and am scheming for another. I highly recommend him.
3 for me. First black one, modified white one and 5 string NR seafoam green one. all are (were?) on the cataldo website. They just sound awesome. FWIW I normally play foderas but these babies play and sound tremendous. Necks are great.
IMHO best deal out there.......
http://cataldobasses.com/
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Thanks, guys!
3 for me. First black one, modified white one and 5 string NR seafoam green one. all are (were?) on the cataldo website. They just sound awesome. FWIW I normally play foderas but these babies play and sound tremendous. Necks are great.
IMHO best deal out there.......
http://cataldobasses.com/
The NR and MAX are still up. My photography has improved since #002 so it's been retired from the site.
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Carlo, one of these days I'll get a good quality action pic of #004 so you can add me and it to the gallery.
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Carlo, one of these days I'll get a good quality action pic of #004 so you can add me and it to the gallery.
Looking forward to it.
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Carlo, one of these days I'll get a good quality action pic of #004 so you can add me and it to the gallery.
Well, here's another crappy action pic LOL
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Gig%20photos%202013/984119_10151459250050893_407080157_n_zpsbea15f6c.jpg)
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Looks good to me!