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Gear Discussion Forums => Other Bass Brands => Topic started by: Basvarken on September 16, 2009, 05:21:34 AM
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Most of you guys here know about the BaCHbird project that I started three years ago. The Czech company BaCH proved to be able to build a very special bass for a very good price.
The project didn't always go smoothly and my patience was tested more than once.
But in the end all participants were able to buy their Non Reverse Thunderbird. And the reactions have all been very enthousiastic so far.
I didn't make a single penny. That was my intention from the start. I wanted a NR Tbird and together with an initial 19 enthousiasts I was able to fulfill that wish. In the end there were over 50 participants! And that has been very satisfactory for me.
Now BaCH has contacted me for another project:
A Fenderbird. After the example of the legendary John Entwistle bass.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/smogmonsterusa/Gibson%20RD%20Bass/fenderbird_rsg-1.jpg)
(This pic is not mine. I found it on the Internet. Just to show you which model we're talking about in case you're not yet familiar with the Fenderbird)
It is going to be a bass with a slab Thunderbird body (without the raised centerpiece)
With a bolt on Precision type neck
With two Artec humbuckers (with chromed plastic casing)
Volume Volume, Tone
BaCHBird bridge and tailpiece
Color will most likely be the orange-red color like JAE's bass
Black pickguard
This time however I want to do it differently.
Coordinating the BaCHbird project cost me a disproportionate amount of time.
I want to buy the basses myself this time. And sell them with a little profit to anybody who's interested in buying them.
This way I hope to compensate the time I need to spend on this project.
BaCH has not mentioned definite cost for me. So I can't name an exact resell price yet.But I expect it the stay under 300 euro.
We'll talk about that when I have more detailed info in price, shipping, etc.
Those of you who are interested in a BaCH Fenderbird can send me a PM or email.
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Natuurlijk! Ehm, of course!!
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I think you have the right idea, doing it this way.
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I was one of those who thought you should have gotten something on the BaCHBird project. You certainly earned it.
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Glad to see this and your approach makes good sense. PM to follow.
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Interesting, pm sent
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Look... Peter Cook made the originals, so I HAVE to be interested... pm'd
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I'm interested. I also like the idea that we could possibly get them shipped to the U.S. in two pieces to reduce shipping costs.
One quibble about the one above (which was built by a Dudepit member whose name escapes me). One pickup ring for the bridge pickup, but none for the one under the pickguard.
Only other request is a B neck (or A). Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? :mrgreen:
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I'm interested. I also like the idea that we could possibly get them shipped to the U.S. in two pieces to reduce shipping costs.
+1
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So I can't name an exact resell price yet.But I expect it the stay under 300 euro.
300? Are you kidding - how can it be so cheap?
How much did the NR birds sell for? I missed all that, but that price is crazy low if they "look" like a Fenderbird and play and sound reasonably well. Does anyone play their NR bird live - is there a "review" anywhere that I can read?
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Mark, I got two NR BaCH birds for around 500 Euro including 158 Euro for shipping to the U.S. I don't know how they can price their basses so well but, based on the two I got I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again.
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Thanks George. 300 Euros puts them into the department store cheapshit bass & amp package price range - I would normally find it hard to believe an instrument would even be playable at that price. I've searched and found the 88 page thread (but only got 30 or so pages into in) and it would appear from the comments of a few guys here that they are decent basses, with some gig photos to prove it, albeit quite heavy (11lbs?).
A few months down the track, how do the Bachs hold up - any issues with the electronics or build quality?
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Mark, I'm right there with you on being surprised at the price to quality ratio on these. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself. Scott (Godofthunder) has given these his seal of approval and he's played NR Birds for 30 years. These are hands down the best $300 basses I've ever played. I'd say more but I don't want them raising the price if they do another run!
The thread linked below has lots of live shots. These birds have been really popular and gotten some great reviews among most of those here who bought them with the pickup being praised even by some who originally planned on replacing it but thought better of it once they heard it in action.
http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=2509.0
I know there are some recordings and live reviews but I can't remember where they're posted. Here's a thread that documents one being refinished. They actually added maple over the (some kind of) mahogany body, which we were thinking they did rather than having to fill the grain.
http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=2773.0
Also, the earlier run were a bit heavier but mine weigh in at 9 and 9.2 pounds.
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Mark for the $ you can not beat them most of us have modded ours to some degree but they are just fine out of the box. I still have the original Artec pickup in mine Sounds just fine, good output, nice mid and treble response (just like a Tbird) they are cleaner not as blurry as a 60's Tbird pup. I have one and would like another ! Bach really nailed it in the feel department I can go on more about them later if you like. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/IMG_7371.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/IMG_7370.jpg)
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I eventually got through the whole thread, Mark... just felt compelled too... sorta a right of passage... :mrgreen:
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Yeah, it's a perfectly good bass as it comes out of the box. The only thing I've done to mine was change knobs, and put an old T-bird pickup in it. That was even a tough decision. The Arctec may be the best $30 pickup around. The Gibson adds warmth and depth, but it's not as drastic a change as I'd have expected. The Arctec does just fine on its own. I've been swapping the BaCHBird and the Scroll on the last few gigs I've done, and it stands up with the best of them.
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They are great basses. I'm in the process of putting vintage style tuners and new pots, knobs and strings. I also have a Gibson truss rod cover for it. I thought about doing the mod to the pickup and put the chrome cover over it but I'm just going to leave it as is. I may use a push/pull volume pot for the double/single coil option.
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I don't have a real NR to compare, but I have an almost embarrassing collection of NR photos to obsess over ;D. BaCH really got the structure of that bass down to the details (only some minor differences like the control cavity shape, and think someone mentioned the neck angle is slightly different). The bridge assembly is almost a dead-ringer too. Given that the other parts can all be sourced as NOS stuff or reproductions (the tailpieces, tuners, accurate size/shape pickguards, knobs, pickups, etc...) its a chance to get an original NR look, feel, and (roughly) the sound without huge collector premiums.
Here was mine before I tore it down for refin:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/thunderbird/DSCF0012-2.jpg)
It feels and sounds all Tbird. Its got that thin body and neck, and it really stands its ground well compared to the Elitist that I used to have, and also my Bicentennial. The neck is beautiful. There were no dead spots anywhere, strings were even decent (I think D'Addarios?), and the setup out of the box was actually very nice - with med/low action, no buzzing anywhere, frets were dressed well. It obvious someone cared enough to finish it up. That Silverburst Epi that I had here briefly cost roughly the same price had IMO absolutely no attention paid to final setup, and it required a good deal of tweaking to get it even playable. It just shows that BaCH seems to care enough about their brand image to present their products well, and this was a nice surprise given that cost is down there in that entry-level range. I wouldn't expect prices to stay there if they keep cranking out quality products and build a good reputation.
Does anyone here have one of the BaCH maho 51 Ps? I remember when those hit the streets, people seemed to speak favorably of them too. I have no doubt that these Fenderbirds would be a great value.
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I've been swapping the BaCHBird and the Scroll on the last few gigs I've done, and it stands up with the best of them.
A $300 bass and a +$3000 bass. And the little bird actually stands its own. I know it's apples and oranges but that should say something right there!
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I'm interested: PM sent as well!
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Does anyone here have one of the BaCH maho 51 Ps? I remember when those hit the streets, people seemed to speak favorably of them too.
Yep I have one of those. When I first played one of those and I was surpised by the good quality.
That's where it got started three years ago...
(http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/56/l_85b6c7cb132f930711636e26facee4e6.jpg)
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Is it just me or is everyone else excited about this BaCH Fenderbird?
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I would be excited, I just can't afford anything extra right now.
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Actually I'm pretty excited!
;D
I *need* another bass ;)
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I'd be interested if they were lefty. Someone on Leftybass.com was trying to get the minimum number of committments needed to get a run of the NR T-birds made, but nothing has come of it. :(
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Actually I'm pretty excited!
;D
I *need* another bass ;)
We all need another Thunderbird. ;D
I'd be interested if they were lefty. Someone on Leftybass.com was trying to get the minimum number of committments needed to get a run of the NR T-birds made, but nothing has come of it. :(
They are working on it here, too. http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=2516.0
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Gentlemen,
I've (almost) come to an agreement with BaCH on the price.
The price of the bass itself we've agreed upon.
But now we have to settle for a shipping price.
Stay tuned!
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Hell I can make my own and I'm excited ! I'll buy one to ;D
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Once I know the price, I'll start negotiating with SWMBO... :o
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Okay so BaCH and I have got an agreement on the price.
Price of the Fenderbird built by BaCH:
294 Euro. (BTW/VAT not included)
I'm not sure how it works with taxes if I sell stuff outside the EU.
In The Netherlands we have to add 19%. So for the Dutch it'll cost 349.86 Euro
Shipping cost depends where I need to send it to.
Fenderbird after the famous John Entwistle bass.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/smogmonsterusa/Gibson%20RD%20Bass/fenderbird_rsg-1.jpg)
Body of mahogany. Slab body, so without raised center block like Thunderbird. Upper horn a little bigger and further to the front than Thunderbird. Color orange/red.
Precision type neck. Between A and B neck. Bolt on.
Two Artec humbuckers. With chromed plastic casing. (just like the pickup in the BaCHbird)
Black pickguard. 3 ply (B-W-B)
Two volume pots. One Tone pot.
BaCH TH1 bridge with separate tailpiece. Like BaCHbird.
(http://www.bachmusik.com/system/media/products/BACHT%20CELEK.jpg)
I'm still waiting on an answer from BaCH when they'll start the production.
When I know that, I will need an advance payment from those who want to order a Fenderbird.
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To the UK... London area...?
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I did some research.
If I sell the bass to someone living outside of the EU. Let's say USA for instance.
I don't have to add VAT to the price. So the price I sell the bass for is 294 euro.
If I sell the bass to a person living in the EU. Let's say UK for instance.
I have to add 19% VAT to the price. So the price I sell the bass for is 349,86 euro.
If I sel the bass to a person or company with a VAT-identification number living in the EU. Let's say UK for instance.
I don't have to add VAT to the price. So the price I sell the bass for is 294 euro.
It then is a so called intra-communautair transaction.
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Hey Rob I and some greek friends of mine are interested so I'll need the shipping costs for Greece.
Thanx mate! ;D
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Excellent!
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Rob, as I said on the Dutch Forum: great news, great price and great bass! 8) I can't wait ;)
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Good news. Still interested.
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Shipping to UK is about 25 euro
Shipping to Greece is about 35 euro.
It all depends on the size of the box.
But I'm guessing it won't be longer than 150 cm.
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The budget is not looking good... not the best time of year... :sad:
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BaCH tells me they're also going to make a case for this bass.
They didn't tell me yet how much it'll cost. ???
Somehow they just can't get it together to answer simple questions like that... :sad:
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You need to take a Czech language course.
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BaCH tells me they're also going to make a case for this bass.
They didn't tell me yet how much it'll cost. ???
Somehow they just can't get it together to answer simple questions like that... :sad:
If you have to ask...
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It is possible to order just a loaded body?
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Yes. But it would cost the same as a complete bass.
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I imagine shipping would be a lot less though because of the reduced package size.
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I imagine shipping would be a lot less though because of the reduced package size.
Size of the package doesn't really matter. It's the weight that counts.
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Are they will/able to incorporate lefties into the production run or would that have to be a seperate deal like the NRs?
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Are they will/able to incorporate lefties into the production run or would that have to be a seperate deal like the NRs?
Not this time.
Maybe in the next run?
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Any update on this project?
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Rob add me to this list if there is actualy one.
jim
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Dead in the water?
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No, not at all.
BaCH tells me they'll have the prototype in august.
Bear with me
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gives us all time to save up some money )))) or prepare the wife....
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I didn't think anyone in europe actually works in August ;)
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I didn't think anyone in europe actually works in August ;)
That's France and maybe Italy. Further north we have a fine protestant work ethic.
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Italy definitely shut in August...
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Greece is shut whole of the summer.
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We 'Murricans just crank up the AC until we get brownouts and continue doing bizness. ;D
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I received an email from Roman today with only this picture.
(http://mojohobo.com/images/bachbird.jpg)
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Holy crap! Put me on the list!!
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:o
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I just poo'd myself! :o
Sproing!
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Looks nice. Pickguard needs fine tuning. :P
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Wow!!
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From the home page of the Bach site
(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy5/tore00/ft_1.jpg)
it must be mine!
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NOW we're talking! I MUCH prefer solid colors on these beasts. (Sorry John :mrgreen:)
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From the home page of the Bach site
(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy5/tore00/ft_1.jpg)
it must be mine!
No denying that is one red bass!
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count me in again.....
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I have no idea what's going on guys.
I just got back from my vacation in Portugal.
I am waiting on a few answers from BaCH (among others...)
???
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I have no idea what's going on guys.
I just got back from my vacation in Portugal.
I am waiting on a few answers from BaCH (among others...)
???
Vacationing in Portugal!?
Seriously, do share some pics with us Rob :)
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You know what they say about red basses.
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Vacationing in Portugal!?
Seriously, do share some pics with us Rob :)
here's Daan (age 6) relaxing at sunset on Lagos beach
(http://gallery.me.com/vdbroekrob/100090/P8221970/web.jpg?ver=12832755000001)
here's Floor and the boys at Cape Saint Vincent, the end of the world. Or -in other words- the most south westerly point of the continent. 8)
(http://gallery.me.com/vdbroekrob/100086/P8231976/web.jpg?ver=12832754220001)
tumbling dolphins;
we saw a whole bunch of them when we took a boat trip.
(http://gallery.me.com/vdbroekrob/100076/P8272023/web.jpg?ver=12832752930001)
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Had a large pod of dolphins following a ferry I was on the last time I went over the water to the Hebrides... what an incredible sight...
Glad you all had a great time...!
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Sorry to hijack the thread.
Rob, beautiful pics and family please share more with us!
And I wants me a FenderBird!
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Now available for sale! I am ready to order one. They also launched sale of lefty Fenderbird and lefty non reverse!
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Anyone seen what the headstock looks like?
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Yes they are for sale.
I'm still corresponding with BaCH about the pickguard.
They made it the wrong shape. (like they did with the BaCHbird too...).
Although they don't show the headstock in any of the pics on their site, I can assure you it's got the right shape.
Send me an email or PM if you want a Fenderbird.
Price of the Fenderbird built by BaCH:
294 Euro. (BTW/VAT not included)
I'm not sure how it works with taxes if I sell stuff outside the EU.
In The Netherlands we have to add 19%. So for the Dutch it'll cost 349.86 Euro
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-re-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-he-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-br-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-pl-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-ll-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-necke-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-backe-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-fre-jpg.)
The dark honyburst with rosewood fretboard
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-sb-e-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-sb-deie-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-sb-d-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-sb-dee-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-sb-fe-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-sb-fte-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-sb-hz-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-sb-necke-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-sb-backie-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-sb-neck-e-jpg.)
And a Fenderbird for the lefties among us!
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-lh-a-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-lh-gmte-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-lh-gte-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-lh-gtie-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-lh-hze-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-lh-nrck-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-lh-gmte-jpg.)
(http://www.bachmusik.com/ew-core/watermark.php?cache=product-det/ft-lhe-jpg.)
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:o Beautiful, my fingers are itching to try one! 8)
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their website is overloaded thanks to all of us....
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(Somewhere, Roman is reliving old Clint movies... "Go ahead... make my day..." ;))
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Rob - knobs look set back too far towards bridge.
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I know. There's a whole lot of more details that aren't 100% right...
It is very frustrating, because there is nothing I can do about it.
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I like the knobs back and out of the way, Kinda what I was thinking of when I built this in '82 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/100_1695.jpg)
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I like the knobs back and out of the way, Kinda what I was thinking of when I built this in '82 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/100_1695.jpg)
great peice of mahogany
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Finally got a Fenderbird built by BaCH in the house.
Width at the nut is 38 mm.
Still with the wrong pick guard.
But now I can at least get an idea how it plays and sounds. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzTGCOHj-SE
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I'd like one in that same color combo! Will be sending you an email.
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Great looking bass! I brought my (non-BaCH) Fenderbird out for a gig Saturday night. What a plank! Sounds great though.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs633.snc4/59329_149213721780478_135719839796533_231857_1271828_n.jpg)
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Cool shot, cool bass. Who built that one?
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Love the hat...! ;D
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I love the bass. Looks good in that shade of blue.
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Cool shot, cool bass. Who built that one?
I built it, starting with an abused body that Barklessdog gave me several years ago. Modified Warmoth body, Mighty Mite neck, Gibson TB+ pups, Schaller bridge, Hipshot Ulrtralites/D tuner.
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I built it, starting with an abused body that Barklessdog gave me several years ago. Modified Warmoth body, Mighty Mite neck, Gibson TB+ pups, Schaller bridge, Hipshot Ulrtralites/D tuner.
Really nice job on the cutaway and moving the neck pocket. I was wondering about the 'plank' remark, is the Warmoth body heavy?
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Have to credit Barkless for the deep cutaway and neck pocket. I actually moved it in a little further in order to have the butchered pickup routes properly positioned, based on a 60s non-rev. This F-bird is based on one of JAE's black ones. The guy that worked on the body did a terrible job, THEN painted it the wrong color! I saved it from becoming fire wood.
Yes, HEAVY! It's 1-3/4'' thick.
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Glad you saved it from the wood pile!
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Worst was it took the guy a year to ruin it.
He made the pickup routes too big & painted it the wrong color. The guy was so highly recommended by a local shop that he did all their set ups & repairs.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/MY%20BASSES/bluebirdfe.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/MY%20BASSES/bluefb.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/MY%20BASSES/layout2.jpg)
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Really tight spacing on the pots/jack. That p/g logo looks interesting. How far off was the color from what you wanted?
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I've said it before and it bears repeating - that bass is effing badass!
I love that shape and PG!
Alas, a girl's gotta have some G.A.S. :-*
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Really tight spacing on the pots/jack. That p/g logo looks interesting. How far off was the color from what you wanted?
I wanted Pelham, which I could let slide, but the wait time & what he did was unforgivable. I ended up making my own body out a single piece of Honduran Mahogany & found a "real" luthier who knew what the heck he was doing & routed / set up & painted me an amazing bass.
The wood I found was so nice, he talked me into a tobacco burst that was used on 60's firebirds, with a slight amber tint. He also planed the body down to 1 5/8" instead of 1 3/4" to keep the weight down a little (about a 10lb bass). He also angled the heel block and counter sunk the neck bolts. All for a really low price and got it done quickly.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/MY%20BASSES/topview.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/MY%20BASSES/ferrule.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/MY%20BASSES/fbird.jpg)
Nakey
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/MY%20BASSES/fbnakey.jpg)
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The logo I design combined a John Entwistle drawing he did with the Thunderbird logo.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/MY%20BASSES/buzzardJEB.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/MY%20BASSES/BUZZPINCH.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/MY%20BASSES/terrip.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/MY%20BASSES/tnspection.jpg)
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Really Nice! Guess that's the difference between a luthier and a repairman. Thumbs up on the Buzzard meets Tbird logo and finish.
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He's also a heck a bassist.
He works out of a local Music store and is one of those guys that sets a bass in minutes, effortlessly, that makes them play like butter.
I took my LP bass to him when I first got it. It felt uncomfortable with the curved top & chancy neck to play. After he set it up, it plays great & is now one of my best playing basses. The other is my Fenderbird which sound like an Alembic- Maple & mahogany are a great combination.
My Fenderbird is featured on this song.
The Way of The Ninja
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=578947&songID=4411174
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Definitely looks like a labor of love on your luthier's part. Cool tune!
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They are both great looking FB's. I love the Buzzbird logo too. John, your tunes always have that primal edge to them with a hint of prog. Always catch me and hold me waiting to see whats going to happen next.
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Well I ordered my Fenderbird. I am waiting for confirmation from Roman and hopefully I will get by end of the month!
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This Telebird is kinda cool too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKEyjRDSc-k
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I like the Telebird look. It looks like the neck is too far out from the body though.
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Great upper register access though!(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/godofthunder59/2326845380083345702KEjiTE_ph.jpg)
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Here are pics of my recently modified Bach Fenderbird: pickups are an Artec at bridge and a Gibson 70 at neck, wired in series/parallel. Great bass! Really like how it plays expecially with the pickups in series
(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy5/tore00/Fenderbird/SANY00082-Copia.jpg)
(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy5/tore00/Fenderbird/SANY00092.jpg)
(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy5/tore00/Fenderbird/SANY00182.jpg)
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Any update on these? Did any get delivered?
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I've built and delivered 25 of these this year
(http://i976.photobucket.com/albums/ae241/cata1d0/P1040878.jpg)
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Any update on these? Did any get delivered?
Is that you, Terry?
I've got #4 ....
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Bass%20gear/IMG00210-20110321-1143.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/mdeayton/Bass%20gear/IMG00215-20110321-2217.jpg)
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Any update on these? Did any get delivered?
I have 2
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BaCH is working on a second series as we speak.
With a few improvements; such as color and the shape of the pickguard.
Shouldn't be too long till they're available again.