My first bass 37 years ago was a Hofner 500/1. Now I bought this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/221056564102?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_641wt_1396) for $470. Should arrive in 2-3 weeks.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Hofner-1964-Senator-Bass-Not-Working-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMTk1/$(KGrHqJ,!igE-8GNUy!gBP5yqNqw+Q~~60_10.JPG)
Wow, that's so beautifull!! I love simple basses and this one's great in that way! Congrats!!
Quote from: ilan on July 01, 2012, 10:58:21 PM
My first bass 37 years ago was a Hofner 500/1. Now I bought this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/221056564102?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_641wt_1396) for $470. Should arrive in 2-3 weeks.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Hofner-1964-Senator-Bass-Not-Working-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMTk1/$(KGrHqJ,!igE-8GNUy!gBP5yqNqw+Q~~60_10.JPG)
Oh yeah, I love it. Is it the new RI?
Nope it's a '64 what a great deal!
Nice score, especially at that price. Should be easy enough to get the electronics working.
Where does the battery go...? ;D
8)
Dang, that's purty.
I am sooooo envious! :mrgreen:
I have been resisting this for weeks :sad: http://www.ebay.com/itm/290728021847?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Have you played one or would you gig with it or should you take some antacid to relieve that bloated sensation...? :mrgreen:
Never played one, would never use it onstage another dust collector I'm afraid albeit a cool dust collector. I doubt it would relieve any bloated sensation I may be having, cycling and my green drink in the am are helping with that ;)
I played the Stu and I like it!
It's a cool looking bass, I just can't see the appeal of Stu Sutcliffe's name being attached to it.
Quote from: Dave W on July 04, 2012, 09:02:55 AM
It's a cool looking bass, I just can't see the appeal of Stu Sutcliffe's name being attached to it.
It's like Neubaum Turk. . . "yeah I heard of that guy"
Quote from: Rob on July 04, 2012, 09:10:40 AM
It's like Neubaum Turk. . . "yeah I heard of that guy"
:mrgreen:
I've heard of him too! Does he play a Hofner? ;)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zp_b_B4LTk
In fact Höfner doesn't call his name. I believe it's just called President or Präsident or it has the 500/something code. People call it Stu.
Quote from: godofthunder on July 04, 2012, 06:49:11 AM
I have been resisting this for weeks :sad: http://www.ebay.com/itm/290728021847?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Me too, I'm watching that one too!
Now lets have a clean fight, no biting or hitting below the belt...
No need to fight there are 4 available. ;D
Oh my gawd...! there's only four left...! You'll create panic buying letting stuff like that become public knowledge... :o ;)
Quote from: Dave W on July 04, 2012, 09:17:50 AM
:mrgreen:
I've heard of him too! Does he play a Hofner? ;)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zp_b_B4LTk
Just an MC for a one armed violinist
Quote from: godofthunder on July 05, 2012, 08:08:19 AM
No need to fight there are 4 available. ;D
I'm still mulling it over. I'm happy with my 5123 and the EB-650 for now. Not sure it would get much play time.
I got a real jones for a Club right now. The Icon just seems to far off the mark (even being hollow, the neck is way different and I'm wary of the Indonesian build and electronics) and I'm too cheap to pay the 800 or whatever a CT would run me even if I had the money (and the real one is way out of my league these days). If anyone sees a used Contemporary Club for sale, let me know! ;)
Quote from: OldManC on July 08, 2012, 06:20:42 PM
I got a real jones for a Club right now. The Icon just seems to far off the mark (even being hollow, the neck is way different and I'm wary of the Indonesian build and electronics) and I'm too cheap to pay the 800 or whatever a CT would run me even if I had the money (and the real one is way out of my league these days). If anyone sees a used Contemporary Club for sale, let me know! ;)
I love my Club. Played it at my last two gigs and everyone loved the tone. I did have to sell a bass and some parts to fund a German model. It was worth it in the end.
I've been looking at stuff and wondering what I could off to fund a Hofner. :mrgreen:
I played the President today, what a beautiful piece of work I can not believe it is made in China. Seven hundred seems a steal. I want it but I sure don't need it.
Go for it then, Scott, as a late b/d treat, then if it doesn't work out at least you've got rid of the itch and sell/chop it in and consider the loss as a "rental" cost... Bill might even be interested then as a cut-price item... :vader:
We've all done stranger things...
You never know, it might work out... ;)
Sigh................. Big help you are Kenny. ;)
I have moments... ;D
Not a flaw could I find with this bass, lovingly crafted. Fine grain selection, the inlay on the headstock masterfully executed.............................even the tuners were little works of art.
Quote from: godofthunder on July 10, 2012, 03:00:42 PM
I played the President today, what a beautiful piece of work I can not believe it is made in China. Seven hundred seems a steal. I want it but I sure don't need it.
At the HOG?
Oh Shit! ;) Bill save me from myself ! Yeah it's at the HOG
Quote from: godofthunder on July 10, 2012, 06:34:26 PM
Oh Shit! ;) Bill save me from myself ! Yeah it's at the HOG
You don't need no stinking hollow body! There. Did that help?
As I've said before, never wait until you actually need a bass to buy it. OTOH if you know you're not going to play it, don't buy it. It wants to be played by someone.
Quote from: Dave W on July 11, 2012, 01:15:03 PM
As I've said before, never wait until you actually need a bass to buy it. OTOH if you know you're not going to play it, don't buy it. It wants to be played by someone.
If I won't play it, I'm less likely to buy unless it's collectible. I actually don't play most of my collectible basses out in the band or on gigs for various reasons. I've gravitated to the Club and the jazz because they are right on tone-wise for me and they are easy players.
It just so appeals to the Beatle Fan in me. Being MIC I don't think it will ever be super collectable, if it were MIG that would be something!
No hijacking intended, but the Hofner is the bass of choice by Deerhoof these days.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m70j2iWvN11rz53cbo1_500.jpg)
Quote from: godofthunder on July 11, 2012, 02:14:27 PM
It just so appeals to the Beatle Fan in me. Being MIC I don't think it will ever be super collectable, if it were MIG that would be something!
I heard (was it here?) the German version will be out soon. Now that would be something to see! :o
The price will be something to see!
Quote from: godofthunder on July 11, 2012, 02:47:31 PM
The price will be something to see!
Oh, I'm sure the price would knock your socks off! My Club has gone up $500 since I bought it at last year's price. Glad I ordered it when I did. So, have you decided what to do?
I am going to hold off, I don't need it that's for sure. She sure is purty though.
Just wait a while, the euro is on its way down. You can thank Greece and Spain.
Quote from: godofthunder on July 12, 2012, 07:55:21 AM
I am going to hold off, I don't need it that's for sure. She sure is purty though.
I agree, I don't need another bass at this stage. I'm leaning more toward collectable or non-China/Japan made.
Quote from: Dave W on July 12, 2012, 09:28:31 AM
Just wait a while, the euro is on its way down. You can thank Greece and Spain.
You forgot to mention Germany! :P
Quote from: exiledarchangel on July 12, 2012, 04:36:12 PM
You forgot to mention Germany! :P
At least Greece now has a recovery plan (http://glossynews.com/top-stories/unamerican-world-news/201206200336/greece-plans-to-close-budget-deficit-by-reloading-big-fat-greek-wedding-franchise/). :mrgreen:
Quote from: Dave W on July 12, 2012, 09:22:31 PM
At least Greece now has a recovery plan (http://glossynews.com/top-stories/unamerican-world-news/201206200336/greece-plans-to-close-budget-deficit-by-reloading-big-fat-greek-wedding-franchise/). :mrgreen:
;D. I love that Germany takes no responsibility for making loans they should have known had a big possibility of not being repaid.
If Sicily were officially independent (price tags there still have both Euro and Lire pricing) no one in his right mind would expect repayment on a loan. Sicilians and Greeks share a lot of culture.
Quote from: dadagoboi on July 13, 2012, 07:03:48 AM
;D. I love that Germany takes no responsibility for making loans they should have known had a big possibility of not being repaid.
If Sicily were officially independent (price tags there still have both Euro and Lire pricing) no one in his right mind would expect repayment on a loan. Sicilians and Greeks share a lot of culture.
Couldn't agree more. Sicilians are descended, in large part, from both ancient Greek and later Byzantine Greek settlers after all.
Quote from: exiledarchangel on July 13, 2012, 07:28:26 AM
Couldn't agree more. Sicilians are descended, in large part, from both ancient Greek and later Byzantine Greek settlers after all.
There's a line in The Godfather, 'more Greek than Italian.'
When I was a kid our Anglo neighbor who had been stationed at the US Navy base on Sicily used to call my father, "Greek."
Quote from: dadagoboi on July 13, 2012, 07:36:49 AM
When I was a kid our Anglo neighbor who had been stationed at the US Navy base on Sicily used to call my father, "Greek."
That's always a good thing. Or maybe not! :P
Good one Dave. Maybe they should film it in Germany, where the money is.
I received the Senator this morning. Beautiful bass but needs some work.
First off, it needs a neck reset. Right now the action is higher than on my upright (and I play arco). The bridge base needs some shaping to fit the top. And then there's the wiring.
Even with the mile high action I enjoy playing it. Maybe 3 years practicing the upright have made me less finicky about the action. It's full hollowbody - no center block - I like that. Unplugged it's louder than my Gretsch which is also full hollowbody.
It's extremely lightweight - like a classical guitar, maybe less. Slight neck dive but not as serious as a Beatle bass.
This is a crappy 1st pic through the mirror with my cell phone... better pics later.
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll127/ilanlukatch/photo.jpg)
So cool !
Sure looks nice. I'll bet you'll be able to whip it into shape.
That was a great score! Seems that the need for neck resets is fairly common on the old Hoffies? A little TLC and I'm sure you'll have it back in top form. Stunning bass!
Quote from: chromium on July 24, 2012, 04:25:40 PM
Seems that the need for neck resets is fairly common on the old Hoffies?
Yep. I found this (http://www.customguitars.com/hofner.html) web page that explains why:
"These neck heels are glued into a pocket by hide glue alone, with no tenon or dovetail joint to help hold it, just like a violin. Getting these necks out is a very different from say, a Martin neck."
(http://www.customguitars.com/images/hofner4.jpg)
Quote from: ilan on July 25, 2012, 12:52:51 PM
Yep. I found this (http://www.customguitars.com/hofner.html) web page that explains why:
"These neck heels are glued into a pocket by hide glue alone, with no tenon or dovetail joint to help hold it, just like a violin. Getting these necks out is a very different from say, a Martin neck."
(http://www.customguitars.com/images/hofner4.jpg)
That IS a tenon. A neck reset is routine maintenance on just about ANY fully acoustic guitar after 25 years, including Martins, truss rod or not. It's basic physics and strength of materials. NICE BASS!
My '65-'66 Hofner had a reset when I bought it in '71! At that time it had pulled away from the body less than a 1/16 of a inch. That is enough to F things up and to this day the bass has a shaved bridge. I have always wanted to get it fixed. Years ago I sent it to one local Luthier and he could not get it apart, so I have let it be. :( Maybe I should send it back to Hofner.
I am so jealous, I can't look at this thread!
Quote from: dadagoboi on July 25, 2012, 01:29:26 PM
That IS a tenon. A neck reset is routine maintenance on just about ANY fully acoustic guitar after 25 years, including Martins, truss rod or not. It's basic physics and strength of materials. NICE BASS!
And a dovetail tenon at that. It doesn't have a tongue as in typical solid body set neck construction. Otherwise I don't understand why that author thinks it's so different from a typical acoustic neck joint.
No reason it can't be taken apart and reset. If you don't have a luthier you can trust to do it right, there's always the Stew-Mac neck joint steamer. They have a neck removal jig too but you'd probably have to build your own to fit the Hofner.
Ordered a new bridge today. My luthier (a violin maker who is also an excellent classical upright bass player) will be back from France on Sunday, I'm sure he can reset the neck and shape the bridge base to fit the top perfectly.
Should be nothing unusual at all for him, then.
I'm just afraid he's going to charge me upright rates... they are insane compared to guitar repair bills.
I hope he lets me stay and watch. I want to know how to remove and reset Hofner necks.
all old hofners have the issue. One of these days i will need to get arounfd to me old club bass.
that is a sweet looking bass. enjoy
It an easy repair for any luthier worth his salt. The neck on those Höffies comes out easier than on other basses. I had a reset on mine too, no issue.
Often enough, the necks on those old Höffies warp too which then entails honing down and refretting (as it did on mine). So be thankful, Ilan, if yours just needs a reset. "Made in Germany" or not, these basses were not built to last half-centuries.
Uwe, the truss rod works fine, the neck had a slight bow which I corrected with less than a quarter turn. I will know more once the neck is in the correct angle and the action is good. Even if it needs a refret, there is no binding so it's fairly simple.
And now I think I have earned the right to learn how to type that umlaut. Anyone?
EDIT: göt it.
You did that nicely, Ilän.
Just found this:
The sound of the letter ö is similar to the sound in "earn" or "bird".
I have a feeling few pronounce Hofner correctly who are not native speakers. "Porsche" is a walk in the park comparatively and maybe 10% of Americans get it right.
Quote from: dadagoboi on July 27, 2012, 09:45:03 AM
"Porsche" is a walk in the park comparatively and maybe 10% of Americans get it right.
And...that 10% doesn't count anyone in the South.
Quote from: dadagoboi on July 27, 2012, 09:45:03 AM
Just found this:
The sound of the letter ö is similar to the sound in "earn" or "bird".
I have a feeling few pronounce Hofner correctly who are not native speakers. "Porsche" is a walk in the park comparatively and maybe 10% of Americans get it right.
The Porscheeeee thing is Janis Joplin's fault, for all her qualities (and I recommend the new Pearl remaster which is fantastic) she taught you wrong. It's "Porshuh".
Höfner? It's longlishly pronounced like the u in "hurt", the emphasis on the long vowel ö and not the F following it: Huuuuuu-f-nur".
And next week, German class? We'll resolve the secret why Krauts tell you the time of day if you order them "Fish pate bit uh!"
Quote from: uwe on July 27, 2012, 12:13:09 PM
The Porscheeeee thing is Janis Joplin's fault, for all her qualities (and I recommend the new Pearl remaster which is fantastic) she taught you wrong. It's "Porshuh".
Average American doesn't get as close as Janis did, usually it's called a Poorsch.
Quote from: dadagoboi on July 27, 2012, 01:23:44 PM
Average American doesn't get as close as Janis did, usually it's called a Poorsch.
I remember the one about the blonde who went door to door looking for handyman work and a guy said he'd give her $100 to paint his porch white. She came back an hour later says "I'm done, and by the way, it's it's a Volvo, not a Porch."
Quote from: Dave W on July 27, 2012, 04:30:34 PM
I remember the one about the blonde who went door to door looking for handyman work and a guy said he'd give her $100 to paint his porch white. She came back an hour later says "I'm done, and by the way, it's it's a Volvo, not a Porch."
:rimshot:
I attempted an f-hole surgery on the Höffie today. Pots work fine and there are no broken solder joints. The pickup has about 10% of the normal output.
Also the pickup mounting ring was sanded down at the bottom, probably to lower it.
The bridge base is shaved too.
So: the pickup goes to be rewound, the carcass for a neck reset, and I ordered a new reissue bridge. Anyone has a spare mounting ring? It's the smaller type with 4 height adjustment screws in the sides. I will also look for a correct tone knob, the set screw is shot.
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll127/ilanlukatch/hofnerf-holesurgery.jpg)
"The bridge base is shaved too."
That is what Höfner owners do as the neck angle starts to wander. A classic symtom. It works for a while, but after a few years you cannot escape the inevitable reset.
I think at this point this thread can be moved to "Projects, Mods & Repairs"...
Quote from: ilan on July 28, 2012, 02:03:24 PM
I think at this point this thread can be moved to "Projects, Mods & Repairs"...
We'd like to see the progress.
So I took the pickup today to the local pickup guru. I'll know tomorrow if it's a simple fix or if it needs a rewind.
Next I took the bass to my upright bass luthier. He noticed an interesting thing. The body has a "bass bar" under the top like a violin-family instrument, running the length of the body, but for some unknown reason it's under the treble side, not the bass side. The bass bar has started to delaminate and will be glued back without opening the body, it can be done with a special clamp through the f-hole - we are lucky the f holes are wide - and he will use the output jack hole to inject the glue.
He removed the neck and showed me that it was removed before. It was an amateur job... whoever did it made small nail holes in the pocket walls to "help the glue". My luthier said that carpenters do things like that. The neck was glued with plastic adhesive... but he said not to worry, he can deal with it.
Here is the pocket right after the neck was removed. the small pieces of missing veneer are from the amateur reset. Those will be fixed too.
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll127/ilanlukatch/photo1.jpg)
:popcorn:
I had no idea they used a bass bar in an electric, and no idea why it would be on the treble side.
The neck reset should be fairly easy for him.
Even dis-assembled, that is a beautiful, graceful instrument. Obviously designed by people who cared.
Quote from: patman on July 30, 2012, 05:53:00 AM
... Obviously designed by people who cared.
Yes, by 17th century Italians from Cremona. ;)
The neck reset is an easier fix than the veneer repair would be. Looks pretty straight forward. Just be sure things line up properly before you glue! Might need a new base for the bridge too. A new bridge is a cheap fix.
The original bridge is shaved beyond restoration. At its max height it's still 4mm below the Hofner specs for min height. I ordered a replacement and the luthier will make sure its a perfect fit to the top curve, like you would on an upright.
I imagine the neck reset and bridge fitting will cost you almost as much as the bass. You got a bargain at £300, though, and when he's done it should be good as new or better.
Buying a Höfner and keeping it means that you'll have to do these investments sooner or later. Look at the neck body contact, that just can't last forever.
Update: the delaminated bass bar was glued back. It was detached from under the top at both ends. We discussed installing a soundpost. I did some googling and found that Gretsch has used soundposts on some arch tops, to suppress feedback by getting the top and back moving in unison.
The nice piece of flamed maple he used to protect the top under the clamps is a leftover from a violin side.
Tomorrow he will glue the neck into place.
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll127/ilanlukatch/bassbar.jpg)
The neck is glued back in place. Next the luthier will shape the bridge base to fit the top curve like they do with violin family bridges.
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll127/ilanlukatch/photo3.jpg)
being a hillbilly, I always did that with double sided tape and sand paper applied to the bass top....how does a real luthier do it?
@patman: From what I've seen they use chalk until they see a perfectly uniform footprint of the bridge feet. I was told this can take up to 3 days with upright basses.
Strung!
The shaved bridge is still on the bass, on a maple strip. I'll bring the new bridge to the luthier today after work.
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll127/ilanlukatch/photo5.jpg)
Very very nice!
one way is to use a contour gauge for the rough measurement on the body.
Great rolling bench/double bass jig! I like the use of a single band clamp to hold the neck into the pocket while the glue dries. Did he use hide glue?
Quote from: dadagoboi on August 06, 2012, 06:03:55 AM
Did he use hide glue?
Of course. And he assured me that if the bass ever needs another neck reset, it will be an easy and quick job.
The new bridge base has to be carved to fit the top. It's made to fit a 500/1 top, which is more curved due to the small body. The Senator is less curved there. So as is, the bridge base only touches the body at two points, on either side. This needs to be fixed. This whole thing is not going to be cheap, I'm afraid.
And then the bass will need fret leveling/redress. Still no verdict on the pickup.
You'll still treasure it when it's done.
Okay, I'm giving up on the pickup. Bought this 60's Hofner pickup off eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/180935982978?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_716
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/VINTAGE-1960S-KAPA-HOFNER-STAPLE-TOP-BASS-PICKUP-GOOD-USED-CONDITION-3-/00/s/Nzg3WDgyMQ==/$T2eC16NHJIYE9qUcM76YBQDZ-0OGzg~~60_1.JPG)
Maybe later I'll try to fix the original pickup.
This pic of a 500/8 bass shows a soundpost!
(http://www.vintagehofner.co.uk/vintage-hofner/bass/bas9e.jpg)
I don't see how it can hurt the sound to have one installed in yours.
Ilan, I have a 1964 500/5 (President) in all original perfect condition. However I have always felt I could get a little more out of it if the Hofner bridge was not just in contact on those 2 points. I think if the bridge was made to be in total contact would be a little more effective. Is that what you are having your luthier make? If not could you ask him? Thanks
Quote from: copacetic on August 16, 2012, 12:06:53 PM
Ilan, I have a 1964 500/5 (President) in all original perfect condition. However I have always felt I could get a little more out of it if the Hofner bridge was not just in contact on those 2 points. I think if the bridge was made to be in total contact would be a little more effective. Is that what you are having your luthier make? If not could you ask him? Thanks
Pictures of a few hundred double bass/cello bridges. ALL contact the body at 2 points only. Same with archtop guitar bridges.
https://www.google.com/search?q=viola,+cello+bridge&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=zjl&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=L0EtUP3AMoiK8QSPrYDACA&ved=0CAsQ_AUoAQ&biw=1133&bih=533#hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=NP6&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=double+bass+bridge&oq=double+bass+bridge&gs_l=img.12..0j0i24l9.115814.118987.0.124325.11.11.0.0.0.0.160.1322.2j9.11.0...0.0...1c.BbFDBkw3jMA&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=13bc2f125afc60ba&biw=1133&bih=533
There must be a reason they're made that way.
Because full contact would stiffen the top and deaden sound on an acoustic instrument that relies on a flexible top? Just a thought, but if so that wouldn't apply to an electric instrument.
I think Uwe is correct...on a banjo, the more mass a bridge has, and the larger footprint it has, the less sound you get.
i don't think it would have any affect on an electric bass unless you're noodling on it unplugged. the hofner doesn't 'rely' on a flexible top for sound like an acoustic does. it has those pick up thingies.
I think one would still hear it. It just wouldn't be as "live" and fun and responsive to play.
I've read that the heavier the bridge is, the harder it is for the top to vibrate. The same principle might apply to a bridge with too much contact area.
Brad (hollowbody) ought to know, he does violin repair.
Correct, Dave. On a violin, it's a balancing act between mass and stiffness. You want the bridge to be as thin as possible to allow the top to vibrate freely but still be strong enough to support the string tension. It probably won't make too much of a difference if you were to put a solid bridge on it but I think it would look funny.
I do wonder about that "soundpost." It appears to be in a position that wouldn't do much for sound. More than likely it's there for structural support.
The bridge feet should be in full and perfect contact with the top for optimal sound. That's the case with all violin/viol family instruments. I remember my upright before and after having the bridge done... it's critical.
Copacetic, any violin maker can shape it for you. They rub chalk under the bridge feet and check the "stamp" on the body until it's a perfect fit.
Uwe: The top should be flexible, but that's what the f-holes are for. Their sole purpose is to make the area of the top surrounding the bridge vibrate more freely. Good contact of the bridge transfers the string energy to the top, and the f-holes help it vibrate. That is why violins don't have round sound holes like guitars.
Quote from: ilan on August 07, 2012, 04:41:17 AM
Okay, I'm giving up on the pickup. Bought this 60's Hofner pickup off eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/180935982978?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_716
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/VINTAGE-1960S-KAPA-HOFNER-STAPLE-TOP-BASS-PICKUP-GOOD-USED-CONDITION-3-/00/s/Nzg3WDgyMQ==/$T2eC16NHJIYE9qUcM76YBQDZ-0OGzg~~60_1.JPG)
Maybe later I'll try to fix the original pickup.
wow that looks just like the pickups on my japanese Pan bass. I guess Hofner is where they cloned them from . I'd be happy to fix that pickup for you, mainly just to see whats inside. It might just be an internal solder joint. Charge a nominal fee-not much, tho I might have to buy a reel of wire, if it turns out to be something I don't stock. email at thunderbucker@gmail.com
Oops, I put it yesterday on eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261083313745?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_500wt_1414) and it already has one bid! Do you think I can still pull it?
EDIT: I can't end the auction. Still 5 days to go. I'll think of something.
Anyway, a friend who occasionally rewinds vintage pickups took it apart and said it's not just a simple broken solder joint. One coil is OK and the other one is dead. It's a very thin wire, btw, significantly thinner than Fender wire.
I figured that if I can buy a working period-correct pickup for $125, that's a good deal.
Quote from: ilan on August 17, 2012, 10:23:53 AM
Oops, I put it yesterday on eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/261083313745?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_500wt_1414) and it already has one bid! Do you think I can still pull it?
EDIT: I can't end the auction. Still 5 days to go. I'll think of something.
Anyway, a friend who occasionally rewinds vintage pickups took it apart and said it's not just a simple broken solder joint. One coil is OK and the other one is dead. It's a very thin wire, btw, significantly thinner than Fender wire.
I figured that if I can buy a working period-correct pickup for $125, that's a good deal.
No worries, if you end up needing it fixed, let me know. It'll cost just a little more than a spool of wire, about $40-50 (that counts shipping). I am curious about what is inside these things...
Quote from: ilan on August 17, 2012, 10:23:53 AM
Do you think I can still pull it?
EDIT: I can't end the auction. Still 5 days to go. I'll think of something.
Ilan- you can end an auction with bids if its >12 hours before the auction's end. You have to first cancel the bid, and then it should let you end the auction. I had to do that once to accomodate the sale of an item outside of ebay.
I cancelled the 3 bids and now I get this:
These listings cannot be edited, because of following restrictions:
Item #261083313745 - Vintage 1964 Hofner bass pickup - not working, for restoration or parts
This feature cannot be used with this item because it is an Auction-style Format item
Quote from: ilan on August 20, 2012, 09:46:50 AM
I cancelled the 3 bids and now I get this:
These listings cannot be edited, because of following restrictions:
Item #261083313745 - Vintage 1964 Hofner bass pickup - not working, for restoration or parts
This feature cannot be used with this item because it is an Auction-style Format item
Try this link to end your listing: http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?EndingMyAuction
Been a while since I've had to do that, but there's more info here if it helps: http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/end_early.html
Okay... that worked. The item was ended. Thanks, chromium!
Thunderbucker: check your mail.
On Thursday my son took the Senator to a jazz gig at a gallery opening and I got a chance to hear it from the audience in a band context.
Strung with TI Jazz Flats and played through a GK MB150 combo, it sounded very "acoustic", like halfway between electric bass and upright. More open and slightly punchier than a "Beatle bass".
My son commented that he would like to raise the action on the E string side, but otherwise he loved it.
4.4lbs., by the way. It's the Weightless Wonder.
Sounds like that is one awesome bass.
Was this using the pickup you bought on eBay, or has the original been repaired?
ilan, what sort of jazz does your son play. when i hear the word jazz i think of mostly upright players, except for dave holland with miles davis. bass guitar people speak of playing jazz and i am curious as to what artists they are talking about.
In the Cincy Rockers, we still play stuff like "Fly Me To the Moon" and "Misty" "Route 66" et al...
"Blue Skies" and "This Masquerade"...both of the front people in the band love singing that stuff, and people who come see the band love to dance to it. Sometimes when we play the dancers in the crowd are the most amazing thing...
I like to get on the electric upright and try to make it swing, although I can't be a dyed-in the wool jazzer- (I like all kinds of music--with the exception of most metal and rap)
Quote from: Dave W on September 09, 2012, 05:06:08 PM
Was this using the pickup you bought on eBay, or has the original been repaired?
The one I bought on eBay. I still intend to send the faulty one for a rewind and then A/B them and use whichever sounds better.
Quote from: nofi on September 10, 2012, 07:33:56 AM
ilan, what sort of jazz does your son play. when i hear the word jazz i think of mostly upright players
Mostly standards, very traditional. Guitar, alto sax, drums, bass. But they also played Jaco's
The Chicken, you want a horizontal bass for that one.
Now my daughter likes it... she plays alto sax.
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll127/ilanlukatch/5D305E405E005D405D505D405D405D505E405E005E80.jpg)
Quote from: ilan on December 01, 2012, 01:05:51 PM
Now my daughter likes it... she plays alto sax.
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll127/ilanlukatch/5D305E405E005D405D505D405D405D505E405E005E80.jpg)
That's a very cute picture!
Quote from: ThunderBucker on August 17, 2012, 09:56:35 AM
I'd be happy to fix that pickup for you, mainly just to see whats inside
Got the pickup back, installed it, sounds great, the bass is back to original (except for the bridge)... Great job on that old pickup, Thanks bro!
What beauty! Nice bass too! :). Nothing more heartwarming than our kids playing an instrument. Music is so good for the soul!
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll127/ilanlukatch/Hofner%20Senator%20Bass%201964/houmlfner_zpsddb5f961.jpg)
Ah, a soft warm Polaroid moment, beautiful!
Exactly... It was taken with the "Xolaroid 2000 San Francisco 1972" Retro Camera iPhone app. It captured the exact color of the bass, that the stock iPhone camera can't. I would rather not have the "film scratches" effect, but other than that, this is how the bass looks in real life.
Now it's my iPhone wallpaper.
Very nice photo, sure doesn't look like anything done with an iPhone camera.