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Gear Discussion Forums => Other Bass Brands => Topic started by: pilgrim9 on January 21, 2014, 04:32:41 PM
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I pealed the plastic off one of the Artec pickups in my new Bachbird and it makes a big difference in the tone and output over just grinding down the corners to fit when you are using the Chrome metal covers! Really brought the bass to life.
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Ahhhh yes! There's nothing so satifying as stripping some black plastic off of a pickup :o
Just don't tell Uwe!
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I pealed the plastic off one of the Artec pickups in my new Bachbird and it makes a big difference in the tone and output over just grinding down the corners to fit when you are using the Chrome metal covers! Really brought the bass to life.
If you haven't done so already, swap the pots out as well. Nice CTS pots really help these basses out a lot!
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Pots & cap switched by the previous owner so no work on that. It just sounded muffled with the chrome plastic under metal.
Ahhhh yes! There's nothing so satifying as stripping some black plastic off of a pickup :o
Just don't tell Uwe!
Pealing chrome plated plastic so I think I`m safe on this. I am gathering the parts to switch my sunburst Epi classic to all chrome. I think sunburt Tbirds look so much better with chrome.
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Ah, another chrome fetish thread is about to explode! :o
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Got any pics of the pickup after the peeling? How difficult was to peel it?
Its the first time I hear that a plastic pickup cover alters the sound, that's interesting.
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Got any pics of the pickup after the peeling? How difficult was to peel it?
Its the first time I hear that a plastic pickup cover alters the sound, that's interesting.
What alters the sound is the metal cover. With proper test equipment and procedure that can be proved. Removing the plastic has very little effect, if any.
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Losing the plastic could possibly loosen the coils and make them more microphonic, which definitely will make them sound more "alive," but most folks wouldn't like that.
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I presume the covering is "metalised" and therefore could have a minor effect as it's so thin, but putting it back in a thicker can could be helping to accentuate the field...?
Something for the alchemists amongst us...
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The plastic covers are chromed inside and out so pretty easy to peal it, the epoxy does not stick real well to chrome. Just a block of epoxy with a wire sticking out. The big difference might be getting the pickup closer to the strings? The bass just sounds brighter now not microphonic. The plastic is about 1/16" and there was another 1/16" of some kind of glue holding the metal covers on. The metal covers are about half as thick of material than the plastic covers. I also put a little foam under the bridge side of both pickups to get them to set parallel to the strings with the 2 hole covers. (http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w427/pilgrim9/DCP_0549.jpg)
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The plastic covers are chromed inside and out so pretty easy to peal it, the epoxy does not stick real well to chrome. Just a block of epoxy with a wire sticking out. The big difference might be getting the pickup closer to the strings? The bass just sounds brighter now not microphonic. The plastic is about 1/16" and there was another 1/16" of some kind of glue holding the metal covers on. The metal covers are about half as thick of material than the plastic covers. I also put a little foam under the bridge side of both pickups to get them to set parallel to the strings with the 2 hole covers. (http://i1075.photobucket.com/albums/w427/pilgrim9/DCP_0549.jpg)
Aha! Pretty sure the difference is related to removing the metal covers...are they steel (very magnetic) or nickel silver (slightly magnetic, your new covers are made of that. Steel is used to spread the magnetic field, a good idea with the slug magnet Artecs and also to shield the coils. Seymour Duncan uses metal screen to do that. Your new NS covers do a similar thing, providing a shield and affecting the mag field. They also 'sweeten' the sound. ThunderBucker could explain it more clearly but that's the best I can do.
Getting the magnets closer to the strings also has a huge effect on sound, emphasizing treble over bass.
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Stainless steel... the better quality products are non magnetic - go check them folks - if a magnet sticks it's cheap steel... taken enough of it to the scrappies over the years... best quality is reserved for fish-prep, which has a slightly bluer sheen... absolute bugger to work with...
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Stainless steel... the better quality products are non magnetic - go check them folks - if a magnet sticks it's cheap steel... taken enough of it to the scrappies over the years... best quality is reserved for fish-prep, which has a slightly bluer sheen... absolute bugger to work with...
"Nickel silver" also varies in magnetism depending on percentage of nickel in the alloy with copper and zinc. Brass is absolute shite when used for covers, really muffles tone.
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What is the best answer, I wonder...
What's Steve's view - iirc, you say he's experimented with field studies...?
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What is the best answer, I wonder...
What's Steve's view - iirc, you say he's experimented with field studies...?
I'll see if I can get him to post something. He's dealing with a few family issues. I'm at the limit of my pickup knowledge, I'll be needing some hip boots if I make any further comments.
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I won't accept that retreat (even with your Italian ancestry) from a swamper... ;D
(but will allow you to defer to greater knowledge) ;)
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Interesting, I put the same metal covers back on. I just removed the glue and plastic covers on the Artecs. I left the plastic for the screw holes on the Artecs for alignment. The metal covers just set over the pickup and the screws hold em on, no glue.
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Might be worth a wax pot to stop any potential vibration issue...
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Might be worth a wax pot to stop any potential vibration issue...
That was probably the intended function of the thick layer of adhesive.
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the glue was just on the top of the Artec plastic cover to hold on the metal covers that had been added. It was not a factory glue, the pickups are just rectangles of black epoxy so they are still sealed like from the factory.
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the glue was just on the top of the Artec plastic cover to hold on the metal covers that had been added. It was not a factory glue, the pickups are just rectangles of black epoxy so they are still sealed like from the factory.
Thanks, I think I now understand the situation. I thought you had added the covers yourself. Didn't realize you were redoing them, that makes more sense. I doubt Artec gives a hoot about shielding their pups.