https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fam8cJw-IVg#t=158
Nothing new and the nod to James Brown is obvious, but they play with fire. In their suits and all they managed to survive as the opening act of AC/DC on their European tour, I guess that is saying something.
Rob will probably love them.
what's not to like. these guys rock like nobody's business!
Quote from: uwe on August 18, 2015, 08:06:20 AM
but they play with fire.
Ah, well ....... that's been done before ........ it may cost them a leg over time ...... ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Nwh2GqQ_A
Saw them at the AC/DC gig, they worked hard to catch the audience and they succeed. The singer even did stage jump. Nice performance.
My friend, who didn't know them, defined them as "a pleasant sounding group", i think that's exactly what they are.
You know me pretty well Uwe! I do like them indeed. :)
Perfect combination of Soul, Rock and Blues as far as I'm concerned.
I like their version of this Ike & Tina song too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eipXthVqu_4
sounds like paul rogers now and again.
I like them. They turn up now and then on a Spotify station I listen to called "dirty rock".
I agree, what's not to like! They Rock it!
The soul component comes out more on this stuff here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pDr7cQgTHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8IarWJSaLY
Wow, I love them!
Great band. They're the real deal.
Really good...
And oh bugger, that was a London gig... :o
OK these boys can play, but there's no middle ground. They either rock or smooch. I'd like to hear some ol' fashioned Rock n' Soul ( Rhinoceros style ) in a modern day setting .........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBOgzrnMkXU&list=PL8a8cutYP7fpipwgPUEtypKc7j-n-pxe0
They supported The Who some years ago in Holland and I loved them. I already had them on my radar at that time, but seeing them live was great. They really packed in the 17.500 people crowd!! I'm jealous of his quick pirouettes, dance moves and checked '70s suit! The guy is a modern James Brown, Otis Redding, Sam & Dave... And the band is great with suits and all. Everything is perfect, without being too perfect.
The highlight was when he went in to the public with his microphone. It took three roadies to help him with the microphone lead which was like 30 meters (that's about 90, 100 foot for you Americans). I'm 450% sure his mic was a wireless one with the big battery compartment at the end, but how nice is it to have this fake lead and have all those roadies help you in Buddy Guy at the Festival Express style!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Side remark: It's always beneficial for a group sound if there is a black guy in a white group or vice versa. I know it's stereotyping (or is it diversity?), but every complexion (with its cultural background) does generally something particularly well. Mothers Finest were an archexample for that - in their various eras they had great all-black line-ups, but they sounded best in my ears with their original white guitarist and white drummer (plus that brilliant jazzy black keyboard player they had).
True. It worked well for Ike & Tina too.
And this band is another fine example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQKsKbXN1A4
Tina is on record for saying that she wants white musicians for that "white rock'n'roll feel" which "black players can't capture because it always sounds like they are playing the Blues". Now that statement was divisive at the time (sometime late 80ies I believe), today in the internet age it would just go ballistic on her and give her a shit tsunami.
Am I being uncool if I admit that the first black player I really noticed in a white group was Floyd Sneed (great name!) in Three Dog Night?
(http://www.floydsneed.net/FloydTDNDrums1.jpg)
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On all those publicity pics he just stood out - in a good way. And I always liked Three Dog Night's groove. I only learned now that he's Canadian.
I just lied. I was even more uncool than that: Here's the first black guy I noticed in a (predominantly) white group (who spots the later Uriah Heep singer?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F74kH7m0ZjI
There are plenty examples of succesful multi-racial bands
Allman Brothers
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Sly & the Family Stone
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Jimi Hendrix Experience
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/88669fd3b9c73f842001f92abb53d91b/tumblr_nrrsdtMfQn1rldhmro2_1280.jpg)
etc etc
Of course. Sly & the Family Stone were lightyears ahead of anyone.
I didn't want to name The Jimi Hendrix Experience for fear of starting another "Who was better, The Experience or The Band of Gypsies?" plus "Could Noel Redding really play bass?" suada!!! IMHO: Jimi was as much a visual as a musical phenomenon and in the former, the "black cat fronting a white outfit" was a key component. I have no opinion on which backing band line up played better, they were just different. I believed for decades that the chromatic walking bass line in Hey Joe were Noel's, so don't ruin my tried and trusted convictions today!!!
Now you've started it yourself... ???
for distraction I'll just post some more... ;D
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Those JHE vs. BOG debates are seriously some of the most vicious and bitter I've ever seen on music forums. People get really bitter and uncompromising fairly quickly. Unless someone says something totally inaccurate, absurd and ridiculous, I try to stay out of them now. Besides that, it really isn't an either/or issue. Both sides have valid points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmTkBB5yxr0
I realize Prince has plenty of detractors, but for my money, this was a hell of a performance by a hell of a (mixed) band:
first ever performance of Purple Rain (http://www.mojvideo.com/video-purple-rain/be184bd99022fba24544)
It takes a while to get going, but it's essentially the same recording that ended up on the album (with lots of edits and string overdubs).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJqk2yWUGTM
I liked it. Have to listen to some more stuff. Maybe I'll buy the record...CD...MP3...Steal it from YouTube :)
As for integrated bands... Duh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsc4u4-8Nns
And duh again ......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xDzizOqCJk
Quote from: Dave W on August 20, 2015, 03:34:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmTkBB5yxr0
Love were magic, but I only learned about them via this unlikely cover here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzU2gWzcdCo
Quote from: uwe on August 21, 2015, 05:01:43 AM
Love were magic
Amen brother ! I was
so pissed when Arthur Lee & Love played Rotterdam ( some 13 years ago ) on the Forever Changes tour and I only learned they had a day after the fact.
Did that with Grand Funk playing London in '74, and with Alice playing London in '72, but being to far for the younger me to travel, and then them playing Glasgow in '73 but not London...!
Somewhat disgruntled to be in Scotland circa '77 when Doobies/Black Oak did a double header in London, and got back to discover the next gig was Glasgow... AAAAARRRRGHHHHHHHHH...!!!
Oh, and going to a drinking buddies younger brother's birthday bash and giving away a ticket to the first Blizzard of Oz tour... so never got to see Rhoads... rip...
Rick James
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Funk Brothers
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Muscle Shoals Swampers
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To go back even further, Big Al Downing & the Poe Kats; he was also Wanda Jackson's pianist and the only nonwhite member of that band.
Then there's the Del-Vikings.
And the DelTones?
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Rick James with 2/5ths of Buffalo
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Quote from: Pilgrim on August 21, 2015, 03:57:16 PM
And the DelTones?
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Help me, where's the black guy? Or is this another case of TV yellow or something ...
Sorry, wrong theme. Mea culpa.
The first time I ever played rock and roll in front of a crowd was at a dormitory party in boarding school in my tenth grade. The band consisted of me, a son of an Israeli Sephardic immigrant father and an Ashkenazi Jewish mother on bass, the lead guitarist's father was from Cameroon and his mother was African American, the drummer was an international American student from Saudi Arabia who was half Chinese and half Caucasian and the lead singer/ guitar player was Japanese American. Race was the last things on our minds. We were more concerned with playing a good set. We pulled it off very well and the crowd wanted more in fact but we had already played everything we learned. I think it was a couple Hendrix songs, a Blues Traveler song called Mountain Cry and maybe Alive by Pearl Jam. The looks I got from an upper class coed who I thought was cute are part of the reason I'm still hooked on playing till this day.
Quote from: 4stringer77 on August 22, 2015, 12:50:54 PM
The looks I got from an upper class coed who I thought was cute are part of the reason I'm still hooked on playing till this day.
Still hoping for a second time eh ? ;D
Nope, not from her at least. She's probably about 40 by now :P
What's so bad about that? ???
Quote from: 4stringer77 on August 23, 2015, 01:55:46 PM
Nope, not from her at least. She's probably about 40 by now :P
Wish I was..............
about 40 :-\
Last I heard he is way above 40!
I thought his batting average would be welllll over 40 by now, with all those bunnies running round the ranch...
Maybe he follows the view that you're only as young as you feel... :vader:
Please quote Groucho M. correctly: "... young as the woman you feel".
Inaccuracies, don't you just hate them.
Well, I just went and bought both Vintage Trouble CDs (the second one was released just last week). Thanks for turning me onto these guys!
This forum has been a treasure island of inspiration for my CD collection here too!
The new VT is bound to do well, better songwriting and more soul ballads, it will make commercial inroads.
Don't forget these guys....
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too late.
Who...?
Quote from: fur85 on August 31, 2015, 09:19:55 PM
Don't forget these guys....
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I have a lot of stuff of Hootie and of Herr Rucker, but Dave recently said that Rucker ain't country at all, but a real phony and that spoiled it for me. :-\
Quote from: uwe on September 02, 2015, 02:56:29 AM
I have a lot of stuff of Hootie and of Herr Rucker, but Dave recently said that Rucker ain't country at all, but a real phony and that spoiled it for me. :-\
He's not a phony, it's that his music isn't country at all. Not even pop-country. :P
That's it, I'm selling all those CDs. I was deceived. You, Sir, are not country! You South Carolina upstart and darn speed metal merchant you are!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dKAfcQnrXk
Darius Rucker is a white soul singer trapped in a black pop star's body, like an inverse Micheal McDonald. Most of Darius' "country" influences are barely country themselves. As an aside, when Jewel intro'ed the video that you posted Uwe, I was reminded of the time I worked with her at my old tv station (probably the same year as the video.) She was obscenely beautiful in person and super nice, unbelievably humble and professional to boot. I'm not generally one to gush over starlets but that woman in person looks much, much prettier than she does on camera, and well, you can see what she looks like on camera.
My definition of C&W is simplistic and ahistorical: Prominent acoustic guitars, more major than minor chords, lyrics that deal with real, clichéed or perceived life of the "simple folks back home", songs that regularly clock in at three or four minutes = Country (enough) to me. You don't have to share DNA strains with Hank Williams or Loretta Lynn.
Rucker isn't any less Country to me than Keith Urban, Zac Brown (his band has even a lot more rock elements than Rucker's current music has) or Garth Brooks and more so than country-pop tinged bands of the past such as Loggins & Messina or Firefall. But it's probably a question of perception, from our side of the pond bands like The Eagles, Poco and America were always referred to as Country Rock and the borderline to real Country back in the 70ies was basically whether you had long hair as a man or not and/or did the little yodles and yelps in your singing or not. If Garth Brooks hadn't had short hair and if he hadn't yodled, then "New Country" would still be Country Rock IMHO.
If Rucker moved to Jamaica and recorded a reggae album that was any good I wouldn't hesitate to call him a reggae artist. I don't work myself in a state how true someone stays to the origins of a form of music (or whether he/she originally played it) as long as he/she does it well. Rucker played indie-pop-rock (with an audible country tinge) with Hootie & the Blowfish, he now plays (New) Country (pop) that retains some connections to his musical past. His voice is more white soul/rock soul than country, I grant you that (Edith thinks he sounds like Eddie Vedder), but otherwise he sticks pretty much to the Country script. And not every male country singer has to yodle!!! And Frau Crow once surmised very aptly when questioned why she had "suddenly turned Country": "Well, if you really listened to my music, it was always there."
But before the C&W Thoughtcrime Police gets me, I'm happy to discern from now on between "Country-Country" ("Köuntry?") and just Country! :mrgreen:
i think crow is a musical opportunist.she will adapt to whatever seems to be the 'next big thing'.
She was even crazy about bicycle riding for quite some time, whoever got the ball rolling for that. And the healthy nutrition necessary for it, of course, if you are an ambitious athlete. :mrgreen:
I thought it funny that she complained about female pop stars being obsessed about their looks and their overt sexuality when she played happily along to be the folky rock chick pin up for decades and had her PR people carefully assure she always looked best on pictures. Miley and Rhianna are at least honest about their package.
you can blame lance armstrong for many things. :o
You can complain and whine all you want about Sheryl Crow, but she's got a helluva band with Peter Stroud, Audley Freed and Robert Kearns in the fold.
Quote from: nofi on September 04, 2015, 08:02:02 AM
i think crow is a musical opportunist.she will adapt to whatever seems to be the 'next big thing'.
Ya know, I wish I had that ability ;D. In the past I have tried and failed. I am not one those REAL flexible people. Now that I'm an old fart, I'm OK with that. As a younger fart, I wish I could have been more adaptable. Hell, Who knows, I coulda been a contender ;D.
Rick
Quote from: Basvarken on September 04, 2015, 08:50:27 AM
You can complain and whine all you want about Sheryl Crow, but she's got a helluva band with Peter Stroud, Audley Freed and Robert Kearns in the fold.
I'm fine with her music and voice. Her last "country" album was lame though.
I'm pretty impressed with country music these days. They have a formula, but I think there's a lot of talent on display - and some of it is much better listening than pop music.
I started as a DJ spinning country & western back in 1968. That was when Roy Acuff's version of Great Speckled Bird was still on the playlist, which is to my ear one of the more awful recordings ever...and there were others just as bad. The antidotes were country ballads like Dick Curless with The Heartline Special
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utJLlEruKjg
and Marty Robbins with the El Paso hits (and one called "Big Iron.) But back then, the old style music was a much bigger influence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zBzZJd-nfw
I find the music on today's country stations more listenable overall than some of the stuff I heard played backintheday...that's stuff I left in the 45 bin and ignored in favor of more contemporary cuts. Since I have a weakness for ballads, I often pulled them as a first choice for air play.
Quote from: Pilgrim on September 04, 2015, 12:38:44 PM
I'm pretty impressed with country music these days. They have a formula, but I think there's a lot of talent on display - and some of it is much better listening than pop music.
I started as a DJ spinning country & western back in 1968. That was when Roy Acuff's version of Great Speckled Bird was still on the playlist, which is to my ear one of the more awful recordings ever...and there were others just as bad. The antidotes were country ballads like Dick Curless with The Heartline Special
Say what? Roy Acuff recorded Great Speckled Bird in 1936. And it's a hymn, hardly representative of country music. For that matter, the western ballads you posted aren't either.
Country Marty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNNaOuo0tMQ
As for Sheryl Crow, IMHO she's a talented musician but disappointing as a songwriter. I wouldn't touch the basses she consigned at Willie's, though. Might have had Kid Rock's DNA on them (shudder). Can't take chances, you know.
It doesn't bother me if a pop or rock artist decides to do country, so long as what they're doing actually is country music. If it's country-influenced pop, that's okay, too, just don't call it country music. And the current douchebag frat boy rock passing itself off as country? :puke:
In the late 60's, those were all still on the oldies play list...and I got requests for them, too. The Marty Robbins stuff was around 10 years old, and won a Grammy in 1961.
Here are the top 10 Billboard hits of 1968...all more contemporary, but some pretty classic stuff.
"Stand by Your Man" — Tammy Wynette 2:41
"Heaven Says Hello" — Sonny James 2:06
"Mama Tried" — Merle Haggard 2:13
"Folsom Prison Blues" — Johnny Cash 2:46
"Skip a Rope" — Henson Cargill 2:39
"Wichita Lineman" — Glen Campbell 3:09
"Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye" — Eddy Arnold 2:50
"Sing Me Back Home" — Merle Haggard 2:50
"Next in Line" — Conway Twitty 2:53
"Harper Valley PTA" — Jeannie C. Riley 3:11
As for Sheryl's songwriting capabilties. I think none of us here on this forum has ever written one single hit.
Miss Crow wrote more than a few...
I don't mind what people call it. Country pop, singer-songwriter, Americana. Whatever.
A lot of her music is perhaps a little too sweet for my liking. But the musicianship is superb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JHOxO3vhUk
Ah, Rob has a crush on her! With the benefit of having a Dutch guitarist in my band, I now know how these people think. They say: I appreciate the music. They mean: Man, do I dig that girl! :mrgreen:
I admit, I wouldn't mind finding her between the sheets. :mrgreen:
Her music is a bit too sweet for me though. Floor is a bigger fan of her than I am :o
Quote from: Basvarken on September 05, 2015, 02:46:03 AM
As for Sheryl's songwriting capabilties. I think none of us here on this forum has ever written one single hit.
Miss Crow wrote more than a few...
I don't mind what people call it. Country pop, singer-songwriter, Americana. Whatever.
A lot of her music is perhaps a little too sweet for my liking. But the musicianship is superb.
If writing hits is a measure of greatness, then Justin Bieber is far greater than Sheryl Crow.
Songs like Anything But Down and Soak Up The Sun are catchy, all right, but they sound like they were only written in order to have a hit.
I don't think Justin Bieber writes his music.
I believe he's the primary writer on a lot of his songs.
Kesha writes her own songs too. Tik Tok has outsold anything by Sheryl Crow. I read that it's the best selling single ever by a solo female artist. Does that make her even better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP6XpLQM2Cs
Oh please Dave.
You know exactly what I mean.
Sheryl Crow has proven to be a darn good songwriter ever since she first hit the scene with Tuesday Night Music Club.
I think it's funny you doubt her songwriting skills. And if your only defense is to compare her with Just Bieber et al, that pretty much ends the discussion for me. ;D
Oh well, to each his own.
I suspect Soak up the Sun will be re-played long after Justin Bieber's stuff has been forgotten. Great tune!
Quote from: Basvarken on September 05, 2015, 08:27:36 AM
Oh please Dave.
You know exactly what I mean.
Sheryl Crow has proven to be a darn good songwriter ever since she first hit the scene with Tuesday Night Music Club.
I think it's funny you doubt her songwriting skills. And if your only defense is to compare her with Just Bieber et al, that pretty much ends the discussion for me. ;D
Oh well, to each his own.
Don't blame me, you're the one who brought up that she had more hit songs than anyone here. That either suggests having a hit song makes one better or that people who don't have hit songs shouldn't be critical.
She has songwriting skills, all right. Too bad she uses them to write fluffy ear candy.
As you said, to each his own. I used to listen to the Ramones or Pistols on the way into work because it relaxed me in rush hour traffic. ;D
Yeah...ummm... I like that Ke$ha song. :-X
I don't think the issue is what constitutes "country" or if Sheryl Crow is a good songwriter. Pop songs are meant to be disposable but the good ones have longevity by sneaking in some kind of greater artistic relevance. I have no feeling one way or the other about Sheryl Crow's music, though I generally change the station whenever it comes on; I'd rather hear something else but I don't hate it. I like the synth lines in the Ke$ha song and the melody, but find the lyrics inane and pointless.
And as for "real" country, very few successful country artists every truly lived the lives they sing about. My family used to look down on our cousins, the Carter Family, because rather than work and farm, they "played" music. They were regarded as too lazy to make an honest living off the land. Ironically, it is the music they played which will probably be the last vestige of the small rural family farms to survive modern culture. It is with no small contempt that I sneer at the modern faux country culture with its poser suburbanites who have never had to get up before dawn to feed or fence, never plowed a field or picked a crop, and think that outfitting themselves from head to toe in Realtree camo and oversized belt buckles makes up for that. Hell yes I'm an elitist, paid for with years of blood, sweat, and tears, so I can appreciate that Hootie does a nice Kenny Rogers, but his songs don't speak to my sensibilities and experience.
Quote from: Psycho Bass Guy on September 05, 2015, 05:20:36 PM
Yeah...ummm... I like that Ke$ha song. :-X
I don't think the issue is what constitutes "country" or if Sheryl Crow is a good songwriter. Pop songs are meant to be disposable but the good ones have longevity by sneaking in some kind of greater artistic relevance. I have no feeling one way or the other about Sheryl Crow's music, though I generally change the station whenever it comes on; I'd rather hear something else but I don't hate it. I like the synth lines in the Ke$ha song and the melody, but find the lyrics inane and pointless.
And as for "real" country, very few successful country artists every truly lived the lives they sing about. My family used to look down on our cousins, the Carter Family, because rather than work and farm, they "played" music. They were regarded as too lazy to make an honest living off the land. Ironically, it is the music they played which will probably be the last vestige of the small rural family farms to survive modern culture. It is with no small contempt that I sneer at the modern faux country culture with its poser suburbanites who have never had to get up before dawn to feed or fence, never plowed a field or picked a crop, and think that outfitting themselves from head to toe in Realtree camo and oversized belt buckles makes up for that. Hell yes I'm an elitist, paid for with years of blood, sweat, and tears, so I can appreciate that Hootie does a nice Kenny Rogers, but his songs don't speak to my sensibilities and experience.
I had never heard of Kesha until I happened to be watching the Today show one Friday morning and she was the featured artist for that week's Toyota Concert Series. A two block long horde of teenage (and probably preteen) girls went bonkers for her. They knew every word. Obviously she speaks to them. We're not supposed to understand.
Back in the late 70s when Kesha's mom was married to Hugh Moffatt, they co-wrote Old Flames Can't Hold a Candle To You. Kesha does a credible version of it. Not as good as Joe Sun's original or Dolly Parton's 1980 cover, but the girl can sing if she wants to.
As for what's real country, I doubt that most singers in any genre sing about their real life experiences, and the ones that claim to usually bore me. As for country music, very little of it was ever farm music. Hell, it wasn't even called country music until the late 40s when an industry association decided that calling it hillbilly music didn't fit. Anyway, even from the beginning most country singers were from small towns and bigger cities, not farms. But they were mostly working class folk not too far removed from rural life. They weren't stockbrokers.
Quote from: Dave W on September 05, 2015, 11:43:05 AM
... I used to listen to the Ramones or Pistols on the way into work because it relaxed me in rush hour traffic. ;D
(sputters coffee all over his keyboard, again...) :mrgreen:
The Ramones soothe me too. They play a lot of major chords, have tuneful hooks - kind of like amped up Beach Boys. I never saw the Bruddahs as an aggressive band, hi energy, yes. And when I hear something like "Beat on the brat, beat on the brat, beat on the brat with a baseball bat, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah-a" it's about as violent to me as roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote or the spy vs. spy cartoons in the old MAD magazines. The Ramones are cartoonish in a brilliant way.
Oh my, now I all of the sudden miss Don Martin. That guy was a genius. :-\
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