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Title: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 12, 2008, 10:08:31 AM
Since Tony asked and maybe one or two of you haven't seen it, here's the finished NR.  Scott helped with the pickguard and we're making a correct tailpiece for it, so it will look even better in a few weeks!  This is the bass that I had to create an entirely new headstock for.  The previous owner misplaced the original!   :D

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/60s%20NR%20TB/100_1242.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/60s%20NR%20TB/100_1208.jpg)

More photos at: http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/drbassman/60s%20NR%20TB/
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Barklessdog on January 12, 2008, 10:16:45 AM
I really like the color on this, but the butterscotch maple one is just so much cooler to me.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 12, 2008, 10:22:06 AM
I really like the color on this, but the butterscotch maple one is just so much cooler to me.

The vintage cream from ReRanch is a bit too yellow IMHO, but it's the best there is out there for a faded white look.  I'd prefer it toned down a bit, but it still looks pretty good on a true vintage bass.  I don't have the patience or skill yet to mix my own paint.  Maybe someday I'll go down that road, but I really prefer woodworking to painting anyway!

The see-through butterscotch is a cool color for sure!  Love the way it shows off the grain.  One day I'll use the regular blonde on a bass, I love that whiter wook as well.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: rockinrayduke on January 12, 2008, 10:53:57 AM
Very nice Dr.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Dave W on January 12, 2008, 10:55:08 AM
I don't think I've seen it in nearly-completed form. Very nice!
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: godofthunder on January 12, 2008, 11:23:17 AM
 I was lucky to play this bass ! Bill did a fantastic job. It plays super ! The Seymour Duncan 60's repro pup sounds just like it should. I'm hoping Bill gets bored with this one.  ;)
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Lightyear on January 12, 2008, 11:34:03 AM
This one is just awesome!  I have a thing for the uncluttered purity of a one pickup Bird! :o

You did a fantastic job!

So this is RR Vintage Cream?

Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 12, 2008, 11:57:50 AM
Thanks guys, it took me 9 months to do with work, family and other interruptions.  Yes, this is ReRanch vintage cream nitro.  I'm lazy when it comes to finishing, I did this with 2 can of their spray nitro.  I just can't get all excited about using my compressor and getting a gun.   

I too like the one pup clean look.  This style is a classis for sure.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Basvarken on January 12, 2008, 01:52:41 PM
Stunning!
Congrats.

But is there already some damage in the finish at the tailstop?

cheers, Rob
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: TBird1958 on January 12, 2008, 02:53:20 PM

That's sure looking nice....... Single pup 'Birds rock!
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 12, 2008, 03:03:58 PM
Stunning!
Congrats.

But is there already some damage in the finish at the tailstop?

cheers, Rob

Yes, the paint chipped when I attached the tailpiece.  If you look close you'll see other chips as well.  This paint job is very brittle for some reason and I was pissed when it did this.  After thinking about it, I realized what the heck, the bass is 40 years od and the chips make it look its age anyway!  So, I'm leaving the chips for now.  They add character to what was a perfect paint job!  ;D
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Muzikman7 on January 12, 2008, 03:36:46 PM
I'm glad to see it done, waiting for it was like reading all the way through a book only to find the last chapter missing.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 12, 2008, 04:54:27 PM
I'm glad to see it done, waiting for it was like reading all the way through a book only to find the last chapter missing.

At least it has a happy ending!
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Barklessdog on January 12, 2008, 06:09:06 PM
Quote
This paint job is very brittle for some reason and I was pissed when it did this.  After thinking about it, I realized what the heck, the bass is 40 years do and the chips make it look its age anyway!  So, I'm leaving the chips for now.  They add character to what was a perfect paint job! 

I would warn anyone about Reranch- It's brittle! Both my red non Reverse & White Eb-0 have chipped just by looking at it!

I would never use Reranch if you want something that is even partially durable!

If you want a fast relic job, use Reranch!

Mixed & sprayed Nitro has to fare better. I'm disappointed in the durability of reranch.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 12, 2008, 07:30:12 PM
I would warn anyone about Reranch- It's brittle! Both my red non Reverse & White Eb-0 have chipped just by looking at it!

I would never use Reranch if you want something that is even partially durable!

If you want a fast relic job, use Reranch!

Mixed & sprayed Nitro has to fare better. I'm disappointed in the durability of reranch.

I agree, the next solid color finish I do I'm gonna use automotive acrylic lacquer.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Lightyear on January 12, 2008, 07:49:14 PM
I would warn anyone about Reranch- It's brittle! Both my red non Reverse & White Eb-0 have chipped just by looking at it!

I would never use Reranch if you want something that is even partially durable!

If you want a fast relic job, use Reranch!

Mixed & sprayed Nitro has to fare better. I'm disappointed in the durability of reranch.

I thought (heard) that RR was just McFaddens Nitro that they tint at the loading of the can?  I have done three in RR - my white Pbass and my Red Fbird plus a buddie's seafoam green - all three have held up well but keep in mind I'm gentle on them.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 12, 2008, 08:55:39 PM
I thought (heard) that RR was just McFaddens Nitro that they tint at the loading of the can?  I have done three in RR - my white Pbass and my Red Fbird plus a buddie's seafoam green - all three have held up well but keep in mind I'm gentle on them.

I don't know what it is, but this one is brittle. Not a big deal on a vintage bass IMO.  I too am gentle with my basses, so that doesn't seem to be the problem.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Lightyear on January 13, 2008, 08:59:13 AM
I've read multiple times over at the RR board that MANY people have chipped paint just starting screws.  I've always polished and assembled mine starting on the 30th day - being the impatient type.

Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: godofthunder on January 13, 2008, 09:33:56 AM
 That is disapointing about the finish chipping. I had one Fbird shot at a friends auto body shop, the finish is like armour ! He is shooting another NR body for me right now.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Chris P. on January 13, 2008, 10:30:44 AM
Very nice!
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: rockinrayduke on January 13, 2008, 10:44:38 AM
+1 on body shops.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Dave W on January 13, 2008, 11:25:34 AM
I know nothing personally about the quality of Reranch products but nitro has never been known for its durability.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 13, 2008, 04:23:08 PM
Yeah, I'm giving nitro a rest for awhile.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: gweimer on January 13, 2008, 05:46:10 PM
That is disapointing about the finish chipping. I had one Fbird shot at a friends auto body shop, the finish is like armour ! He is shooting another NR body for me right now.

Of the few attempts of doing my own refins, I was able to use the shop at my father's high school (he was the principal there).  It made things much easier.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 13, 2008, 06:14:01 PM
The nitro on this bass was 5 weeks cured and it still chipped.  Oh well, at least it looks like a 40 year old bass.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Barklessdog on January 14, 2008, 10:43:13 AM
Mines 2 years old and it chipped & not on the crew holes either.

Gibson nitro never chipped like that. I think it's something with the ReRanch rattle can formula.


Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 14, 2008, 01:36:35 PM
Mines 2 years old and it chipped & not on the crew holes either.

Gibson nitro never chipped like that. I think it's something with the ReRanch rattle can formula.




I agree, I find the nitro on my Gibsons pretty sturdy.  I've not had any problems with it.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Barklessdog on January 14, 2008, 01:50:29 PM
Quote
've read multiple times over at the RR board that MANY people have chipped paint just starting screws.  I've always polished and assembled mine starting on the 30th day - being the impatient type.

I had that happen as well. Someone told there is a trick where you pre dent the holes or you something else befor you drill them. I had some major chipping around the bridge studs.

Mine chipped if you bump your bass on something, just slightly.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 14, 2008, 02:00:13 PM
There's no way to say it other than the RR nitro is delicate, if not the most delicate nitro around.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: uwe on January 14, 2008, 03:18:49 PM
Sell the nitro recipe to the Fender and Gibson relic shops!

Love your NR, Herr Doktor, sehr schoen (no Umlauts here, I'm writing on a limey keyboard, but at least I have a desk top so I can see the pics I can never see on my BlackBerry).
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 14, 2008, 03:35:15 PM
Thanks Uwe!  It's probably the only way I'd ever be able to afford one!!!
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: uwe on January 14, 2008, 04:01:48 PM
So what? My TB IV NR is a refinned resurrection too - it had the nastiest neck and body-neck-joint break imaginable, all "repaired" with superglue ... a reall mess. Putting something like that into a playable and viewable state again is saintly.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/Schlachtfest.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/TB1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/TB2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/TB3.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/TBx.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/TB.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DCP_0929.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DCP_2185.jpg)
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 14, 2008, 04:53:37 PM
Oh yeah Uwe, very nice results!  I'm hoping for another NR basket case to come across my path someday.  I'd love to tackle another one!
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Lightyear on January 14, 2008, 05:34:36 PM
There's no way to say it other than the RR nitro is delicate, if not the most delicate nitro around.

If you could use up an entire gallon of McFaddens you could use RR for the colors and overcoat with the McFaddens clear.  This might get you more durable finish.  You could probably shoot two or three dozen basses with a gallon of laquer though - thats a lot of birds.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Barklessdog on January 15, 2008, 04:21:04 AM
Mine was a defretted turd brown refin one that Jake found for me at Capsule Music back when Canadian money got you more. It was $1300 Canadian, which was about $1100 US. They refretted it for $200 US!

No headstock breaks, but was missing the pickup ashtray.

I Reranched it Cardinal red.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/DCP02560.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/DCP02557.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/nonrevbod.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/primer.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/backhole.jpg)






Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Barklessdog on January 15, 2008, 04:23:03 AM
Fertig'd
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/redbird.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/heads.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/nonrcar.jpg)
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 15, 2008, 08:26:53 AM
Yep, that Cardinal Red NR is one of my favorites.  Turned out really nice!
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: doombass on January 15, 2008, 09:09:26 AM
That is one great restoration. I like that cream look. I suppose the size of the pickguard on the non rev's contribute to the better looks with one pickup.
The bridge pickup on a non rev IV looks kind of squeezed in. Uwe's and John's restorations are mighty nice also.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: OVERDRIVEN66 on January 15, 2008, 09:28:13 AM
     Your Bird is truly a 'brought back from the dead' story. I watched the total progress over at the Reranch forum and it really took a lot of skill (not to mention big balls) to pull that off.  We really have a lot of talented people here! BTW, glad you are pleased with the way the pickup sounds.  I'll post a shot of my Frost Blue '67 IV clone as soon as I get my pix swapped over to my new computer.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Barklessdog on January 15, 2008, 10:09:17 AM
Old men need to "tinker"

Welcome aboard Tony!
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 15, 2008, 12:01:28 PM
     Your Bird is truly a 'brought back from the dead' story. I watched the total progress over at the Reranch forum and it really took a lot of skill (not to mention big balls) to pull that off.  We really have a lot of talented people here! BTW, glad you are pleased with the way the pickup sounds.  I'll post a shot of my Frost Blue '67 IV clone as soon as I get my pix swapped over to my new computer.

Yeah, thanks Tony and welcome.  Your cover worked out really well.  The other two I bought from you are at SD now having TB innards installed for my 2003 TB project.  Looking forward to seeing your IV clone!  Stay for awhile, this is gonna be a great place to hang out.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 15, 2008, 03:49:33 PM
That is one great restoration. I like that cream look. I suppose the size of the pickguard on the non rev's contribute to the better looks with one pickup.
The bridge pickup on a non rev IV looks kind of squeezed in. Uwe's and John's restorations are mighty nice also.

I think the pickguard on a NR bass is a big part of its "charm" or attractiveness now.  When it came out it was probably not appreciated as just being too modern or goofy looking.  Now, I look at it and realize it's a great artistic design that really completes the "look."  I love 'em although as a kid inthe 60s I never would have played a Gibson!!! How ironic since now I wouldn't play a Fender!  My how we change!
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 15, 2008, 03:50:50 PM
Old men need to "tinker"

Welcome aboard Tony!

Hey!  Who you calling old!?!  :P
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Dave W on January 15, 2008, 04:57:27 PM
All right, you youngsters!  ;D
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: OVERDRIVEN66 on January 17, 2008, 02:04:43 PM
    I managed to get the shot of the Frost Bird on my avatar but still need to figure out how to post pix on the site.  Actually, I've been into creating 60's Fender bass relics lately. Lotsa fun!  That is until another Bird project comes into my life. The last one I did was a total resto on a '64 IV in Polaris white. Kinda getting the itch to do another Bird.  The one you did was just a tad over my skill level! Once again, INCREDIBLE WORK!!!!   And thanks for the warm welcome!
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Barklessdog on January 17, 2008, 02:08:54 PM
These pictures are what made me fall in love with Non Reverses- they look kind of ugly or odd at first, but you grow to love em

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/articno.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/decobird.jpg)
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: Dave W on January 17, 2008, 02:16:47 PM
Tony, there's only limited size photo uploading directly from your computer to the forum. But you can do it by clicking the Additional Options to the lower left of the posting text box.

Best bet is to get yourself a free Photobucket account and upload your photos there. Each photo will have an IMG URL you can copy and paste directly into your post.
Title: Re: 60s NR TB restoration
Post by: drbassman on January 17, 2008, 04:21:18 PM
Thanks for the kudos Tony, but your bird restoration is a beauty too!