someone probably cares.
Seemingly not a massive surprise to those that knew of him. I don't really know Stone Temple Pilots at all, and only know about Velvet Revolver as they were the band to listen to when I was in high school. Always sad when a musician dies before his time.
I always thought he styled himself on Iggy... rip...
I really liked Core & Purple by STP.
Honestly, I expected to hear this news about 15 years ago.
iggy who ? not pop i'm sure.
I always regret hearing about someone who dies before his time. Too bad.
I'm not familiar with Stone Temple Pilots, but on the way home I heard a DJ say mention the death, and he played a number of theirs he said was his favorite. I thought it was awful, not melodic and not very musical. I turned it off.
Maybe I'll spot-check some of his other stuff tomorrow.
its not before your time if heavy drug and alcohol abuse is involved. just stupid.
I listened to some of their top stuff and it was better than the cut I heard on the radio, but nothing that appealed to me. Maybe I'm just that much more fond of more directly blues-derived stuff.
I can regret the early loss of the gent without missing the music.
I saw him with Velvet Revolver. Was one of the worst rock concerts I have ever seen.
Very weak vocal performance. And Slash looked (and sounded) like a parody of himself.
Weiland with STP was a bit too Pearl Jam-ish for me back in the day.
I can appreciate it better these days.
As unsurprised as I was when I heard the news, I was still kind of bummed. Being the complete opposite of a Pearl Jam fan when STP hit, I didn't get hung up on the comparisons and have always liked Scott's voice and offbeat style. There's a little Iggy in there and a little Bowie too, but I never thought the "rip off" charge was fair. Artistic ability is in the ears and eyes of the beholder, but I think Weiland was a talented artist whose abilities may have been goosed by his lifestyle, but were eventually hampered by it. I'm not an addict so I'm not going to pass judgment on his choices (and I'm not saying anyone else did here), but I feel sorry for his wife and children, and I do feel sorry for him. Personally, I think STP were a far different band than the genre they got labeled with (and a better band than those they were lumped in with), and Weiland went a long way toward making them who they were.
I've lost three family members to addictions. Some people are just wired that way.
Too bad Weiland's demons got the better of him.
RIP
One (inlaw) nephew to methodone... two sister-in-laws and a cousin to alcohol abuse... a couple of uncles (mum and dad's only brothers) to whisky... my wife's (USofA) dad went that way too...
No one here needs to discuss addiction with any of us... any collector is an addict... we just call is GAS...
I'm a fan of the music, and sad but not surprised Scott's gone.
RIP.
I enjoyed some of STP's music. some of VR's, and liked what I heard off the newer album with the Wildabouts. I never thought STP fit the grunge label but that happens to a lot of bands. The death is not a surprise to me, more that it didn't happen sooner. RIP Scott.
I was sorry to hear this. Never a deep fan, I don't know the album tracks, but I thought STP sounded really good when they got away from the grunge thing. Glam suited him better I think. (Their bassist was always pretty good, come to think of it.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0gAxuvo5rc
And I really liked when Weiland went solo and indulged his love for Bowie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmjNkyCxmTM
I saw him with Velvet Revolver two or three gigs before he left (he had already internally announced he would). Communication between him and the band was zero that night in Cologne, instead he relegated the other four Velvet Revolvers to his backing band by giving a stellar, charismatic solo performance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euvTIo7L8lw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MxI9wAmogc
Screechy Axl might have the technical superior voice and we all know that G'n'R reunion is inevitably going to happen (last I heard, Axl and Slash were sharing studio space), but - George's term is perfect - I liked the "offbeatness" of Weiland's vocals and vocal melodies. Like Ian Gillan (or David Bowie) he wouldn't sing what you would expect.
Of course he had asked for it for a (long) while (repeated assertions how he had become clean for his family and kids notwithstanding). Rob and I spoke about it on our way to Utrecht to see health-conscious David Coverdale and Rob really hit the nail on the head with his comment that Weiland wasn't so much a rock singer turned junkie, but a junkie turned rock singer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrXyzGvpuxA
Sad. Doubly sad for his family. :sad: And that is one disturbing vid for Missing Cleveland.
Did I say that? Can't remember that at all... and I wasn't even drunk ???
If they'll ever do a biopic of him,
(http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/story/scott-weilands-near-salvation-velvet-revolver-martial-arts-and-money-20110513/square.jpg)
I'd cast Michael Fassbender for it.
(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/michael-fassbender.jpg)
This bummed me out. Even if I never was a huge fan of his bands, I admired the guy. He worshiped Bowie, who worshiped Iggy, so there's that. In hindsight, it's a shame STP got lumped in with the Seattle grunge, when in fact they were aping Zeppelin more than anything. I'll copy and paste what I posted on facebook:
Rest in peace Weiland. I know it's easy for people to say "he was a druggie, he had it coming". And I'll admit to having been one of those people before. But addiction is a mental illness. Yes, these people choose to start on the shit at first. But it changes the brain. It robs you of your soul. I've had a number of people I cared for greatly taken away from me by it. And I now have a greater understanding and compassion for those affected by mental illness. Scott was an awesome singer and a stellar frontman. He will be missed.
Well if this isn't very much alike Pearl Jam, I don't know what is...
For years I thought this was a PJ song... :sad: I only found out a couple of years ago it was STP :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5UOC0C0x8Q
I find it more Alice in Chainsy*** (with less heavy guitars) than Pearl Jammy, but it's a moot point, they all had similar influences (and influenced each other in the early nineties).
That's an EB-2!! (Posted on your behalf in the Gibson forum already.)
***Ever the chameleon, Weiland in the Plush vid even looks a bit like Layne Staley (another unfortunate addiction death)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nco_kh8xJDs
Note to self: Kurt, Layne, Scott ... grunge singers die young. Eddie Vedder and Chris Cornell should take good care of themselves (which they seemingly and hopefully do). Makes you wonder whether it's depressed souls making the music or whether the music depresses in the long run. :-\
Well the chameleon in him could do a quite convincing Jim Morrison too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzVgIop0f0Y
And so could Eddie...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfljH8mfJp8
This was pretty revealing. A familiar story for many people I'm sure... but I've never experienced much in the way of drugs, so it's only when somebody can articulate it like this that I feel like I can get a glimmer of what kind of hell it can become. Sad that the optimism of the end of this article (from 2005) proved temporary.
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/music/news/a40198/scott-weiland-interview/
I always thought he was one of the best vocalists rock had to offer. He had a way of weaving into the songs of STP like a singer should. Even that band hinted of the burden that came with that talent. Here's another interesting read from his ex-wife.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/scott-weiland-s-family-dont-glorify-this-tragedy-20151207?page=2 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/scott-weiland-s-family-dont-glorify-this-tragedy-20151207?page=2)
Quote from: Basvarken on December 07, 2015, 02:13:04 PM
Well the chameleon in him could do a quite convincing Jim Morrison too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzVgIop0f0Y
And so could Eddie...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfljH8mfJp8
They both do it well, but, man, Weiland really nails that Morrison vibe (slightly off notes and all)! The older I get, the more I like The Doors. I even enjoyed listening to Other Voices (the first Dooremnants album after his death) recently and thought to myself what compositonally a great (complete) Doors album that could have been if he had been around to sing it.
I can't believe that Ray Manzarek really has incense sticks on his keyboard in that first vid. :mrgreen:
Quote from: gweimer on December 08, 2015, 04:09:31 AM
I always thought he was one of the best vocalists rock had to offer. He had a way of weaving into the songs of STP like a singer should. Even that band hinted of the burden that came with that talent. Here's another interesting read from his ex-wife.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/scott-weiland-s-family-dont-glorify-this-tragedy-20151207?page=2 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/scott-weiland-s-family-dont-glorify-this-tragedy-20151207?page=2)
That's a tough read. Some people just never grow up and assume - however shakily - responsibility. On the other hand you could ask the question whether you can actually mary someone like Weiland, have two children with him and expect him to be even a semblance of a dad and husband. (
Edit: To be fair, Mary was 16 when she got to know him and must have been in her mid-20ies - by then a cleaned-up ex-addict and she stayed clean - when she had her first child - his son, now 15 - with him.)
I find this quote from his Esquire interview very telling:
"My stepfather was the complete opposite of my dad. He was a corporate guy at TRW. He'd played football at Notre Dame and then got his master's degree at USC in aeronautical engineering. His favorite group was the Kingston Trio. If I were to sum up my stepfather in one word, the word would be responsible. That word was always coming out of his mouth: "You have to be responsible, Scott." "Scott, you have to be responsible." Responsible, responsible, responsible. And he was responsible. I think that's what attracted my mom to him in the first place."And this here:
"You want to kick. But in a sense, kicking to me was always just kind of a way to prepare your body to be able to experience that first fix again. I mean, there are always those noble intentions in the beginning, but ultimately that's all it ever was...back then, at least. Back then it was, like, too little too late, you know, a little half-assed pass at getting clean, always at the request of others, at the request of family members, the manager, whoever. At some point it just becomes, you know, how to get them off your back. Because I never wanted to quit. Never. I saw narcotics as something I needed in order to function. I believed at the time that I was born with a chemical deficiency. Which I was. I was totally correct. But at the time, I believed I was born with this particular chemical deficiency that only opiates could fulfill. My basic thought was: How the hell can all you people want to keep me away from the one particular medicine that could keep me from blowing my head off?"Junkie alright. :-\
Quote from: uwe on December 08, 2015, 06:01:14 AM
They both do it well, but, man, Weiland really nails that Morrison vibe (slightly off notes and all)! The older I get, the more I like The Doors. I even enjoyed listening to Other Voices (the first Dooremnants album after his death) recently and thought to myself what compositonally a great (complete) Doors album that could have been if he had been around to sing it.
I can't believe that Ray Manzarek really has incense sticks on his keyboard in that first vid. :mrgreen:
Man, I REALLY like that first video. I agree, Weiland nailed it - and that performance raises him considerably in my estimation.
When Manzarek kicks in that Fender keyboard bass riff, the hair tries to stand up on the back of my neck. LOVE it!
Whereas the keyboard sound in that second video (with Eddie Vedder) is awful...
Yes, there's a world of difference - and Ray was on keys both times. Terrible sound mixing.
The difference is simple: He plays different keyboards in Vid 1 and Vid 2! Vid 1 is what looks like a vintage organ plus what looks like some analog monophonic synth (but might be a shortened keyboard for other purposes, I'm no keyboard expert), Vid 2 has some modern day digital synth trying to emulate those sounds. And that is what you hear: an emulation, ok on its own, but when compared to the original sounds it has none of the depth, warmth and oohmph. To be fair: Vid 2 is seven years earlier, we all know how much digital sounds can improve, that's at least two keyboard generations. So it's probably fair to assume that a digital reproduction of Manzarek's organ (the one with the keys!) would have sounded quite a bit better in 2000 than it did it in 1993. A lot happened in the intervening years. When the DX7 came out, I thought it was the most amazing thing, a couple of years later those orignal DX7 sounds appeared kind of naff, we were all spoiled along the way by sonic improvements.
But in the end it's what Jon Lord said about digital Hammond emulations: "They sound so much better today than they used to. But only as long as you don't play them side by side with the real thing."
duh! :mrgreen: