... and why not...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUWn90y7Kgc
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AL73LYo64A (for he who is somewhat over enthused) ;D
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ffQjzQeZoY (especially for Al) ;)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ARd5SPm2M4 (okay, lots of stuff recorded with a Ric)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8dQwP80uNQ
That should kick us off...
Ilan, I expect you to be a prodigious supporter of this one, and as I've stated elsewhere, selfies welcome...
He's played everything...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JSZwt_2m0s
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUl1loKFQxg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7lG21FcUiE
I'm hunting for other stuff but fell over these... there are several more available from the same period...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XWxyQVqP-M www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2zcg9GyR2k
Audio is crap, but the belly and the Ric look good!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1239364633109¬if_t=like_tagged
Had to be done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbr60I0u2Ng
Anything with your eight-string, Tom...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ymIjMfxKt4
Quote from: Granny Gremlin on February 05, 2014, 10:33:24 AM
Had to be done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbr60I0u2Ng
Saw them here in Houston on the their first tour. They played at the University of Houston and played the entire album and few Beatles covers - no surprise there. Their set lasted maybe 55 minutes, though I have to say they were damn tight and put on a very good show.
Quote from: CAR-54 on February 05, 2014, 04:13:05 PMAnything with your eight-string, Tom...?
I was trying to find a video someone posted on facebook of the 8. Still searching...
Here's some 3001 love (betcha didn't see that coming...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM1U78RLChY
^ That's one of my favorite songs lately!
Love that band! I wish I had the proper skills to imbed the vid!
Southpaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc-7FXzbeA0
Lose the http:// and use www.
A great band, Dead Meadow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y2ZRU11xtc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe5Hd3eGMKw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep7FWnbAaCI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B578LuXbPI
Doubleneck...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBcz3tBH74
It's the official video but what the hell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYHxGBH6o4M
Quote from: Hörnisse on February 07, 2014, 02:21:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep7FWnbAaCI
He reminds me of Alice Cooper without the makeup!
Wishbone Ash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJxRJRIt2CY
OLLLLLLD Yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SszeZhF9Xq4
That Yes clip is great, love bruford!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuHfWG6DAlU
Stanley Clarke with a JG 4000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFP-alYNq5I
Jimmy Bain playing a modded Ric at 2:29 (at least I assumed it's a Ric):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WapvE4pRqic
Glad he got a few seconds in the video!
(http://imageshack.com/a/img824/5848/2zta.jpg)
Not a Ric. One of the ugliest fakes ever made...
Quote from: ilan on February 10, 2014, 11:29:33 PM
Not a Ric. One of the ugliest fakes ever made...
Yeah, when I took the still I began to doubt. Sorry about that! :-[
No apology required H... Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, if you can avoid the litigation... Plenty of Ho's in the T'Bird (and other) thread... The knowledge of the existence of the beast is interesting... any idea what the pups are...?
It's a short-scale Kay K-20B, made in Taiwan. Bolt-on construction.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rpGy0i160_I/T8VCvTOje4I/AAAAAAAAAoY/TGSFRnzhDCc/s1600/Kay+Rick+Copy%233.jpg)
(http://www.chriswareham.demon.co.uk/kay_k20b_2.jpg)
And here's a vid if you're still interested (demo starts at 0:47 with the neck pickup):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ivWwC_h60
Strewth... what a beast... :o
Remind me never to doubt your word... ;)
Lefty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lox7CB6-JCg
Wow! Early a foreigner clip. A friend of mine named Toby was the original bass player, also from Rochester NY area like Lou Gramm. The dumbass kept bumming more cash to live on because he was blowing his per diem money on pot, while they were recording and rehearsing. Got booted out of band.
This has got to be one of the earliest videos featuring a 4001.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR8e8ej1K1c
Excellent find...
NICE!
We play that number, and the bass on that version is about as easy to hear as any I've found. I sent myself a link home to use for practice. Gracias!
Glad everyone likes it. It's always neat to see an electric bass on black and white footage. I'm sure there have got to be some other old shots of rics beside this. Post it up if you can find them.
Quote from: Pilgrim on August 13, 2014, 10:35:22 AM
We play that number, and the bass on that version is about as easy to hear as any I've found. I sent myself a link home to use for practice. Gracias!
Yeah Pil but look at the head he's standing on :rimshot:
Quote from: 4stringer77 on August 13, 2014, 02:43:49 PM
Glad everyone likes it. It's always neat to see an electric bass on black and white footage. I'm sure there have got to be some other old shots of rics beside this. Post it up if you can find them.
I'd love to find footage of Jim Reeves and his Blue Boys with their Ricks (http://www.jim-reeves.com/432x263xblueboys-postcardf.gif.pagespeed.ic.5jVuKWGxBS.jpg) but the only film footage I've seen has the lead guitarist and bassist playing Fenders.
Quote from: Rob on August 13, 2014, 06:03:34 PM
Yeah Pil but look at the head he's standing on :rimshot:
I hadn't noticed that bit of stage dressing. Interesting that they decorated his pedestal as an amp!
Pilot - Magic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iiryJwvDtc
The Sweet - Fox On The Run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjfZG9UzK7E
Here's one that features a couple different Ricks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFiqIldlQEM
The copyright Police have been in and removed some earlier Rush material so being a sad little b*st*rd so-and-so I thought I'd drop some more 70's CLANK into the thread...
For I have dined on double-necks and drank the milk of paradise...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEuOoMprDqg
... and some early Yes...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIELdjTQg-U
Decent quality color "video" (well, film originally) of early Yes with Chris Squire playing his seldom-seen 21-fret 4001 instead of his usually seen cream-color RM 1999 (4001S):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdCHJMpRA5Q#t=235
This thread wouldn't be complete without Racey - get those moves down pat!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S08PVNTiaiY
And while we're at it - a Ric sound to die for:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKglWitqtF0
Let's not forget them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQsg6XXGxXQ
You cannuck get enough?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF4Cyqq9Z54
More Jam - this time live. I always loved sound he got from his Ricks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze-xruVs_vg
Achtung, jetzt wird gejazzrockt!!! Hellmut Hattler, Germany's most famous Ric'ist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t12HTux0bIQ
Quote from: uwe on January 09, 2015, 06:45:26 AM
Achtung, jetzt wird gejazzrockt!!! Hellmut Hattler, Germany's most famous Ric'ist:
Just a tad more choreographic work with the mimes, and this would be a major hit!
Cool, lots of Jam today.
Kraan - So... nobody told these guys that people hate mimes? Holy smokes, that's hard to watch!
MEOW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8t4lYNjS0Y&index=1&list=FLR_2iW0Gd8Sabr0EmNNoE7Q
Quote from: amptech on January 09, 2015, 08:19:43 AM
Just a tad more choreographic work with the mimes, and this would be a major hit!
Quote from: gearHed289 on January 09, 2015, 09:12:10 AM
Kraan - So... nobody told these guys that people hate mimes? Holy smokes, that's hard to watch!
Those mimes almost kept me from posting it!
Quote from: gearHed289 on January 09, 2015, 09:13:22 AM
MEOW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8t4lYNjS0Y&index=1&list=FLR_2iW0Gd8Sabr0EmNNoE7Q
Oh my, what a pretty boy Greg L once was!
Not a Rick in that Hot Chocolate number. I forget the maker who did look-alikes with the black position markers.
I'm shattered. So you win again. I thought it looked such a sexy thing there was no doubt about it. It started with a Ric, never knew it would come to this ...
But this is a real Ric!!! (And gives me a chance to wave my Strapps flag again.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2e2A51I5J8
John Birch is the Rick copy with the black position markers.
That John Birch Rickenfaker (or whatever he recorded with) sounds great. Guitarist has an old Roland GR500 synth.
Just an fyi about BBC videos from those days... if it was a show where the band appeared "live" it was a different recording (live or studio) that was "mimed" for MU reasons so sometimes they are interesting to study...
Yeah, they were recorded in mono and sounded quite a bit different to the regular studio versions. Highly collectible for trainspotting barrel-scraping fans.
"That John Birch Rickenfaker (or whatever he recorded with) sounds great. Guitarist has an old Roland GR500 synth."
+1 I have a soft spot for Hot Chocolate. They had good tunes, a toned down funky feel and a singer with a honey-dew voice. Bit like the UK version of Kool & the Gang who are another guilty pleasure of mine. The Hot Chocolate guitarist came from The Outlaws (the UK instrumental group, not the US Southern Rockers) and Joe Meek sessions, same background as Blackmore.
Quote from: Paul Boyer on January 09, 2015, 09:37:24 PM
John Birch is the Rick copy with the black position markers.
Thanks! And with a high E even!!! (http://cdn1.gbase.com/usercontent/gear/3051129/p1_u15aqdlit_so.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjr6P9CepZc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBAwv49slC8
Fascinating... never knew he used one...
Quote from: Dave W on August 13, 2014, 08:37:55 PM
I'd love to find footage of Jim Reeves and his Blue Boys with their Ricks (http://www.jim-reeves.com/432x263xblueboys-postcardf.gif.pagespeed.ic.5jVuKWGxBS.jpg) but the only film footage I've seen has the lead guitarist and bassist playing Fenders.
Almost. Jim with his acoustic Ric.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKaUmmXYdTs
Good find! That was from the movie Kimberly Jim. IIRC it hadn't been released yet when he died.
Early Yes, with Chris's RM1999 when it still had the wallpaper on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuU-BWQ3z2o
Much clearer video, but some manky stereo reprocessing on the audio. Looks like Chris has a small G-clamp keeping the headstock together:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwdNRoV36Go
And another brief black and white clip. Steve Howe on guitar by this stage. You can see Chris is using a Y-splitter curly lead, but both cables are running to one Fender head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1aPqebdk3A
If you lived in Minnesota in the 80's you couldn't get away from these guys (and girl). It even appears to be a 4002.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuGTrTPut1w
Quote from: 66Atlas on January 11, 2016, 03:36:43 PM
If you lived in Minnesota in the 80's you couldn't get away from these guys (and girl). It even appears to be a 4002.
Maybe you couldn't, but I sure could! :)
The guitarist now runs a coffee shop and wine bar in south Minneapolis. Times change.
Quote from: uwe on January 09, 2015, 06:45:26 AM
Achtung, jetzt wird gejazzrockt!!! Hellmut Hattler, Germany's most famous Ric'ist:
What does Kraan translate as?... because in Polish that would be tap/faucet.
And my contribution:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd2GO3xqziI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxG5jweAraU
Quote from: Dave W on January 01, 2016, 05:02:18 PM
Good find! That was from the movie Kimberly Jim. IIRC it hadn't been released yet when he died.
I found a few clips from that movie and felt SURE I would find a clip of the rest of his band with the matching instruments, including the Ric, but nothing turned up. I bet I looked at 25 clips too!
Randy with a Ric ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XWxyQVqP-M
The Hollies, 1975.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl5vi9ir49g
Say what you will about the Hollies, but they could do their stuff really well. Kick-ass version.
"What does Kraan translate as?... because in Polish that would be tap/faucet."
It's a spoof spelling, just like Def Leppard or Led Zeppelin, the double A makes it look a little Dutch and Kraan weren't too far away from the Dutch border, but in German there is only "Kran" and that can mean either
- faucet or tap, just like you said (though it's an old-fashioned and more regional term for it),
or (more commonly)
- a construction crane.
(http://www.moser-baumaschinen.de/uploads/pics/10_kran1.jpg)
Kraan have also used the term Kraaniche, which is a spoof on Kranich, the crane bird:
(http://www.schamanische-krafttiere.de/file/2013/04/Kranich.jpg)
Yeah, there's only 1 A in Polish as well. Thanks. Etimology is interesting.
Quote from: Denis on January 19, 2016, 08:01:15 PM
The Hollies, 1975.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl5vi9ir49g
Geez, what a voice! And what is that bass player, like 15 years old???
I absolutely LOVED this song when I was in like 5th grade. The guitar intro gave me goosebumps. I would wait for this or Smoke on the Water to come on the radio (which is funny because both songs were about 3 years old by then). ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP94PlEtsEQ
Quote from: gearHed289 on January 20, 2016, 08:57:26 AM
Geez, what a voice! And what is that bass player, like 15 years old???
That's the great Tony Hicks! He's the guitarist, they must've been between bassists when the video was shot.
Just like Macca - never really aged, good Mancunian genes there. He was pivotal for The Hollies as a multi-instrumentalist, musical director, occasional lead vocalist, songwriter etc ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36iRrsRV5pU
The real bassist played Rics too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs-i9uQUnXQ
Quote from: leftybass on January 20, 2016, 09:34:50 AM
That's the great Tony Hicks! He's the guitarist, they must've been between bassists when the video was shot.
You bet! That video was from 1975, so despite his young-looking face, he must have been at least 30. He was one of the early members of the Hollies.
Quote from: Dave W on January 20, 2016, 01:38:53 PM
You bet! That video was from 1975, so despite his young-looking face, he must have been at least 30. He was one of the early members of the Hollies.
Yup he's 70 now.
If anybody is interested, I have He Ain't Heavy on 7" (don't recall the B Side off the top of my head). It's in my getting rid of pile; nobody wants it. If you wanna pay the shipping it's yours (might as well, for the cost, take a few more 7s - PM for a list).
Los Jaivas - águila sideral
Chilean avant-dub-prog-folk music. :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qjOhJsO4Jo
That's kind of nice in its sphericness.
Excellent music! That Rick sound great with the flats on it. I wonder if that recording was actually done on that Telefunken?
Texas country star Justin Trevino. Not the best video, but after a quick search it's the only one I see with his Rick. He actually plays it quite a lot, at his own gigs or backing others.
https://youtu.be/VX1Gdwzv8fs
Not many Rics in country music... image problem?
Tradition problem... :mrgreen:
I doubt it's an image problem. You'll see a wide variety at regional and local shows. Not 7-string buckeye burl top boutique basses, and there are still plenty of Fenders, but I've seen everything from Peaveys and Arias to a Rick Turner.
Nashville is another matter. That's a studio town every bit as much as Los Angeles in the 60s and 70s, with fairly rigid studio attitudes.
My favorite song of 1992, from an almost forgotten Boston-based band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF-KPh3el4o
Blackfoot Sue - Standing in the Road. Worth it to see a priceless RM1999 getting beaten with drum sticks. :sad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e6FDlS12qo
Bump for musical greatness!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6QMFGRh47A
Stanley Clark rocking a 4001, back when Return to Forever still had Bill Connors on guitar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wojhzt25Io0
A surprisingly heavy hard-rock tune from The Sweet.
Quote from: Alanko on November 29, 2016, 01:45:26 PM
Bump for musical greatness!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6QMFGRh47A
Stanley Clark rocking a 4001, back when Return to Forever still had Bill Connors on guitar.A surprisingly heavy hard-rock tune from The Sweet.
That's a 4000 model.
Good shout, Jeff! Funny thing is that a lot of Stanley's tone is in there, but it just doesn't seem to bite like the Alembics do.
FWIW I think he sounds way better here than with his Alembics.
I wish he was higher in the mix, but it isn't a bad tone by any means. I gather that Rick Turner basically doorstepped Stanley after a gig and said 'great playing, bad tone' or words to that effect. I'm not the biggest fan of Stanley's tone, especially when he first got the Alembic basses. Way too twangy for my tastes, and it seems like he was fretting out a bit at faster speeds with a tell-tale 'quack' to the notes. I saw a rig rundown a few years back where he was using small tube guitar amps for the high end. To me that is what I'm not so fond of, as I don't think his tone mates together very well. There is rumbling low end and an blizzard of crunchy top end, and nothing much joining these two halves. There is recent footage of RTF playing Hymn of the Seventh Galaxy if you want to directly compare their sound then and now.
Quote from: Alanko on November 30, 2016, 09:36:40 AM
...I gather that Rick Turner basically doorstepped Stanley after a gig and said 'great playing, bad tone' or words to that effect. I'm not the biggest fan of Stanley's tone, especially when he first got the Alembic basses
IIRC, Stanley was playing a Gibson EB-0 when Rick told him his tone sucked. :mrgreen:
Quote from: Jeff Scott on November 30, 2016, 07:48:17 PM
IIRC, Stanley was playing a Gibson EB-0 when Rick told him his tone sucked. :mrgreen:
It was actually a Gibson EB2, according to the bass book by tony bacon. Strange choice for that kind of music!
If he had only stuck with it, all those solo albums might have been listenable! And he'd hang out here with us :)
Quote from: amptech on December 01, 2016, 07:01:57 AM
It was actually a Gibson EB2, according to the bass book by tony bacon. Strange choice for that kind of music!
If he had only stuck with it, all those solo albums might have been listenable! And he'd hang out here with us :)
Okay, so it sucked twice as much (two pickups to provide the suck). :mrgreen:
Quote from: Jeff Scott on December 01, 2016, 06:19:59 PM
Okay, so it sucked twice as much (two pickups to provide the suck). :mrgreen:
The EB-2 only has one pickup (the rarer EB-2D has two).
Quote from: amptech on December 01, 2016, 07:01:57 AM
It was actually a Gibson EB2, according to the bass book by tony bacon. Strange choice for that kind of music!
Maybe for upright people, a bass with undefined tone and f-holes makes the move easier. Steve Swallow also had an EB2 period when he switched from upright to bass guitar. He once said in an old interview that it had to be a semi-acoustic bass, he couldn't bring himself to play a solidbody, he had to feel the bass vibrate against his chest like an upright.
Quote from: Dave W on December 01, 2016, 09:02:42 PM
The EB-2 only has one pickup (the rarer EB-2D has two).
Right you are, for some reason I read that as EB-3. :rolleyes:
Quote from: ilan on December 02, 2016, 07:44:09 AM
Maybe for upright people, a bass with undefined tone and f-holes makes the move easier. Steve Swallow also had an EB2 period when he switched from upright to bass guitar. He once said in an old interview that it had to be a semi-acoustic bass, he couldn't bring himself to play a solidbody, he had to feel the bass vibrate against his chest like an upright.
So, what's the best bass for someone first switching from upright to electric? :mrgreen:
Metal, you mean?
Curiously, from upright, I went to an EB2 copy...
Cosmic Rough Riders - an early 4004C, as if I needed another reason to like them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqaweETkgg4
Has this been seen here yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-jlVlCxw7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q918fs4RAto
4005!
I saw It's A Beautiful Day on April 14, 1973. They were the band that followed Genesis (on their first US tour), at the Adelbert Gym on the CWRU campus.
I don't think we've seen this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijk4j-r7qPA
Oh yeah, FF are convinced Ricsters. In America, no one just gives a rat's ass about them. Their last album was with The Sparks, but then the US has disowned those two sons too.
Quote from: uwe on February 01, 2017, 04:14:53 PM
Oh yeah, FF are convinced Ricsters. In America, no one just gives a rat's ass about them.
It's cause they're boring (no but really they're actually rather big here too - they just haven't had much marketting push on this side of the pond for the last 2 records so they're not as talked about, but they have a solid following and those first 2 records at least still get a lot of airplay). I just find them completely uninteresting - not bad, just doesn't do a thing for me.
I'm biased. Anybody who plays with the magnificent Mael Brothers can do no wrong in my eyes and ears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNe4W-sKfE
Kidnapped this from the Gibson forum. 4000BG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7a5xzB6Puw
https://youtu.be/7XJNt-szZXQ
3:46 of Rickenbacker-y goodness courtesy of yours truly. =)
https://youtu.be/6nmSLoCOo4Q
Awesome.
Wow. Better than anything I've heard Rush put out lately. Ballsy prog. Do you guys tour?
Hey, thanks guys! We're just playing locally every couple of months. Only done 2 gigs so far in January and May of this year. We have a 4 song EP that this track is on. I think I'm going to do at least one more of these "playthrough" vids. Planning to record 6 more tracks to make a full album, and working on more gigs. There's actually quite a prog scene here in Chicago. We were lucky to be on the bill with District 97 for our second show. They're building a real name for themselves and have toured Europe at least twice now. A friend of mine has a Steve Vai tribute band that we're teaming up with as a double bill. Our stuff is posted in multiple places online if you're interested.
https://nomadic44.bandcamp.com (https://nomadic44.bandcamp.com)
https://www.reverbnation.com/nomadic1 (https://www.reverbnation.com/nomadic1)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbpbsy0q0ZaM2UwouLvfMliQ7XftjfHWo (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbpbsy0q0ZaM2UwouLvfMliQ7XftjfHWo)
Unbelievably so, this vid has been criminally ignored all these years here, some tasty British prog rock with an 8-string, you don't see that often:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeI3TlAqius
Someone must have loaned it to him for the TV show, he was generally a Fender man.
Yet here it is again, he must have owned it for a while.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8gf0mc-ITI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foAuvC2-iUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PinCg7IGqHg
That Mud 8 string is a faker. I can't think of the name, but I think it's a British make. Jaydee? Peter Cook??? I've seen 4 string versions - maple board, multiple pole pieces on the pups...
That could very well be, it didn't look quite right to me, but I couldn't put my finger on it (though the WAL type bridge and the maple board is a dead giveaway)! Further research reveals that the heart-shaped guitar for the guitarist was custom-built for him by John Birch so that is likely the source of the 8-string Ric-O-Fake too.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c7/9c/bd/c79cbd45288b5850b016a8fdb83f6565.jpg)
You're not telling me those Mud vids have to go now? We don't habe a glam rock forum!!! :mrgreen:
Most likely a John Birch creation.
Have we seen this one in this thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbfw1YfeAlA
Quote from: uwe on August 15, 2017, 03:35:21 PMFurther research reveals that the heart-shaped guitar for the guitarist was custom-built for him by John Birch so that is likely the source of the 8-string Ric-O-Fake too.
That's it! He built stuff for Sabbath too, among others. Guy in Nektar had a Ric-style double neck.
(http://archives.rickresource.com/oldattachments/156308.jpg)
The late Roy Albrighton. :-\
Quote from: Dave W on August 15, 2017, 07:25:07 PM
Have we seen this one in this thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbfw1YfeAlA
Bruce Foxton played Ric a lot in the early years of the Jam. IMHO he is among the top bassists to come out of the Punk/New Wave movement - together with Burnel from the Stranglers and Mick Karn from Japan. Sadly, without The Jam, he lost his foil for those busy, even nervous, but always entertaining bass runs and hasn't done much of note since then. Reputedly, Paul Weller began to dislike his style as The Jam matured and his later bassists after he had gone solo all had a sparse style. But he invited him to guest on one of his more recent albums.
Weller is another guy that grew tired of the trio concept.
I'm eternally grateful to Bruce Foxton... he went into a shop in Hounslow and bought a white Epi Rivoli I had the cash for and when I discovered it was gone (were talking hours here, not days) I discovered the same shop had the PC for sale, £20 cheaper than the Epi...
Cheers Bruce... I owe you a pint, or at least a large dram... ;)
Quote from: gearHed289 on August 15, 2017, 08:36:15 AM
That Mud 8 string is a faker. I can't think of the name, but I think it's a British make. Jaydee? Peter Cook??? I've seen 4 string versions - maple board, multiple pole pieces on the pups...
John Birch!
(http://www.reallygreatguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/DSC01541.jpg)
I've played one once, and it sat somewhere between weirdly boutique and weirdly crude. The six knobs were pretty unnecessary. It sounded nothing like a Rickenbacker at least.
A lot of guys used John Birch stuff in the '70s including...
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/45/f1/d6/45f1d6a5abbef656dab07326a6db2fb9--deep-purple-guitarist.jpg)
Hahahaha! The old LastBassOutpost switcheroo!
Has this one been posted, yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBTSvafnhic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBTSvafnhic)
Haven't heard from "Ronbo" in a long time.? ???
Quote from: uwe on August 16, 2017, 08:54:12 AMBruce Foxton played Ric a lot in the early years of the Jam.
He also had an Ibanez faker.
Quote from: Highlander on August 16, 2017, 02:28:55 PMI'm eternally grateful to Bruce Foxton... he went into a shop in Hounslow and bought a white Epi Rivoli I had the cash for
Would that be this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfpRm-p7qlY
Quote from: Paul Boyer on August 17, 2017, 08:19:25 AM
Haven't heard from "Ronbo" in a long time.? ???
I STILL SEE HIM ON FACEBOOK! ;)
Quote from: Alanko on August 16, 2017, 02:55:31 PM
John Birch!
(http://www.reallygreatguitars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/DSC01541.jpg)
I've played one once, and it sat somewhere between weirdly boutique and weirdly crude. The six knobs were pretty unnecessary. It sounded nothing like a Rickenbacker at least.
A lot of guys used John Birch stuff in the '70s including...
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/45/f1/d6/45f1d6a5abbef656dab07326a6db2fb9--deep-purple-guitarist.jpg)
Hahahaha! The old LastBassOutpost switcheroo!
Iommi probably talked him into it. :popcorn:
Quote from: Paul Boyer on August 17, 2017, 08:19:25 AM
Haven't heard from "Ronbo" in a long time.? ???
My last encounter with him was on TalkBass a few months ago. He's still up to the same old things, car repair and WW II re-enactments. I'm not sure if he is doing any playing, these days.
Here's a short one with my 4003S/8. Kinda tripped myself up at 1:55, but whatever. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trQRHUJViMY&t=2s
Quote from: uwe on August 14, 2017, 03:53:18 PM
Unbelievably so, this vid has been criminally ignored all these years here, some tasty British prog rock with an 8-string, you don't see that often:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeI3TlAqius
Justafiably ignored. ... Did they mean for that one to come off so gay? Because if so, then that was pretty brave.
Quote from: Dave W on August 15, 2017, 07:25:07 PM
Have we seen this one in this thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbfw1YfeAlA
LOL, I just noticed this (note the intro/bridge in the Jam tune; compared to the riff after the drumroll in the pistols tune):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ah1JM9mf60
The Jam is actually more Pistols than the Pistols here (faster for one thing).
Quote from: gearHed289 on September 19, 2017, 08:32:50 AM
Here's a short one with my 4003S/8. Kinda tripped myself up at 1:55, but whatever. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trQRHUJViMY&t=2s
I thoroughly enjoyed this. Great music.
Thanks! More to come. We hit the studio in November.
:popcorn:
Hey, melodic prog, real nice!!!
RIP Tom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amvcOFly5ow
That makes me so sad.
One by one, the stars go out... :sad:
Not aware that anybody from Pilot died yet, but they are still eligible here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzlK0OGpIRs
No vids with Rics piercing balloons yet either - really a shame!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wTyjl1CMqw
70s gold. And a double neck to boot! Think these guys liked Wings?
There's a whole lot of Beatles, Wings, Badfinger and 10cc in them. Sophisticated British 70ies pop. They were a real band, but with interesting pedigrees: ex Bay City Roller (the singing bassist, he didn't want to do the teeny bop thing they were offered, so he left), top notch British session musicians. Some of them would end up in later incarnations of acts as diverse as Alan Parsons Project, 10cc, Al Stewart, Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel, Kate Bush and, yes, even Paul McCartney (the drummer Stuart Tosh). Though if you think about it: the common thread of all of them is "sophisticated British pop" and an affiliation with Alan Parsons as a producer.
Martin sans trusted TBird:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pt65lPE-g4
Don't ever remember seeing him play a Ric before... 40 years... saw them at Hammersmith (iirc) and the Marquee that year... don't they go by in a flash...
Quote from: Highlander on October 28, 2017, 01:36:36 PM
Don't ever remember seeing him play a Ric before... 40 years... saw them at Hammersmith (iirc) and the Marquee that year... don't they go by in a flash...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L44iHlbemwo
I stand sit corrected... but the OCD has now kicked in so digging-in furiously... ;)
As Jeff's post above, presume this was OGWT recordings, or some such similar BBC broadcast...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxMpCKzReIA
That "Vas Dis" number drives me nuts. My brain is wired in mono, I guess. How anyone can play a complicated bass riff and sing/scat a completely different vocal riff is beyond my comprehension. If I were to attempt that, I could only sing the same notes I was playing. For him to sing the notes the guitarist is playing while playing counterpoint on the bass is just . . . just . . . Aaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! Wow! :o
Wasn't Ted Turner a real pretty boy?! Kinda a mix of Peter Frampton and a young Rory Gallagher.
I tried that bass line while singing and it's not that difficult. I can't carry a tune, that's the real problem for me.
Quote from: uwe on November 02, 2017, 11:36:30 AM
Wasn't Ted Turner a real pretty boy?! Kinda a mix of Peter Frampton and a young Rory Gallagher.
I'm not sure if Ted was............................ ;)
:gay: you mean? Not that it matters, but he very well might have been/be. Would explain his "lost weekend" of several years when he walked out on WA at the height of their success with no real reason, hiking with a donkey (nicknamed "Wishbone Ass" most appropriately) up the Chilean mountains and then ending up in California - where else? - all esoteric and stuff. I always wondered what brought him to do that. Kinda Andy Fraser'ish. Both WA biographies (by Andy Powell and Martin Turner respectively, and they don't agree on a lot) have their (moderate) share of women stories, but come to think of it Ted is never mentioned as a fly trap for women which is a surprise given his angelic looks.
He was so young when he joined WA, his mum - yes, he lived with his mum - had to sign the contracts. And she would only do that after she had met the other band members. :mrgreen: While not as experienced or technical savvy at that time as either Andy Powell (the bespectacled Flying V'ling) or other people they auditioned, they all agree they wanted him for the feeling in his playing.
Quote from: uwe on November 03, 2017, 06:51:16 PM
:gay: you mean?
Which one?
Ted Turner (http://www.tedturner.com)
Or
Martin Turner (http://www.martinturnermusic.com)
;D :mrgreen: ;)
I think there is a misunderstanding between us with illustrious results!
There are two Turners in WA (first line up):
- Martin Turner (bassist and most lead vocals, very early on: moustache)
- Ted Turner (2nd lead guitarist and occasional lead vocals, front guy in pic).
(https://images1.houstonpress.com/imager/u/original/8012056/hou_mus_122015_classicwishbone.jpg)
They are not related to another, brothers or anything (even though back then a lot of people thought so). Ted Turner (the WA guy) is the pretty guy singing Jailbait in the above vid (not that Martin Turner isn't handsome in a more rogue-ish way).
Ted Turner left WA under mysterious circumstances in 1974 and was replaced by Laurie Wisefield (ex-Home and Al Stewart). (I hasten to add that there are no credible reports that he grew a moustache or founded CNN or married a North Vietnam supporter/aerobic teacher later on in his life!) Ted returned in the late 80ies/early 90ies for a second stint with WA, Wisefield went on to play with people like Tina Turner, Joe Cocker and Roger Chapman before making a steady living mainly aping Brian May in the house band for the Queen Musical "We Will Rock You!"in London (a train wreck of a musical if I have ever seen one) which ran endlessly but died of natural causes a few years ago (thankfully so).
From what I can tell from seeing him in person and having read from Martin Turner in his biography, he is way too infatuated with women to be gay.
Now where does that leave us other than in the Ric forum? :mrgreen:
Quote from: ilan on November 03, 2017, 11:08:03 AM
I tried that bass line while singing and it's not that difficult. I can't carry a tune, that's the real problem for me.
I'm more impressed with Ray Shulman, not only playing bass and sing, but on songs like 'on reflection' plays a complex melody on a fiddle while singing another melody on top of that. Great songs to challenge your coordination skills on!
And getting us back on track... :mrgreen:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEVDZl5UvN4
Quote from: uwe on November 03, 2017, 08:46:06 PM
I think there is a misunderstanding between us with illustrious results!
There are two Turners in WA (first line up):
- Martin Turner (bassist and most lead vocals, very early on: moustache)
- Ted Turner (2nd lead guitarist and occasional lead vocals, front guy in pic).
Ah, I see. I thought this discussion was a bout the bassist, not the guitars. And secondly, I only knew about MartinTaylor and Andy Powell, none of the rest of the band. So the question remains, which TEd was a bit, um, er? You know, you brought it up! ;)
Ted Nugent...?
Quote from: Highlander on November 04, 2017, 01:33:20 PM
And getting us back on track... :mrgreen:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEVDZl5UvN4
Ah, Mr Squeaky is an ardent multi tracker of his voice, a whole school of Geddys singing there. :mrgreen: But their bass playing is immaculate.
Quote from: Jeff Scott on November 05, 2017, 02:51:03 PM
Ah, I see. I thought this discussion was a bout the bassist, not the guitars. And secondly, I only knew about MartinTaylor and Andy Powell, none of the rest of the band. So the question remains, which TEd was a bit, um, er? You know, you brought it up! ;)
I only said he was handsome which had you immediately deduce he was gay! :mrgreen:
No smoke without... Blackmore... :vader:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V0ZNOnieRM
Love their version of Shari Vari (not sure if it's in this vid - only 2 songs in at the moment).
Quite a reworked Rick there. Looks like a mini humbucker in the neck and a PAF-sized humbucker in the bridge?
And a Fender-ish bridge. It took RIC some time until they made the 4004 with those features, but it never became as popular as modded 4001's.
Samla Mammas Manna. Twisty turny Swedish progressive rock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFbx3-hl-dQ
Quote from: Highlander on November 04, 2017, 01:33:20 PM
And getting us back on track... :mrgreen:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEVDZl5UvN4
weird seeing Peart with a normal drum kit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9C2Vh1HMgc&list=RDU9C2Vh1HMgc
Quote from: Alanko on December 13, 2017, 07:52:23 AM
Samla Mammas Manna. Twisty turny Swedish progressive rock.
Priceless!
Quote from: Alanko on December 13, 2017, 07:52:23 AM
Samla Mammas Manna. Twisty turny Swedish progressive rock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFbx3-hl-dQ
I'm going to start a tribute band................. :mrgreen:
It's what a life in socialism does to young people, sigh!
Quote from: doombass on December 14, 2017, 12:53:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9C2Vh1HMgc&list=RDU9C2Vh1HMgc
I'm very set in my ways, I know, but that voice would require some getting used to by me in a more, uhum, romantic setting.
"Honey, could you roar dirty to me?!"
Some early Yes here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDd3ZDTWdRk
Early Yes strike me as a sort of lighter-footed band in the Vanilla Fudge/Deep Purple mk 1 pattern. Long, drawn out Beatles covers that go through the whole laundry list of tempos and dynamic changes to get there. A bit precocious and boring at times, but also fairly entertaining.
Two Rickenbackers! Chris Squire's and a (refinished?) 1997 RM in the hands of Peter Banks. Interesting to see Chris's bass when it still had the silver paper stuck to it. I don't buy the story that a lot of wood was shaved from his bass, as it doesn't look any thicker in this video than in any later videos.
The guitar survives:
(http://www.rickbeat.com/gallery/peterbanks/pb-1997-2.jpg)
I feel a bit bad for Peter Banks, really. Then again, one of the reasons I like Fish Out of Water is that Steve Howe isn't on it, adding his off-kilter country bends and nasal lead licks to all and sundry. By the time Yes were producing Going For the One I feel that Steve is the musically weaker link in the chain as he didn't really modernise or change up his style as the sound of the band adapted. Peter Banks might have! :mrgreen:
This one is interesting and unexpected. Glenn Cornick in Wild Turkey with a Ric!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaCwPvZShK4
A Bee Gees tribute of sorts :mrgreen: with a Ric.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZsTPLSm2co
Excuse the somewhat overbearing cymbals here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP7-dh2zgb0
They do Donna Summer too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOcp6jm_gVY
Yes I'm definitely going to copy that with my band.
I love their Hot Stuff version. Even the shredding guitar worked for me. :o
Quote from: Denis on January 05, 2018, 06:45:35 PM
This one is interesting and unexpected. Glenn Cornick in Wild Turkey with a Ric!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaCwPvZShK4
That's real nice, they should have gone farther than they went. Very pleasant lead vocals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaYTNsS_m2w
The Love Affair miming to Everlasting Love. Mick Jackson with a JG 1999RM. The actual bass player on the recording was session player Russ Stableford, who did an excellent job but did not use a Ric. Listening to the track, I'm pretty sure he recorded it with a guitar amp. But even through the tiny iPhone "speakers" at 30% volume, the bass part is still audible! And very effective. But again, sounds like a Fender.
Here's the full story (https://www.muhistory.com/an-everlasting-love-affair/) - worth reading if you're not already familiar with it.
Brummie Boy revisits Ric ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsR9zvIVMzU
Quote from: uwe on September 24, 2018, 03:46:54 PMBrummie Boy revisits Ric ...
Cool, thanks for that. I just missed Glenn recently on his Purple tour.
I posted this on FB, posting here for the Ric content.
Wish I could travel back in time and be her tambourine.
https://youtu.be/8bjzuSO27fA
Looks like a Fender Bassman amp with the 2x15 cab. 30 years ago I schlepped a similar rig, a 1969 Bassman, it weighed a ton, the cab didn't fit in the car, and the head clipped at 40% volume. Then it was stolen from the rehearsal studio. I salute the burglar for his fine taste in vintage amps and wish his chiropractor the best of luck. I moved to GK and never looked back.
I knew a guy who had a similar bassman / 2x15 rig in college. I had a similar impression of its lack of practicality.
Coincidentally for this thread, he played a Ric :)
He usually ended up borrowing my amp -- a Randall RB125 solid state head like this one https://reverb.com/item/6708514-randall-rb-125-es-bass-head-200w ... that probably maxed out at 70 or 80 watts into an 8-ohm EVM 15L in a terribly constructed homemade cab.
As modest as it was, it was a lot more portable, was audible over the drums, was super reliable, and sounded pretty decent.
And now I stick a 500W class D bass head in the pocket of my gig bag, it never clips even when dimed, and every venue or practice studio has their bass cabs. Things have changed radically. And guitar players keep carrying their tube amps... it's a great time to be a bass player.
In the late 60's and early 70's I had a Blackface Bassman amp and a 2x15 Fender cab with one JBL and one Fender speaker in it. I remember that when I was 23, it wasn't all that hard to move around if someone would give me a hand occasionally.
When I recovered that amp and cab at age 47 after a 24-year layoff from bass, I was surprised that some SOB had gotten into the cab and added 20 pounds of lead to it. It was much heavier than it was when I was a yout'.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
And today I still have the Bassman amp, but it's used for practice. I carry my 36-pound Genz-Benz Shuttle docked on its 12" cab or my 22-pound Fender Rumble 100 to gigs.
My problem is I can't find a light weight amp that have the character of my tube amps. I have a Mesa Boogie Walkabout which is the closest I've found but still no rabbit.
Quote from: doombass on October 31, 2018, 03:40:37 PM
My problem is I can't find a light weight amp that have the character of my tube amps. I have a Mesa Boogie Walkabout which is the closest I've found but still no rabbit.
They probably make D amps better now than before, but it still sucks repairing them. They come in (blown up) quite often, but it's a hassle getting parts for them. They are made to be thrown away after a year or so. Now and then, I have a customer who won't give up - like now... After dozens of mails the company (don't want to name it) finally 'let me' buy the parts I need - at a price careflly calculated to match that of a brand new unit >:( Then you wait for half a year, more mails, maybe the parts turn up. Maybe the company you bought the parts from no longer own the brand >:( >:( Well, I guess as long as my customers are satisfied... but it will annoy me forever - they CAN make them last.. but they don't.
As for the sound, agree - tubes :)
Yes, Tubes. Still waiting for cold cathode technology to arrive in a bass amp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD_0byuj0I8
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Yeah I didn't have a tube amp I liked that I was trying to match. I can see that would make the modern heads a lot less appealing!
Instead, I bought my secondhand genz-benz shuttle 6.0 almost nine years ago on talkbass for $525*, without having tried it; I figured that since they were pretty hot on talkbass at the time, I could always flip it for about what I paid if I didn't like it. I'd say I got my money's worth for sure.
It turned out I absolutely loved it, the tube input stage can be pushed into a mild overdrive that suits me well, the EQ is simple but well tuned, sounds great flat and there's hardly a bad setting on it. It is also the loudest amp I've ever owned, I've never run out of headroom on it. I even like the sound of the mid scoop button - that's a first for me!
When it eventually dies I'll have to figure out what next. Considering how much I like this one I'd probably first try out a Genzler, but there's a lot more options nowadays.
* yep, as I remembered... https://www.talkbass.com/threads/f-s-genx-benz-shuttle-6-0.514207/#post-6991449
Quote from: slinkp on November 01, 2018, 11:15:39 AM
Instead, I bought my secondhand genz-benz shuttle 6.0 almost nine years ago on talkbass for $525*, without having tried it; I figured that since they were pretty hot on talkbass at the time, I could always flip it for about what I paid if I didn't like it. I'd say I got my money's worth for sure.
It turned out I absolutely loved it, the tube input stage can be pushed into a mild overdrive that suits me well, the EQ is simple but well tuned, sounds great flat and there's hardly a bad setting on it. It is also the loudest amp I've ever owned, I've never run out of headroom on it. I even like the sound of the mid scoop button - that's a first for me!
I feel the same about my Shuttle 6.2. Sounds great, love the tube preamp, and it's about 300% louder than anything I'll ever need.
Have we seen this?
It's mislabeled. It was from John's solo album Rigor Mortis Sets In.
https://youtu.be/cGjjlbxBALE
I like the song. The LS however... ;)
Why isn't the bass glowing and changing colors? :-\
Because it's lame? Also I've heard it gets hot when lit up.
Quote from: uwe on April 15, 2019, 11:33:42 AM
Why isn't the bass glowing and changing colors? :-\
Ran out of batteries during soundcheck?
You could see a little of the lights, but the Lightshow was a gimmick that worked best on darker club stages. According to John Hall, only five Lightshow 4005 basses were made.
Quote from: Paul Boyer on April 16, 2019, 08:42:07 AM
You could see a little of the lights, but the Lightshow was a gimmick that worked best on darker club stages. According to John Hall, only five Lightshow 4005 basses were made.
I wonder how many are still out there.
Quote from: Rob on April 17, 2019, 05:03:24 PM
I wonder how many are still out there.
The listing for the one that was for sale by Guitar Broker said that only three were still known. One is or was in Japan, the photo in Paul's book is from a Japanese source.
The 331 Light Show guitar is more common. McGuinn had a 12 string 331.
Well, if you're into such things: https://www.ebay.com/itm/122945006825
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/4~gAAOSwQwZacwBa/s-l1600.jpg)
Quote from: Dave W on April 17, 2019, 11:02:35 PM
The listing for the one that was for sale by Guitar Broker said that only three were still known. One is or was in Japan, the photo in Paul's book is from a Japanese source.
The 331 Light Show guitar is more common. McGuinn had a 12 string 331.
Now I'm on a mission to see a video.
Quote from: Rob on April 18, 2019, 04:05:09 PM
Now I'm on a mission to see a video.
https://youtu.be/d7j_6XM1woQ
Thanks Dave!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYkrW7YpRpg
That's Adrew Winter's bass. 8)
Quote from: Dave W on September 04, 2019, 08:11:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYkrW7YpRpg
What a nice way to start the day!
He was not a bad bass player. From what I know that's him on the records, not a studio player.
Quote from: Jeff Scott on September 04, 2019, 08:24:10 PM
That's Adrew Winter's bass. 8)
You're right, of course, there was a thread at RRF about 10 years ago where he explained how he bought it. It wasn't directly from Maurice, it had been sold in the meantime.
Quote from: ilan on September 05, 2019, 03:15:47 PM
He was not a bad bass player. From what I know that's him on the records, not a studio player.
I believe so.
Quote from: gearHed289 on September 05, 2019, 07:55:32 AM
What a nice way to start the day!
They lost me in the disco era but they were really big in the late 60s and early 70s on FM radio in the era of Cream and Hendrix. You wouldn't think they would be played side by side with the heavy stuff, but it happened.
"Original Footage 4Th February 1968 Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPePasexF9w
I've read that they were considered "the Australian Beatles" in the early days. Maurice's bass work on Message to You certainly seems to owe something to McCartney, unless it was some kind of parallel evolution. ;D
I won one of their albums from a radio station around 1976 - "Spirits Having Flown". They were pretty much fluff at that point. I think I blew it up when disco demolition became a thing. :P
Getting off-topic, but I love the synth bass work on this one -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oALKAh_bL5g
edit - OK, there IS a Ric bass in the video!
Sid Vicious with what looks like Roger Glover's Rickenbacker?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfFbcbGaTMY
Sure looks like Glover's, unless someone else copied Glover's pickup mods.
Sid to Roger: "Hey, duuuuuuuuude, I really want to use your Rick for this vid we're doing. I promise not to destroy it like Pauly did his P Bass, really!"
Roger: Yeah sure, no prob. But, if there is so much as a (new) scratch on it, you'll end up being a Dead Boy!" :mrgreen:
Sid: Cool, man! I love those guys!"
Quote from: Jeff Scott on September 13, 2019, 09:38:02 PM
Sid to Roger: "Hey, duuuuuuuuude, I really want to use your Rick for this vid we're doing. I promise not to destroy it like Pauly did his P Bass, really!"
Roger: Yeah sure, no prob. But, if there is so much as a (new) scratch on it, you'll end up being a Dead Boy!" :mrgreen:
Sid: Cool, man! I love those guys!"
:mrgreen:
You have to hand it to Sid, though. He's been dead for 40 years now and yet his bass skills haven't deteriorated at all.
Well, they haven't improved either. ;D
I don't think it was Roger's bass after all
His bass was black
(http://archives.rickresource.com/oldattachments/37523.jpg)
The bass in the SexPistols video looks like a Fireglo
(https://lastfm-img2.akamaized.net/i/u/770x0/8e64d648ec4c45da86b232486187e334.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/56/40/e9/5640e9ba226235400969f63dce8bd409.jpg)
Unless Roger had his bass refinished.
Must be Nazareth's Pete Agnew's bass. His was Fireglo. Identical nick above the upper tip of the pickguard.
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/56/40/e9/5640e9ba226235400969f63dce8bd409.jpg)(http://archives.rickresource.com/oldattachments/17352.jpg)(http://www.rickresource.com/stt-research/nazarethagnew.jpg)
That must be it.
Shame that photos of a swastika have been posted, here. What are Ilan's thoughts on this?
I think (and hope) people here see Sidney as a fashion victim rather than a political spokesman. I'd say it's even less offending than seeing pictures of ww2 planes with swastikas, as they actually killed people. But the educational factor is definitely lower, although I did wonder back in the day if that Ric was real. I must add, when I was 13 Sid was my hero and I copied his hair and painted a P bass white because of him. I saw Rock'n'roll Swindle many times, but even at that age hated the stupid t shirt he was wearing.
Seeing him making bad decisions kept me from doing heroin, I guess🙂
Why would we want to ignore history? IMHO that's a lot more dangerous than posting a video and pics of what Sid was actually wearing. Nobody is endorsing it.
Ilan's the moderator, he can make whatever decision he wants.
Quote from: Jeff Scott on September 14, 2019, 11:15:17 PM
Shame that photos of a swastika have been posted, here. What are Ilan's thoughts on this?
Personally I'm not offended by symbols. Sid was a provocator and not the brightest guy but I'd take him any day over real neo-nazis.
If anyone here is even slightly offended by this pic, please let me know and I'll remove it immediately.
I'm sorry if anyone feels offended.
I never looked at it that way.
To me the picture just emphasizes what an idiot Sid Vicious was.
Im not proud of it now, but likewise 14 year old me idolised Sid, but even then I was aware that his swastika was for shock value rather than a political position, he was a thug, not very bright, and easily led.
Back then all us punks knew was that the swastika made Grannies clutch their pearls, and didn't really stop to think why, we just did whatever got a rise out of the older generation.
looking back now I cringe at our naivety
Quote from: Basvarken on September 15, 2019, 04:40:29 AM
To me the picture just emphasizes what an idiot Sid Vicious was.
True Story
Quote from: Basvarken on September 15, 2019, 04:40:29 AMTo me the picture just emphasizes what an idiot Sid Vicious was.
BINGO!
I'm known here for not liking the Sex Pistols, but whether they sang "Belsen was a gas" in poor taste or that idiot Sid wore a swastika muscle shirt - there was nothing fascist about them. It was all adolescent shock value. And remember Jimmy Page's SS cap, Nazi chic intrigues some people. But if Ilan or someone else was offended by it, off it would go.
A tale of two Rics that were actually one (or twins): Roger's Ric was both black and red at different points in time (or he had more than one) and what Pete Agnew plays is (one of) Roger's Ric(s). Very likely at Roger's recommendation as he was Nazareth's producer and guiding light at the time. The Nazareth albums Razamanaz (73), Loud 'N' Proud (73) & Rampant (74) were all Glover productions and on Razamanaz (the album) the Ric sound is especially prominent, just listen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ9dLydLvZ0
That is not Pete Agnew's short scale EB-3 which Glover found lacking in the studio. For years, rumors persisted in Purple fan quarters that Glover actually played bass on Razamanaz (the album), but he has denied this when I once asked him in a q&a on his home site.
Now how Roger's Machine Head, Made in Japan & Who Do We Think We Are-anointed Ric got into the grimy little hands of Sid (I'd have no issues if Glen Matlock had played it) is another matter altogether. I have no idea.
Glen Matlock did play a Ric but it wasn't molested with Jazz pickups.
Quote from: uwe on September 17, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
Now how Roger's Machine Head, Made in Japan & Who Do We Think We Are-anointed Ric got into the grimy little hands of Sid (I'd have no issues if Glen Matlock had played it) is another matter altogether. I have no idea.
Guess you have to ask him, then!
Quote from: amptech on September 17, 2019, 11:05:40 PM
Guess you have to ask him, then!
Sid responds to seances? Oh wait... :mrgreen:
Quote from: Dave W on September 18, 2019, 03:38:30 PM
Sid responds to seances? Oh wait... :mrgreen:
Have you lost your seances?? ;) ;)
All you have to do is spin a safety pin and a syringe very fast on the seance table. Plus a knife. That'll do for an appointment with the Demon Lord Vicious!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/96/cc/60/96cc60398f85c99338cb59202f8a0120.jpg)
Quote from: Dave W on September 17, 2019, 09:46:20 PM
Glen Matlock did play a Ric but it wasn't molested with Jazz pickups.
I'm curious what two J pickups placed like that were for, were they played together but inverted for a big humbucker effect?
Quote from: wellREDman on September 21, 2019, 03:47:33 PM
I'm curious what two J pickups placed like that were for, were they played together but inverted for a big humbucker effect?
Could be, or just a big non-humbucking series sound.
Never much of a single coil man (he played Precisions and Mustangs, but never a Jazz), Roger most likely went for parallel humbucking mode. When playing bass with Purple in their 70ies heydays, he was foremost concerned with (i) being heard on stage between all the melée Lord, Paice und Blackmore were making, (ii) not too much distortion or overdrive in his tone, and (iii) (I quote) "not sounding like frigging Chris Squire" with his Ric.
That's him on the Ric in late 1971 - prior to the Jazz Bass pup implants. He first played Rickenbacker on Machine Head (In Rock was Precision, Fireball the Mustang) - the Fender whose headstock graces the Machine Head back sleeve was not used in the recording - and kept it for Who Do We Think We Are (albeit by then modified with the Jazz pups). Typical for Roger's style is that he plays the verse mostly on the off-beat (an exercise repeated for Woman from Tokyo and also audible on No One Came from Fireball), something you don't really notice in the band sound unless you single out his bass line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnQ2Q_3pQdg
Quote from: uwe on September 24, 2019, 03:55:41 AM
Never much of a single coil man
And yet the bass tone most identified with him is the epitome of singlecoilness and his signature model Vigier has two single coils.
so i went to look at the vigier website to see if it said anything about how he wired the 2 single coil pups
and the mystery deepens, ...Switch: balance, Pots: volume bass, middle and treble and Balance why would you need two balance controls?
That Glover model is buried with controls, I always wondered too. It provides an extremely even, hifi'ish sound, but that is the way Roger likes it (with DP at least).
The Vigiers have such a boosted active sound, I wonder whether humbucker or single coil pups make any difference at all. But as long as Roger is happy with it ...
When he plays his natural fin Vigier (not used with Purple) with his other outfit though, his sound is completely different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asXMHCN7m9A
Quote from: wellREDman on September 25, 2019, 02:57:08 PM
so i went to look at the vigier website to see if it said anything about how he wired the 2 single coil pups
and the mystery deepens, ...Switch: balance, Pots: volume bass, middle and treble and Balance why would you need two balance controls?
One is a switch and the other is a pot. Makes perfect sense. In a Les Paul or Ric 4001, you can balance the two pickups to your liking, then you can switch between neck, both or bridge, but if in the middle position you want, for example, full neck and 50% bridge, that means that when you solo the bridge you get a volume drop. With a switch and a balance knob you can avoid it.
Ah, now we know. Though I never really see Roger using those knobs much during a concert.
To give Vigier some credit - you always hear his bass extremely well at DP gigs. And one gig I saw where his Vigier sound was missing because Nicky Fyffe deputized for him (Roger had a knee operation) and played some other, more passive sounding bass, the difference was glaring, all that shiny percussive trebly bass drive so typical for Purple was missing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ormFiAJLKdo
(And there he plays his natural Vigier at a Purple gig after all!)
Quote from: ilan on September 26, 2019, 07:21:55 AM
One is a switch and the other is a pot. Makes perfect sense. In a Les Paul or Ric 4001, you can balance the two pickups to your liking, then you can switch between neck, both or bridge, but if in the middle position you want, for example, full neck and 50% bridge, that means that when you solo the bridge you get a volume drop. With a switch and a balance knob you can avoid it.
aaah ok that makes sense
We saw Steve Hackett last night (Genesis Revisited)! :) They did the Spectral Mornings and Selling England by the Pound albums. Lots of use of a FG 4003 by Jonas Reingold, along with his Wal double neck (12 string guitar/4 string bass), a fretless Jazz Bass, and some PRS single-cut style guitar (don't know what it was).
Phenomenal show; the played for almost three hours. They also performed "Dance on a Volcano", and Los Endos", along with some new songs by Steve, and he dedicated a song to his great friend, Chris Squire! 8)
This video is from a few months earlier, in Europe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVJvY358aMQ
Sounds like a great show! He's here in Chicago on Saturday. Wish I could go, but I had a gig come up. :-\
Did Jonas balance his Ric on his forehead at the end of the show? He did when I saw them this year.
Quote from: uwe on October 04, 2019, 12:12:25 PM
Did Jonas balance his Ric on his forehead at the end of the show? He did when I saw them this year.
Yes, he did, and then threw it off to stage left, where I assume someone caught it! :mrgreen:
And people say that Rics don't balance well, tsk, tsk, tsk, little do they know ...
Quote from: uwe on October 09, 2019, 07:40:54 AM
And people say that Rics don't balance well, tsk, tsk, tsk, little do they know ...
Who ever said that?! Rossmeisl's original 4000 Series design was the first bass with elongated top horn. If there's one thing about Rics that
everybody agrees on is that they balance perfectly. Unlike, uhh, Gibsons maybe?
Quote from: ilan on October 09, 2019, 09:32:09 AM
Who ever said that?! Rossmeisl's original 4000 Series design was the first bass with elongated top horn. If there's one thing about Rics that everybody agrees on is that they balance perfectly. Unlike, uhh, Gibsons maybe?
The first bass with an elongated top horn? Fender Precision, 1951. :)
You're right that there's no problem with balance on the 4000/4001/4003.
Quote from: ilan on October 09, 2019, 09:32:09 AM
Who ever said that?! Rossmeisl's original 4000 Series design was the first bass with elongated top horn. If there's one thing about Rics that everybody agrees on is that they balance perfectly. Unlike, uhh, Gibsons maybe?
I didn't want to say anything... 8)
No neck dive!
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/295253_3921828802682_984244981_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQmLp0bv7xJKyd3DGf3rpFYEfj8SY1ue0DGrZndi1coYJorZDhKym3gK0aIqGaZU_ww&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=f7f0ffa432c649503d766ae62087b179&oe=5E286B37)
With all due respect, liebe Rickies, but your beloved instruments might not dive, but they do straighten out/go horizontal - unlike Fenders. Now I don't have issues with that - I like my bass nearly horizontal rather than angled
to my fretting hand, but other people (Fenderistas especially) don't.
Huh? maybe your S/8 does that, understandably, but both my 4-stringers have perfect balance, certainly better than my 70's P's and J which balance well but not perfectly.
Quote from: ilan on October 16, 2019, 02:07:43 PM
Huh? maybe your S/8 does that, understandably, but both my 4-stringers have perfect balance, certainly better than my 70's P's and J which balance well but not perfectly.
Hear hear, my '75 Rick 4001 balances well. My '74 P balances too - if you are fit enough to lift it!
Claudio Simonetti's Goblin. Apparently he is famous for doing soundtracks to Italian horror movies in the 70s. I just saw this lineup Sunday night in Chicago. They rolled the movie Deep Red and played the soundtrack bits live. I would have liked more music and less movie, but it was interesting. You might recognize the bass player Cecilia Nappo from the band Black Mamba, whose cover of Highway Boobs... I mean Star. Highway STAR was posted somewhere on the Outpost not too long ago. She can play!
Music starts at 1:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMYy6iPbkeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stNQZGNtfPk
THAT was entertaining! Hats off to Mr. Benet. ;D
Have this been up yet? Two ricks, 12 strings :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-PFWBzrbs8
Lemmy could have needed a bass guitarist to back up his "downtuned rhythm guitar" more often!
Not knocking him, just enjoyed the new remasters of the Overkill and Bomber albums. He actually played a bit of bass on those still. :mrgreen:
https://youtu.be/Z0J-A6qjim4
Pretty amazing production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-6QNshZyL4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-6QNshZyL4)
Quote from: Jeff Scott on May 07, 2020, 12:33:43 AM
Pretty amazing production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-6QNshZyL4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-6QNshZyL4)
I've seen his one man Genesis. Mind blowing! And now this. Wow.
Like the opening scene of the innards of the Melotron!
Quote from: Paul Boyer on May 07, 2020, 02:40:35 PM
Like the opening scene of the innards of the Melotron!
Yep, loved that! Almost better than the very colorful comments Peter Gabriel said regarding Tony Banks' Mellotron the first time I saw Genesis (04/15/1973).
Kickass player. And killer v63 tone. He's got some really cool vintage keyboards there.
Can't we ever have nice music here - with a decent melody?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pk3A_QSINI
That was quite nice. Made me feel 21 again. :)
Obscure German PROG with fantasy overtones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMHLkcc9I9c
I was about to say they're Great Danes, but they are from Sweden:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQglehNOoyg
Nice, you rarely hear bands inspired by Krokus these days :P
The vid I posted in the V bass videos thread lead me to this. Les Claypool covering Rush on a Ric. Thankfully no bare midriffs here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fULwDbZ4iSU
That is something you don't see very often: Jim Lea with a 4001, "Macca-ing" his way through Nobody's Fool ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_OzuxGDqBY
With that black tug-bar and knobs layout, could we be looking at an Ibanez Ric copy?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/14Sq31SlzIO-ur7HzgyFFxSgf4HaKuYVxAWC7AMRcQHZWBbW9tyJrDOzx6ihWnPOeQsP3PO1HhwfbHXTM9C9Sui3XJ6dQRv-mi740mNOgZs9rSzwc6Q)
Quote from: ilan on September 30, 2020, 02:51:42 PM
With that black tug-bar and knobs layout, could we be looking at an Ibanez Ric copy?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/14Sq31SlzIO-ur7HzgyFFxSgf4HaKuYVxAWC7AMRcQHZWBbW9tyJrDOzx6ihWnPOeQsP3PO1HhwfbHXTM9C9Sui3XJ6dQRv-mi740mNOgZs9rSzwc6Q)
Maybe a Rockingbetter? :)
Rockinbetter (Tokai) didn't have the black tug bar. Some Ibanez and Greco's did.
Quote from: ilan on October 01, 2020, 05:44:18 AM
Rockinbetter (Tokai) didn't have the black tug bar. Some Ibanez and Greco's did.
I agree. I just reply 'maybe it's a Rockingbetter' whenever the guitarshop above my workshop comes down with a guitar that needs fixing.
The shop owner once knocked on my door, slightly embarrassed, as he got this 70's Rickenbacker 4001 in for string change. He put on a new longscale set, but the E was too short. He asked if Rick bridges was positioned so far back he needed extra long strings, but I replied Ricks are not even 34". After another 10 minutes he knocked again, and asked me to please check the bass - as he had opened another set with no luck. I just looked at him and said 'but it's a Rockingbetter, not a Rickenbacker!' He thought I was joking and had to look twice at the headstock. So now everything with an issue is a Rockingbetter :)
Cool story. But what really was the problem with the strings? I mean, even if Rockinbetters are 34" there shouldn't be a problem.
Well, the E winding narrowed just before the nut. Can't remember the exact sets he used, but I think the first was a swing bass set and the next a regular d'addario. Both long, I'm sure. It was an old instrument, bridge looked stock. I took a pic I think, let me check the computer..
If the outer winding did'nt reach the nut I'd say the string anchor point on the bridge must be way further away than on an authentic Ric. Also probably 34" scale. In my experience experience on (stringthrough body) The Ripper that for example D'Addario regular longscale strings miss the outer wrap at the nut by about 5 mm.
Quote from: doombass on October 03, 2020, 06:10:13 PM
If the outer winding did'nt reach the nut I'd say the string anchor point on the bridge must be way further away than on an authentic Ric. Also probably 34" scale.
It was 34".
Quote from: doombass on October 03, 2020, 06:10:13 PM
In my experience experience on (stringthrough body) The Ripper that for example D'Addario regular longscale strings miss the outer wrap at the nut by about 5 mm.
Same here. Found the pic I took, regular D'Addario longs:
(https://i.imgur.com/9FXCALU.jpg)
Ric bridges don't have an afterlength. There must have been a medium scale E string in the package.
Quote from: ilan on October 05, 2020, 03:25:31 AM
Ric bridges don't have an afterlength. There must have been a medium scale E string in the package.
I don't think so. I have EB Slinkys on my 4003S, the windings narrow at 1 3/16" past the nut. D'addario longs have a 1" shorter winding length ( EB 37" vs D'addario 36") so with a 34" scale, the D'addario windings would stop short of the nut.
Quote from: ilan on October 05, 2020, 03:25:31 AM
Ric bridges don't have an afterlength. There must have been a medium scale E string in the package.
Hardly - I saw one pack of long scale swing bass set and one long scale D'Addario XL long scale, both too short. This was the only pic I took of the bass, so I don't know if the instrument was modified, but I don't think it was.
I got curious. The Rockinbetter seems to have the bridge saddles located just about where the mute assembly is located on a Ric bridge.
(https://www.talkbass.com/attachments/_57-jpg.2618059/)
And there's your afterlength.
4005!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q918fs4RAto
Good find!
Quote from: the mojo hobo on November 02, 2020, 06:47:01 PM
4005!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q918fs4RAto
I'm embarrassed to say that I thought that song was by Jefferson Airplane. :o Really enjoyed that.
And for our friend Uwe - some Brit band borrowed this theme from them...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zANOhnrdTZg
I saw them open for Frank Zappa in the early 70's. They were great!
Flaming Youth, featuring a pre-Genesis Phil Collins and some dude on a nice FG RM1999.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0egAOYOENw&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR07qHE3mx2cKRenETr-b0Fogx3vweOhOOCkPzP8yKEkcbJGPU65rxCW1Hk
Tiran Porter, this time with a Ric...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ9WHaSKlgU&ab_channel=111blanandrive
Okay this is so creepy. He's my identical twin.
Looks like a '72. 4001 Mapleglo of course. Note the full-width inlays and bass pickup about ½" from the fingerboard. Although not visible in the video, it has checker binding as well. Niiiice!
Quote from: ilan on December 27, 2020, 09:49:39 AM
Okay this is so creepy. He's my identical twin.
I see it, but is it just the bassface? :P
Quote from: ilan on December 27, 2020, 09:49:39 AM
Okay this is so creepy. He's my identical twin.
:mrgreen:
Quote from: Granny Gremlin on December 27, 2020, 01:49:14 PM
I see it, but is it just the bassface? :P
That's Pat Simmons... Tiran Porter has a better complexion... ;)
Quote from: Highlander on December 27, 2020, 04:37:12 PM
:mrgreen:
That's Pat Simmons... Tiran Porter has a better complexion... ;)
Yes I know. I meant Simmons. In some pictures we look the same, in others not so much. Here, for example, is a doppelganger pic. We also have the exact same hair:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Doobie_Brothers_-_Patrick_Simmons.jpg)
Compare. He's 61 in this pic, I'm 58, so roughly the same age.
You need a mustache and he needs to part his hair neater, but yeah.
Quote from: Granny Gremlin on December 28, 2020, 06:57:36 AM
You need a mustache and he needs to part his hair neater, but yeah.
8) 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: gearHed289 on November 03, 2020, 08:44:35 AM
And for our friend Uwe - some Brit band borrowed this theme from them...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zANOhnrdTZg
They sure did and never denied it! The DP guys liked the respective IABD album und heard it collectively to death. Then at one session in 1969, Jon Lord started playing the intro slowed down (a bow to Vanilla Fudge's lasting influence on the Purps), Ian Gillan improvised some lyrics over it and the rest is as they say history. Though never a single, it become one of DP's most popular songs and established Gillan's trademark passagio/falsetto.
The IABD guys und gals were aware of the steal, but rather than starting litigation (as they no doubt could have, unless ... see below!), they returned in kind and stole a song from DP (Wring That Neck/Hard Road from DP's second album Book of Talisyn) for their next album (which DP likewise accepted, they even received a letter from IABD announcing it beforehand!).
Of course, if you are a cynic with a worldweary view, then IABD's reticence in asserting their rights might have been down to entirely different reasons ... Listen here at 01:50:
https://youtu.be/fOvBR5yJLcE
Sound familiar? :mrgreen: Legend has it that the original writer, tenor saxophonist Vince Wallace, taught IABD violinist David LaFlamme the song (allegedly written in 1962) in 1966 at a joint gig. Initially, IABD would credit it to Wallace at their gigs (as a modern jazzer, he was someone you could pride yourself with). But come the release of IABD's debut in 1969, the band had - oops! - seemingly forgotten about Wallace's songwriting and credited the track conveniently to LaFlamme, Wallace would later reappear with at least a co-credit on IABD album sleeves.
Of course, I'm not insinuating anything. It's a great melody, irrespective of who plays it. In the end, probably some Indian snake charmer we'll never hear about wrote it. :mrgreen:
Some further background:
http://www.originals.be/en/originals/650
BTW: I find Wallace's treatment of the melody intriguing and very musical (it reappears a couple of times in his rendition, each time altered a little) - too bad there is no CD release of it.
PS: Herr Wallace seems to have taken it all rather hard ...
https://www.bluoz.com/iabd/vince.html
... but perhaps he also wasn't the most skillful guy when it came down to securing and asserting his intellectual property. He died in 2012, ironically the same year Jon Lord left us. I guess the two now have ample time and opportunity to sort it out among themselves!
https://youtu.be/JS31uQpPA88
Excellent! I wouldn't normally think of a Ric and a Soul Train performance going together. That was a huge hit.
I have probably posted this already, but it is a great song and features a Fireglo 4001.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2AxRoeCJKo&list=RDW2AxRoeCJKo&index=1
Great song. I never would have guessed it was a Ric though. The bass sounds like a typical 60's short-scale hollow body.
Les and Primus on tour covering Rush's complete A Farewell to Kings album. Xanadu with the double neck 4080.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S70s2qsMvI
Have we seen this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yPTZmblOeY
Nice. Beautiful bass. That's a very dark FG.
Quote from: amptech on August 20, 2021, 03:54:17 AM
Have we seen this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yPTZmblOeY
Yes, but it's been a while. 8)
I have! Always a favorite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw5LfFQlBSs
For once, pleasant music with a Ric.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqufpeDjDtQ
Nice piano solo.
Demonstrating that the bridge pickup cover can be used for percussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnIgXtE4K5U
Among other things. Fender pickup covers can do that too.
There have been a few times, mainly at jams, when I have gotten lost enough that I just use a flat hand across all the strings as percussion to keep the beat. Eventually, as Arlo Guthrie said, "it comes back around on the gee-tar" and I can get back in.
The Ric handrest is more clicky, while the Fender pickup cover is like a piccolo cowbell; I hit it with the pick and the palm to muffle the pitch.
Contrary to Glover's opinion, I think he sounded his best with this unmodified Ric. DP's Machine Head and Yes's Fragile were what turned me on to Rics.
Now that's rare, Tony Hicks on the Ric.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl5vi9ir49g
More Ric playing here, both by him and the then "real" bassist (Bernie Calvert), Tony really digs in with his pick!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1sLdiG7Rck
That's the line-up I saw in 1976/77, they were impeccable live.
Jetglo 4000, very high on my wish list
https://youtu.be/1nEyFt3pwM8
Shame that it is lip synched, not a real performance.
1966
https://youtu.be/j9eWGdJIW74
Rics can be funky fo sho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfBbzbAazbM
More info on the bassist Leon Sylvers from above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1_WzLnPRnc
We saw this band last night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehx8cjeBR7g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehx8cjeBR7g)
Les Kinks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SExb3-_tsHU
Eric Idle on bass
https://youtu.be/DRL6iDVntwQ
4005WB... the bass we wish had sounded nearly as good as it looks
But in the hands of a master bassist like Eric Idle, it sounds great. :mrgreen:
Quote from: ilan on September 26, 2022, 01:29:15 AM
4005WB... the bass we wish had sounded nearly as good as it looks
Mine always sounded great.
I posted this the other day on FB. Hard number to do live. Bass certainly isn't prominent, but it is a Ric.
Chas T Gray on bass.
https://youtu.be/Z0J-A6qjim4
Ha, this is a rare one! Busta Jones, the bassist recommended by Mick Jagger to the Sharks to replace Andy Fraser ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJLmFOrLrro
I'm guessing some of the guys who like mayonnaise on their fries here may have heard of this band. Killer stuff all the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE-LD2EcASo
I like their style.
BTW give me homemade garlic aioli for my fries rather than ketckup any day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=aG-x1VbHRFg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=aG-x1VbHRFg)
This range really sounds more natural sung by a woman.
Whenever diese Amerikaner get their hands on things ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AbIyP7xmVE
I actually liked Starcastle better than YES.
Quote from: Jeff Scott on November 26, 2022, 06:45:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=aG-x1VbHRFg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=aG-x1VbHRFg)
The bass player plays guitar and keyboards with Blue Oyster Cult.
I still listen to Yes...a lot. They are very creative, although some stuff works better than others.
Rush too...
Quote from: ilan on December 02, 2022, 03:37:29 PM
The bass player plays guitar and keyboards with Blue Oyster Cult.
Yup, Richie Castellano, he started out as BÖC's stand-in bass player after Danny Miranda left for a while and then took over the position of Allen Lanier after he left the fold too (and BÖC got a variety of bassists in until Miranda eventually returned).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngg2E-smJRI
Isn't he the relative of someone here? He also contributes songwriting to BÖC - and occasional lead vocals, talented guy. Also no slouch on lead guitar (that's his solo from 3:23 onwards) - playing in a band with Buck Dharma that is saying something!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H0iX-_Vts0
Will Lee aping McCartney on the bass.
It's kind of fun also seeing/hearing four different singers doing their best McCartney vocal impressions within the first three minutes.
Will gives a McCartney lead vocal a go later on, at 11:10.
Cool fuzz bass tone at 7:00 as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiHhkF6Y6wk
https://youtu.be/tio5fVxi5DM
Nice pre-73 Ric! They way they should be. Dark FG that looks almost like BG. And a great song.
https://youtu.be/kXuypU4qjj8
It's hard to believe that this drivel came out of the same group that produced the amazing music of Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall! :o
Fair play to Roger Waters for diligently miming to that song. I think it was Syd Barrett's last stab at a single? It's a mess of ideas, with that slightly uncoordinated guitar running through it.
Quote from: Paul Boyer on December 31, 2022, 09:23:52 AM
It's hard to believe that this amazing music came out of the same group that produced the drivel of Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall! :o
Fixed it for ya! :mrgreen:
I think it has its quintessentially English 60ies Psychedelia charm - like The Beatles on a bad trip. And it has about the same amount of musical ideas within three minutes that The Wall has spread over four album sides. Quirkiness over sourpuss solemnity! :-*
Even though I'm more a Wish You Were Here (the album) guy myself. The Wall sounds pretentious to me. Dark Side Of The Moon is too glossy.
Quote from: uwe on January 06, 2023, 10:23:16 AM
Dark Side Of The Moon is too glossy.
It certainly wasn't perceived that way in 1973 when I saw the tour that June. :)
Cardiacs! Like the Beatles on something speedy. 4003 content as well!
https://youtu.be/NVjSycDJatc
Um...what the hell was that? :mrgreen:
Quote from: Dave W on January 07, 2023, 07:56:26 AM
Um...what the hell was that? :mrgreen:
I likr it more than Aerosmith
Quote from: Rob on January 07, 2023, 05:06:53 PM
I likr it more than Aerosmith
I wouldn't go that far! :mrgreen:
If anything, they sound like Split Enz on speed. Weirdo bands seem naturally attracted to Rics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ_BoFMx4Mc
Ooooh nice RM
Quote from: Jeff Scott on January 06, 2023, 05:29:29 PM
It certainly wasn't perceived that way in 1973 when I saw the tour that June. :)
Live was a different matter. That Alan Parsons sheen from the record wasn't there and it's not apparent on the follow-up albums WYWH and Animals either (where he wasn't engineering or producing uncredited). DSOTM is to my ears the most commercial sounding Floyd album, more so than The Wall even. I prefer a more somber sounding Floyd, but given DSOTM's mass appeal what do I know.
I only saw Floyd once (I've seen Waters and Gilmour a few times solo since then though) - January 1977 on the Animals Tour. They (+ Snowy White - playing the Les Paul in the pic below - and Dick Parry on occasional sax) played Animals in full, took a break, then played WYWH in full and encored with Money and Time, I guess they were at that point tired of playing too much from DSOTM which they had toured heavily in previous years. Gilmour's extended lap steel solo during Shine On You Crazy Diamond - one of the few moments of the gig where they dared to deviate from the recorded version - was the highlight for me. I thought the flying pig stuff silly though.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/56/76/bd/5676bda919b357313628407374b3a861.jpg)
Floyd became very entrenched with playing long set lists with minimal deviation from the previous night to the next. I find bootlegs of that era really ploddy and dull to listen through. They had so many side projects (unmusical, more around equipment hire, studios etc) that gigging was just a means to keep the money coming in.
I think Roger Waters had the worst bass tone of any of the prog rock cohort in a live setting. A rubbery 'bong' for each note, sometimes getting out of tune. I don't understand how he was trying to play like McCartney in 1967 but devolved into basic root-fifth-octave stuff a few years later.
He's a really heavy-handed bass player too, digs in like a ploughman, I assume his action must be high enough to slide a peanut butter sandwich through without the strings being touched. Yet it has real authority live when he can be bothered to play the bass himself.
The more subtle and musical parts on the records were frequently played by Gilmour - also anything on fretless. In Waters' songwriting and live presentation universe the bass was just an afterthought. His sparse, yet iconic bass on Another Brick in the Wall was producer Bob Ezrin's idea (and he also used Ezrin's legendary P Bass for it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER05vQI8DpM
His original bass line had been a lot busier and proggier in its syncopation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcGegiK6yg4
He's the genius who wrote The Wall, he played the bass like on Money that every bass player has learned, that should be enough. So he's not Tony Levin.
Floyd were never a technical/instrumental prowess band, they were creators of soundscapes and moods. Nothing wrong with that. But their slow-moving, often primal music was miles away from bands such as Yes, Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, Genesis and ELP.
David Gilmour is a great guitarist, but his deserved reputation is based on his feel and taste, not on the complexities of his parts.
https://youtu.be/8DylQaiFL30
How to put a Rick to work in a Floydian context.
It looks fantastic but sounds pale. Back then only two guys exploited what a Ric can do. Chris Squire and Roger Glover.
Quote from: ilan on January 19, 2023, 12:24:18 PM
It looks fantastic but sounds pale. Back then only two guys exploited what a Ric can do. Chris Squire and Roger Glover.
Mike Rutherford did a pretty fine job as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2js9Z6rtENA
One of my favorite Genesis songs!
They did that song when I saw them for the first time on April 14, 1973. :)
Okay, and Jon Camp in Renaissance.
Quote from: gearHed289 on January 21, 2023, 10:36:22 AM
Mike Rutherford did a pretty fine job as well.
At this point there were many good rick players, let's add Lemmy and Jon Camp to the list🙂
EDIT: Ilan beat me there..
Quote from: ilan on January 21, 2023, 11:29:01 AM
Okay, and Jon Camp in Renaissance.
Jon Camp came a wee bit later, no? I struggle to enjoy his playing. Maybe because he looked like a sleazy cocktail waiter? His solos in live versions of Ashes are Burning are rudimentary and fairly musically bankrupt.
Quote from: Alanko on January 24, 2023, 07:59:55 AM
Jon Camp ..... looked like a sleazy cocktail waiter...
:mrgreen:
He was a guitarist until he saw Yes. Here is how he answered the who-were-your-influences question in an interview: "In one word, Chris Squire."
I particularly like Jon's bass line as a sort of counterpoint to Annie's vocals in "Ocean Gypsy".
Quote from: ilan on January 19, 2023, 12:24:18 PM
It looks fantastic but sounds pale. Back then only two guys exploited what a Ric can do. Chris Squire and Roger Glover.
The irony being that Roger's trademark sound came about more by accident (pick, Ric & Marshall because there was nothing else to experiment with in the unheated Montreux hotel where DP recorded Machine Head and in an effort by Roger to finally get heard after neither the P Bass on In Rock nor the Mustang on Fireball had worked out) and he never even really liked it! He would have preferred a much cleaner and rounder sound, but just couldn't get it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-hTHPrbAC4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsBqHWvJJ4A
That Ric made a reappearance in the hands of Pete Agnew on Nazareth's Razamanaz, their first album with Roger in the producer's seat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYsjB4_1deM
CME usually post good videos but this one is baffling. Shit-eating-grin bassist going all the 'in the pocket' bass face shite, but totally not getting the feel of Heart of the Sunrise at all. The drummer seems to be out off by this.
https://youtu.be/nI3M7YW86H0
14 seconds were enough for me.
That was awful. Too slow, then too fast, the bassist never settling in, and the drummer still looking for him. :o
Yup. All the chattery stuff Bill Bruford plays on the original only works as they were working with a clear consensus between the bass and drums. What this guy is playing is a straight reading of the bass line Chris Squire hints and pecks at on the original.
Sort of strange they never went for a second take.
I'll give the bassist props for using a Strymon Flint (I've had mine since the mid '10s).
You know, if you can't play weird meters, just don't ...
A-bys-mal.
https://youtu.be/gE429_4YhSs
Re: CME YES cover - Hmm, well I'm sure that was fun, but it's not something I'd post on the world wide web.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz1TEHiMXGc
Ah,the 8 man Super Yes! I saw that lineup from the 3rd row in Chicago (Rosemont). Pretty great concert, I'm glad I went.
My old '08 4003 with the mods I did to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaNoa05xMh8
Did you put a toaster at the bridge position too? Or am I remembering a different bass?
Nice of your bandmates to make you so visible.
Quote from: Dave W on March 22, 2023, 09:25:41 PM
Did you put a toaster at the bridge position too? Or am I remembering a different bass?
Nice of your bandmates to make you so visible.
Stage logistics aren't always the best, sometimes. And, personally, I am just fine with being "out of the way" as I am not really a singer but I have to contribute what I can (not that song in particular, though); note the boom stand with my Audix OM5. You'll also see my old 4001V63 sitting on a stand off to my left a couple times.
As to the toaster question, the bridge toaster was on my old '04 4003FL that a RRF member has owned since December '06. The JG 4003 I am playing in that video has a re-built (by Dale Fortune) early '60s horseshoe pickup in it, as seen in the photos, above.
Sorry, I couldn't tell from the photos that it was a real horseshoe in there.
I'd say optimized rather than modded... beautiful bass Jeff.
Quote from: ilan on March 23, 2023, 11:48:04 AM
I'd say optimized rather than modded... beautiful bass Jeff.
I'll say! Call it "Enhanced"
Quote from: Dave W on March 23, 2023, 07:53:21 AM
Sorry, I couldn't tell from the photos that it was a real horseshoe in there.
It is hard to tell, sometimes! Here is a photo of the pickup before I bought it and put in the first of three basses it was in (May '08 4003, April '98 4001V63, March '73 4001, of which it is still in that last bass).
Quote from: ilan on March 23, 2023, 11:48:04 AM
I'd say optimized rather than modded... beautiful bass Jeff.
Thanks, Ilan! I try not to do things that are too crazy. :mrgreen:
Note that the pickguard on it (from Pickguardian) is made of the same material as the inlays. Tony also made one for me from the stock white material; both were sent on with the bass when I sold it years ago.
Quote from: Rob on March 23, 2023, 12:39:23 PM
I'll say! Call it "Enhanced"
Perhaps, a V67 prototype? ;D
Most of the time, when you see Pilot in their 70ies vids, they are just miming in some top twenty show. Not here, they could actually play that exquisitely crafted British pop (somewhere between Badfinger, Hollies, Supertramp and 10cc) live - with a Ric played by David Paton of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsQCQWvx_5w
I did email with David Paton not too long ago and asked him about the Ric. He said he had to have it at the time though it was expensive, but he was into all these prog bands "and a Rickenbacker 4001 was just the bass to play if you wanted to be like them". He regrets selling it after Pilot disbanded.
A good Scottish band!
I was surprised by that video as I assumed they were a bit of a pretty-boy studio creation. Seeing them play live was interesting! The singer is flat quite often, but he probably didn't have monitors.
I read an interview with David Paton (I think?) a while ago. Brian Wilson (I think?) had loved the song, especially the line 'Never believe it's not so'.
Yeah, that was Brian Wilson when David Paton was taken to him backstage after some gig. Paton was seriously chuffed by it, who wouldn't be.
And it's true, Pilot are often thrown into this 70ies Chinn-Chapman or Martin-Coulter (BCR, Kenny, Slik) hit machine assembly line bag, but that is not them at all, they were serious musicians playing and writing their own songs.
Paton not only played and sang on all those Alan Parsons Project releases, but also followed Dee Murray's footsteps and became Elton John's bassist in the 80ies. That's not the kind of job you get for just a pretty face. That fretless bass on Nikita is him.
Nor would Rick Wakeman be playing with someone just on his teeny bopper hit credentials alone ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETimiBC4vJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNEo3RSnYqE
Oh those 70s pornstaches... The mirror was not yet invented. That's a sweet checkerboard MG.
Never heard of her before, but nice cover. Almost a disco feel.
Quote from: Dave W on April 26, 2023, 07:28:47 PM
Never heard of her before, but nice cover. Almost a disco feel.
She was a Frank Farian project. He had better luck with Boney M.
Quote from: ilan on April 27, 2023, 05:07:07 AM
She was a Frank Farian project. He had better luck with Boney M.
Now I'll have to find out who they are. :)
Quote from: Dave W on April 27, 2023, 05:53:42 AM
Now I'll have to find out who they are. :)
You've dodged the Eurodisco bullet in the US, didn't you?
Quote from: ilan on April 27, 2023, 01:03:39 PM
You've dodged the Eurodisco bullet in the US, didn't you?
Yes, we have! :mrgreen:
Quote from: ilan on April 27, 2023, 01:03:39 PM
You've dodged the Eurodisco bullet in the US, didn't you?
Haha! That's the exact term I was thinking when i watched that vid. Very Euro!
I can't believe that anybody would ever have the guts to post a Gilla vid here - these Norsemen are fearless indeed. And the Minnesotan adds fuel to the fire by claiming it's a "nice cover", what have we come to?
I would like to stress that she's Austrian, not German, i.e. from a country that never had anything to do with Germany except fleetingly and only by mistake because our tanks took a wrong turn at a junction. You can hear her Austrian accent even when she sings English.
Milli Vanilli, does that ring a bell with you, Dave? That was one of Frank Farian's projects too. And Boney M is mainly known for one bass line:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHyHOUShOg8
Plus that the 'dancer', Bobby Farrell, didn't sing, that was Frank Farian - I hope you recognize a pattern here.
Now that Doomie has pillaged and desecrated this forums of forums, we might as well (dubiously) enjoy it while we can, here's more of Gisela Wuchinger aka Gilla, who walked the thin line between horrible Disco and horrible Schlager ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdE1GiolIkc
She initially sang German Austrrrian. Generally pseudo-sultry lyrics to previous Anglo-American hits. We called it Pornoschlager back then. Frank Farian's acts often had the ill repute of allegedly featuring red light district folk and in the 70ies and early 80ies the Frankfurt red light district (Farian's studios were close to Frankfurt) was populated by Austrian pimps from Vienna who also dabbled in music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrjL459V7bc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGU2dmNmEIM
Yup, before the 4001 she could be seen with an EB3L Slothead.
This thread wouldn't be complete without mentioning Far(ian) Corporation, another unspeakable crime, even Led Zep didn't deserve this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO066OFUuNQ
Yup, that's at first Robin McAuley (Grand Prix and MSG) and then Bobby Kimball (Toto) singing, Kimball lived in Frankfurt for a few years.
But we haven't reached the nadir yet, even the great Cockney Rebel were not spared. On this clumsy cover of their magnificent Sebastian, you can actually see and hear Frank Farian as the lead vocalist, front man guitarist. Adding insult to injury, he somehow even got a visibly embarrassed/bemused Steve Harley (who sang and composed the original) on the left (i.e. not the guy with the DX7 on the right) to play keyboards for him and sing a line or two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH0O5ozza-Q
Steve must have needed the money badly (his career was in the doldrums in the mid-80ies), but judging from his hairline today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGngiGS8jKQ
he at least invested it into something lasting and durable.
I can't believe that anybody would ever have the guts to post a Gilla vid here - these Norsemen are fearless indeed. And the Minnesotan adds fuel to the fire by claiming it's a "nice cover", what have we come to?
It was a nice cover. Not much else to say about it. That doesn't have anything to do with Milli Vanilli.
You're a closet Disco fan! True, Gisela actually did sing on it. Nobody could fake that Austrian accent.
Milli Vanilli were of course even more awful. But no one in Germany was surprised when it turned out they didn't sing. That was taken as a given if you were a product of the Frank Farian hit factory. Frank believed in the magic of illusion, create the music first and then, when a track picked up airplay, create a band or an artist to present it, something that would capture the imagination of the listeners. He was convinced of his own musical and production abilities, but not of his ability to present music (and his cover of Sebastian tellingly flopped).
Other than Milli Vanilli, these two songs were his biggest international hits (and to give credit to Eruption: they were a real band with a real and a really good at that singer, Precious Wilson, they were also Boney M's backing band live):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NyoXiopalI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSxQJUv1e8k
As for Bend Me, Shape Me, I prefer this version here ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufgAnMEZcqg
though you as a Yank probably know it from American Breed, who performed it with psychedelic charm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWg0jPV6FiM
In Europe, however, the somewhat more dynamic Amen Corner version was more popular (Andy Fairweather Low was the lead singer with Amen Corner):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl_zP8H1NBA
Before this thread, the American Breed version was the only one I had heard.
Really? That's interesting and so telling - there is apparently an ocean between us. 8) In Europe the song is forever identified with Amen Corner. Before this thread I hadn't heard the American Breed version, I thought it was an Amen Corner original! :rimshot:
Mind you, it wasn't an Amercian Breed original either, these guys recorded and released it first a year before the Breed did (and I don't even know whether they wrote it or whether it was an outside songwriter team):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XW33h99D3o
Unless my ears trick me, then the Amen Corner version transposed the original minor key first part of the verse into a parallel major one (and added a descending major third, second & root-vocal melody heard neither with The Outsiders nor American Breed) so their rendition sounds a lot more pop'ish and sprightly. The original Outsiders version is more like a dark Motown song, Amercian Breed added psychedelia to it. The vocal melody in the first part consists of root, minor seventh and minor third with both bands' versions. As does Gilla's version btw so Frank Farian obviously took the (in Europe) more rare American Breed version as a blueprint.
Thinking about it, Amen Corner were obviously aiming for a Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich sound at the time.
Quote from: uwe on May 11, 2023, 09:22:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl_zP8H1NBA
Nice 1966 slab P there.
Thinking about it, Amen Corner were obviously aiming for a Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich sound at the time.
I've never heard of any of these before now. AFAIK they were unknown here.
Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich were not known in the US, seriously?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5RiPbBgO6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suKluG7EwgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsExj_0IHEs
Nope. I thought you were talking about individual artists, not a group.
Quote from: Dave W on May 12, 2023, 09:43:06 PM
Thinking about it, Amen Corner were obviously aiming for a Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich sound at the time.
I've never heard of any of these before now. AFAIK they were unknown here.
Unknown to me as well.
But I know about Dino, Desi and Billy.
In later life, Billy always used a Ric when playing DD&B songs.
https://youtu.be/Gfx-wRmvQdE
There's a very strong Beatles influence in their choice of guitars (although what you hear are studio musicians, probably using other guitars). BTW Desi Jr. is 11 years old in this video.
Billy was a studio musician, although maybe not yet back then.
Quote from: gearHed289 on May 15, 2023, 08:02:18 AM
Unknown to me as well.
I'm flabbergasted, never would have thought that a 60ies charts staple in Europe with millions of sales would be totally unknown in the US of A. Mind you, no one saw them as a serious band even in Europe, they were perceived as Monkees style good time/lightweight chart fodder, but still ... You live and learn.
Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich were an English rock band active during the 1960s.[2] Formed in Salisbury in 1964, the band consisted of David John Harman (Dave Dee), Trevor Leonard Ward-Davies (Dozy), John Dymond (Beaky), Michael Wilson (Mick) and Ian Frederick Stephen Amey (Tich). Their novel name, zany stage act and lurid dress sense helped propel them to chart success with a string of hit singles penned by songwriters Ken Howard and Alan Blaikley including "Hold Tight!", "Bend It!" and "Zabadak!".[3] Over the course of the band's career, they played several different genres, including freakbeat,[1] mod[1] and pop.[1] Two of their single releases sold in excess of one million copies each, and they reached number one in the UK Singles Chart with the second of them, "The Legend of Xanadu".[4] Unlike many other British bands of the 1960s who were associated with the British invasion of the United States, Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich had limited commercial US success. Since their original break-up in 1973, the band have reunited in various formations and a lineup featuring Dymond continues to perform today as "Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich".
In the US, the group failed to break out nationally, although they had regional successes, particularly in northeastern cities such as Cleveland, Buffalo, Syracuse, Albany and Boston where both "Bend It" and "Hold Tight" gained considerable airplay and charted in the top ten on local radio stations. "Zabadak" gained extensive US airplay during the winter of 1967–68, climbing to the top ten in several major US markets including Los Angeles, but despite pockets of radio exposure, the band never gained mass airplay in America; "Zabadak" was the band's only single to chart in the national Billboard Hot 100, where it peaked at No. 52. This is at least partially a result of both the band's US labels, Fontana and Imperial Records, failing to secure them a US tour or TV appearances. Fontana set up just two appearances on national US TV programs. These were in July 1966 ("Hold Tight" on Where the Action Is) and Piccadilly Palace on 26 August 1967 (performing their then-current single "Okay"). Imperial scored none.
Most of the early Brit Invasion acts cleaned up when they arrived in North America. Heck , even Freddy and the Dreamers found fame.
First I've heard of Dave Dee and all ...
Really curious, I would have assumed that at least one or two of their novelty freak teenie bopper hits would have made their way across the Atlantic. They were kind of early Bubblegum. Never mind, the history of US pop would not have needed to be rewritten.
What I don't get is all this talk of them being English. They are clearly of Mexican descent...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsExj_0IHEs
At least as Mexican as the Kingston Trio's Coplas. :)
https://youtu.be/EiTGxXKabeI
Quote from: gearHed289 on May 17, 2023, 08:16:54 AM
What I don't get is all this talk of them being English. They are clearly of Mexican descent...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsExj_0IHEs
That was a particularly naff number.
We had a German version of DDDBM&T,
The Lords from Berlin, I used to like them as a kid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwAe6CCqwUc
Quote from: uwe on May 18, 2023, 09:18:56 AM
We had a German version of DDDBM&T, The Lords from Berlin, I used to like them as a kid.
Matching Playmobil haircuts!
True! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
So this is kind of cool. Back in late March, the violinist in my band, Chuck Bontrager, became the first person to receive a doctorate in the University of Illinois' electric strings program under Dr. Rudolph Haken. His final recital was a chamber music program, and apparently our little heavy prog band counts as a chamber orchestra. ;D Nomadic Horizon did a short set of our own material, and we also backed some folks that Chuck had flown in. One of them being Joe Deninzon, who is the violinist and singer of the band Stratospheerius. He joined us for their song "the Prism". The really cool part is - Joe has just been announced as the new violin/guitar player with Kansas as David Ragsdale has left the band after 17 years. Their singer since 2014, Ronnie Platt, is a local guy I've known since the late 80s when he was in a Yes tribute band. :) This lineup sounds great!
Ric content:
https://youtu.be/R8MDAMUNtU4
non-Ric content:
https://youtu.be/9kgcnREW5ZI
Herr Heslin/Prog Boy, this is just lovely, Arabic scales and all, I really dig it!
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PoisedIllinformedHornedviper.webp)
That Flying V(iolin) (I wasn't aware until now that they even existed - I really need to go out more!) is très awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcZnQXX-MJ8
I can't compete with Tom's mind-expanding posts, a good man must know his limits. This is just Mark Clarke (he of Colosseum, Uriah Heep, fleetingly Rainbow etc) miming with Tempest on a Ric to an audio obviously recorded with an EB-3 or some such. You can't fake maho imho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U1aHr9tf1E
I'm not aware that Mark Clarke audibly played a 4001 ever anywhere (please correct me if I'm wrong). It might have been a prop from the TV show studio. You can tell it's not his bass as his right hand finger positioning and the thumb rest on the Ric don't align at all.
So maybe I should have better posted this at the EB-videos thread in the Gibson Forum under "Mark Clarke playing an EB-3 but not admitting it ..."? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Yeah, it was pretty mind blowing to have this guy come into the rehearsal room and break out a black Flying V violin with 7 strings. :o It goes down to guitar drop D, or one whole step away from the lowest note of a cello. It's also got tiny frets that are almost flush with the fingerboard. Then there's his pedal board and half stack... I think he has "instrument size issues", as he is consistently the loudest guy in the band. People sometimes say they would like to hear more of the violin and I have to tell them "It's there, it just sounds like a guitar!" Look up Mark Wood on YouTube. He's the creator of the Viper series.
For a second, I thought the gal in the video was this girl Zee Crain who also performed with us that night, but I was mistaken. Here we are with Zee and guest guitarist Guido Sánchez-Portuguez who is one of the professors at U of I.
https://youtu.be/tSrF1l2cgTQ
I've unfortunately never played with a rock violinist (played with a classical string trio), but I'd really love to.
Not really Prog, but more Brit Art Rock (with a Punk slant), I always loved The Doctors of Madness for their violin work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHCvi0C48mY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJPRUlirfaw
What you're doing with Zee on that track (which I like as well) is actually more Art Rock than Prog too.
Some Aussie with a Ric.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S43YhQ_eGTw
Aug 1964 Fireglo RM 1999, #DH163. Maurice Gibb later had it refinished in white over the FG (it was not stripped).
In the late 70s Pete Greenwood bought it from Honky Tonk Music in Essex. AFAIK it's owned since 1980 by Andrew Winter.
(https://www.rickresource.com/forum/download/file.php?id=44591&mode=view)
Photo: Paul D. Boyer. Featured in "The Rickenbacker Electric Bass - 50 Years as Rock's Bottom"
https://youtu.be/Xk9bmuncB4Q
Photo credit: Paul D. Boyer. Featured in "The Rickenbacker Electric Bass - 50 Years as Rock's Bottom."
Quote from: Paul Boyer on July 06, 2023, 08:54:50 AM
Photo credit: Paul D. Boyer. Featured in "The Rickenbacker Electric Bass - 50 Years as Rock's Bottom."
Sorry for failing to give credit. I've edited my post.
Thanks! :)
Chris Glen of the Sensational Alex Harvey Band, rocking a Fireglo 4001.
https://youtu.be/uiGsfv9ju8M
Is it hard rock, progressive rock, vaudeville??? Sparks and Queen are remembered for their eccentric and camp stage show, but the SAHB were right up there too! Brilliant stagecraft and delivery from Alex. I think Bon Scott got his sleazy yelp from Alex and maybe even Johnny Rotten lifted some of that hyper-enunciated delivery as well.
They remind me of Spinal Tap.
Quote from: Alanko on July 12, 2023, 04:02:30 PM
Chris Glen of the Sensational Alex Harvey Band, rocking a Fireglo 4001.
https://youtu.be/uiGsfv9ju8M
Great stuff! :)
Bon Scott was a card-carrying fan of Alex Harvey, he was his role model.
Johnny Rotten/Lydon was more third generation, he patterned himself (admittedly so) after Gary Holton of the Heavy Metal Kids and emulated him,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbE0X5mC13A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZpFIbahTTE
but Holton in turn was of course another great fan of Alex Harvey! There was a good portion of Brit Vaudeville in Alex Harvey's act, you're absolutely right. Harvey was born 1935, he simply came from another era and had other influences than most 70ies hard rockers who were ten to fifteen years younger than him (Gary Holton was born 1952, yet died - overdose - already only three years later than Harvey who was 47 when he passed away in 1982 due to a heart attack, tragically one day before his birthday).
Quote from: ilan on July 14, 2023, 02:59:31 AM
They remind me of Spinal Tap.
That's sheer blasphemy, Ilan, Alex was
decades before Spinal Tap! It's like saying that Torah & Talmud remind you of Old & New Testament. :mrgreen:
(https://lastfm.freetls.fastly.net/i/u/300x300/6ec1dc6c29e7feab0f3b4d5a26f2a6a2.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-bFLEitXJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpYy9QvwsQ
Faith Healer was a rock disco dance floor stomper in the 70ies in Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svSV_G65CF4
I always thought that Herman Brood tried to recreate some of that song's groove and atmosphere with his equally excellent Saturday Night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvGPYdF20e0
Rock DJs often played the songs back to back. All that dandruff! ;D
Prakash John (not the other way around!) lets rip Ric ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc26EFI1_nw
This is a pre-Wagner/Hunter line-up with ex-Iron Butterfly Danny Weiss on guitar. The way they merge at 01:48 from the rhythmic intro jam into the telltale riff (and speed up) is cute.
The later line-up with Dick Wagner as the musical director would rearrange the intro quite a bit, more drama and harmonies, less rhythm groove.The change into the riff is now at 03:20 ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FdWPeHFAMk
Panned at the time by critics as an attempt of sell-out-"heavy metal", I thought Reed's 'Live' album with basically what was then Alice Cooper's backing group (or the other way around: Reed's backing group playing for Alice, the solo artist) in the second half of the 70ies great. Bob Ezrin's go-to-guitar-tandem Dick Wagner + Steve Hunter beefing things up with their joint layered rhythm and lead harmony playing did the Reed songbook no harm. Today, the album is deemed a classic. That said, the intro they came up with does sound very Alice Cooper'ish to me, it wouldn't have been out of place at any of Vince's mid-70ies gigs.
Oooh, good stuff. He has a neck mudbucker, as was customary back then, and a J pickup between the horseshoe and the mud.
I did the opposite - I had a Ric toaster under the mud cover in my EB-0L...
I used to listen to my sister's Rock n Roll Animal 8 track a lot. Loved that Sweet Jane intro. I was a Cooper fan already at the time, but had no idea who was in Reed's band.
We gather from this that Tom was this bratty, braces-equipped baby brother
(https://valleyofsteel.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/stewart.jpg)
(Kip Winger was as close as I could get to Alice Cooper!)
always getting his greasy-sweaty, sub-adolescent paws on his big sis' vinyl and 8-track (---> she could already drive) collection!
"To-hom, did you nick my Lou Reed again, give it back NOW!!! I told you a thousand times, you're not supposed to take my stuff when I'm not there. And while we're at it: My mascara and eyeliner too, you're definitely NOT Alice Cooper, dammit!"
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Quote from: ilan on August 10, 2023, 05:19:06 AM
Oooh, good stuff. He has a neck mudbucker, as was customary back then, and a J pickup between the horseshoe and the mud.
So that is where that Gibson'esque sound comes from, danke for the enlightenment!
No braces, but yes to everything else! 3 sisters, 7, 8, and 10 years older than me. They were petrified if I walked into the room when they had a boyfriend over. ;D
Note to self: Tom was a late child, but mom's darling boy. Everything else, his love for PROG etc, followed from there ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGy9uomagO4
Was there ever a song relating to Japan without that riff? :mrgreen: And it's not even Japanese — or Asian — it's western.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNQQluXMKKM&t=38s
True, even Tommy Bolin couldn't resist temptation and incorporated it into You Keep On Moving (at 01:53) at DP's 1975 Budokan gig, eliciting a surprised turning around and a grin from Glenn Hughes at the mic. The Japanese audience lapped that gig up though Tommy's drug abuse had numbed his fretting arm reducing him to very basic playing that night.
https://youtu.be/_SU7j4WU-40
PS: That caltoon you glaciously posted, Ilan, oh my, some undiluted steleotypes thele that Westelnels have, hihihi! :)
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What will all the people in the Chinese cities of Tokyo, Seoul and Hanoi only make of it?!
I found this both enlightening and hilarious:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/07/i-feel-ashamed-of-myself-i-know-that-they-all-look-the-same-to-me-is-a-horrible-form-of-racism
"I have to admit I giggled nervously as I read your letter, and I thought of my dear late mother who had real trouble keeping white people's faces straight in her head. It was especially acute when we were watching movies. She couldn't tell the good guy from the bad guy and had no idea which white woman was the romantic lead, and which one was the awkward sister. Every time there was a new scene, she'd be asking, "Now which one is that?"
My mother didn't grow up around a whole lot of white people, so different colour eyes and hair colour weren't really a point of reference. She had no problem recognising her white friends – people she had worked with and visited and so on. However, like you, she was never very good at out-of-context encounters."
And the most embarrassing thing is I've been there myself: Many years ago I stumbled across a colleague from work in a supermarket with his Korean wife. I knew her from law firm related functions years back. I thought. Turns out, she wasn't #1 Korean wife, but wife-to-be #2. And here I am talking about past meetings and how their children are doing. Inane stuff like: "No need for an introduction, we know each other from ..., don't we?" (blank stare from her part). I notice how my colleague's facial expression turns from initial disbelief to outright distraughtness - the separation from his first wife and kids was comparatively recent - and kept thinking to myself: "Why is he acting so weird, I'm just being nice?" They made off rather abrupt.
Only at home did it dawn to me that the much younger-looking Korean female in the supermarket couldn't have really been the wife and mother of 10 years ago. I could have died a death there and then. And it got worse. Having been the recruitment partner of our Frankfurt office at the time, I realized I had actually interviewed #2 in person about 18 months earlier for a job at our firm (my colleague's/partner's unbridled enthusiasm for hiring her as his associate back then should have perhaps made me think and alert me to possible ulterior motives on his part, but that is another story - people just have no idea how gullible I can be!).
I never dared speak to him about it, but he was good enough to - apparently - forget about it. In any case, they separated years later and I was lucky enough to never be put into the situation of not recognizing #3 Korean significant other with which he had meanwhile hooked up.
Quote from: uwe on October 09, 2023, 09:24:23 AM
What will all the people in the Chinese cities of Tokyo, Seoul and Hanoi only make of it?!
I found this both enlightening and hilarious:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/07/i-feel-ashamed-of-myself-i-know-that-they-all-look-the-same-to-me-is-a-horrible-form-of-racism
"I have to admit I giggled nervously as I read your letter, and I thought of my dear late mother who had real trouble keeping white people's faces straight in her head. It was especially acute when we were watching movies. She couldn't tell the good guy from the bad guy and had no idea which white woman was the romantic lead, and which one was the awkward sister. Every time there was a new scene, she'd be asking, "Now which one is that?"
My mother didn't grow up around a whole lot of white people, so different colour eyes and hair colour weren't really a point of reference. She had no problem recognising her white friends – people she had worked with and visited and so on. However, like you, she was never very good at out-of-context encounters."
And the most embarrassing thing is I've been there myself: Many years ago I stumbled across a colleague from work in a supermarket with his Korean wife. I knew her from law firm related functions years back. I thought. Turns out, she wasn't #1 Korean wife, but wife-to-be #2. And here I am talking about past meetings and how their children are doing. Inane stuff like: "No need for an introduction, we know each other from ..., don't we?" (blank stare from her part). I notice how my colleague's facial expression turns from initial disbelief to outright distraughtness - the separation from his first wife and kids was comparatively recent - and kept thinking to myself: "Why is he acting so weird, I'm just being nice?" They made off rather abrupt.
Only at home did it dawn to me that the much younger-looking Korean female in the supermarket couldn't have really been the wife and mother of 10 years ago. I could have died a death there and then. And it got worse. Having been the recruitment partner of our Frankfurt office at the time, I realized I had actually interviewed #2 in person about 18 months earlier for a job at our firm (my colleague's/partner's unbridled enthusiasm for hiring her as his associate back then should have perhaps made me think and alert me to possible ulterior motives on his part, but that is another story - people just have no idea how gullible I can be!).
I never dared speak to him about it, but he was good enough to - apparently - forget about it. In any case, they separated years later and I was lucky enough to never be put into the situation of not recognizing #3 Korean significant other with which he had meanwhile hooked up.
:mrgreen: ;)
I have a mild form of prosopagnosia (http://prosopagnosia), so that happens a lot to me, doesn't even have to be an Asian face. I was always thought of as being snobbish, I'm used to it, but it's just a social technique for hiding the fact that I don't always recognize faces or at least I'm not 100% sure. Last year I've used training software to help with it, after three months I showed good results but in real life situations the best I can say is – it didn't worsen it.
But you're real good at telling the most arcane Rickenbacker models apart, Ilan! That must come in
handy in everyday life. :-X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeYf-rhMQIQ
Some fine footwork/English schlager musik here.
Standouts are the archaic double-manual Vox organ (not getting played) and the 4001 with replacement pickguard. Groovy.
https://youtu.be/xV31WMx1upc
They were apparently from Weston-super-Mare, which has a helicopter museum but is otherwise considered a bit of a shithole apparently.
Phil Lynott popularized the black-with-mirror-pickguard look. Groovy indeed
Quote from: Alanko on October 28, 2023, 10:16:09 AM
Some fine footwork/English schlager musik here.
Standouts are the archaic double-manual Vox organ (not getting played) and the 4001 with replacement pickguard. Groovy.
https://youtu.be/xV31WMx1upc
Fancy footwork indeed. Fun and cheesy, but what the heck? The world could use a little more fun these days.
Quote from: ilan on October 28, 2023, 12:14:24 PM
Phil Lynott popularized the black-with-mirror-pickguard look.
Yes he did!
Rob doesn't like Racey, he's said so. Humorless Holländer that he is.
Of course they were throwaway bubblegum (from the Chinn/Chapman hit factory that also wrote most of the singles for Sweet, Mud, Smokie and Suzi Quatro), but fun nonetheless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY3pkagVP64
One of their own songs however
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQv7IgGPXLY
became a greater US hit than any Chinn/Chapman song - for someone else!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E-Zrg9CB_Q
"They were apparently from Weston-super-Mare, which has a helicopter museum but is otherwise considered a bit of a shithole apparently."
I'll give you "shithole" !!!
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Weston-super-Mare is legendary for fancy footwork.
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Its inhabitants always exhibiting a fine sense of dress.
(https://blackmoresnight.co.uk/images/ritchie-blackmore-story/ritchie-blackmore-story-youngster.jpg)
Some good Rickenbacker footage here, along with a superb interview about the DJ who broke Rush in the US. I used to listen to her on 'MMS back in the day. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amitvOYQsK0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amitvOYQsK0)
I'm flabbergasted.
My preconceptions have come under nuclear attack.
She's obviously a woman. A very likable one at that.
And yet she says she likes Rush.
There must be a man involved, it's Stockholm Syndrome of the worst kind. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Quote from: uwe on November 08, 2023, 05:57:21 PM
I'm flabbergasted.
My preconceptions have come under nuclear attack.
She's obviously a woman. A very likable one at that.
And yet she says she likes Rush.
There must be a man involved, it's Stockholm Syndrome of the worst kind. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Well, she is the one who "made" Rush in the US... And shes noted in"Spirit of Radio"along with other stuff. :)
Another fine piece of pop music. I eagerly await the lineage between this band and Deep Purple Mk2 to he charted out by our inteligencia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eHuH65qEX4
That wan't easy to watch ;)
Yeah it is a rogue's charter of dated, slightly parochial pop culture references. The "drummer" is actually Noel Edmonds, one of the rare British TV presenters of the 1970s who hadn't been giga-cancelled.
Not everything can be connected to Purple (and I'm relieved that in this case it wasn't), painful as it is to admit.
Anyway, Jim Lea with a Ric. During their American wilderness years, when they vainly tried to crack the market there and even flirted with soul influences. Catchy tune, but it didn't bring that elusive US hit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_OzuxGDqBY
Can't put my finger on any specific detail but I'm getting strong Rickenfaker vibes here.
OMG, delete, delete!!!(https://64.media.tumblr.com/732088cca8c63ea24f81d302e12259d1/tumblr_ouaa6tgx981qmob6ro1_400.gif)
That could actually very well be, Jim Lea often used basses of brands other than his beloved Gibson and Jaydee EBs/SGs just as props for TV appearances, his Ibanez Flying V among them.
That said, he was sometimes seen with a white John Birch 4001 style bass which he apparently actually played.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BkMAAOSwss9i43qA/s-l1600.jpg)
Here's a better quality version of the Nobody's Fool vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkO_Lvi3pjA
The bass in the video has a skunk stripe (started '72) and a toaster (discontinued in early '73). '72 had the tug bar, by '73 it was gone. So if it's a real Ric, and assuming no one had a reason to install a tug bar in the lower position, then it's a '72.
The telltale sign of even good copies is the binding continuing behind the bridge. Real Rics don't have it there (the body wings are first bound and then glued to the center neck-thru). Lea's bass looks like the binding stops exactly where it should on a real Ric.
Toasters were around into the mid-late summer of '73. The July '73 4001 I had (a friend of mine has it these days) sports its original toaster.
Nice transition bass. My white Oct '73 (no checkerboard, narrow inlays) had a newer button-top in the neck position when I bought it, I have replaced it with a reissue toaster. Button-tops have a narrow window and string bends - even slight - result in significant volume drops. You can use that for tremolo effect... Toasters OTOH handle bends very well.
Black tugbars aren't a thing in Rickenbacker land, I don't think. Strictly clear acrylic? I think the bass is an Ibanez copy or similar.
I tried a John Birch like the white one in the photo there. The lacquer had consistent, tiny crazing and cracks and was almost a satin, eggshell sort of finish. No idea what Birch was using but it was unlike any other guitar finish I've seen. The controls were idiosyncratic as well. I think they had an ethos that more knobs equals a more professional instrument. This bass had six, plus at least one switch.
Quote from: ilan on December 22, 2023, 12:27:13 AM
Nice transition bass. My white Oct '73 (no checkerboard, narrow inlays) had a newer button-top in the neck position when I bought it, I have replaced it with a reissue toaster. Button-tops have a narrow window and string bends - even slight - result in significant volume drops. You can use that for tremolo effect... Toasters OTOH handle bends very well.
That's one of the things I love about toasters, that they have excellent string-to-string evenness.
Probably because they have 6 pole pieces.
No doubt about that, and they are spaced close together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_Y5xanNrvt6Y
Some Italians having fun.
Bad quality but still, Bob Daisley playing a white Ric (or Rickenfaker?) with custom pickguard.
Slide to 14:50:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7UgkCQUEcI
Graham Gouldman doing a bass solo (with flats, he would always play those) how it should be done - over harmonies and the whole band playing, @09:17:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xlqS3X-TUo
Quote from: uwe on February 05, 2024, 03:49:07 PM
Graham Gouldman doing a bass solo (with flats, he would always play those) how it should be done - over harmonies and the whole band playing, @09:17:
What a beautiful solo. Never heard this one before. Maybe it's time to finally put flats on one of the Rics.
10cc were sorta the UK's answer to Steely Dan. Sophisticated pop music for nerds, but so slyly crafted that the larger public wouldn't immediately notice.
They had two sets of Lennon-McCartneys in the band, one more prog, the other more chart hits oriented. Which eventually led to their break up. I never liked the pop side of 10cc ("Dreadlock Holiday") and loved "I'm Mandy, Fly Me", "I'm Not In Love" etc. The mid 70s is when I started playing bass and immersing myself in music, and these songs were on the radio, so I have a soft spot for them.
I'm a sucker for good pop, also what Graham Gouldman did with Andrew Gold in the aftermath of 10cc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1isRH9E9WAE
Rickenbackers can be tribal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUpGRXT18R8
Last time I heard this song was 47 years ago
I could have been there!
At the Ali vs Foreman battle I mean, but then the stupid German Embassy in Kinshasa gave out a warning that the event would be "racially charged" so my parents wouldn't let me go (I was 13 at the time, but "two weeks close to 14" as I stressed with them to no avail!). The Ali fans had been chanting "Ali, bomaye!" (Lingala for Ali, kill him!) in the streets for a while and they outnumbered the fans of Foreman (perceived as a white man's "Uncle Tom") greatly.
But I rode an elevator with George Foreman (in dungarees and with his two German shepherd dogs which did not go down well at all in Zaire at the time as they were viewed as a colonial symbol) at the Intercontinental Hotel.
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That's exactly what he wore, minus the cap.
I also saw Ali around the same time, but not as close. He was staying at the Hotel Okapi (the other top tier hotel in Kinshasa) and was always surrounded by an entourage of at least a dozen people. Ali bathed in the masses,
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Foreman kept to himself - and the two shepherds made sure of that! (Though they didn't strike me as aggressive in the elevator, but then I was used to guard dogs and unafraid of them.)
Geezer with Glenn Hughes' 4001:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EBk3czZXlQ
Geezer never really got the best out that Rick throughout that gig. It's a dull rumble. They played that gig in Exstabdaed tuning, so all the sludgy C# stuff got hiked up to E as well.
Chris Brubeck on a fretless Ric.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QapajZ3wP7U
Chris is a great player and he can get an almost upright tone out of that Ric when he wants. But I don't like that he doubles the piano here. There's a very simple and effective bass part on the original recording, no need to mess it up. The head is in 9/8 and the piano is busy, why would you wannt a busy bass part under it?
I like Chris' playing here. There's enough hairiness to it that it sounds human, but it is still quite technical and has an ethos of jazz at its core.
I really can't get behind that school of thought that the pinnacle of bass playing is playing rigidly through transcribed Ornette Coleman solos on a six string Ken Smith bass with a bit of chorus, using only the bridge pickup. With jazz, I would rather hear complex through-composed passages on their original instruments rather than bass. Wind instruments will always be more expressive that a clean bass tone.
"Exstabdaed"?
Never heard that term, what is it supposed to mean string for string?
"Exstabdaed"
Is that defined as "stabbing your ex?"
Quote from: uwe on February 26, 2024, 06:07:50 AM
"Exstabdaed"?
Never heard that term, what is it supposed to mean string for string?
:mrgreen:
My iPhone tried to turn 'E Standard' into something more exciting.
Quote from: Alanko on February 26, 2024, 02:44:26 PM
My iPhone tried to turn 'E Standard' into something more exciting.
That's "dead bat sxe" spelled backwards.
Nali, uoy knaht!
(Ilan likes to read right to left, old habit of his. ;D )
Quote from: uwe on February 28, 2024, 09:40:56 AM
Nali, uoy knaht!
(Ilan likes to read right to left, old habit of his. ;D )
Um, you have the exclamation mark on the wrong side. Just sayin'... :mrgreen:
I forgot this is a Ric forum where everything has to be just right! :mrgreen:
https://youtu.be/EySQ2ei1NTA
at inter alia 02:53, 03:13, 05:15 ... ;D
https://youtu.be/Q2FzZSBD5LE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oj4GmdM_C8
1/2" spacing JG's always remind me of my first Ric. 50 years since the change and the 1" spacing still looks wrong to me.
That ~1967 Ric 456 6/12 convertible is interesting!
Quote from: ilan on March 12, 2024, 11:17:02 AM
1/2" spacing JG's always remind me of my first Ric. 50 years since the change and the 1" spacing still looks wrong to me.
Ditto.
That Searchers cover of a Leiber/Stoller classic is pretty horrible - except for the pristine harmony vocals. It's too fast, no groove and the guitarist doesn't know what key (or scale) he's playing.
They used to do it better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rXhXLsNJL8
If not as good as this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8KDknyNzsw
I love that song, but it needs that Cajun-spooky feel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boVyBHcOAJM
Quote from: uwe on March 12, 2024, 06:33:01 PM
and the guitarist doesn't know what key (or scale) he's playing
Yeah, that was hard to listen to. They probably had studio players for the original recording. Still, they had enough time since then to learn how to play or memorize a decent solo.
The Clovers' original is easily better than any of the covers.
This fits then, it has a Ric in it ...
https://youtu.be/oFJ3lxLdvs4
Honorary mention ...
https://youtu.be/wjO51GptgYw
Randy with a Ric and my favorite Eagles number, yeah, I'm a pansy ...
https://youtu.be/PqccEpqvwPY
Quote from: uwe on March 13, 2024, 02:47:19 PM
Randy with a Ric and my favorite Eagles number, yeah, I'm a pansy ...
https://youtu.be/PqccEpqvwPY
You don't have to be a pansy to love this song. ;)
I always liked the story it told, it's like a movie unfolding before your eyes. "Every form of refuge has its price" - that's almost John Steinbeck.
One of my favorite lyric lines is in "Tequilla Sunrise" - "workin' on a dream he planned to try" - four "conditionals" stacked into one line.
A lot, if not most, of their songs are good stories.
Quote from: uwe on March 14, 2024, 05:41:06 PM
I always liked the story it told, it's like a movie unfolding before your eyes. "Every form of refuge has its price" - that's almost John Steinbeck.
I never paid attention to the lyrics until now. Just looked it up. Beautiful.
Quote from: Paul Boyer on March 15, 2024, 09:01:35 AM
One of my favorite lyric lines is in "Tequilla Sunrise" - "workin' on a dream he planned to try" - four "conditionals" stacked into one line.
I love this. I never would have put that together.
For all the not so nice things you can hear and read about the Eagles, both Frey and Henley were skilled lyricists. It was as important as the music to them.
Jerome Rimson (ex-Automatic Man) funky with his Ric (? - or is that some John Birch model?) and two keyboard players (who both played with Jon Lord) plus Steve Harley ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MfzhywOImk
And here slapping (at 02:52) with an Irish rhythm guitarist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8oGmpbPqro
Now this is a real Ric: Hellmut Hattler + Kraan krautrock-a-jazzin'... It was the bass he became known for in Germany (in the 70ies he was seen as Germany's best bass guitarist by a stretch) before he switched to Ibanez in the late 70ies and then other brands (Status, Warwick).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZnfHeBN3_M
And this one sounds like a real Ric too.
And played with a pick as is proper for a Ric!
(That rhymed, in case you didn't notice.)
That Rimson 'Ric' sounds a bit like a WAL, doesn't it?
Brit Pop played properly - with a Ric played sat down of course:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTfZshkNZRw
More Ric goodness, this time standing up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecbcw-APMoE
Expect the unexpected ...
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... Bill Wyman not only with a low slung (!) Ric (!!), but a 4005er one (!!!) to boot!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Tm3TQZGEs
Keith played bass on the recorded version, and I think the video is Mick singing live while the rest of the band mimes the recorded track.
Sure, I knew that. Keith's busy to nervous/playful original bass track is legendary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CFk8LDfG9U
You can hear it's instrumentally mimed - there are even a couple of moments where Mick is not near the mike and having his mouth closed while singing is going on. He sang parts of it live, but not all.
But seeing Bill with a not short- or medium-scale bass and then a Ric of all basses is a seldom sight. Maybe it was just a studio prop or maybe he felt inclined to give it a try as the less-than-long-scale of a Ric was attractive to him, who knows.
That's not a Ric, it's a Shaftesbury.
Oh wow, good eyes Proggie Boy (and I thought you were only good at counting uneven meters!), one lives and learns.
https://www.vintageguitarandbass.com/shaftesbury/bass/1970s_3263.php
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I didn't even know that anybody ever bothered to copy the 4005 look.
Quote from: uwe on March 20, 2024, 09:16:51 AM
I didn't even know that anybody ever bothered to copy the 4005 look.
DH Gate and Ali Express have plenty of 4005 copies, in the $300-500 range. Highest quality, I'm sure. :rolleyes:
When they did the limited 4005XC short scale , some were saying it was a Shaftesbury copy.
Quote from: morrow on March 21, 2024, 05:37:14 AM
When they did the limited 4005XC short scale , some were saying it was a Shaftesbury copy.
It was, in a way.
It happened to other big names. When Gibson made the Slash signature Les Paul they meticulously copied his Appetite For Destruction guitar, which was a replica/knockoff/faker with a Gibson logo, not a real Gibson ;D So people are paying $3-4K for what in effect is a copy of a copy. Fender did something similar in 1982, when they examined Japanese-made copies, some of which were far superior to late 70s Fenders, and re-learned from them how to make good Strats again. So some of Fender's best vintage reissues were acually replicas of east Asian knockoffs.
Quote from: uwe on March 20, 2024, 09:16:51 AM
Oh wow, good eyes Proggie Boy (and I thought you were only good at counting uneven meters!), one lives and learns.
https://www.vintageguitarandbass.com/shaftesbury/bass/1970s_3263.php
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I didn't even know that anybody ever bothered to copy the 4005 look.
The pointy horns were a quick giveaway. The original 4005 has bulbous horns. And as the other guys have said - the 4005XC is like a copy of a copy!
Quote from: ilan on March 21, 2024, 07:16:43 AM
It was, in a way.
It happened to other big names. When Gibson made the Slash signature Les Paul they meticulously copied his Appetite For Destruction guitar, which was a replica/knockoff/faker with a Gibson logo, not a real Gibson ;D So people are paying $3-4K for what in effect is a copy of a copy. Fender did something similar in 1982, when they examined Japanese-made copies, some of which were far superior to late 70s Fenders, and re-learned from them how to make good Strats again. So some of Fender's best vintage reissues were acually replicas of east Asian knockoffs.
Enter Roger Waters and his famed black P bass which was an amalgamation of lots of things with very little true Fender content. They slavishly reverse-engineered it anyway for his signature model. You can make ticking clock sounds with it too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPSz7Lv_B_c
There is something very bricklayer'ish to Waters' bass playing which I greatly enjoy. Not the refined tasteful parts that were generally done by Gilmour in the studio - I like Waters' meat & potatoes playing, it's honest work and he approaches it that way. Another note, another buck. 8)
Agreed. He's a good bass player. Although his real genius is composing masterpieces.
I didn't know his P was a parts bass. So I looked it up and learned that it started life as a 1970 black Fender P, and now has a Charvel-made maple cap neck with a Fender spaghetti logo and a Schecter alnico 5 pickup.
To his defense, he apparently bought a 'Fender' replacement neck in the 70ies which unbeknownst to him wasn't one.
I like Gilmour's voice and guitar feel, but without Waters Pink Floyd is just pretty ambience music. That said, I'm not a great The Wall fan either, if a project ever cried "VANITY!!!", it was that one.
I've seen him a couple of times live (inter alia on the Animals tour way back in the 70ies and I didn't even really like Floyd back then), for someone with as much playing experience as him, his right hand 'technique' is really bludgeoning. He hits his P carelessly and hard, you can practically see it shaking as he plays it. But what you then hear sure sounds like Roger Waters.
Quote from: uwe on March 21, 2024, 02:20:10 PM
he apparently bought a 'Fender' replacement neck in the 70ies which unbeknownst to him wasn't one.
Here's the story:
https://lapelcelery.wordpress.com/2015/07/16/roger-waters-black-fender-precision-bass/
https://youtu.be/dq6fCOGyVJg?si=gCXeI4usPSDJ8K0h
Damn. I can't remember how to post a YouTube video. I tried to insert the link between the [url] [url] brackets and that didn't work. So I modified it and posted the link directly to the page. That didn't work either. Can someone refresh my memory? Thanks.
Quote from: saltymonkey on March 22, 2024, 06:54:55 PM
https://youtu.be/dq6fCOGyVJg?si=gCXeI4usPSDJ8K0h
Damn. I can't remember how to post a YouTube video. I tried to insert the link between the [url] [url] brackets and that didn't work. So I modified it and posted the link directly to the page. That didn't work either. Can someone refresh my memory? Thanks.
Just delete the question mark and everything to the right of it.
Unless you're copying something that's part of someone's playlist, it should be the URL that's in the Address Bar.
No brackets necessary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq6fCOGyVJg
Man that mini-humbuckered LP Deluxe sounds good. The Ric sounds like it has flats.
Like David Gilmour's black Strat, you wouldn't give that bass a second glance in a pawnshop if it wasn't priced crazily low.
I think I've seen that bass in London when Pink Floyd had their 'mortal remains' exhibition. There was one heavily used black on black P Bass with a maple neck. It had definitely seen some action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CRoi0DGnmI
To quote John Lydon on Glen's departure/eviction from the Pistols: "He really started to play well. I mean you can't have that in a band. So we got in Sid who sure enough never learned how to play and all was good again." :rimshot:
Quote from: Dave W on March 22, 2024, 10:53:40 PM
Just delete the question mark and everything to the right of it.
Unless you're copying something that's part of someone's playlist, it should be the URL that's in the Address Bar.
No brackets necessary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq6fCOGyVJg
I think the 'Tragic Band' is overlooked. Beefheart was revered in the UK as the weirdo's weirdo. A wilfully bonkers guy. The Tragic Band is interesting as it seems like his attempt to make a stab at creating commercially successful music. Hire some session musicians with no previous working history and make lightweight country music. It almost worked, but it still seems off kilter.
Beefheart came back to the UK in 1975 with a guy playing a tuba through an octave divider in lieu of a bassist. This pleased the journalists and fans who had him pegged as a weirdo.
Quote from: Alanko on March 28, 2024, 11:55:14 AM
I think the 'Tragic Band' is overlooked. Beefheart was revered in the UK as the weirdo's weirdo. A wilfully bonkers guy. The Tragic Band is interesting as it seems like his attempt to make a stab at creating commercially successful music. Hire some session musicians with no previous working history and make lightweight country music. It almost worked, but it still seems off kilter.
Beefheart came back to the UK in 1975 with a guy playing a tuba through an octave divider in lieu of a bassist. This pleased the journalists and fans who had him pegged as a weirdo.
Thanks for that. I was unaware of the Tragic Band era. I found the story here: http://www.beefheart.com/the-tragic-band/ (http://www.beefheart.com/the-tragic-band/) after reading your post. I didn't really start listening to Beefheart until a couple of years after that. I was in the 9th grade in '76 and started expanding my musical horizons. I've been a fan since then.
Pre-falcetto.
Bonus - Ric 480 mimed solo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3NNPTG6mjQ
The audio track obviously isn't live, but they might have been playing live at the time. The instruments are plugged, even the Gibson acoustic has a sound hole pup, there is an acoustic piano at the side and amps. Don't think they would have bothered with that if everything came from tape at Trafalgar Square.
Robin didn't have much to do in that song! It's pretty rocky for them, they were obviously valiantly trying to be contemporary at the time, this even sounds a little Buffalo Springfield'ish/CSN&Y.
I didn't mind their falsetto years at all. Barry had a great one, it must be said.
For decades I lived under the illusion that Barry sang the late 70ies to 80ies Disco stuff while the 60ies ballads were predominantly done by Robin's more wailing/tearful, lower voice. How wrong I was. The lion's share of the 60ies stuff has Barry on lead as well.
Maurice was a good bass player with a fine taste in basses. He's on most of their hits. His brothers didn't play in the studio as far as I know.
No issues with Maurice's bass playing at all, he was always my favorite Bee Gee, the coolest one. Tragic how that surgery went wrong, but at one time in his life he was personally responsible for a sizable chunk of Columbia's and Peru's agricultural produce exports. Coke leaves a durable mark on your health, it's not like heroin where your fine going forward once you kick it for good (and have survived it that long).
Quote from: uwe on April 08, 2024, 08:38:57 AMCoke leaves a durable mark on your health, it's not like heroin where your fine going forward once you kick it for good (and have survived it that long).
A couple that my wife and I used to be very close with were big blow-heads. They eventually divorced. 20+ years later, they both suffered strokes within months of each other. I have to wonder if the marching powder had something to do with it?
A lot of the erstwhile heavy coke users suffer heart attacks and strokes in middle age - decades after they have kicked the habit. It's not good for you.
Why is Barry Gibb looking down anyone he is singing? Also, what is taped to the back of his acoustic guitar?
Joni Mitchell claimed to have suffered the mysterious 'Morgellons' disease, in which sufferers claim their bodies contain fibres and other foreign material. There is no evidence of Morgellons being anything other than a delusion. I reckon this is down to long term coke use, alongside all the 'chronic Lymes' and other long/term neurological illnesses that seem to cut down musicians and actors.
Quote from: Alanko on April 09, 2024, 10:23:20 AM
Why is Barry Gibb looking down anyone he is singing? Also, what is taped to the back of his acoustic guitar?
The cord of the sound hole pup of course, what else? Its cord goes straight up from the sound hole over the top side of the body, down the back and to the side, all securely gaffered. They had to make do in an age when acoustic guitars with onboard electronics and output jacks were no yet common.
Quote from: Alanko on April 09, 2024, 10:23:20 AM
Why is Barry Gibb looking down anyone he is singing? Also, what is taped to the back of his acoustic guitar?
Joni Mitchell claimed to have suffered the mysterious 'Morgellons' disease, in which sufferers claim their bodies contain fibres and other foreign material. There is no evidence of Morgellons being anything other than a delusion. I reckon this is down to long term coke use, alongside all the 'chronic Lymes' and other long/term neurological illnesses that seem to cut down musicians and actors.
She's nuts. Imaginary disease.
Delusional parasitosis is the clinial term.
In Arabic the informal term for withdrawal syndrome is "duda" — literally, worms.
Sigh, when they simply don't believe you ...
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Tiran Porter finding out that Jesus is just alright for him - even playing a Ric ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q539m05DK3s
Are 12-string Rics allowed too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6srcWeDh_o
Never heard the original until now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVe7kknLFNE
The Tremeloes rock out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB4h6AN0XuA
With the very dark fretboard and sharp contrast with the inlays, this one sends strong vibes of a 70s MIJ faker.
Some absolute schlager musik from the Tremeloes there.
Hard to tell about the bass as the dark areas of that footage are incredibly dark. The airborne violins appearing in frame every time that pitchy Mellotron notes appears is a deft artistic touch.
Better shots of the JG Ric here. Looks legit. Pre-73, 1/2" spacing, wide inlays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UESXW3vmsi4
What a fun-spoiler Ilan is. :-\
What's next, that Golgotha was never found and didn't exist? :popcorn:
Bearded Holländers, a droning Hammond, classical melodies and a 4001, what's not to like?!
https://youtu.be/LgWyk2H_yVo
Gibson can replicate a thousand shades of burst from any given day in its history and Rickenbacker can't spray anything remotely similar to that lovely (and gradual) 60s-70s burst.
Some of those Ric glows are serious pieces of art. There's gradations on the sides , neck and headstock . It's not just the front and back.
Quote from: uwe on July 30, 2024, 01:06:13 PM
Bearded Holländers, a droning Hammond, classical melodies and a 4001, what's not to like?!
https://youtu.be/LgWyk2H_yVo
Horns and no guitar. Cool!
Quote from: morrow on July 31, 2024, 06:09:25 AM
Some of those Ric glows are serious pieces of art. There's gradations on the sides , neck and headstock . It's not just the front and back.
Yeah, they sadly seem to have stopped doing that fairly recently. My '93 4003S/8 FireGlo isn't perfect, but it's beautiful.
I take it then that Ekseption were an unknown quantity in the US! In Germany, you could pretty much put a bet on it that anyone who owned ELP and The Nice albums in the late 60s/early 70s, also had something from Ekseption. They even had hit singles and albums (in The Netherlands and Germany) with some of their classical adaptions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlsFqpWgUxA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSJ7jvq3e08
All these bands ultimately go back to this guy here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kR3Vsa52nc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyqvoK6RXnQ
Ekseption were the kind of band where your music teacher in school would say: "Well, these guys can at least play!"
Rob, are you related with the Ekseption trumpet player Rein van den Broek?
I never liked bursted sides. Sunburst started as a nod to old violin tops that get darker near the edges. Obviously I'm in the minority opinion on this but bursting the edges makes no sense to me, logically or aesthetically. Same for bursted Ric headstocks. YMMV
Herr Weller with an unorthodox right hand style on a 4003/4001 ...
And his acolyte with a 4005 that actually belonged/belongs to Paul Weller and was loaned to Noel for the recording of the fourth Oasis album ("Standing On The Shoulders Of Giants ...") when the band were temporarily without a bassist, with Noel rising to the occasion with typical Mancunian swagger: "
Well, it's only a friggin' bass, how hard can it be?!":
Actually, his bass riff in the verses is a nice one, a little on the psychedelic side.
Quote from: uwe on November 18, 2024, 04:50:43 PMHerr Weller with an unorthodox right hand style on a 4003/4001 ...
What, you never heard of slap bass? ;D
On this particular song at least I DON'T HEAR IT! :mrgreen:
Rare: Trevor Bolder, otherwise an EB-3 and P-Bass player, frees you with a 4001 ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c4wHbaQ9a0
The late Ed Gagliardi with a lefty 4001:
Interestingly, he was a righty, but chose to play lefty "
out of admiration (for) and devotion to Paul McCartney", so Wiki claims.
Wide guard, probably pre-1971
Quote from: uwe on November 21, 2024, 05:12:58 AMRare: Trevor Bolder, otherwise an EB-3 and P-Bass player, frees you with a 4001 ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c4wHbaQ9a0
I've seen Trevor with a Ric before, but not that one. Pretty sure it was black. I'd like to get a closer look at this white one. Wonder what's going on where the treble pickup goes?
Quote from: uwe on December 02, 2024, 03:30:58 AMThe late Ed Gagliardi with a lefty 4001:
Interestingly, he was a righty, but chose to play lefty "out of admiration (for) and devotion to Paul McCartney", so Wiki claims.
There's a guy in a Chicago-based Beatles tribute that switched to lefty.
And I'm pretty sure Ed had a greenburst Ibanez Rickenfaker early on.
The Damned, one of England's first punk bands, playing live five months ago. Paul Gray gets a great Ric tone from his 80s Red/BT 4003. As a teenager in 1977 I was subscribed to the Melody Maker when it covered the punk revolution, mainly The Clash, The Damned, The Sex Pistols, and the Boomtown Rats.
Listen to his playing on the album version from 1980. He's a great bass player.
"The Damned, one of England's first punk bands ..."
I know, we have a lot of Yanks here, Ilan, but do you really have to explain who The Damned are?
Cultural learnings to make benefit great nation of USA! :mrgreen:
Paul Gray, the bassist in question, committed adultery in the 80s with Heavy Metal/AOR AND - adding insult to injury - a Gibson Non-Rev, tsk, tsk, tsk ...
I actually saw that particular UFO line-up live and it wasn't bad at all! "Atomik Tommy" (McClendon) was kinda like as if Yngwie J Malmsteen had been born in the Empire of the Rising Sun (rather than the Kingdom of Knäckebröd), but he was good fun and compelling to watch at the time - a vely cute lil' shleddel! And Paul Gray a cool bassist of course.
Quote from: uwe on January 06, 2025, 07:44:13 PMAND - adding insult to injury - a Gibson Non-Rev, tsk, tsk, tsk ...
A Gibson with a FENDER PRECISION BASS pickup is indeed adding insult to injury.
Well maybe he wanted a good sound, let's not split coils about it!!
This song was everywhere for a brief while when I was a teenager. Twenty years later... I'm struggling to deal with this song being two decades old this year.
The Coral were reasonably big in the UK. A band that made fairly lightweight rumpty-tump indie music, but inexplicably attracted a boisterous football crowd. A few mates went to see a reunion a few years ago and had to dodge flying bottles of piss from the 'get the badge in/get the bags in' crowd.
Quote from: Alanko on February 11, 2025, 09:16:15 AMThe Coral were reasonably big in the UK. A band that made fairly lightweight rumpty-tump indie music....
What a great descriptive phrase! I'll have to remember that one.
Hard to beat siblings singing together. They were a really good band.
AFAIK Andy Winter owns this bass.