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Title: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: doombass on February 17, 2009, 07:42:23 PM
Looks like there will be a limited run of the Gibson Grabber (one LP TB plus pickup):

Click on New Releases and then Limited Run Series and you'll see the pic. No info yet though.

http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Bass/Gibson-USA.aspx (http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Bass/Gibson-USA.aspx)

(http://www2.gibson.com/getdoc/babb69cf-5220-4240-bae1-48fb059273de/BAG2SECH1-Product-Navigation-Thumbnail.aspx)
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Blazer on February 17, 2009, 08:13:20 PM
(http://www2.gibson.com/getdoc/ef7725e0-5a28-41ee-b3d3-b96e73fc1acb/BAG2SECH1-Finish-Shot.aspx)
(http://www2.gibson.com/getdoc/154f6556-7a44-431a-9f87-ac04465f69c6/BAG2SECH1-Beauty-Shot.aspx)

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"It’s full of flexibility so the artist can choose his own personal playing action as well as his personal sound with a patented sliding pickup.” – Gibson catalog, circa 1975

The introduction of the original Gibson Grabber bass in 1973 caught the attention of bassists around the world. Its sleek design was matched ever so smoothly by its thick, heavy and well-defined tone, and thousands of players found its versatility very hard to ignore, including the likes of Gene Simmons of KISS, Mike Dirnt of Green Day and Krist Novoselic of Nirvana. The model has been out of the Gibson catalog since 1982, but it is back again — briefly — thanks to the introduction of the Grabber II, now available as part of Gibson USA’s 2009 Limited Run Series guitars. Today’s Grabber II bass stay true to the model’s production years of 1973-75 with its arrow-shaped, Flying V-inspired headstock, bell-shaped truss rod cover and Gibson-designed sliding humbucking pickup, which allows players to slide the pickup between the end of the neck and the bridge and fine-tune the frequency response of the instrument. Its 34½-inch scale length also remains identical, yielding the same low, resonant response as the original model. The large “shamrock” button tuners and chunky, three-point adjustable bridge are back as well, as is the simple one-volume, one-tone control setup. The Grabber II also emulates the original in its use of a thin maple body, as used on the first Grabbers until the change to alder wood in 1975, which contributes to the bass’ excellent tonal clarity and punch. The Limited Run Series Grabber II also utilizes Gibson’s traditional glued-in set maple neck with a 20-fret rosewood fingerboard, which enhances the bass’ tonal quality and sustain. The back of the neck also sports a natural satin finish that makes it one of the fastest, most playable necks on any Gibson guitar.  All in all, this “rediscovered” Gibson bass offers the heavy, rocking tones of the ’70s in an instrument crafted for 21st century playability. Each new Grabber II comes with its own Limited Series Run customized certificate of authenticity and a black Gibson hardshell case with plush white interior and silkscreened Gibson USA logo.
Not entirely accurate what they say here. Mike Dirnt played a G3 and Krist Novoselic used Rippers.

This new Grabber has a glued in neck, which when added to the three point bridge, effectively makes it a Ripper with a Grabber pickup.

But I think it looks cool, with the exception of that sharp edged headstock shape and those overly large tuners.
(http://www.flyguitars.com/graphics/77grabber2.jpg)
The original style looked much better in my opinion.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Lightyear on February 17, 2009, 08:55:52 PM
I like it but, forgive me - I almost like the original black plastic pickup better than the chrome :sad: :sad:

I wish that the headstock had been faithfullly reproduced as well.  The set neck is probably going to run the price up too.

At least there's hope for the NR Bird release.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: nofi on February 17, 2009, 09:39:39 PM
i've always thought that sliding plastic pickup was so cheesy. but everything old is new again so if the price is right they will probably sell. i tried a few when they first came out and was not impressed. i bought a used ripper instead.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: TBird1958 on February 17, 2009, 09:57:05 PM

BLACK and CHROME!

 What's not love?!?!?!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Chris P. on February 18, 2009, 12:40:46 AM
I like it:)

But why does Gibson puts the chrome pick ups on the wrong basses? Put this one on a bird and a black one on this. But I still like it very much!
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Stjofön Big on February 18, 2009, 12:48:04 AM
That one looks just like my own black Ripper, which I rebuilt a few years ago with a black T-bird pup. I guess the only difference is the Ripper head (thanks Gibson! The Grabber head is no beauty!).
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Basvarken on February 18, 2009, 12:59:07 AM
Wow I like it.
The chrome pickup looks good to me. Although he four screws that attach it to the sliding plate make it looks like a home made solution. And I don't understand why they placed the machines heads under an angle.
But still a pretty bass.
Of course it will flop big time (in the Gibson tradition). It will only make the bass more desirable for geeks like us.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: n!k on February 18, 2009, 02:05:56 AM
Wow, looks fantastic!
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: exiledarchangel on February 18, 2009, 02:14:58 AM
I'd prefer an old-style headstock with 3 chrome TBs. Not sliding.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Chris P. on February 18, 2009, 03:49:23 AM
For a modern reissue I'd expect they'd use a new bridge like on the Epi Ripper.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: uwe on February 18, 2009, 03:54:18 AM
Nothing to nitpick here at all, this is a great and daring reissue, basically a Ripper with the more agressive Grabber electronics brought into this new millenium with TB Plus pups. Pretty much a combo of everything I like on Ripper and Grabber respectively, minus what I don't like. I've ordered one (though price is quite hefty for the reissue of Gibson's once budget bass!).

Also, the first non mahogany bass by Gibson since the nineties. Is history repeating itself? Are RD and Victory reissues up next?  ;D

Great find, Daniel, thanks!

Uwe

PS: I find the headstock variation and slanted tuners chic and different.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Chris P. on February 18, 2009, 04:30:04 AM
In the worst case they'll send you the prototype Uwe. Strange that this beast wasn't at the NAMM. I hope we can see it at the Messe.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: godofthunder on February 18, 2009, 05:15:30 AM
Thank god they didn't black out the hardware, the chrome looks stunning against the black finish! I really like it ! I have not one bad thing to say.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: godofthunder on February 18, 2009, 05:18:51 AM
Ok I have one bad thing to say..........................$3,192 msrp for a Grabber !  :o Holy cats makes my '78 Grabber seem like a bargin at $450.00
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Chris P. on February 18, 2009, 05:32:42 AM
BTW, see link above. Since when is the SG Reissue Bass called SG Standard Bass? That means you have to buy that too, Uwe. No other colour, but definately another name:)
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Nocturnal on February 18, 2009, 05:52:02 AM
I like it!  ;D
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Barklessdog on February 18, 2009, 06:59:37 AM
Very cool, expensive for a Grabber/Ripper
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: the mojo hobo on February 18, 2009, 07:02:14 AM
Very cool, expensive, no mention of the body wood?



The Grabber II also emulates the original in its use of a thin maple body, as used on the first Grabbers until the change to alder wood in 1975
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: uwe on February 18, 2009, 07:39:20 AM
This is more a Ripper than a Grabber in structure: set neck, headstock not scarved, but in one piece with the neck, probably a multi-ply neck too, three point bridge, more expensive pup. The original Grabber was a cheapo in comparison. Still, while that (and passage of time, inflation, purchasing power etc) accounts for it being a lot more expensive these days than the original was in the days of yore, it doesn't explain the extravagantly high difference, even for a limited edition.  :o :o :o

Except that it is a Gibson bass of course. Which means not many will be sold, so you have to make a buck on those few that you actually can sell.  ;D ;D ;D

Still a nice surprise. I wouldn't have thought that Gibson would go back to reissuing something from its maple era.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Dave W on February 18, 2009, 07:45:37 AM
BTW, see link above. Since when is the SG Reissue Bass called SG Standard Bass? That means you have to buy that too, Uwe. No other colour, but definately another name:)

Not only is the name changed, it's now $2419 MSRP on Gibson's site, while the Thunderbird MSRPs have dropped to $1799 for the TB IV and $2399 for the Sixx.

I noticed that they also have the Epis shown on the Gibson site, although you can separate out the Gibson USA models.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: lowend1 on February 18, 2009, 07:48:13 AM
This, missing from the press release:
"In its own version of 'economic stimulus'***, Gibson once again asks asking the bass-buying public to bend over and grab its ankles."
At that price, they should have issued it as "The Reamer" and stashed a tube of Preparation H in the case compartment.

*** Uwe's insight: You mean it's a Grabbama bass? In ebony finish too ... ouch (and crawling under the rock I despicably came from ...)

LOL - No, if that were the case, nobody would be able to agree on what color the bass actually was...
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: uwe on February 18, 2009, 07:51:49 AM
BTW, see link above. Since when is the SG Reissue Bass called SG Standard Bass? That means you have to buy that too, Uwe. No other colour, but definately another name:)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Do not tempt me, Niederländer!!!

Luckily, the trussrod cover is unchanged (not like with the Money bass). It still reads SG, just like it did under the SG-RI moniker, so technically it is still the same bass after all ....

Phew, close call, talked myself out of that one ...  8)

Uwe
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Basvarken on February 18, 2009, 08:24:45 AM
Hey Uwe, is it me or is the headstock of that SG Standard slightly wider than the SG reissue headstock? ;D
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: gearHed289 on February 18, 2009, 09:16:13 AM
Hmm, pretty sexy. Definitely more of a "Gripper" than Grabber. No maple 'board? I do have a thing for black and chrome.  ;D
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: TBird1958 on February 18, 2009, 09:16:35 AM
Not only is the name changed, it's now $2419 MSRP on Gibson's site, while the Thunderbird MSRPs have dropped to $1799 for the TB IV and $2399 for the Sixx.

I noticed that they also have the Epis shown on the Gibson site, although you can separate out the Gibson USA models.

 Just FYI I paid 1799 for my Nikki Sixx Mk.II...........I think any better (non-GC!) dealer is going to get you a way better price than the msrp on this bass, which BTW I really like - hard to belive, it's not a Thunderbird!  
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: uwe on February 18, 2009, 09:56:31 AM
Hey Uwe, is it me or is the headstock of that SG Standard slightly wider than the SG reissue headstock? ;D

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!  :-X :-\ :-X

Yes, it does look slightly more flared, but I will simply refuse to believe it.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: lowend1 on February 18, 2009, 10:17:51 AM
I think you're safe, Uwe. They look the same to me.
The REAL question is, are the SKUs different? If so, then they are technically two different models. :rolleyes:
I'm just sayin'...

Uwe: Rather than empathy for my completist itch, what I have come to expect in this forum is sheer mockery ... sigh!  
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Barklessdog on February 18, 2009, 10:48:47 AM
Has anyone tried TB pickups on a Maple bodied bass ?
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: rockinrayduke on February 18, 2009, 11:23:42 AM
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At that price, they should have issued it as "The Reamer" and stashed a tube of Preparation H in the case compartment.

Now that is a good one. ;)
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: uwe on February 18, 2009, 11:40:54 AM
Has anyone tried TB pickups on a Maple bodied bass ?

Gibson has. On the EB 650 hollowbody (which in addition to its maple body had a huge maple sustain block and maple neck). That bass sounded sharp to the point of harsh with them, not an inherently bad sound if one likes aggressive sounding basses, but expectation-defying in a baffling way when it comes to hollowbodies which you imagine to be mellow and largely attackless. On a Grabber, which sounded raucous (and was supposed to sound that way as Gibson's P Bass Vergeltungswaffe) to begin with, sound and expectation might just match. The TB Plus should have the middish rawness of the old Grabber pups, but with more treble sparkle and a lot more bass ooomph. I always found Grabbers lacking in that latter department. They're loud and abrasive, but don't have the sublow authority of the otherwise more docile (or less overt, if you like, Grabbers do nag a little in sound) Ripper.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Dave W on February 18, 2009, 12:03:13 PM
Just FYI I paid 1799 for my Nikki Sixx Mk.II...........I think any better (non-GC!) dealer is going to get you a way better price than the msrp on this bass, which BTW I really like - hard to belive, it's not a Thunderbird!  

Agreed. The reason I mentioned it is because it looks like a big increase on the SG and a big drop on the regular T-Bird.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: ramone57 on February 18, 2009, 01:19:06 PM
Has anyone tried TB pickups on a Maple bodied bass ?


I seem to recall somebody put a TB pup in a ripper but can't remember who.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: EvilLordJuju on February 18, 2009, 03:00:51 PM
I don't understand. Why would they re-release their cheapest bass ever (maybe not quite) at such a price. I bet they fall around laughing every time they sell one. Maybe it is just so that when they come down to 1.5k they seem reasonable.

I do like the new headstock, and i'm glad about the upgraded bridge (although as there is no precident for a three point, don't see why they used it).

I really wish the pickup slide length had increased. Think what this would be like if it could slide all the way from neck to bridge. Now, that would be something special!
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: lowend1 on February 18, 2009, 03:17:12 PM
I really wish the pickup slide length had increased. Think what this would be like if it could slide all the way from neck to bridge. Now, that would be something special!

Yeah! On a motorized track that could be adjusted on the fly - like the power windows in your car. With stored presets as well. And a coffee maker.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Basvarken on February 18, 2009, 03:21:48 PM
The concept of the black plate where the pickup is mounted on doesn't allow that much travel. If you would want the pickup to slide more towards the ncek you'd have to cut off that plate. Which would leave a gaping route once you'd slide it towards the bridge.
And vice versa.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: godofthunder on February 18, 2009, 03:21:54 PM
Believe me the three point bridge is no upgrade.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: godofthunder on February 18, 2009, 03:23:32 PM
I always thought the Grabber would have been a much better bass and a better selling bass had they equipped it with two pickups instead of the sliding nonsense.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Basvarken on February 18, 2009, 03:26:27 PM
and two sliding pickups?  ;D




Hmmm good idea for an April 1st joke
Oh dang, now I've spoilt all the fun...
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Dave W on February 18, 2009, 03:26:42 PM
I don't understand. Why would they re-release their cheapest bass ever (maybe not quite) at such a price. I bet they fall around laughing every time they sell one. Maybe it is just so that when they come down to 1.5k they seem reasonable.


Up next: a $2500 MSRP SB300 and a $2000 MSRP Kalamazoo.  :P
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: uwe on February 18, 2009, 04:25:47 PM
No snide remarks about the war or SBs here, jawohl!
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: lowend1 on February 18, 2009, 04:35:30 PM
and two sliding pickups?  ;D

My vote is for a sliding bridge - instant switch from long scale to short scale!
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: EvilLordJuju on February 18, 2009, 06:34:14 PM
The concept of the black plate where the pickup is mounted on doesn't allow that much travel. If you would want the pickup to slide more towards the ncek you'd have to cut off that plate. Which would leave a gaping route once you'd slide it towards the bridge.
And vice versa.

The pickup could be on rails, and be thin enough not to need a any route. It could sit above the scratchplate and just slide along. Dan Armstrong had something similar prior to the Grabber.

I still think this is a great idea - but just badly executed on the Grabber. And yeah, why not have a wah pedal controller? (ok, maybe that is going too far)

Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Blazer on February 18, 2009, 06:51:38 PM
The pickup could be on rails, and be thin enough not to need a any route. It could sit above the scratchplate and just slide along. Dan Armstrong had something similar prior to the Grabber.
And the Matsumoku built Westone "The Rail" bass also employed that idea.
(http://norgesbass.info/Bilder/Westone.jpg)

I still think this is a great idea - but just badly executed on the Grabber. And yeah, why not have a wah pedal controller? (ok, maybe that is going too far)
Well VOX had a guitar built in the sixties which incorporated built in effects including a wah, which was operated with a palm handle.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: eb2 on February 18, 2009, 09:43:00 PM
I always wanted one of these sliders, and they are EB-0ish.

http://flickr.com/photos/sumlin/2571267931/
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Stjofön Big on February 19, 2009, 01:33:26 AM
Concerning  the Westone "The Rail": Now, that's one ugly sucker! I don't care about it's qualitys. Ugly, ugly, ugly. Brrrrr.............
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on February 19, 2009, 06:07:37 AM
Yeah! On a motorized track that could be adjusted on the fly - like the power windows in your car. With stored presets as well. And a coffee maker.

Oh you must be talking about the new NEW Grabber Robot?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: gweimer on February 19, 2009, 07:11:10 AM
Has anyone tried TB pickups on a Maple bodied bass ?

The Holy Crap bass is about as close as you can get to that.  This is the bass that I call the paint peeler.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b170/gweimer/basses/12-23-2006-03.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: uwe on February 19, 2009, 08:11:48 AM
But those are Bartolinis, probably from a Les Paul DeLuxe, not TB Plus pups which found use on the LP Special in their soap bar and on the LP Standard in their chrome version.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: gweimer on February 19, 2009, 08:30:16 AM
But those are Bartolinis, probably from a Les Paul DeLuxe, not TB Plus pups which found use on the LP Special in their soap bar and on the LP Standard in their chrome version.

That's why I said "as close".  The Barts aren't exactly TB pickups, but they're pretty close.   ;)
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: uwe on February 19, 2009, 08:40:19 AM
I've never heard them passive. Souped up with the TCT active circuit they sound a lot cleaner and less middish than TB Plus pups souped up with the same circuit.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Barklessdog on February 26, 2009, 06:07:28 AM
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BAG2SECH/

$1749 is a much better price in my opinion. Wait till they get discounted like the GOW basses did on Ebay.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Dave W on February 26, 2009, 09:34:27 AM
I can't see many being sold at $1749.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: uwe on February 26, 2009, 11:44:09 AM
You're being very, very negative here, Dave.  Gibson bass sales have gone from strength to strength and now this. As if putting out an expensive remake of a once budget bass that went out of style decades ago wasn't a recipe for success.

OTOH: Isn't that what Höfner did with their 500/1? Someone call Sir Paul quickly and entice him to play a Grabber. Retroactively.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: EvilLordJuju on February 26, 2009, 02:08:40 PM
I don't really want one, but would get one if the price was right, just to satisfy curiosity.

If one came up on ebay in two months time with a 'buy it now', what would it have to be before you hit it?

Question aimed at anyone/everyone...


Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: TBird1958 on February 26, 2009, 02:14:52 PM

 I think its a pretty cool bass,  $1749.00 in today dollars isn't obscene for a new instrument, especially since its a set neck construction. That said, used vintage doesn't go for that much so.............
Also since we here tend to follow and enjoy Gibson more so than most we are perhaps a bit biased about old vs. new.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Barklessdog on February 26, 2009, 03:02:30 PM
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$1749.00 in today dollars isn't obscene for a new instrument

And a USA made one. Try to buy a USA Lakland for that. All that could buy is a new Skyline.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: TBird1958 on February 26, 2009, 03:06:32 PM

Page after page of bellyachin' about 7ender price increases elsewhere.....................
I deal with one Lighting Mfg in Skokie, Il. that has raised their prices 3 times in the last 10 months, stuff just costs more now, we'd all better get used to it.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Dave W on February 26, 2009, 03:07:49 PM
I think its a pretty cool bass,  $1749.00 in today dollars isn't obscene for a new instrument, especially since its a set neck construction. That said, used vintage doesn't go for that much so.............
Also since we here tend to follow and enjoy Gibson more so than most we are perhaps a bit biased about old vs. new.

No, it's certainly not obscene. Still, it's a reissue of a lower line bass priced as a premium bass.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Dave W on February 26, 2009, 03:12:26 PM
And a USA made one. Try to buy a USA Lakland for that. All that could buy is a new Skyline.

Apples and oranges. Lakland's a small shop. Compare that to other factories. You can buy a new Rick 4003, MM Stingray or Sterling or AS Fender P or J for less than $1749. And all of those are successful designs.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Barklessdog on February 26, 2009, 03:18:47 PM
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Still, it's a reissue of a lower line bass priced as a premium bass.
That is the part that is ironic to me. They re-issue the Ripper as a budget Epi which was the top of the line Gibson in the G-3 series, then re-issue the budget entry level Grabber at the top of the line bracket Gibson?

Who is making these decisions?
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: TBird1958 on February 26, 2009, 04:22:06 PM

 "Who is making these decisions?

 What, didn't you see my post about the "Holy Explorer" ?
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Dave W on February 26, 2009, 09:47:16 PM

Who is making these decisions?

I've found an exclusive video of Gibson's executive decision making team when they first arrived on our planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_BPcDOjJCc
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: uwe on February 27, 2009, 03:39:24 AM
Comparing it to an original Grabber isn't really apt. This Grabber II is obviously not a budget model, it just emulates the look of one. They might as well have called it Ripper, but I guess the sliding pickup was regarded as the determining characteristic and gimmicky sales angle hence the Grabber name. And it is true that outside Gibon nerd circles the Ripper/Grabber/G-3 family is collectively remebered as "those wide basses with a pick-up you could move, heavy as a log and going by the name of Grabber or Ripper".

Would a limited edition Stingray be much cheaper? The Stingray has more lavish electronics, true, but also a cheaper/easier to make bolt-on neck construction.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: doombass on February 27, 2009, 05:39:39 AM
Priced just about the same as the now deleted Les Paul Standard Bass even though they use cheaper woods/bridge and less electronics I suppose that the Limited Edition factor justifies the same pricing. I'd say 1749$ is an expected Gibson pricing.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Barklessdog on February 27, 2009, 06:03:39 AM
I've found an exclusive video of Gibson's executive decision making team when they first arrived on our planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_BPcDOjJCc

I actually own that movie!

I think the really sad part is that they did not even try to make the concept better, but instead just put together a faximily of the Grabber with off the shelf parts. They could have actually made the pickup slide in a useful range (a double telescoping slide would have given more travel. Or have a new take on the varitone or a Warwick Bridge
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: uwe on February 27, 2009, 07:18:38 AM
I don't think this is an earnest attempt to reintroduce the Grabber/Ripper/G-3 line. Just like the 2007 GoW RD guitar wasn't an attempt to reintroduce the RD. They are just nods to the past. And Gibson probably quite rightly believes that due to the novelty factor there is a better chance of selling 350 Grabber IIs to a select market for a limited time in addition to their current sales of TBs and SG basses than raising sales of TBs and SGs. It's a way to keep up the utilisation in Nashville, keep the product line interesting and make a few extra sales.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Dave W on February 27, 2009, 01:25:09 PM

Would a limited edition Stingray be much cheaper? The Stingray has more lavish electronics, true, but also a cheaper/easier to make bolt-on neck construction.

The 30th anniversary 'Ray had a list of $2500 and a street price of around $1750, so I guess that's a fair comparison. Still, that StingRay was a deluxe bass, not a cynical attempt to cash in on an older economy model. And we needn't even talk about fit and finish differences between MM and Gibson.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Barklessdog on February 27, 2009, 01:36:17 PM
Could be they had a shelf of LP pickups to unload.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: godofthunder on February 27, 2009, 04:46:48 PM
Could be they had a shelf of LP pickups to unload.
Pretty much what I was thinking !
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Andrew on March 06, 2009, 08:09:21 AM
Sorry if I missed it's mention, but has anyone also seen the new Gibson Ripper? Details on it?
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Basvarken on March 06, 2009, 08:13:29 AM
Ripper? Where?
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: uwe on March 06, 2009, 10:24:19 AM
The Ripper question makes me wonder as together with the BFG bass pic dealt with in another thread here, my guitar shop sent me a pic of another supposedly "new" Gibson bass which looked just like an old, but well-kept Ripper to me, so I immediately discarded that it would interest anyone here ... But now I'm starting to think whether the fact that it had a blond body with an ebony or rosewood neck was not down to a refin (non-maple boards with a blonde body weren't available unless you asked for it in the seventies) but with it being a new model after all. I'll dig out the pic and post it here. But if it is indeed something new then they would have matched the look of the old Ripper pups pretty well (with once again TB Plus lurking underneath). It would strike me as folly to bring out an upgraded Grabber and a new Ripper out at the same time - talk about cannibalizing sales - but with Gibson you never know. Stay tuned ...
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Andrew on March 06, 2009, 10:31:51 AM
Sorry, I figured it would've been old news here by now. I was looking at a 2009 price list from Gibson that a guy I know who works for the Canuk distributor of Gibson had. It listed a Ripper bass for $300 more than the new Grabber (I think it was around $2300). Maybe it won't actualize, but it seems or at least seemed to be in the works at some point.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: Barklessdog on March 06, 2009, 10:51:09 AM
This would be the first anyone has heard this. Wow, maybe just two LP pups?
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !!
Post by: uwe on March 06, 2009, 10:59:07 AM
Then it can't be long before they reissue the SB-450 too, rechristened SB-4500 of course. That'll be the day a certain Dave W will shamefully resign here and restrict himself to moderating guitar and anti-Walmart forums for enduring penance!!!
Title: Ze new Ripper?
Post by: uwe on March 06, 2009, 01:24:45 PM
My brethren, I have undeniably sinned - Mark shall administer the necessary and highly deserved lashes at his own discretion please - in withholding this from you: I thought it was an old Ripper refinned, but it might very well be the new model:

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/000_Grabbernat.jpg)

The regal varitone has returneth. Fall to your knees and repent if you please!

And on closer inspection they might have moved both the two pups and the controls a bit more towards the neck.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: aluminumcatfish on March 06, 2009, 01:29:26 PM
What's next? A G3 with three TB plus Pups?  ???
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: Andrew on March 06, 2009, 01:33:21 PM
What's next? A G3 with three TB plus Pups?  ???

Hell yeah! I like how you think!
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: uwe on March 06, 2009, 01:37:16 PM
Maybe Epi sales of the Ltd. Edition Ripper weren't so bad after all that they had the guts to reissue this.  :o :o :o Je suis amazed. I wouldn't have expected to see a Grabber or a Ripper reissue by Gibson, much less both, in my lifetime. Seems to me that Gibson's marketing dept has decided to no longer leave the market for maple basses untapped. And maybe that guy who plays an old Ripper with the Foo Fighters has had an influence too.  

Now I want a Mel Schacher, Peter Cetera and Gene Simmons signature ltd ed of it!!!

Make way for the fat bottomed girls.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: Basvarken on March 06, 2009, 01:57:56 PM
Maybe I should sell the G4 idea to Gibson? :mrgreen:

(http://www.superfloor.net/G4BODY.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: uwe on March 06, 2009, 02:01:03 PM
Masters of deception diese Holländer ...
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: Dave W on March 06, 2009, 03:10:26 PM
I'm waiting for 60s Kalamazoo chipboard reissues. But only with real mudbuckers. And chintzy tuners.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: Barklessdog on March 07, 2009, 05:24:43 AM
Maybe I should sell the G4 idea to Gibson? :mrgreen:

(http://www.superfloor.net/G4BODY.jpg)


New Spinal Tap Tour bass?
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: godofthunder on March 07, 2009, 07:00:41 AM
We should petition Gibson and have them make the G4 !  :o The Last Bass Outpost edition.
Title: Re: Ze new Ripper?
Post by: godofthunder on March 07, 2009, 07:44:56 AM
My brethren, I have undeniably sinned - Mark shall administer the necessary and highly deserved lashes at his own discretion please - in withholding this from you: I thought it was an old Ripper refinned, but it might very well be the new model:

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/000_Grabbernat.jpg)

The regal varitone has returneth. Fall to your knees and repent if you please!

And on closer inspection they might have moved both the two pups and the controls a bit more towards the neck.
  Picture is the same location as the BFG bass, Gibson must be holding out on us :(
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: Dave W on March 07, 2009, 10:06:52 AM
How dare they not consult us first!  ;)
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: clankenstein on March 07, 2009, 10:11:05 PM
im waiting for the suzi quatro grabber with 2 sliding pickups   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: uwe on March 08, 2009, 12:02:47 PM
Why should Suzi have had one with two sliding pups? There is probably some nasty innuendo there that I'm missing ...
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: clankenstein on March 08, 2009, 12:31:13 PM
just antipodean sarcasm.-http://www.flyguitars.com/interviews/SuziQuatro.php
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: Dave W on March 08, 2009, 07:31:10 PM
A good friend of mine still insists that Suzi Quatro and Rick Derringer are one and the same person.  ;D

Have they ever been seen in the same room at the same time?  ;)
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: Chris P. on March 08, 2009, 11:03:37 PM
"Have they ever been seen in the same room at the same time?"

I use that quote daily for the worst comparisons:)
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: uwe on March 09, 2009, 04:51:22 AM
I never fantasized over pics of Herr Derringer - silver boilersuit or not - so that is one difference. In my book.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: uwe on March 09, 2009, 11:04:03 AM
Ze ssssssssliding püp könzept is alifffe and vell ...

(http://www1.gitarrebass.de/magazine/2009/03/168.jpg)

As the Spalt vViper (sic!) (as in windshield wiper when pronounced by Colonel Klink, geddit?) amply efffidences. Nice bass, I must say.
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: Basvarken on March 09, 2009, 11:10:47 AM
But unplayable since there's nothing to put your thumb on 8)

Not true, they have indented the top of the windshield "viper" so you can rest your thumb on it and it is stable enough (says Gitarre & Bass). You would imagine that something with as German a name as Spalt (though Herr Spalt lives in LA I believe) would have thought about an ergonomic detail like that.

Uwe
Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: Barklessdog on March 09, 2009, 11:15:16 AM
HOGAN!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBn0zpORo5c&feature=related
Title: Rrreturrrrn of ze Rrripperrr
Post by: uwe on March 25, 2009, 03:56:33 PM
There it is, straight off the official Gibson site:

(http://www.gibson.com/Files/aaFeaturesImages2009/lrs_ripper-bass.jpg)

If my eyes don't deceive me, it seems the varitone has more than 4 settings ...  :o

It's one of the 2009 Limited Run series together with the Grabber II and, errm, a Tobias Growler, scroll down to see them:

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/introducing-the-2009-325/
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Blazer on March 25, 2009, 04:06:33 PM
I said it before, I'll say it again, those oversized Tuners spoil the looks here, is it really that hard to get the mini clovers that they put on the original?

(http://perso.wanadoo.es/tallent/gear/pics/sale/BG1625.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on March 25, 2009, 05:59:20 PM
What's so much smaller about these tuners?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Blazer on March 25, 2009, 08:02:04 PM
What's so much smaller about these tuners?
(http://www.bass-guitar-museum.com/uploads/bass/9/250147713362-2.jpg)
(http://www.bass-guitar-museum.com/uploads/bass/9/250147713362-6.jpg)
The shafts first and foremost, the clovers themselves aren't sticking out that much as those on the new bass. Also the clovers themselves are smaller. The new Ripper and Grabber appear to have the big Fender style clover tuners instead and I think they make the bass look very cheap.

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e22/guitarman91/Headstocks.jpg)


Title: Re: New 2009(?) Gibson Grabber !! (And perhaps Ripper too?)
Post by: Freuds_Cat on March 25, 2009, 10:55:28 PM
HOGAN!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBn0zpORo5c&feature=related

OK now that was very weird.


I came to this same clip and was watching it just before I checked this thread and saw the exact same Werner Klemperer clip.  I showed my work mate who was watching it with me.  "insert theme to twighlight zone here"
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Chris P. on March 25, 2009, 11:40:51 PM
I always like the looks over the tuners with longer shafts, like on my 50s P. And the difference between the old and new Gibson isn't that big.

I also like the looks of the varitone on the new one.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: barend on March 26, 2009, 02:00:55 AM
Why don't they make the Ripper RI in sunburst? My all time favourite Ripper/Grabber/G3 colour.
The maple one is my least favourite.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: gearHed289 on March 26, 2009, 07:22:09 AM
I said it before, I'll say it again, those oversized Tuners spoil the looks here, is it really that hard to get the mini clovers that they put on the original?

(http://perso.wanadoo.es/tallent/gear/pics/sale/BG1625.jpg)

I gotta agree with Blazer. Same deal as the SG basses. Those tuners just look odd. I also don't like the way the strings don't follow as straight a path from the nut to the tuners on the Grabber. I know, picky picky, but the customer is always right! But, having said that, I'm not really a customer since I won't be buying any of these basses.  :P
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: eb2 on March 26, 2009, 07:40:36 AM
Elephantitis Tuners, no strings through, and "use up what we got" varitone.  Better than nothing. 
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Dave W on March 26, 2009, 09:47:44 AM
"use up what we got" has a long tradition at Gibson.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Barklessdog on March 26, 2009, 10:24:32 AM
Funny, but they would have to remake those Ripper pups. They must still have the tooling for the covers.

The million dollar question on the Ripper is how much?


I can't imagine a $5,000 Ripper???
 :o

Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on March 26, 2009, 10:30:55 AM
I'm positve there are TB Plus pups lurking underneath these covers. It's only make believe ...
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: aluminumcatfish on March 26, 2009, 12:11:56 PM
I guess it would out of the question to make an Alder bodied Ripper.  :sad:
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on March 26, 2009, 12:24:26 PM
Alder is kind of a no-wood for Gibson, they never did much with it except on select models in short phases. Gibson is kind of black and white, either/or in woods: maho or maple.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Dave W on March 26, 2009, 12:47:53 PM
Funny, but they would have to remake those Ripper pups. They must still have the tooling for the covers.

The million dollar question on the Ripper is how much?


I can't imagine a $5,000 Ripper???
 :o



Uwe will be sad if they reproduce the original pickups.

I'm not going to dig back through the thread, but didn't someone post that the street price was $300 more than the Grabber? Something like $2500 vs. $2200?



Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: ramone57 on March 26, 2009, 03:09:14 PM
I'm positve there are TB Plus pups lurking underneath these covers. It's only make believe ...
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on March 26, 2009, 04:28:39 PM
Uwe has said nasty things about the Ripper pups in the past, yes. But people change and so do their tastes. I've grown fond of especially one of my Rippers, the early one from 1973 with the original big(ger) body. It is modified so that one position now has the neck pup in solo mode. Anyway, I like that mapleboarded bass' sound. It sounds natural, with subtle authority and with a lot of wood in the sound. That said, I wouldn't mind if the new Ripper had new pups just for the variety of it, I'm not one who believes reissues should slavishly try to recreate what was state of the art 30 years ago. Had the Ripper been in continuous production through all these years, today's Ripper wouldn't be your father's Ripper either.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Iome on March 27, 2009, 12:45:29 AM
Did they change their mind at Gibson? There's nothing on the page linked by Uwe anymore....
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on March 27, 2009, 03:11:21 AM
No idea where they have stuck it now. The Gibson home site has never made any real sense and the links more often than not do not work for miraculous reasons.

Edit: It's back.

http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/Features/introducing-the-2009-325/


(http://www.gibson.com/Files/aaFeaturesImages2009/limited%20run%20big%20image.png)

But are Tobias basses now honorary Gibsons?  :o Not that I want to appear to(o) biased on these fine instruments ... I guess this is as close as they will ever get to releasing the Continental V.

And that Exholer looks a bit like a halloween pumpkin from afar.



Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Highlander on March 27, 2009, 07:04:21 PM
Tobias'd...? Uwe...?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: godofthunder on March 28, 2009, 08:12:17 PM
"use up what we got" has a long tradition at Gibson.
That's how we ended up with the NR Thunderbirds !
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: ramone57 on March 31, 2009, 05:17:53 AM

the reissue Grabber II


http://www.sweetwater.com/guitargallery/bass/all/s004391403/
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Barklessdog on March 31, 2009, 05:20:24 AM
the reissue Grabber II


http://www.sweetwater.com/guitargallery/bass/all/s004391403/


Whats up with the scratched up pickguard?  The guard it transparent?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on March 31, 2009, 06:34:33 AM
I think that is just protective plastic foil.

That unfinned neck in combination with a set neck construction is strange. Yet alluring.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: ramone57 on March 31, 2009, 06:49:14 AM
so do you have a delivery date, Uwe?   ;D
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: nofi on March 31, 2009, 07:45:21 AM
the 1750 price tag is far from alluring. not  being an expert i don't see many being sold. besides, just think what else you could buy for that kind of money.

everything old is not always good again.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Barklessdog on March 31, 2009, 07:50:31 AM
I think that is just protective plastic foil.

That unfinned neck in combination with a set neck construction is strange. Yet alluring.

Yeah, notice how it looks like the grain is not filled on the body?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Dave W on March 31, 2009, 08:01:53 AM
Yeah, notice how it looks like the grain is not filled on the body?

At first I thought it was just unevenness in the satin paint. After looking again, especially on the edge, I think you may be right.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on March 31, 2009, 10:36:07 AM
According to my music shop, the Grabber II should be with me "within weeks", the new Ripper "in June or July" and the BFG bass "after the other two". We'll see. This forum will be the first to know.

In the above description, the Grabber II is supposedly flat black, that could fit with non-sealed pores and even a see-thru pick guard.

As regards the "not everything old is good"-doubt, Gibson can probably say that the two most successful basses in recent years - SG and TB - are both reissues of shapes that were also the most popular (EB) or iconic (TB) in the sixties. Following these two, the next bass model family that had a larger impact on the market were the Grabber/Ripper/G-3, for Gibson standards, those were popular basses in the seventies, the Grabber quickly outselling the EB-line. So it's not exactly nuts to assume that the Grabber II might find 350 buyers today. And those 350 will scarcely be people comparing the Grabber to Yamaha and Ibanez price lists and what value for money you could get there. Rather they will be seeing this thing more like a Custom Shop instrument, Gibson's modern day homage in better quality to what was once a budget instrument.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 08, 2009, 01:20:02 AM
It has arrived! Might have it as soon as tonight.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/Gibson_GrabberBass_6.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/Gibson_GrabberBass_5.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/Gibson_GrabberBass_4.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/Gibson_GrabberBass_3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/Gibson_GrabberBass_2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/Gibson_GrabberBass_1.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: ramone57 on May 08, 2009, 04:13:42 AM
wow, that was fast!  congrats, Uwe!
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Barklessdog on May 08, 2009, 04:26:23 AM
I will be intersted how that TB pup sounds.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Chris P. on May 08, 2009, 04:30:02 AM
WOW! That looks very good!
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Basvarken on May 08, 2009, 05:04:51 AM
Gratuliere!

Did Gibson "discover" a new way of finishing?
I've been seeing a lot of those matte finish Gibbies lately
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 08, 2009, 05:23:05 AM
It's a way to save money!!! Becomes glossy over time, my Blackbird has by now a nice shiny sweat and grease finish all over. In this case it gives the bass a pleasantly sinister Gene Simmons look, don't you think? It would take Gibson to come up with the idea of making a set neck look like a bolt-on  :rolleyes: one by keeping it natural finned.  ???
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: SKATE RAT on May 08, 2009, 05:39:29 AM
it looks narrower than an old Grabber/Ripper and with more "carve" almost more SG-ish. Uwe, that looks great but i wish they painted the neck too.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Barklessdog on May 08, 2009, 05:41:09 AM
Quote
Blackbird has by now a nice shiny sweat and grease finish all ove

and you poke fun at my RD...
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Chris P. on May 08, 2009, 05:58:50 AM
it looks narrower than an old Grabber/Ripper and with more "carve" almost more SG-ish. Uwe, that looks great but i wish they painted the neck too.

My first thoughts were Gretsch Corvette.


I like the unpainted neck.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Dave W on May 08, 2009, 09:49:48 AM
The body does look narrower.

I like matte finishes if they're done right. This one doesn't look like Gibson's economy model paint jobs, and at that price you wouldn't expect it to.
Title: Not your Father's Grabber ...
Post by: uwe on May 11, 2009, 10:37:55 AM
The body does look narrower, but is not. Same old 9" and then some at the waistline. But it looks deceptively narrower (and better IMHO) because the bass features a lot more bevelling at the cutaways, the top and the bottom. That gives it a much more elegant, almost SGish appearance. Surprising how a little thing like that can so much affect appearance (and in a good way too, this bass doesn't look bulky one bit anymore, even though it is still the same large size).

Sound? All the bite/middish rasp of a vintage Grabber, but with more low ooomph and a trace more treble. No doubt due to a combination of now set neck, the three point bridge (rather than the flimsy Fender-rip-off of the original Grabber) and the force of the TB Plus pup which is quite versatile irrespective whether it sees traditional use in a TBird as a soapie, in an LP Standard as a guitar-size chromeling, in an SG as a faux-mudbucker or now in the Grabber II as "the slider". That said, I was still surprised how dark the bass sounded when I plugged it in considering it is all maple. It's hard to tell from the thick (handicraft-looking, but still appealing) matte finish whether the wood is really maple - that is what the Gibson site states -, to me the bass sounds more like a maho body with a maple neck would, Fenderbird lovers should be in ecstasy at their first listen (or those people who like the Yamaha Attitude sound). The greater sensitiivity/responsiveness of the sliding TB Plus pup also has the pleasant s(l)ide effect that grabbing the pup (the sliding mechanism is a lot more stable/tighter than on your father's Grabber, you need to apply some real force to move it) for a position change has a much greater influence on the sound. The bass is never muddy, but with the pup in frontal position, it does grab your manhood.

All in all, the bass looks, weighs, handles and sounds a lot more substantial than an old Grabber. There is nothing cheap about it - a lovely three piece maple neck with - jawohl! - even a volute!

Two gripes: The route for the truss rod nut is mighty small and you could tell by the appearance of the new nut that already the guy setting it up in Nashville had a hard time getting a grip on it. And the fret job in the upper registers could have seen a little more attention too (and thus enabled a lower action, which is ok now, but not what it could be on a new modern 1.500 buck bass or - for that matter - actually is on a 200 buck Czech one ...  :rolleyes: ).

I do wonder whether Gibson should not reinstate the Grabber to full former glory as a regular series model. This new Grabber II could have real appeal for Stingray and Fender P players looking for a darker and phatter sound. Anybody who likes the ooomph of an old Ripper combined with the snarl of a Grabber should try one out.

Uwe
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Highlander on May 11, 2009, 04:26:38 PM
Uwe makes "sound" deservedly sound like a description for a fine wine...

I bow down before my God...   8)

ps... and I've just finished a rather nice (albeit budget) Merlot...   ;)

pps - Uwe, and the tally now is...?

You do ze counting, Himmel!!! (Something like a 108 with Epis, Orvilles and Kalamazoos included me thinks.)

Gibson EB-1 1953
Gibson EB-2 Banjo Headstock 1959
Gibson EB-0 Double Cutaway Les Paul Junior Body 1959/60
Gibson EB-6 (ES-330/335 Hollowbody) 1961
Gibson EB-0F 1963
Gibson EB-6 (SG Body) 1964
Gibson Reverse Thunderbird II 1964
Gibson Reverse Thunderbird IV 1965
Gibson Non-Reverse Thunderbird II  1966
Gibson Non-Reverse Thunderbird IV 1967
Gibson EB-2D 1967
Gibson Melody Maker EB-0 1967
Gibson EB-2  1968
Gibson Les Paul Recording Bass 1969
Gibson EB-1 Reissue 1969
Gibson Slothead EB-0 1969/70
Gibson Slothead EB-3 1969/70
Gibson Slothead EB-0L (+ 2 TB Plus Pickups) 1969/70
Gibson SB-300 1970-72
Gibson SB-400 1970-72
Gibson EB-0 1970-72
Gibson EB-3L  1972
Gibson EB-4  1970-72
Gibson Singlecut Ripper Prototype 1972-73
Gibson Les Paul Signature 1973-75
Gibson SB-350 1973-75
Gibson SB-450 1973-75
Gibson Les Paul Triumph 1973-75
Gibson Ripper 1974
Gibson Grabber G-1 1974
Gibson L-9S Ripper Fretless 1976
Gibson Thunderbird IV  Bicentennial 1976
Gibson Grabber Fretless 1976
Gibson RD Standard 1977
Gibson G-3 Maple Fretboard 1978
Gibson RD Artist  1979
Gibson Ripper 1981
Gibson Flying V 1981
Gibson Victory Standard 1981
Gibson Victory Standard Fretless 1981
Gibson RD Artist ACB w/CMT 1981
Gibson G-3 Ebony Fretboard 1982
Gibson Victory Custom 1982
Gibson Victory Artist 1982
Gibson Explorer Korina Custom-Built 1982/83
Gibson Explorer Shadow  (Piezo) 1986
Gibson Explorer 1986
Gibson Thunderbird II Japan Limited Edition 1986
Gibson IV Bass 1987
Gibson V Bass 1987
Gibson V Bass w/Kahler Tremolo 1987
Gibson 20/20 1987
Gibson Wayne Charvel Prototype Bass IV String 1987
Gibson Wayne Charvel Prototype Bass V String 1987
Gibson Q-80 1987
Gibson Q-90 Shadow (Piezo) 1988
Gibson Q-90 Combo 1989
Gibson Thunderbird VI One-Off Korina Model built by Phil Jones 1990 (based on discarded 1981 prototype)
Gibson Explorer West Coast Custom Shop?, "early nineties"
Gibson EB-650 1991
Gibson Les Paul Doublecutaway Phil Jones Prototype Fretless 1991
Gibson EB-750 1992
Gibson LPB-1 (passive) 1992
Gibson LPB-1/5 Les Paul Special (5-String) 1993
Gibson LPB-3/Standard 8-string Custom Shop T.M. Stevens signature model 1994
Gibson LPB-2/5 Les Paul Deluxe (5-String) 1995
Gibson LPB-2 Les Paul Deluxe Fretless 1996
Gibson Les Paul Meshell Ndegeocello Prototype 1996
Gibson SG Long Scale Bass (one-off item) 1997
Gibson Thunderbird IV 1997
Gibson Leland Sklar Signature 1998
Gibson AB Super 400 Archtop 1999
Gibson Blackbird Nikki Sixx Signature 2000
Gibson SG-Z Cherry 2000
Gibson SG-Z Ebony with Mudbucker 2001
Gibson Les Paul Custom Shop Bass 2001
Gibson Primavera Custom Shop Bass 2001
Gibson Les Paul Standard "Custom" Bass 2003
Gibson SG Reissue 2005
Gibson Thunderbird Studio 4-String 2005
Gibson Les Paul Doublecut 2005
Gibson Thunderbird Studio 5-String 2006
Gibson Thunderbird IV Gothic - Limited Edition 2006
Gibson "Guitar of the Week" SG Supreme Natural Satin Flametop 2007
Gibson "Guitar of the Week" Les Paul Money Bass 2007
Gibson "Guitar of the Week" Thunderbird IV Zebra Wood 2007
Gibson Les Paul Faded Limited Edition Flat Top Bass Guitar 2007
Gibson "Guitar of the Week" SG Supreme Fireburst Flametop 2007
Gibson "Guitar of the Week" Les Paul Money Natural Satin Flametop 2007
Gibson Thunderbird IV Nikki Sixx Signature Model 2008
Gibson 2009 Limited Run Series Grabber II 2009

Epiphone Newport  1966
Epiphone Embassy 1966
Epiphone Scroll Bass 1976
Epiphone Genesis 1979
Epiphone Thunderbird Non-Reverse 5-String
Epiphone Jack Casady Signature
Epiphone Les Paul Special Prototype (neck-thru, quilted maple top) 1999
Epiphone Elitist EB-3 2003
Epiphone Explorer
Epiphone Allen Woody Rumblekat Signature 2005
Epiphone Gothic Extreme Bass 2005
Epiphone Thunderbird IV Arctic White Limited Edition 2006
Epiphone Ripper Limited Editon Prototype 2006
Epiphone Ripper Limited Editon 2006
Epiphone Nikki Sixx Signature Blackbird 2007

Kalamazoo KB 1 "Made by Gibson" 1967

Orville by Gibson Thunderbird IV 1991


I still think someone should start a little flutter on what will be the hundredth - gotta be something exceptional...

No wind-up Uwe, but what was the outcome re the original Explorer...?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Chris P. on May 11, 2009, 10:56:27 PM
Nice explanation, Uwe. Maybe I find one used once...

Bevelling of the edges sure makes a bass look very different. My big almost slab bodied '76 EB3 looks much larger than my well bevelled SG RI, but it isn't.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Highlander on May 12, 2009, 03:31:06 PM
91+15+1+1... I keep seeing red before my eyes...  ;)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: SKATE RAT on May 12, 2009, 10:17:20 PM
hey, Uwe. do you have cases for all those?  :o
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Chris P. on May 12, 2009, 10:22:44 PM
I guess cases and gigbags. But the most disturbing thing is that he has a black F104 plectrum for every bass! Also for the non-Gibbies...
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Highlander on May 13, 2009, 04:00:51 PM
I thought being eccentric was a British trait...?

I may be wrong, but there is a rumour going round that "black is the new black..."
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 13, 2009, 04:23:25 PM
hey, Uwe. do you have cases for all those?  :o

For about 80 % of them I have cases. I have actually rented space in the office to store my cases there - no joke! :o
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Chris P. on May 13, 2009, 10:45:08 PM
Are the rumours true that you will be buried (50 years from now of course) in a very large Gibson case the CS made you? A friend of a friend of a friend of my butcher's sisters daughters roommate works at a cloth factory and he spoke about a big order of pink lining for an XL Gibson case....
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 13, 2009, 10:52:53 PM
I have acquired a plot of land in Nashville and as we speak my crypt is being erected!
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 13, 2009, 11:02:02 PM
Did I mention that my mahogany coffin will be mounted on rails for forward and backward movement?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Chris P. on May 14, 2009, 12:07:02 AM
Black hardware I suppose? Like the carrying handles?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 14, 2009, 01:35:19 AM
Black hardware, jawohl, made from the finest confiscated Dutch bicycles!
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: barend on May 14, 2009, 01:36:13 AM
Uwe,

since you have them all. What do you think is the best sounding Gibson bass you have?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 14, 2009, 02:44:19 AM
For sheer brute force, warmth, fuzziness and resonant sustain my clownburst gunshot wound slothead EB-0L with two chrome TB Plus pups added to the original mudbucker. That said, the Grabber II that started this thread is a remarkable reissue and certainly among the ten best Gibson models in my collection.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: barend on May 14, 2009, 03:23:39 AM
glad you like your new Grabber.

And which stock (older) Gibson do you think has the best (overall) sound?
I know it is personal but if you put all your biased ideas (everyone has them) aside and look at it as objective as you can?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: ramone57 on May 14, 2009, 03:43:50 AM
and how do you decide which to play??
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 14, 2009, 03:52:55 AM
Hmmh, ignoring looks (which would make the Tbird the winner), I guess it would be the Les Paul Standard in its later passive version or - if you take ergonomics and 24 fret neck into the equation - the LP Doublecut/Mon(k)ey bass.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 14, 2009, 03:55:37 AM
Like with any good harem, I apply a benevolent mix of preference and general equality to my choice of which bass to play. Gnerally, I have three to four of them with me.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on May 14, 2009, 04:55:08 AM
After your post Uwe I went looking and found this very lovely looking beauty.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_YaTFi-Dk22Y/SD2mP-MiaKI/AAAAAAAAAYo/91s4h8pIOqs/s400/04.jpg)

http://picasaweb.google.com/mlody.gniewny/GibsonLPLTD# (http://picasaweb.google.com/mlody.gniewny/GibsonLPLTD#)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on May 14, 2009, 05:52:04 AM
Interestingly they aint that expensive.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-Les-Paul-Money-Bass-NEW-Natural-Finish_W0QQitemZ250423889668QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item3a4e6d4f04&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-Les-Paul-Money-Bass-NEW-Natural-Finish_W0QQitemZ250423889668QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item3a4e6d4f04&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)


Great looking bass. Wish I could get something like that here. The insanity of Customs, import duties, shipping etc would suddenly turn a US$900 bass into a US$2000 bass for me.  Very frustrating sometimes.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Barklessdog on May 14, 2009, 06:02:29 AM
Our Dog feeds on a special Kangaroo & Oats Dog food (has food allergies). It cost a lot $70 for a 40 pound bag.

Guess it works both ways.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 14, 2009, 06:12:20 AM
The Doublecut/Mon(k)ey basses flopped big time, don't ask me why. They were not that prohibitively priced and had favorable reviews in the bass mags. But whenever Gibson comes up with a design that is not a reissue of some fifties or sixties design legend, the public ain't interested. That is why they are churning the Moneys out now, quality isn't the issue. Possibly, the Money sounded too vintage for its modern look or it looked too modern for its vintage sound. The issue was exacerbated with the two GoW versions of the Money, the Midnight Blue and the Natural Satin as these had a walnut tone plate sandwiched between maho body and maple top making them sound hilariously dark and fuzzy for modern standards (and very pleasant to most ears here, but you guys didn't exactly devour them either!).
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Iome on May 14, 2009, 06:23:32 AM
The last Gow money basses went for 599€ new in the stores here, i couldn't believe it, too bad i'm lefthanded otherwise i'd have one now..

Ed. they still have a blue one, plus a Sg supreme natural for 599 and a Zebra Tbird for 1599
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Barklessdog on May 14, 2009, 06:27:48 AM
When I got my Standard I was torn between the two. I went with the standard as it has the toggle switch.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on May 14, 2009, 06:33:08 AM
John, the price of Kangaroo meat has gone through the roof since the drought started 3 years ago.  Its about US$7 a kilo here ATM. Used to be about US$3. The best meat on the planet IMHO. Especially with a big 10 or 12 year old South Aussie Shiraz.  ;)

Still, I currently have a reasonable cash reserve and if that bass was BiN and here in Oz I would probably buy it.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Dave W on May 14, 2009, 06:40:39 AM
I didn't realize there were still Monkey Basses being closed out. Bizarre Guitars was blowing them out at about $700 and that was about 18 months ago. They had already been dropped from the catalog by then. I wonder if Gibson made more or if they just made way too many.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 14, 2009, 06:42:48 AM
I have three and Daniel/Doombass has one, no one else bought one here, right?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: the mojo hobo on May 14, 2009, 07:07:11 AM
I've got a blue one.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 14, 2009, 07:15:48 AM
That's right, I remember your pics, sorry!
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 14, 2009, 09:32:14 AM
All those TB Plus guitar humbucker size pups in chrome and gold (the rootbeer fin Money bass had gold hardware) you see on ebay are IMHO leftovers from the deleted Mon(k)ey series.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Blackbird on May 14, 2009, 03:20:56 PM
I have three and Daniel/Doombass has one, no one else bought one here, right?

I ,too, have a Blue one.

Wifey got it for me on my last Birthday.

These basses are great, I love the sound and the versatility of the various sound you can get.  It gets really snarly with my bass driver.....underrated and great value if you can get one.  Prices seem to be going up a bit after last year's clear out.

It looks hot to boot.

Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on May 14, 2009, 09:21:42 PM
I remember that birthday event too. So that makes six of them in this forum, which is a lot better than, say, the TBird Studios did.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: barend on September 02, 2009, 12:41:53 PM
And the first Grabber II is on the bay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-Grabber-II-Bass-Guitar-Limited-Edition_W0QQitemZ300343330644QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item45eddb8754&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Makes you wonder why he is selling it. Because it sounds awesome telling from the way he desribes it.
Hopefully within a year you can get one of those for 800 bucks or so.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Dave W on September 02, 2009, 02:22:34 PM
Eh. Maybe he just can't bond with it.

But I don't like sellers who say things like "super-rare... and it is totally awesome!!!"  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on September 02, 2009, 03:06:02 PM
It's a no holds barred growly rock bass, not really versatile for other styles, too "furry". If Gene Simmons got one in his hands, he'd drop that Punisher - not a bad bass by any means - subito. Probably the most aggressive Gibson bass ever, even beats the LP Standard in that respect.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: barend on September 03, 2009, 12:39:36 AM
I wish he did. I think his Grabber sound in the beginning period from Kiss is the best sound he ever had. That is the main reason why I like the Grabber, although I never played one.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: SKATE RAT on September 03, 2009, 05:39:55 AM
i hafta admit  the Gene Simmons Punisher is pretty damn cool.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on September 03, 2009, 06:51:04 AM
It's a good bass alright, sounds a bit like a 9 volted TBird plus the upper register access of a Ric. But for all its EMG bite it doesn't have the brutish warmth of a Grabber II. Nothing really has, I was pretty much blown away by it.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: gearHed289 on September 03, 2009, 08:07:22 AM
I wish he did. I think his Grabber sound in the beginning period from Kiss is the best sound he ever had. That is the main reason why I like the Grabber, although I never played one.

I don't know how much, if any, Grabber sound was ever heard on a KISS record. He mostly used the Lobue until he got the Spector. I love his totally distorted live sound from the early days that you can hear loud and clear on what used to be bootlegs, now available on the KISSology DVDs.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on September 03, 2009, 08:25:34 AM
The early (not: earliest) stuff sounds grabberish to me, circa Hotter than Hell/Dressed to Kill/Alive . That said, Simmons sounds like Simmons on any bass he plays (he pretty much plays with the same platform sole stalking feel he walks the stage with as if consciously trying to avoid sounding smooth and nimble) and was never particular about what he played as long as it gave him the sound. Revenge was mostly recorded with some Asian pos budget bass he had obtained in a whimsical mood in NYC. He liked the sound so much, he sent someone out to buy another one, "but it sounded nothing like the first one".
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: barend on September 03, 2009, 01:41:45 PM
I think he played the '75 (Alive!) period mostly on the Grabber, from what I see from the youtube clips.
Gene rules!
Title: Re: Not your Father's Grabber ...
Post by: Freuds_Cat on November 28, 2010, 10:18:57 PM

(http://www2.gibson.com/getdoc/ef7725e0-5a28-41ee-b3d3-b96e73fc1acb/BAG2SECH1-Finish-Shot.aspx)

Sound? All the bite/middish rasp of a vintage Grabber, but with more low ooomph and a trace more treble. No doubt due to a combination of now set neck, the three point bridge (rather than the flimsy Fender-rip-off of the original Grabber) and the force of the TB Plus pup which is quite versatile irrespective whether it sees traditional use in a TBird as a soapie, in an LP Standard as a guitar-size chromeling, in an SG as a faux-mudbucker or now in the Grabber II as "the slider". That said, I was still surprised how dark the bass sounded when I plugged it in considering it is all maple. It's hard to tell from the thick (handicraft-looking, but still appealing) matte finish whether the wood is really maple - that is what the Gibson site states -, to me the bass sounds more like a maho body with a maple neck would, Fenderbird lovers should be in ecstasy at their first listen (or those people who like the Yamaha Attitude sound). The greater sensitiivity/responsiveness of the sliding TB Plus pup also has the pleasant s(l)ide effect that grabbing the pup (the sliding mechanism is a lot more stable/tighter than on your father's Grabber, you need to apply some real force to move it) for a position change has a much greater influence on the sound. The bass is never muddy, but with the pup in frontal position, it does grab your manhood.

Uwe

Finally got to try one of these basses today through a new Ampeg BA115. As usual Uwe's winelovers description of bass sounds is very accurate. Three things regarding the body. 1.The grain that can be seen through the paint job looks like Mahogany or maybe Swamp Ash at a pinch. 2. The sound suggests Mahogany. And 3. The weight is too light IMHO for Maple.

I was really impressed with this bass. Balls, bass & bark. I always considered the sliding pup more a novelty than a serious tool for adjusting sound. I am now a convert. Beautiful to play, lovely neck. I really enjoyed playing it. Couldn't bring myself to fork out Aus$2500 for it though.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: clankenstein on November 28, 2010, 11:48:19 PM
darn that looks good in black.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on November 29, 2010, 05:27:46 AM
Yes, it does. And the three point looks much better than the flimsy Fender-rip-off bridge the originals had.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Pilgrim on November 29, 2010, 08:20:08 AM
Yes, it does. And the three point looks much better than the flimsy Fender-rip-off bridge the originals had.

I want the media alerted that today in this forum, someone actually said something good about the Epi/Gibby 3-point bridge!
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Basvarken on November 29, 2010, 08:38:23 AM
Didn't you notice before that Uwe is a reputed three point bridge defender?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: vates on November 29, 2010, 08:49:22 AM
After your post Uwe I went looking and found this very lovely looking beauty.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_YaTFi-Dk22Y/SD2mP-MiaKI/AAAAAAAAAYo/91s4h8pIOqs/s400/04.jpg)

http://picasaweb.google.com/mlody.gniewny/GibsonLPLTD# (http://picasaweb.google.com/mlody.gniewny/GibsonLPLTD#)


This bass is mine! :) Love it. And it’s the most used one. I’ve made this picture soon after its arrival. It looks a bit mojoed now because it’s being played extensively…
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: TBird1958 on November 29, 2010, 09:02:40 AM
I want the media alerted that today in this forum, someone actually said something good about the Epi/Gibby 3-point bridge!


 I loves a 3 point!

Anything else just doesn't seem right  ;)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Dave W on November 29, 2010, 09:11:22 AM
The two-point gets the brunt of the abuse around here. And it's a perfectly good bridge, it just needs a separate tailpiece which Gibson forgot to include.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Highlander on November 29, 2010, 11:05:29 AM
Would anyone here ever consider changing a two-point on an original 'bird...? 8)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: the mojo hobo on November 29, 2010, 02:41:28 PM
The two point on a bird is OK because they did equip it with a tail piece, but I'm sure there is more than one BA on a bird.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on November 29, 2010, 03:10:40 PM
Real men don't have issues adjusting a three point, girls do.

That satin finish Money bass is nice, dear Antipodean, I like the way you can see the maho/walnut/maple sandwich built. Mine has become toothless over time ...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00005-20100225-1601.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00004-20100331-1348.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00003-20100225-1557.jpg)

Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: TBird1958 on November 29, 2010, 04:08:31 PM
Real men don't have issues adjusting a three point, girls do.


 
It's all in the tool  ;)

The trick is to be as smart as the thing you're trying to operate, gender aside Herr Moderator  ;D
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on November 29, 2010, 04:15:09 PM
Real men don't have issues adjusting a three point, girls do.  

Fräulein Rommel proves it !


That said, what tool do you need for a three point? A mansize screwdriver, nuthin else.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: TBird1958 on November 29, 2010, 04:43:27 PM
 I need a mansize scr....... Ooop!  ;)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: vates on November 30, 2010, 01:52:06 AM
dear Antipodean

I'm not from Oz, Uwe :) I'm only 1838 km (or 1 hour 40 minutes of flight) away from Frankfurt ;)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00005-20100225-1601.jpg)

now that fingerboard looks... healthy
a complete replacement, I assume?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on November 30, 2010, 02:04:11 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/IMG00004-20100331-1348.jpg)

Uwe, I love these basses but for me the knobs look too big on this one.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Basvarken on November 30, 2010, 05:22:41 AM
Those are not knobs. Those are the pralines for the coffee break.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on November 30, 2010, 05:52:10 AM
ahh my mistake Rob  ;D
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on November 30, 2010, 08:08:43 AM
Vates, I'm sooooooo sorry, I messed up on the origins of the posting, I'm sure you are a fine person with a healthily distanced  relationship to mammals delivering wool, I wasn't insinuating anything, I swearn, not even about your ancestors being handpicked by English judges!!!


Those "coffee break sweets" are off my BFG Les Paul (which now has skull knobs). I thought they would bring out the wood character of the satin fin Mon(k)ey even more before your mutual derision tore holes into my heart ...  :-\
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: vates on November 30, 2010, 08:20:00 AM
Uwe, you will be forgiven only in case you'll send an envelope full of that 1st-class weed to my address ;)

Now seriously: is that wild slab of rosewood a custom order or an aftermarket replacement done locally?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on November 30, 2010, 09:20:03 AM
The latter - I felt there was a good fretless sleeping in it and as you can see from the pics I had two (fretted) others. And the satin finish one sounded - finish influences sound? - most resonant so I thought it should be the one. Haven't regretted it.

That said, the satin fin needed a truss rod repair in any case as I had messed up the allen nut (which was barely accessible on mine, the cavity was way too tight for proper adjustment access) in a vain effort to remove it - in utter ignorance that the Money basses are the one and only Gibson bass type with a biflex rod where the nut is one with one of the rods and cannot be removed, duh! So be warned should you attempt something similarly silly!
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Dave W on November 30, 2010, 10:38:11 AM
I still don't understand why that rod was used on the Monkey Bass and no other. Something fishy there. Like maybe these basses were made by someone else to Gibson's specifications.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on November 30, 2010, 05:15:31 PM
Maybe they were attempting something state of the art even though there are people out there who say that a biflex deadens response of a neck. With this bass' not very thick and all-maho to boot neck, there was never any danger at all that it would be too convex (flat) under string pull, so adding a more expensive rod which can do just that is baffling.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on November 30, 2010, 08:13:40 PM


Those "coffee break sweets" are off my BFG Les Paul (which now has skull knobs). I thought they would bring out the wood character of the satin fin Mon(k)ey even more before your mutual derision tore holes into my heart ...  :-\

right idea poorly executed IMO.

I would go with either of these two:

(http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/images/large/PK-3197-0R0.jpg)

(http://www.guitarpartsresource.com/images/large/PK-0198-0R0.jpg)

Like my opinion is even remotely relevent here  ;D :P
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on November 30, 2010, 08:23:11 PM
Vates, I'm sooooooo sorry, I messed up on the origins of the posting, I'm sure you are a fine person with a healthily distanced  relationship to mammals delivering wool, I wasn't insinuating anything, I swearn, not even about your ancestors being handpicked by English judges!!!

Based on the fact that we South Australians were never a penal colony and it was the wealthy English pastoralists who settle here, (before going broke and having mother England bail us out  :rolleyes:)  I feel it beneath me to even comment on such misinformed sideways insinuations.  :P

As for the sheep.........   ;)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on December 01, 2010, 05:40:13 AM
"Based on the fact that we South Australians were never a penal colony and it was the wealthy English pastoralists who settle here, (before going broke and having mother England bail us out  )  I feel it beneath me to even comment on such misinformed sideways insinuations."


Ouch!!!!  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Highlander on December 01, 2010, 04:12:32 PM
As for the sheep.........   ;)

(http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/kjrstewart/random%20stuff/20080816Neil7.jpg) :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: OldManC on December 01, 2010, 05:53:13 PM
Wooley backs?


 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on December 01, 2010, 06:31:06 PM
C'mon Kenny thats the saddest looking Merino I've ever seen  :P  ;D
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: clankenstein on December 01, 2010, 07:22:46 PM
sheep?i know where theres 48 million or so.not too far from where im sitting in fact.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on December 01, 2010, 07:27:35 PM
heh  ;D  I wasn't gonna mention that in terms of sheep NZ is to Australia what Wales is to England.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: clankenstein on December 01, 2010, 07:38:06 PM
we are outnumbered 12 to 1.better not make them angry.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on December 01, 2010, 08:04:12 PM
And the surprise winner is CHINA!


The most recent statistics come from the United Nations Food & Agriculture Organisation, a survey done in 2005.

All numbers are in millions.

People's Republic of China 170.9
Australia 102.7
European Union (15 nation) 99.3
Russia (former Soviet Union) 65.3
India 62.5
Iran 54.0
Sudan 49.0
New Zealand 39.9
United Kingdom 35.3
South Africa 25.3

World Total 1079.0
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on December 02, 2010, 02:37:47 AM
Aussie and NZ sheep are of more benign, docile nature. They bond easily with their masters. I've heard.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on December 02, 2010, 04:56:28 AM
Aussie and NZ sheep are of more benign, docile nature. They bond easily with their masters. I've heard.

hehehehe.... this man has no idea :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: TBird1958 on December 02, 2010, 09:15:36 AM
Aussie and NZ sheep are of more benign, docile nature. They bond easily with their masters. I've heard.


 ;D

Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Dave W on December 02, 2010, 09:41:29 AM
hehehehe.... this man has no idea :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Do the sheep ask, "Are you my daaaad?"
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on December 02, 2010, 10:58:25 AM
Or: "Sssssso do meeeeeeee!"?
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Highlander on December 02, 2010, 11:46:55 AM
C'mon Kenny thats the saddest looking Merino I've ever seen  :P  ;D

He's called Neil and is a pet of the daughter of a place we stay at up on the Island when we visit... his twin brother went "missing" on his first Christmas Eve...

As for looking :sad:, so would you if you had been "modified" (or turned into a "molt" as it is known in the Gaelic...)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on December 02, 2010, 08:58:10 PM

Docile and benign are not words I've heard shearers use :)

Lots of sheep love in this pic
(http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/multimedia/images/full/312313.jpg)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: clankenstein on December 03, 2010, 01:24:23 AM
heres one on the sheep theme from toy love when they toured australia.i cant imagine why they had hostile audiences.[(http://)(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff246/tonypbass/toylove.gif)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Iome on December 03, 2010, 01:33:12 AM


Lots of sheep love in this pic
(http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/multimedia/images/full/312313.jpg)

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 :o WOW, i've never seen such a huge sheep before...or are the guys hobbits?  ;D
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Highlander on December 03, 2010, 02:19:21 PM
(SHEARER content)

Perfect timing for another obscure Aussie brand... (I still have a dice with the brand name on all six sides, nothing else...) :mrgreen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yZYMW8GISg
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on December 04, 2010, 07:42:50 PM
(SHEARER content)

Perfect timing for another obscure Aussie brand... (I still have a dice with the brand name on all six sides, nothing else...) :mrgreen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yZYMW8GISg

Irony alert!   The Japanese own XXXX via a New Zealand Company  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Highlander on December 05, 2010, 01:57:46 PM
Irony...?

There's not much left here that's British...! ;D :sad: ;)

I do remember hearing that away from it's home state/town, it is/was not that popular...
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Aussie Mark on March 08, 2011, 08:07:16 PM
Resurrecting this thread, I just hit the BIN on this.  Seller lives 3 suburbs from me

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=170612669235&si=Rv6kuw8bFCaZxXcaO%252BiPwCB02es%253D&viewitem=

Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Nocturnal on March 08, 2011, 08:34:25 PM
Looks like a good deal Mark!
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Dave W on March 08, 2011, 10:14:49 PM
Excellent deal.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on March 09, 2011, 04:28:34 AM
Gratuliere! A steal. Only possible on prison islands. This will be your favourite bass from now on, simple as that. Your tribute buddies will have to get used to it.

Having played an LP Standard in your younger days of matching shirts, you know how all-out rock a Gibson bass can be, but the Grabber II tops even an LP in sheer no holds barred raucousness.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Freuds_Cat on March 09, 2011, 04:57:54 AM
well done Mark
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on March 10, 2011, 05:48:01 AM
Well ...  :bored: how do you like it, Mark? Let those sheep go for once and tell us!
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Aussie Mark on March 10, 2011, 03:23:38 PM
Well ...  :bored: how do you like it, Mark? Let those sheep go for once and tell us!

I picked it up last night, and smuggled it into the music room for a quick look.  From the 30 seconds I had to check it out without arousing suspicion from the wife I could tell that the action is good, and there are no obvious cosmetic issues. 

The missus is out tonight so I'll get a chance to plug it in and play.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: vates on March 11, 2011, 12:13:19 AM
Quote from: Aussie Mark
without arousing suspicion from the wife

yeah, I hear you :)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Highlander on March 11, 2011, 01:25:42 PM
Jackie's a bookkeeper - I wouldn't have a snowball's chance...

Nice one, but...

 :popcorn: ;)
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: Aussie Mark on March 11, 2011, 10:20:39 PM
Had some play time last night with the new Grabber II.  Wow, that pickup has some growl!  This is the third RI Gibson I've owned now, and I must say they're done a good job with the quality of both this Grabber and the SGs.  That said, I can't imagine paying the full $3000+ retail list price for one of these, no matter how "limited edition" they are.

Very nice bass for sure, and will be a good go-to option for some 70s/80s hair band covers gigs I have coming up.
Title: Re: New 2009 Grabber II and, yes, even the Ripper!
Post by: uwe on March 12, 2011, 03:58:10 AM
For a single pup passive maple bass that recommended list price was never serious - I don't think a single one of them went for that much. And they show up now comparatively cheaply, though yours was an extreme steal. I also believe that it has now been incorporated as a regular model into their bass line (as early as last year) and that the GotM originals which are no different from the standard line have lost rarity as a result.