Gang.....I've seen a lot of what looks to be reputable online Civil War dealers....specifically, I want a genuine 1840 style or 1860 style cavalry saber...does anyone here collect or have any recommendations (besides 'do your research', I'm doing quite a bit..)
Thanks!!
That would be the "Wristbreaker", right?
Quote from: Pilgrim on March 19, 2014, 11:25:20 AM
That would be the "Wristbreaker", right?
Yes, the 1840 was heavy and long, and got that nickname. The 1860 was a bit shorter and lighter, less curve if in understand correctly.
I don't have much, but there is a Civil War Show in Mansfield, OH on May 3. One of the guys I work with is a Civil War buff.
I guess this is the biggest show in the country, so if you are looking for something, including a repro, this might be the place to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Lkoav7AkU&feature=kp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0GmWZNuEGc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jREUrbGGrgM
Lovely song. I always identified this here with the Civil War too, though it could be about any war of course, but those uniforms ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cdFuMgMkBM
Hey, another singing drummer!
I have always loved this Ry Coder version of "Rally Round the Flag" from the movie The Long Riders. Sounds like it was recorded by a period band...or jug band.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn_yCGUW3co&feature=kp
And this version of of "I'm a Good Old Rebel" from the same soundtrack is also memorable. The biting lyrics express a sheer detestation of everything Union.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEvBCnHPM4Y&list=RDwn_yCGUW3co
You call that a sword...?
The claidheamh mòr
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... and it's in the hands of a Gibson... :mrgreen:
The purported original item weighs in at approx. 6lbs and 5' 6" in length...
The two-handled versions are even larger!
Ah, the Claymoor, what a weapon! Leave it to the Scots to come up with a little dandy like that. All this talk reminds me of.................. "That's not a knife....this is a knife!"
(http://blogs.trb.com/features/family/parenting/blog/dundee1.jpg)
Let's get this back on a Civil War track, Yancy Derringer was after all a Confederate veteran:
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(http://blogs.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/propellerinsel/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/YancyTahoo.jpg)
I loved that series.
You guys were clearly not helpful this time!! ;) :)
Sorry!
Quote from: Blackbird on March 21, 2014, 10:32:21 AM
You guys were clearly not helpful this time!! ;) :)
I am shocked, SHOCKED at the lack of support in this thread!
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(http://fistfuloftalent.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/shame-600x320.jpg)
Can't beat'em, join'em
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Quote from: uwe on March 21, 2014, 07:44:13 AM
Let's get this back on a Civil War track, Yancy Derringer was after all a Confederate veteran:
(https://www.libro.at/mediastreaming/ec389dd1df13cc89c55c7fc033ed8da6d34c1dd6e7fabdf60211065eb4f9c3c4eb6542e9207147a66fa813f8de3bed9abf4833f18b3dc84025b7d363e46f32ab)
(http://blogs.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/propellerinsel/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/YancyTahoo.jpg)
I loved that series.
That series was the first one to have an impact on me as a child. Although Jock Mahoney played a number of roles throughout his career (which I took notice of,) it was the Yancy Derringer role which was the most iconic and timeless. It was a unique series, although to some extent Richard Boone's Paladin vaguely reminded me of Yancy Derringer. But the differences were, of course, great. "Have Gun Will Travel" was a good series, too, though. I think my two favorite TV shows of all time would be "Yancy Derringer" and the original "Fugitive" series with David Janssen.
Quote from: Blackbird on March 19, 2014, 09:55:18 AM
Gang.....I've seen a lot of what looks to be reputable online Civil War dealers....specifically, I want a genuine 1840 style or 1860 style cavalry saber...does anyone here collect or have any recommendations (besides 'do your research', I'm doing quite a bit..)
Thanks!!
I don't know anything about collecting, but I have studied the Civil War itself quite a lot through the years. For that reason alone, if I see something on TV that has anything to do with the Civil War, I may watch it. Several days ago, there was a show on National Geographic called "Diggers." I think they mentioned sabers on that; how they were sought after, etc. If you can get in touch with people who involve themselves with this kind of thing, you might be able to find someone who would know of good Civil War dealers.
I'm only interested in the historical part of it, but I can understand why people would like collecting, too. Just in the few minutes I watched that show, I learned a few things. On that particular show, they were following the path of Sherman's March.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/diggers/
The Rebel...barely post-Civil War
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(http://classicreels.com/images/rebel_lg.jpg)
"The Rebel" was an unusual Western. I liked it. Too bad about Nick Adams after that, though.
I actually have a Civil War sword that I believe to be a "Wrist Breaker" & a few bayonets (French?), but I really don't know much about them. They were my Grandfathers & he had them hanging on a wall for 40 + years before he passed away.
Quote from: Grog on March 22, 2014, 06:47:07 PM
I actually have a Civil War sword that I believe to be a "Wrist Breaker" & a few bayonets (French?), but I really don't know much about them. They were my Grandfathers & he had them hanging on a wall for 40 + years before he passed away.
Here's a wristbreaker:
http://www.relicman.com/weapons/imageweapon/W1004A_small.JPG (http://www.relicman.com/weapons/imageweapon/W1004A_small.JPG)
http://www.ohiocivilwarshow.com/ (http://www.ohiocivilwarshow.com/)
The claidheamh mòr or claymore had a serious flaw... it was a scythe-like weapon that had to be swept back-and-forth... if you missed first time, you could be in big trouble, as the momentum would carry you round until the blade was well past the person you were trying to strike, and if they had a short sword or knife, they could move in and strike a deadly blow...
... but if they struck first time... :o
I have a couple of books my grandad gave me when I was a kid which HE got as a kid from his Great Uncle Frank (Benjamin Franklin), who was in the Union Army. Frank's brother, Jeff (Thomas Jefferson), went into the Washington Artillery of New Orleans, which was part of the Confederate Army. My dad's done a lot of research into this and it seems Jeff was paid by another fellow named Zebel to take his place. This was pretty common apparently.
This was a strategic error for it cost him is life at Mayre's Heights, Fredericksburg, Virginia, on May 3, 1863. There are some well known photographs taken May 6, 1863 showing the wall behind which Uncle Jeff had been firing a few days earlier. He, along with some others, were taken prisoner and shot.
In 1866 the women of Fredericksburg took all the Confederate dead and buried them in the Confederate Cemetery of Fredricksburg and the Confederate Cemetery of Spotsylvania. We don't know in which one Uncle Jeff was buried.
Uncle Frank survived the war and was sent west in 1865 in the Powder River Expedition where his unit engaged some Indians. He died in Jefferson City in 1924. Apparently his uniform and perhaps his sabre are preserved in the state capitol.
Quote from: Denis on March 24, 2014, 08:23:01 PM
I have a couple of books my grandad gave me when I was a kid which HE got as a kid from his Great Uncle Frank (Benjamin Franklin), who was in the Union Army. Frank's brother, Jeff (Thomas Jefferson), went into the Washington Artillery of New Orleans, which was part of the Confederate Army. My dad's done a lot of research into this and it seems Jeff was paid by another fellow named Zebel to take his place. This was pretty common apparently.
This was a strategic error for it cost him is life at Mayre's Heights, Fredericksburg, Virginia, on May 3, 1863. There are some well known photographs taken May 6, 1863 showing the wall behind which Uncle Jeff had been firing a few days earlier. He, along with some others, were taken prisoner and shot.
In 1866 the women of Fredericksburg took all the Confederate dead and buried them in the Confederate Cemetery of Fredricksburg and the Confederate Cemetery of Spotsylvania. We don't know in which one Uncle Jeff was buried.
Uncle Frank survived the war and was sent west in 1865 in the Powder River Expedition where his unit engaged some Indians. He died in Jefferson City in 1924. Apparently his uniform and perhaps his sabre are preserved in the state capitol.
Cool story Denis. And yes, I think for $300 you could pay for someone to take your spot. Apparently one guy made a lot of $$ before getting caught.
Quote from: Denis on March 24, 2014, 08:23:01 PM
I have a couple of books my grandad gave me when I was a kid which HE got as a kid from his Great Uncle Frank (Benjamin Franklin), who was in the Union Army. Frank's brother, Jeff (Thomas Jefferson), went into the Washington Artillery of New Orleans, which was part of the Confederate Army. My dad's done a lot of research into this and it seems Jeff was paid by another fellow named Zebel to take his place. This was pretty common apparently.
This was a strategic error for it cost him is life at Mayre's Heights, Fredericksburg, Virginia, on May 3, 1863. There are some well known photographs taken May 6, 1863 showing the wall behind which Uncle Jeff had been firing a few days earlier. He, along with some others, were taken prisoner and shot.
In 1866 the women of Fredericksburg took all the Confederate dead and buried them in the Confederate Cemetery of Fredricksburg and the Confederate Cemetery of Spotsylvania. We don't know in which one Uncle Jeff was buried.
Uncle Frank survived the war and was sent west in 1865 in the Powder River Expedition where his unit engaged some Indians. He died in Jefferson City in 1924. Apparently his uniform and perhaps his sabre are preserved in the state capitol.
There's a quote in Episode for of Ken Burns documentary "The Civil War" from a Benjamin Franklin saying how much he'd think of his mother's "beans and collards". There was an extra name mentioned after the Franklin tho.
Well, to close the thread, I picked up a cavalry saber
(http://www.civilwarpreservations.com/images/sale/SJM211-1.jpg)
Quote from: Blackbird on April 04, 2014, 10:00:00 AM
Well, to close the thread, I picked up a cavalry saber
(http://www.civilwarpreservations.com/images/sale/SJM211-1.jpg)
I just happened to be flipping through the channels not long ago and saw one on TV that sold at an auction for $1600. It was a Union one. The guy took it to a dealer who wanted to pay $1100. But the seller wisely used his patience. Buying one for $500 and selling it for $1600 sounds like fun.
Quote from: westen44 on April 04, 2014, 10:21:50 AM
I just happened to be flipping through the channels not long ago and saw one on TV that sold at an auction for $1600. It was a Union one. The guy took it to a dealer who wanted to pay $1100. But the seller wisely used his patience. Buying one for $500 and selling it for $1600 sounds like fun.
Well, it can depend really. Mine was 575$, which is about par for this maker. There are others that will be more, but that's high for a cavalry saber unless there's something unique about it, or maybe has a certain provenance etc..To me, $1100 is up on the high side.
Quote from: Blackbird on April 04, 2014, 10:30:22 AM
Well, it can depend really. Mine was 575$, which is about par for this maker. There are others that will be more, but that's high for a cavalry saber unless there's something unique about it, or maybe has a certain provenance etc..To me, $1100 is up on the high side.
They did say there was something unique about it. But it didn't make much sense to me. I can discuss Civil War battles, but just don't know much about collecting at all.
Confederate anything can be 4-5x the cost of a comparable union piece, and you can't be sure on a lot of it from what I can tell. They were more of a hodge podge army, had less money than the Union...uniforms (and colors) weren't consistent, they collected a lot of union weapons - and unfired bullets from casualty Union soldiers.
Quote from: Blackbird on April 04, 2014, 01:34:54 PM
Confederate anything can be 4-5x the cost of a comparable union piece, and you can't be sure on a lot of it from what I can tell. They were more of a hodge podge army, had less money than the Union...uniforms (and colors) weren't consistent, they collected a lot of union weapons - and unfired bullets from casualty Union soldiers.
I understood right off why Confederate would be worth more. But what didn't make sense to me is why a saber would be worth more if it had been used as a grave marker (whether Confederate or Union.)
Quote from: westen44 on April 04, 2014, 10:21:50 AM
I just happened to be flipping through the channels not long ago and saw one on TV that sold at an auction for $1600. It was a Union one. The guy took it to a dealer who wanted to pay $1100. But the seller wisely used his patience. Buying one for $500 and selling it for $1600 sounds like fun.
Antique Roadshow on PBS had a similar sword go for around $30,000............ That was a number of years ago & they were busted for falsifying their program. I don't remember the exact particulars, but for a short moment in time, I thought I really had something....................!
Quote from: Grog on April 04, 2014, 06:32:24 PM
Antique Roadshow on PBS had a similar sword go for around $30,000............ That was a number of years ago & they were busted for falsifying their program. I don't remember the exact particulars, but for a short moment in time, I thought I really had something....................!
Pritchard and Juno and the Pickett "watermelon sword" controversy. Both of them pleaded guilty to federal fraud charges.