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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: mc2NY on October 11, 2012, 08:37:32 AM
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Does anyone know how prevalent custom color 1964-65 reverse TBirds with the matching headstocks were?
I've only seen photos of a few. Most of the custom color ones I've seen have had the black headstock with only the edge painted to match the body.
Anyone know what determined which way a custom color one was painted? Did it have to do with the particular color, or as-ordered by the customer....or just whatever mood the paint guy was in that day?
Also....was there any standard rule on custom colored TBirds as far as Gibson painting the control cavity to match or was it still silver? Same with the truss cavity? Or was the rule "NO rules!" and they all just vary?
Anyone have good photos of original custom colored examples with and without the headstocks matching?
Here's a nice '64 Cardinal Red one
(http://home.earthlink.net/~mc2/images/64CardinalRed.JPG)
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Ah, finally someone agrees with me!!! There are people here adamant that all black headstocks are refinishes. Not so.
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I concur. By spec they should be matching color, in practice I believe you will see both.
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If it's Gibson, it has been done sometime somewhere.
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If it's Gibson, it has been done sometime somewhere.
And done oddly, if it was for a bass.
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Oddliness is next to godliness!
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Speaking of "oddliness"......
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360497404857
Original Vintage 1965 Gibson Firebird III 3 RARE Reverse Body Non Headstock
(http://home.earthlink.net/~mc2/images/TBird_BigBird_SmWebb.jpg)
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But (in a voice filled with anxiety) won't Big Bird (a non-income tax payer if I've ever seen one!) be out of a job very soon once the Latter Day Bain has taken over?!!!!
(http://hitchcock.tv/mov/psycho/images/psycho7.gif)
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I found this picture on my computer and have no information at all about it.
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But (in a voice filled with anxiety) won't Big Bird (a non-income tax payer if I've ever seen one!) be out of a job very soon once the Latter Day Bain has taken over?!!!!
(http://hitchcock.tv/mov/psycho/images/psycho7.gif)
Dude makes more than Romney! He'll be fine without the extra scratch. ;)
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I like Big Bird. Slow roasted.
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Dude makes more than Romney! He'll be fine without the extra scratch. ;)
:thumbsup: Sesame Street doesn't rely on federal funding. It is self-reliant and gets its own funding. It's a lot of the smaller PBS stations that will be in jeapordy.
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wot? a politician saying something thats not strictly true? ;)
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:thumbsup: Sesame Street doesn't rely on federal funding. It is self-reliant and gets its own funding. It's a lot of the smaller PBS stations that will be in jeapordy.
No, we gave them some money for new jobs :-[
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I like Big Bird. Slow roasted.
:o
(children are coughing and spluttering, running to their parents with tears streaming from their eyes, inconsolable with grief, all across the Mid West)
Dave, next you'll be inferring that Santa is a ficticious figure and his workshop is (tax deductably) not based at (or in the region of) the North Pole... :o :sad:
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(children are coughing and spluttering, running to their parents with tears streaming from their eyes, inconsolable with grief, all across the Mid West)
Dave, next you'll be inferring that Santa is a ficticious figure and his workshop is (tax deductably) not based at (or in the region of) the North Pole... :o :sad:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/davepix/humor/Howtoruinyourkidsday.jpg)
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But (in a voice filled with anxiety) won't Big Bird (a non-income tax payer if I've ever seen one!) be out of a job very soon once the Latter Day Bain has taken over?!!!!
Yes...."evil" Bain Capital...without them, the entire U.S. musical equipment/audio/DJ industry might collapse, should they go out of business and close up their network:
Guitar Center and it's sister companies/subsidiaries incorporate Music & Arts, Musician's Friend, GuitarCenter.com, LMI, Giardinelli, Musician.com, Private Reserve Guitars, Woodwind and Brasswind and Harmony Central.
If most manufacturers lost a major percentage of their sales in this ecomonty, they would likely go under. Hard to think of Mitt Romney as holding up the music industry, no? Maybe explain that to the Occupy Wall Streeters banging on drums and playing guitars and kazoos. Would sort of suck protesting and having to bang on tree stumps and washtub basses instead (those are so hard to drag around....that is almost like real work.) The OWS folks would never walt to do real work...so, in cyclical reasoning....Bain Capital is supporting Occupy Wall Street!!
Romney should have used that argument in his debate...hahahaha.
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"Guitar Center and it's sister companies/subsidiaries incorporate Music & Arts, Musician's Friend, GuitarCenter.com, LMI, Giardinelli, Musician.com, Private Reserve Guitars, Woodwind and Brasswind and Harmony Central."
Bain Capital holds stock in all of them? I didn't know they were so strong in retail as opposed to production. For the record: I have no issue with Romney's investment background (which on balance probably created more jobs than it cost, those companies were in the majority already sprawling before the raiders came) and he's probably the most intelligent, thoughtful and educated Republican candidate since Richard Nixon (who had his demons, but wasn't ignorant). (Now, if you wanted to say something nasty about modern US politics you could add that those three traits will make him lose the election right there! :mrgreen: ) That doesn't make me agree with his policies (whether adopted for convenience or out of conviction), but he's certainly a more qualified candidate than many before him. He's a decent guy, old-school middle-of-the-road conservative, worse things have happened.
And when I watched the 2nd debate I thought to myself that both men - if you take away the party rhethoric and their skin pigmentation - aren't such hugely opposed characters deep down inside. They're both brooders and careful (over-)analyzers. If Dems and Reps were forced into a coalition by some outside threat (Martians!!!), those two "decent guys" could probably do it and get along in one administration.
Those who know me know where my preferences lie, but the currently close race doesn't have me lose sleep. And that 2nd debate was in fact entertaining as both men offered more substance (not too much of course, hey, they are both schooled and well-oiled politicians! ;) ) than you regularly see at these kinds of events. So in a perverse way both Obama and Romney demonstrate that the politcal system of the US - for all its inherent flaws - can still generate an incumbent and a candidate that you don't have to be aghast about even if you're in the other camp. :toast:
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I found this picture on my computer and have no information at all about it.
Wow! I have 3 of those 5 basses in the exact same color scheme...
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Did you do a black headstock on the Inverness NR?
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That pic with 5 T-Birds came possibly from me. It belonged, in the beguinning, to two persons in my hometown, who's collecting all kinds of stuff connected to the rock scene, and sent that card for Christmas or something like it one year. Before I retired I worked as a reporter at a regional newspaper. Wrote about these collectors over two full - big, in those days - sides. Don't have it. Was foolish enough to think I'd have no interest in looking at the old stuff... How wrong one can be...
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Did you do a black headstock on the Inverness NR?
No sir. Same as the body.
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Dave needs a visit from the Good Beer Fairy.
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Bain owns 100% of GC stock, they took it private in 2007 (long after Mitt left Bain, BTW). GC had bought MF outright around the turn of the century. The other companies had been bought up either by MF or directly by GC by the time Bain took over.
GC has had a poor bond credit rating for the last 2 or 3 years. Moody's downgrades GC (http://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-revises-Guitar-Centers-Speculative-Grade-Liquidity-Rating-to-SGL--PR_238972). That doesn't mean they will fail, though.
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Doesn't it still seem odd to write "the turn of the century"?? That gives me pause for a moment.
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Bain Capital holds stock in all of them? I didn't know they were so strong in retail as opposed to production.
Yep....From Wikipedia:
On June 27, 2007, Guitar Center agreed to $1.9 billion buyout from Bain Capital, totaling $2.1 billion including debt. The deal was led by Goldman Sachs and amounted to a per-share price of $63, or a 26% premium on the June 26 closing price. The deal was approved by shareholders on September 18, 2007, and closed October 9, 2007.[8]
"Guitar Center is the largest chain of musical instrument retailers in the world[1] with over 200 locations[2] throughout the United States. Its headquarters is in Westlake Village, California.
Guitar Center's sister companies/subsidiaries incorporate Music & Arts, Musician's Friend, GuitarCenter.com, LMI, Giardinelli, Musician.com, Private Reserve Guitars, Woodwind and Brasswind and Harmony Central
In mid-2009 Guitar Center opened a rehearsal studio facility in Woodland Hills, California. The eight studios with full backline range in size from 350-550 square feet.
Guitar Center also hosts annual events such as the Drum Off, King of the Blues, contests, and artist appearances throughout the nation."
I think Bain Capital has been largely labeled as "job killers" largely for political spin. There are far more companies they have reorganized and saved than failed and closed. Just more political BS about "capitalism is evil."
I think the person who comes out as the biggest winner from this Presidential campaign is Mitt Romney's wife. After he's been coached and trained to finally come out of his quiet bubble and get more aggressive, his wife finally gets to switch out of 35 years of missionary position :)
***Man....This topic about Gibson Custom Colors sure has made some strange turns and weaves.....
Speaking of which...So, I'm thinking that the variances regarding painted neadstocks or black with just the rim painted must have been from orders of "custom color" or "custom color with matching headstock?" That seems to make sense. Or "custom color with a few beers for lunch," could also still be a possibility I guess?
Anyone here know any oldtimers who used to work at Gibson Kalamazoo back in the early 60s? I bought my black Les Paul Signature from one, who was later a repair guy in the area. I may reach out to him to see what he remembers.
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Doesn't it still seem odd to write "the turn of the century"?? That gives me pause for a moment.
Well, we're already into the second decade. Gotta happen sometime.
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Perfect, Dave... just perfect... ;)
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Anyone here know any oldtimers who used to work at Gibson Kalamazoo back in the early 60s? I bought my black Les Paul Signature from one, who was later a repair guy in the area. I may reach out to him to see what he remembers.
Contact Jules (EvilLordJuju) either through here or his Vintage forum, he took a trip to Kalamazoo about three-four years ago and interviewed some of the old-timers. I think he plans to eventually post an article at Fly Guitar.
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Well, we're already into the second decade. Gotta happen sometime.
Two more years to go for WW I reloaded! And 8 years more for the Roaring Twenties.
I think I'll take a 12 year sabbatical from Germany though come 2033. 8)
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But (in a voice filled with anxiety) won't Big Bird (a non-income tax payer if I've ever seen one!) be out of a job very soon once the Latter Day Bain has taken over?!!!!
(http://hitchcock.tv/mov/psycho/images/psycho7.gif)
Found this on Urban Dictionary:
7. Big Bird
The sexual act of eating a dozen eggs (either cooked or raw), then vomiting the rubbery yellow mess onto your partner's chest.
Similar to a Cosby Sweater, in that both cause your partner to resemble beloved childhood icons.
"Hey Diana, can you pick up some eggs on the way home from work? I'm in the mood for a Big Bird."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=big%20bird&defid=1148216
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Found this on Urban Dictionary:
7. Big Bird
The sexual act of eating a dozen eggs (either cooked or raw), then vomiting the rubbery yellow mess onto your partner's chest.
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"SEXUAL ACT?!?!?".....Eating a dozen eggs and barfing them up on your partner? Is this from the Roseann Barr sex manual?
I guess I date the wrong type of type of women. If they ever threw up it was because they were bulimic and ate a salad.
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I don't what's more disturbing, the fact that you found it (or were looking for it), or that this is popular enough to warrant not only a label, but also an online dictionary entry. ???
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I'm always in the mood for learning new things I guess! :P
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Wow!....And here is a second 1965 Reverse Firebird with a Non Reverse Headstock on EBAY at the same time as the other one! Crazy.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=221141239112
1965 Gibson Firebird III - Sunburst - REVERSED! - Original Owner! RARE!
Always strange how ones you rarely see seem to pop up two at a time.
In the last week two different Hamer Impact 5-strings popped up...one for like $4000 and the other for like $400 on Craigs List !!
I also had searched for over ten years for a 4-digit 1981 Hamer Cruisebass...and then two popped up within the same week. The only other I'd ever seen for sale was Sting's.
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There are some very sick minds at Urban Dictionary. Half the stuff there is impossible to believe.