The Last Bass Outpost
Main Forums => The Outpost Cafe => Topic started by: Highlander on January 15, 2013, 11:51:15 AM
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"We can order it for you, Sir..."
Those words echoed through my childhood... there was a chainstore familiar to both sides of the Pond called Woolworths that is long gone here, but it is where my late dad, in the 60's, used to go and buy the number one UK single every week, but once I got into more specialised music but shopped locally did not even stock Alice Cooper records or tapes... So, around the corner was this little record shop, and although they did not have a massive stock level they would order some items for you, for a reasonable deposit... I bought Billion Dollar Babies there, and Muscle Of Love, and WTM Nightmare, as well as some GFR, Made In Japan (by some minor UK outfit barely known by this forum's members), RB's Rainbow... all my formative stuff... I had two items on order for a year: one came in which I still have, albeit now mine after my dad passed as I got it for him; it is now considered to be Scotland's "National Anthem" and was the original artist/release on a private label in Scotland, so it has more than sentimental value... the other item was called Man On The Silver Mountain and due to a technicality it never came in - turned out it was released under the guitarists name, and not as a band name... I did eventually track it down but have now passed it on to someone who appreciates it more than I...
So, what has this got to do with what has happened today...? Well, the UK's last music chain-store, HMV, went into administration and is on the verge of closing it's doors forever...
As a company they failed to embrace the digital market and has been struggling to make headway for some years... this is symptomatic of the modern-world's love of the internet... only 10% of the UK is on-line, but so much music and DVD's are now bought via that means... Here, now, the only large-scale access to music and DVD's will only be through the "Wallmart" type outlets...
As for that "specialist" outlet...? Now gone and the site is part of a shopping centre/mall that has been there for over twenty years - the building of it also took out the instrument shop where I bought the Peter Cook...
The joy of browsing through a record shop and picking up a tape, an LP, or a single, or a video, or nowadays, a CD or DVD, even a computer game, are consigned to history, unless it is a top-ten seller...
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There was a story about HMV on National Public Radio's Morning Edition today. Another casualty of advancing technology.
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We still have a couple decent bricks and mortar stores, where you can even buy lp's if you want...I found a CD title recently that is out of print, and that I have searched for, for at least 20 years. Was kind of cool.
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the only hmv in atlanta bounced out of here about twenty years ago. however, we have several good used record stores where you can find a lot of good stuff on vinyl and cd.
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I bought a lot of albums and CDs at HMV in Manchester and Liverpool. Truth be told though, I bought far more at an indy shop in Bolton called X Records. That place had more bootlegs, B-side singles, and oddities than any shop I've ever seen and that includes both coasts in the U.S. They were even on the 'net in the late 90's but somewhere along the way they also disappeared...
I spent hours as a teen in local record shops. We had a few really good ones with imports and some bootlegs. I had the first Ozzy album before it was released in the US, discovered Iron Maiden, Hanoi Rocks, and a bunch of other bands, and was able to pad my collection buying used records. It was always fun to discover some new band I'd never heard of, even if they didn't become a favorite. I like that (with the internet) I can find and buy from all over the world these days, but I do miss looking through the bins.
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I'd spend hours looking through bins at thrift stores back in the early to mid 80's. Half Price Books was great back then too. I found so many treasures at that place. Their vinyl selection is still (barely) there but it's not the same...... :sad:
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I grew up with a few small shops. In Palatine, the local music store decided to branch out, and opened up a record/head shop called 26 North. It was an old house. It was where I first heard Rory Gallagher (doing "Catfish"), and discovered the original Rolling Stone publication. They had some clever moves. They couldn't sell the Fantasia soundtrack, so they put it in the "Underground" bin, and it started selling.
Then, there was Hotter Than Mothers. They were the place to go for imports. Scorpions, and I was there the minute they cracked open the box of the new Deep Purple Made In Japan (on the Purple label).
Yeah, those were the days for record buying. Spending hours looking at the covers, and reading the liner notes. Sometimes, I bought records just because of those.
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There are still about ten real record stores here, including a couple that deal only in vintage records.
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A sad day, indeed.
The next victims are to be .................................. Musical Instrument Shops!!!!!!!!
I worked in a music shop, in the late 70's and at that time, if you wanted a pick,
some strings, a lead, guitar, amp. . . . . . you had to go to a music shop, there
was just no other way.
Fast forward to the begining of on line selling.
I know LOADS of musos who went to the shop, spent an hour in there - without spending
a single penny, deciding what they wanted, then going home and ordering it on line!!!
I kept tellin' 'em. . . . . One day. . . . .!
You know the rest!
There was just not enough business to survive and a lot have gone to the wall. :-[
It won't be too long before most of them are gone!
I suppose that's change.
Horses lost out to Steam, Steam lost out to Diesel. . . . . .
I too spent many a happy hour in HMV and left the shop having BOUGHT something.
Cheers. :)
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We used to go straight to the "cutout bin" at Rolling Stone records (which is still there today) in Chicago (Norridge to be exact) and pick out weird stuff like Eloy, Nash the Slash, Jane, etc. THEN go to the regular A-Z section. ;D
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A sad day, indeed.
The next victims are to be .................................. Musical Instrument Shops!!!!!!!!
I worked in a music shop, in the late 70's and at that time, if you wanted a pick,
some strings, a lead, guitar, amp. . . . . . you had to go to a music shop, there
was just no other way.
Fast forward to the begining of on line selling.
I know LOADS of musos who went to the shop, spent an hour in there - without spending
a single penny, deciding what they wanted, then going home and ordering it on line!!!
I kept tellin' 'em. . . . . One day. . . . .!
You know the rest!
There was just not enough business to survive and a lot have gone to the wall. :-[
It won't be too long before most of them are gone!
I suppose that's change.
Horses lost out to Steam, Steam lost out to Diesel. . . . . .
I too spent many a happy hour in HMV and left the shop having BOUGHT something.
Cheers. :)
Shopping the local store and then ordering online certainly does happen, no doubt about it.
OTOH there have been too many times when the local shop just won't keep what I need in stock. You make a trip there only to find that they're out of your strings -- again.
Either that or the price is way out of line. I know a small business has expenses that an online store doesn't. If you charge $20 for strings that I can buy for $17 or $18 online, I'll buy from you. If you charge $30 and whine about how slow business is, then I'll order online.
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If you charge $20 for strings that I can buy for $17 or $18 online, I'll buy from you. If you charge $30 and whine about how slow business is, then I'll order online.
That's how I am. I always have shipping charges in the back of my mind so if I'm in a shop and their price isn't that much more than I'd pay with shipping, I chalk off that few extra bucks as a convenience fee for getting it "now," rather than waiting. No biggie. Much more though and I figure I can wait a few days.
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I'm the same way...my local shop sells ernie ball bass strings for the going rate, so that's what I buy...banjo strings are roughly 2x the going rate i.e. $6 instead of $3, but I still usually buy them there.
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Blockbuster DVD/game rental was added to the endangered list today... long time since I rented a DVD...
George... http://www.xrecords.co.uk/ (http://www.xrecords.co.uk/)
Possibly somewhat like tasting a favourite food from years gone by that just does not taste as good...?
Robert... did you ever pick up that Solid Senders CD...? seen it a couple of times on greedbay from a US seller...
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Cool! Last time I spoke with a friend near Bolton they told me the store had closed. Glad to see they're still around!
Of course the bootlegs are nowhere to be seen. I wonder if there's a secret database or something...
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It works the other way too. I shop for tires at tirerack.com; paying attention to the reviews I chose the tires I wanted and went to my local tire store and bought them. They were even about the same price delivered and installed.
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Robert... did you ever pick up that Solid Senders CD...? seen it a couple of times on greedbay from a US seller...
I haven't yet. I may have to look for it in the bay.
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Dave is right - the Twin Cities area is blessed with plenty of record/tape/CD shops. In fact one of them took out a couple of rows of CD and replaced them with the hot seller - vinyl. Or vinyls if you're a kid. But there are still plenty of decent stand-alone music shops in every place, and lps are moving more than CDs for the crowd that likes their music physically holdable. Nothing like Sam The Record Man, Tower, Strawberries, etc. But still there. Go browse-I do!
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I've been casually looking for some Albert Collins albums for a few years. NOBODY, not the used CD stores, not Amazon, not eBay, had what I was looking for. The first time I go to Raven Records', a local mainstay for many years that recently expanded, new shop, they have TWO albums I don't for $5. That was cool.
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its hard to find albert collins records without a horn section. that's been my dilemma.
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This just in...Rush to the rescue!
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/business/Retail_and_leisure/article1197662.ece
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"Universal Music, Warner Music and Sony are set to cut the price of CDs and DVDs, and give the retailer generous credit terms."
About time. CDs are unnecessarily expensive. This may only operate on the wholesale side, leaving HMV more room to generate funding, and I'm OK with that too.
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"Universal Music, Warner Music and Sony are set to cut the price of CDs and DVDs, and give the retailer generous credit terms."
About time. CDs are unnecessarily expensive. This may only operate on the wholesale side, leaving HMV more room to generate funding, and I'm OK with that too.
Proof that the CDs were way overpriced to begin with.
OTOH I don't think anything will stop the overall slide in CD sales.
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I hate CDs. The ONLY thing truly good about them is that you can put many of them in a small space.
Since I do a radio show, it happens at least once a show that one of the three cd players refuses to play a certain cd. My cd player at home won't play certain cds. The other day at the station I opened up a cd case and the cover detached, the book fell out, the cd rolled across the floor and the back of the case fell the other direction. What WAS an easy play turned into a 4-piece clusterf*ck.
I walked out of my house the other day and the four cds I was carrying slipped out of my hand onto the porch floor. Busted all of them.
Albums never have any of these problems. Plus, any record player will play any record (unless the record is a speed the record player can't handle). And really, if you take care of your records, they sound better than cds.
Even that a CD allows you to listen to the entire recording all the way through doesn't quite override the disadvantages.
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Even a curmudgeon like me can see that it's easier to download songs to an MP3 player or Ipod and then simply feed the car stereo from there. There's nothing worse than a front seat full of CDs and cases. At one point, my son must have had a couple hundred of them in his car. Of course, last I knew, he was becoming a vinyl snob.
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used to love bin shopping. As a kid we had a discount store EJ Korvettes ( 8 Jewish Korean Vettes) that sold top 100 albums for 2.99. remember taking the NYC bus there on saturdays and buying a album about every month such as Aqualung, paranoid, LZ II etc. As i got older there were many great record shops in manhattan and many had "cutouts" for 1.99 and some had promotional copies where i bought many new wave bands of tye early 80's. Generation after us (really more like 2+ ) have never experienced the store experience and they are the target consumer right now. The internet generations have and will continue to doom most retailers. Think about it. most of us buy basses off feebay or each other or on line stores without ever playing it befire. If you told me i would have done that 30 years ago i would laugh at you....
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I also shopped for records at Korvettes when I was a young kid, Woolworth's too. Then when our local Korvettes went under, it was replaced by Caldor's, they had a good bargain bin also. Bought my first few records at the Union Flea Market in Union, NJ. The had a couple really good booths there with new and used vinyl.
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Yeah, Korvette's was the place for cheap records. I got my first copy of Ziggy Stardust there for $2.99. My best score was a sampler, The New Age of Atlantic, that was a mere $0.99. On vinyl, it had the very first released version of both "Hey, Hey, What Can I Do" from Led Zeppelin, and also "America" by Yes. It was years before either showed up on a release from the actual artists.
Bin shopping was great. A lot of my record collection was gotten simply because of the album cover. I would never have heard Johnny Winter if I hadn't been interested in the album I picked up a SS Kresge one day. Osibisa was the same way. Roger Dean certainly helped sell a lot of vinyl back then. So did Hipgnosis.
I was one of those college kids who bought an album a week, or more.
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I hate CDs. The ONLY thing truly good about them is that you can put many of them in a small space.
Since I do a radio show, it happens at least once a show that one of the three cd players refuses to play a certain cd. My cd player at home won't play certain cds. The other day at the station I opened up a cd case and the cover detached, the book fell out, the cd rolled across the floor and the back of the case fell the other direction. What WAS an easy play turned into a 4-piece clusterf*ck.
I walked out of my house the other day and the four cds I was carrying slipped out of my hand onto the porch floor. Busted all of them.
Albums never have any of these problems. Plus, any record player will play any record (unless the record is a speed the record player can't handle). And really, if you take care of your records, they sound better than cds.
Even that a CD allows you to listen to the entire recording all the way through doesn't quite override the disadvantages.
Denis - my viewpoint is based on having grown up with 45s and LPs.
CDs are smaller, more robust, harder to damage, easier to cue up (and no damage from a stylus) and if one falls on the floor, you pick it up. If an LP or 45 falls on the floor it can pick up dust or grit that damages it. I've never had a factory CD generally fail to play - although I think I might have one or two with one bad cut on them.
Unlike computer files - which can easily get deleted or misplaced, and which often are only available in compressed formats - a CD can be used to burn as many copies in as many formats as needed. The AVI format on CDs is high quality and allows all kinds of alternative format copies to be created.
All in all, although I can see why CDs are declining in popularity, I'd much rather have one than a downloaded compressed file with fidelity inferior to the CD.
And I think one reason CDs are declining is that they're overpriced. A CD of anything more than a few years old should be about $5 at the most.
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... Albums never have any of these problems...
Denis...! shame on you for telling such a barefaced lie... ;D
Lets not mention snap, crackle and pop, nor the hop, skip and a jump, let alone the accidental scratch or dropping one edge on or wowowowow or...
I have already embraced the future of music... :vader:
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I grew up on LPs as well, and still have all of mine, as well as a couple of 45s. Records won't skip if you take care of them and your turntable. I always kept mine clean and always put them back in the sleeves when I'm finished playing with them.
And, I sure have had cds fail to play on certain players. When you're cueing up 3 cd players with a bunch of surf or punk songs and CD player refuses to play it's CD it's real pain in the ass having to remove the cd in player 2 and swap them out.
I've had cds crack through the middle before because the tabs on the jewel case were too long and wouldn't release. And they will scratch, no matter what anyone says.
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An old friend of mine, who became a recording engineer (his cousin is a famous nutball guitarist), was an analog freak. The big difference between vinyl and digital is the analog vs. digital signal. I think the quality has caught up, but it took a lot of technology to get there.
Still, my friend had a stereo and turntable rig that he said was able to clearly show the difference between the two, and that the analog signal was superior. Of course, he spent a small fortune doing it. His turntable certainly didn't have a quarter resting on the tone arm to keep it from skipping. 8)
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Are you really telling me you've never broken an LP, ever, Denis...?
I still have quite a few LPs and Jackie still has her old C&W stuff but the turntable has not been out of the roof in a very long time - last time was to transfer some old (still unavailable) Loretta Lynn recordings, first to CDR, and now as MP3s...
At the peak of my vinyl junkiedom I had around 5000 LP's and 2000 45's - I broke or scratched plenty of them due to slovenly handling - I'm cured now... ;)
No matter how hard I tried, Gary, I never perfected the turntable for the white-van-man...
Hasn't Neil Young settled on Bluray for his audiophile obsessions...?
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i still have my vinyl, about 750 or so but i must admit i usually just put on the cd as it is easier and they are right there instead of in my storage room.
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I will say that I'd have enjoyed doing my years in radio broadcasting when I could have used CDs rather than 45s. But I probably would have been tempted to do multiple cuts off one CD. It sure would have saved my listeners listening to a lot of crackly music at the start of 45s where they had been cued up too often. I still have 45s and LPs with bad crackle at the start from being cued up.
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you have to work hard to break a record. i never have except on purpose. ;D
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This thread seems like a good place to share this pic - funny, but sadly true! ;D
(http://cs402223.userapi.com/v402223203/8e43/w27t19yUQbw.jpg)
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LMFAO...!
I've dropped my #2 ipod several times and never scratched or snapped an MP3... :vader:
I used to work in a record shop during my shift work days at Heathrow in the 70's and the shop had a tiled floor behind the counter - an "edge-on" drop usually resulted in a write-off...
They make great but lethal frisbees too... ;D
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/davepix/buy-the-whole-album_zps7669b9fe.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/davepix/buy-the-whole-album_zps7669b9fe.jpg)
Grandpa, tell us about the days when every song on an album was good, and not just one. 8)
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... and those ten minute a side country releases... ;D
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I thought this was interesting.
(http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/uploads/c7/54/c754a049aa1aaa07390190e6a28865f6/30years.gif)
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THAT is a very cool graph, Dave! Interesting to see where we've come from and where we are. What's the source?
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does that thing count only new sales or does it include used stuff on ebay and brick and mortar stores. i read recently that vinyl acounted for 7% of sales in 2011. for the past several years the records companies have been reissuing tons of old and new titles titles on heavy vinyl.
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The source is Digital Music News (http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/).
I don't think it covers used sales. They do have a current article about the increase in vinyl sales (http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2013/20130103vinyl) last year (and for the last few years).
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Fascinating...
Roshina surprised us this week by (indepentantly) coming out with the comment that she'd like to by a turntable...?
Something that she's been thinking about for a while, apparently, and she's firmly planted in the digital age...
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I don't think it covers used sales.
Consider the irony of "used" music in the digital age: Record labels hate used music stores with a passion and have tried to leverage royalties out of them for many years. It's gratifying to see that with vinyl, indie music stores are growing on a model that market trending says should be dying. It is no small irony that the little hip joints selling used LP's have done better than the huge media conglomerates who tried so hard to stamp them out.
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That's the tricky bit with the "old and/or retired" MP3... with an LP or a tape you could swop it or exchange it or etc... swopping MP3's is somewhat frowned upon...
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a long time ago i bought an lp called axis:bold as love , a new zealand pressing.then i bought it again as a uk import on heavier vinyl which sounded slightly better. i also bought a casssette of it to play in my car.when cds happened i bought it on cd(ho hum sound quality).then i bought the carlos olms digital mix on cd,then i bought the eddie kramer remastered cd(its slightly bright)theres another version of it out there but i think im done paying for it now.im sure it will be issued on holographic suppository or whatever the next format is but all i ever wanted was a copy that sounded good thank you very much.im sure i could work up a good dose of righteous indignation at the record companies but if i come across a good sounding flac file of it well i might feel morally vindicated for storing it on my hard drive.on a happier note, i have started playing my lps again ,most enjoyable!there are a couple of good used record shops here in wellington too , they seem to be doing ok.
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At Filmore East has been a serial purchase of mine - original Capricorn, then a quad copy, then an original pink label copy, the original CD release, then the special edition extra track copy (skipped one superdedoopa version), and now the beast sits on this skinny aluminium can...
I think we just want to capture that magic of the first time we listened to something we considered to be so perfect but will never be just so again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezPZxfS1jys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkBdtjq_26s
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At Filmore East has been a serial purchase of mine - original Capricorn, then a quad copy, then an original pink label copy, the original CD release, then the special edition extra track copy (skipped one superdedoopa version), and now the beast sits on this skinny aluminium can...
I think we just want to capture that magic of the first time we listened to something we considered to be so perfect but will never be just so again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezPZxfS1jys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkBdtjq_26s
Being from a place in which the influence of the Allman Brothers was just totally beyond words, I can identify with the statement "something we considered to be so perfect but will never be just so again."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAyaw4ktO5g
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And then there were/are the little shops that offer up bootlegs. I remember a couple places that did that. I had a few boots that I liked:
Live at Blueberry Hill - Led Zep (my high school band used to do the versions of their songs from this over the studio versions)
Good-Bye, Jimi - Jimi Hendrix, on gold vinyl no less. Had some cool live stuff, and his instrumental of "Sunshine of Your Love"
Un Reve Sans Consequence - King Crimson. Years later, Fripp would buy the original tape (I think), remix, remaster, and release on DGM as The Night Watch.
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And then there were/are the little shops that offer up bootlegs. I remember a couple places that did that. I had a few boots that I liked:
Live at Blueberry Hill - Led Zep (my high school band used to do the versions of their songs from this over the studio versions)
Good-Bye, Jimi - Jimi Hendrix, on gold vinyl no less. Had some cool live stuff, and his instrumental of "Sunshine of Your Love"
Un Reve Sans Consequence - King Crimson. Years later, Fripp would buy the original tape (I think), remix, remaster, and release on DGM as The Night Watch.
You can get the Hendrix "Sunshine of Your Love" on several official releases now, of course, both studio and live. God only know how many Hendrix bootlegs there have been. But I always just stuck with official releases. There are plenty of those, in fact, probably too many.
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You can get the Hendrix "Sunshine of Your Love" on several official releases now, of course, both studio and live. God only know how many Hendrix bootlegs there have been. But I always just stuck with official releases. There are plenty of those, in fact, probably too many.
True enough, but back in the mid '70s, they were a treat.
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True enough, but back in the mid '70s, they were a treat.
Oh, yeah, I think the people who took advantage of that at the time had great fun. At least with Hendrix, it's often the people who know everything about the bootlegs who seem to be so well-informed.
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Live at Blueberry Hill - Led Zep ,Un Reve Sans Consequence - King Crimson.
ha, that woke up some dormant braincells.had both of those back around 1979 i think.
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I still have a stack of vinyl boots and some KBFH type stuff - probably Neil Young tops the pile for quantity... I had several LP's worth of unreleased material at one time and heaven only knows how many versions of Hurricane, etc...
There is one a few stunning boots that have now had a legitimate release - Skynyrd's Cardiff Peaches (one of the best live versions of Freebird I have) and F Mac's "Will the real F Mac please stand up" jump out from memory - I have both of these on CD and now as MP3's - how many of you remember all those radio shows and they were (almost) all "released" to the stations on vinyl, usually with liner notes, cue tracks, promo reals and/or in special sleeves or big boxes - I still have quite a few of those - a lot ended up on CD too...
How about Tom Petty's greatest unreleased track "Dog On The Run" - I have to admit to being highly hacked off that they only issued that on the superdeedooper archive release - I have a "boot" of the "official" and a tape of the UK copy which had 5 tracks as opposed to the US copies 4 tracks...
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Actually, now that I think of it, I have (or had) the ultimate boot. It was WB&L live, and the show I attended. My friend brought a cheap Panasonic cassette recorder and taped it. Years later, he remastered it at Smart Studios and sent me the CDs. It's really lo-fi, and has a LOT of Jack Bruce, since we were about 20 feet away. If I still have it, anyone interested in having it?
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i think the ultimate boot might be the buddy rich 'bus tapes'.
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... If I still have it, anyone interested in having it?
Ah, you may have piqued my interest... pm'd
Nofi... care to expand on that BR info... hmm info is a Nofi amagran... ;D
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For those of us attached to the Outpost Dropbox, I put a goody up there. :mrgreen:
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Back to allegedly dying forms of recordings: the lathe-to-turntable movement (http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/carrboro-musician-wesley-wolfe-has-catalyzed-the-lathe-to-turntable-movement-of-local-music/Content?oid=3269199)
There's a link to a related article detailing how he does it. Much too involved for me, but then again, I like my digital recordings.
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so its expensive with "low sound quality and poor durability". sounds perfect. :rolleyes:
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Kind of off subject a bit...........After 37 years in Austin they finally tore down Ray's store (as well as all the other stores in the complex) to make room for more condos! The South Lamar area of Austin is really booming and the landscape is changing so fast I can't even keep up with it. I remember seeing Stevie Ray Vaughan at Ray's sitting on a fender amp and just wailing. This was in early 1982 just after I arrived in Austin. I found many good deals at that place. Shame it is no more.
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It is a shame but you know how many times more valuable that land is compared to when it was built. Unfortunately the new owners thought it was too expensive to keep using it as only a low-rise strip center.
Is Ray going to reopen somewhere else?
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there are shite loads of strip malls in atlanta that have been pretty vacant (pun intended) for years. yet they keep building them and tearing up/down lots of nice stuff in the process.
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This aired last night on out local PBS station, might be of interest to some of you. Tom Hazelmyer (AmRep) on how his interest in punk rock turned into a real record label, and what he's doing with it now, including a look at his handmade album covers for the Melvins.
"People still want the object." Well, some of them do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez-WgTqQ558
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It is a shame but you know how many times more valuable that land is compared to when it was built. Unfortunately the new owners thought it was too expensive to keep using it as only a low-rise strip center.
Is Ray going to reopen somewhere else?
He moved everything to the original Temple, TX store. I heard that it has been rough on Ray.
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He moved everything to the original Temple, TX store. I heard that it has been rough on Ray.
That's too bad. Greeting customers and talking with them has been such a big part of his life. I remember him telling me that he had worked every business day since 1960.
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I'm no purist...every LP I ever owned sounded like crap from learning all the songs.
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For those of us attached to the Outpost Dropbox, I put a goody up there. :mrgreen:
I've lost my link - who has the reigns these days...?
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reigns? where wer'e going we dont need no stinking reigns!
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The reign in Speign falls meignly on the pleign...?
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by george he's got it.
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George...? George...! You got the reigns...?