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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: Dave W on February 05, 2008, 10:07:42 AM
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Not bass related but Gibson related: http://www.modernguitars.com/archives/004187.html
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That would mean Happy Birthday to the Explorer and Moderne as well (though I doubt there are many lining up to wish Gumby many happy returns).
(Yes, I know these are the Ibanez versions, but that's the picture I had handy, and Photobucket won't let me get to the others right now ;D)
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Hmmm.....I'm 50 this year too........does that mean I'm what? a classic.... :-X
I love the Moderne!
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Michael with Flying V (and bad perm):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZzZUyD00Fg&feature=related
Rudolf with (Dean) Flying V (and tanks in background):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjb0mld4SpM&feature=related
Ken with Flying V (doing football chants):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3rL2jBHv34&feature=related
Andy with Flying V (and a bassist - even if he's the great Martin T. - with questionable shirt taste):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ5W6T6hU7w
Jim with (Ibanez) Flying V (and housemaid on your knee):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHnDSTSy6N8&feature=related
Jimi with Flying V (you can play the blues with it too):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdQhS1h280I
Wolf on ze Flying V (and zere is anozzer one too, zwei Fliegende V, Himmel!!!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph8kGPXOoUw&feature=related
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Lonnie Mack is the V man. When I first heard Memphis and Wham 45 years ago :o I just couldn't get over that fluid tone he got. But I didn't know what he used until I saw the cover of his first album, and even then I had never seen one and figured it must have been custom made. They were such dogs on the market.
Lonnie and SRV: http://youtube.com/watch?v=rjdbXwD-xnk
Probably not many other L7 fans here (if any), but Donita Sparks is my choice for more recent V rockin': http://youtube.com/watch?v=-EVzM843nGk
V bassists? When Tom Ray was with the Bottle Rockets he used a Warmoth V bass body with a Fender neck.
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Bob Mould played an Ibanez flying V in Husker Du
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Didn't Bob Mould use one of those V2's or something? The one's with the V shaped pickups? Where those V shaped pickups just a gimmick or was there a reason for the shape?
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I know its about Vee's, but Pete Way........Effing Rocks Thunderbirds!..........Nikki who?
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I notice that there are no pics or vids of him pre-Bicentennial era where he plays a TBird. Up to 1975/76 you only see him playing a Fender P. A late convert so to say. Of course, he then went on to become iconic with his TBirds (and the odd Iceman bass). These days he even plays Epis, money from UFO gigs and royalties as well as record company advances are obviously not what they used to be ...
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I meet Pete once when his band Waysted came through town '86-'87 ?. They did a in store at the House of Guitars, I was working there at the time. We hung out and talked bass. Pete gave us all back stage passes for the show, had a great time as I remember ! I belive he he played a ESP Thunderbird I think it was dark metallic blue. On stage we Marshall solid state amps, he didn't think much of them as I recall.I got some vinyl autographed by him, still have it....................... somewhere. Another thing I remember is the singer had one hell of a black eye from the night before, he wore shades the whole time. LMFAO We hung out back stage at the end of the night he and the band were gracious and fun to hang with.
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Now back to our schedualed program- Flying V's
Flying V bass page
http://www.flying-v.ch/81vbass/fb81bass.html
Guitar & basses
http://www.flying-v.ch/gallery/gallery.htm
6 STRING FLYING V BASS one off
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/Large-Flying-V.jpg)
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Ibanez Rocket Roll, Dean DOA 2004 V and Kramer XKB-10:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DSC01257.jpg)
The real (but not very good) thing:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/81vbasswhite1.jpg)
My "modernistic guitar" (or bass) collection. How come ony the V turns fifty and not the Explorer? Did that come out later? I thought they were all designed and released at the time.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/uwehornung/DCP_0921.jpg)
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Look what he was:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-fbC5Y8oBY&feature=related
And what became of him :'( :'( :'( :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vmo_ePVGGI
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=77771
Though he seems to be fine and sobered up again on the current tour. Joining UFO basically as a teenager (he was 16 when he recorded the Scorpions' Lonesome Crow and joined UFO when he was 18) without being able to speak English obviously came at a price - I don't think his disciplined and 7 years older brother Rudolf would have watched him disintegrate in the Scorpions like Mogg and Way did in UFO -, but of course he must have had some demons in him before.
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How does the Dean compare with the other V's?
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How does the Dean compare with the other V's?
Reasonably well: More authority than the Gibson (especially in neck pup solo mode) and more bite than the Ibanez. Action and high register accessability of the double octave neck is a dream. With the gain of the SVT up high, you can get a barky sound with the (probably) EMG passive pups and the (rather non-descript) active circuit that wouldn't leave a TBird player too unhappy.
The Kramer is a beast of its own: That alu neck is so sound-determining, the bolt on body doesn't play much of a role.
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Happy Birthday V! (and gumby too, dammit)
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/eddieMGumby.jpg)
Here's a couple more Vees in action - w/ Cornelius, and Ash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8SaSFneQw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I6ohbwb8vo
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I'd almost forgotten that at one time I owned an Ibanez V bass......it had a log for a neck! I sold it without any regerets after having it maybe 3 months, this was around 1977 I guess. And Uwe's Kramer brings back memories of mine as well.......It was really cool looking; Factory painted alternating black and white chevrons......Somewhere I have a fuzzy polaroid of it. That bass redefined the term "neck dive", if you let go of it for the briefest moment........wham! the headstock was hitting my foot.
That bass reminded me of a quote from W.C. Fields about women and elephants "They're nice to look at but you really don't want to own them".
Pretty as it was I don't really miss it.
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More V's. Uwe's fellow countrymen, but I wonder what the guy with bathing pants and RC Airplane has to do with this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwKQi7HB_Gw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwKQi7HB_Gw)
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Accept always sound like a poor man's version of Judas Priest - minus all musicality. Or as one writer once wrote about KISS: "They sound like a hardrock band must sound to someone who doesn't like hardrock." :D
We forgot Lenny btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_dnWWnKCTk
My son, 13 1/2, played this riff for literally hours on end for weeks ::) until he finally got it right with his triple pup faded Flying V. I saw him play it with his school band only recently (he's got it down pat by now plus, of course, Lenny's moves :D) and, in fine Ritchie Blackmore tradition for which I must bear some responsibility, he was louder than the rest of the band put together (two singers, bassist, rhythm guitarist, drummer and percussionist). I had a parental word with him afterwards. ;D
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I was always captivated by this monster V
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/76_12_hot20tuna_01.jpg)
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My "modernistic guitar" (or bass) collection. How come ony the V turns fifty and not the Explorer? Did that come out later? I thought they were all designed and released at the time.
Not sure if the Explorer was released at the exact same time, but it was released in 1958. Not sure why this article was only about the V.
BTW, I have played a couple of Kramer Vs, they sounded thin and trebly to me.
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My kramer sounded middish with rough treble and not that much bass when it still had that Schaller pup emulating a DiMarzio G pup. I got talked into ::) equipping it with two EMGs - ok, this was 1983! - and that changed the sound drastically. Now it is all sublows and clear treble, but not much mids. But it holds its ground. Will actually play it tonight at the rehearsal.
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Yeah, the ones I played both had the Schaller.
In some cases EMGs overwhelm whatever character the bass has. But nothing wrong with them in the right bass.
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I was always captivated by this monster V
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/76_12_hot20tuna_01.jpg)
WHOAA! what is this? looks like a T-bird neck & Hagstrom pups? weird.
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WHOAA! what is this? looks like a T-bird neck & Hagstrom pups? weird.
I've seen that bass before, but don't know too much about it, or how it was built. Looks like it has an old Guild Jetstar neck:
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k125/0chromium0/forums/guild/fabb_3.jpg)
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The headstock looks right.
If I remember Fred Hammon, resident JC nut, said the bass was custom made by Guild for Jack in his Hot Tuna days?
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I'm lovin' the white Epi V made lefty that I recently acquired.
She rests nicely into the arm of my desk chair...
Like right now!
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[(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff246/tonypbass/jimisflyingvandme.jpg)]. jimis flying v -well i know its not a bass but it was fun being let loose in the vault with all them there geetars. i was recording a documentary about the hard rock cafe at the time.the flying v is well set up and nice to play.
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The Explorer and V are the same age - same time, same catalog. Technically the Moderne as well, according to the patents. But they gave up in the gestation period.
I remember the guy from the Cars playing an Ibanez V bass.
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He was a pretty good bass player as I remember, Peter Orr?
I know he passed away a while ago. The Cars songs had some nice bass work.
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benjamin orr?
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What? All this flying V talk and nobody mentions the guy who was the very first Flying V master?
Bow to the King!
(http://www.john-meekings.co.uk/anelson.gif)
Albert King could smoke all of those guys with his amp on stand by.
And to show you guys that he could back up that thing I just said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qplN4pm1MSE
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NAMM 2008 pic from the Dean booth, double neck with 12 string (more a Flying "W" now!) and Schenker model ...
(http://www.musik-schmidt.de/osc-schmidt/catalog/images/htmlarea/namm_dean_hoch)
(http://www.musik-schmidt.de/osc-schmidt/catalog/images/htmlarea/namm_dean_schenker_hoch.jpg)
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I'm not a big fan of the Dean Headstock. I like Gibsons Devil tail better
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True, I guess they wanted to do something different. And in theory, the smaller mirror image of the body as a headstock is a nice design idea, but the end result lacks elegance.
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Where it really works is with the new reverse V, which I see they borrowed from the Dean girls
http://www.gibson.com/promotions/reverseflyingv/features.html
I still like the reverse V, I know some find it hideous but it reminds me of this stolen/borrowed German WWII idea-
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/misc/DI98G4.jpg)
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Good point, Gibson got back at Dean and swiped their headstock!
But do you really think the, errrm, "legwork" of the female Dean PR employees was the design inspiration behind all this?
John Fertig, you truly have a one track mind. :-\
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What? All this flying V talk and nobody mentions the guy who was the very first Flying V master?
Bow to the King!
(http://www.john-meekings.co.uk/anelson.gif)
Albert King could smoke all of those guys with his amp on stand by.
And to show you guys that he could back up that thing I just said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qplN4pm1MSE
Nice brittle tone with a bit of a Tele twang to it. I've read from V players again and again that they prefer it over a Les Paul because an LP sounds just too phat and clutters everything, especially rhythm work and where there are two guitars playing constantly.
Why did no one ever teach Gary Moore that he could use his pinky too? He does fret a note with it once in a while, but more as an afterthought. Speaking of guitar heroes, I think the all fingers fret technique of, say, Messrs Blackmore and Schenker looks so much more elegant.
Uwe
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I believe Albert's brittle tone had a lot to do with his choices in amps, which were typically the antithesis of BLOOZE lock-step. He used to gig with acoustic bass amps, and almost always used solid state rigs.
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Where it really works is with the new reverse V, which I see they borrowed from the Dean girls
http://www.gibson.com/promotions/reverseflyingv/features.html
I still like the reverse V, I know some find it hideous but it reminds me of this stolen/borrowed German WWII idea-
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/misc/DI98G4.jpg)
Let's seen the Americans hired the best german engineers after the war so it's neither borrowed nor stolen.
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I believe Albert's brittle tone had a lot to do with his choices in amps, which were typically the antithesis of BLOOZE lock-step. He used to gig with acoustic bass amps, and almost always used solid state rigs.
Yeah but check him out on THIS occasion...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsMLOejH0
Now there's some SERIOUS searing tone he got from a Roland Jazz Chorus.
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Still sounds pretty twangy for a Gibson, IMHO. Not bad, just surprisingly twangy.
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Speaking of budding Flying V guitarists: This young man here is my son, not bad for half a year, huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiErbB76-lk
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Pretty impressive. I just wonder why Dad got him a Gibson instead of a Fender. :P
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And here's a blast from the past: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llJG6pHhuBY
Some of you may remember that I posted this at DP3 because of Carson Van Osten's EB-0 -- and because I always liked the song. But let's not forget Todd Rundgren's Flying V.
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We can't forget Lonnie Mack!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjdbXwD-xnk
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Pretty impressive. I just wonder why Dad got him a Gibson instead of a Fender. :P
How you misjudge me! Dad took son to guitarshop and let him play various guitars (Tele, which he didn't like, Les Paul Studio, SG Faded, Strat and only eventually the Flying V). If truth be told I thought he sounded best on the Strat initially and he was kind of torn between the Strat and the Les Paul. When we were just about to leave, still undecided about what Christmas purchase to make, he saw the triple pup faded Flying V hanging on the wall and wanted to give that a try ... he felt immediately at home on it and loved the - Dad's genes I guess :-[ - upper register accessability it has. I thought it sounded great right from the start, creamy and full of sustain, but not as massive as the Les Paul especially as regards rhythm work (you don't see a lot of LP players as rhythm guitarists, I think there is a reason for that). Thinking that this kid will now go through a few years of overplaying rather than underplaying, I felt his present and future band mates would appreciate it if he played with a sound that left a little more room for them!
Uwe
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We can't forget Lonnie Mack!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjdbXwD-xnk
I wonder if his brittle tone has to do with the Bigsby? That thing has never been noted as a sustain giver.
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Brittle? Doesn't sound brittle to me, or lacking in sustain. Maybe my hearing of it is colored by his original hit recordings.
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It just sounds twangy to me, not in a bad way. But with my eyes closed I'd never dream think this was a V, my guess would be a Tele. That's because my hearing is impaired by all those Flying V hard rock guitarists that have fed their axe through 50 and 100 watt Marshalls! What did you say again? :D :D
Uwe
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Our guitarist has one that comes out sometimes and sometimes happened Saturday for a few tunes.
The primary thing we both notice about them(the 1960's ones), besides the Andy Powell WB-Ash sound, is the ease at which they provide a ghostly-sounding and controllable feedback.
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Yes, I notice that on my son's faded V too, very susceptible to feedback, but in a good, controllable and musical way. Probably has something to do with those elongated mahogany body wings and their tendency to vibrate.
Uwe
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That reminds me of a university audio science experiment from a few years ago that was partially funded by Gibson. I don't know if it's still online, but they studied vibration modes in some guitars and the V (and maybe Explorer) had noticeably different patterns from a Les Paul shape.
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I was always captivated by this monster V
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/Fenderbird/76_12_hot20tuna_01.jpg)
I love that bass. It reminds me of this mid 70s number that was featured in guitar player adverts. Never really found out what it is
(http://www.gibsonbass.com/graphics/GPgiveaway.jpg)
(http://www.gibsonbass.com/graphics/GPgiveaway2.jpg)