Never seen one of these before. Are they any good?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Epiphone-Gibson-5-Str-Bass-Guitar-Dual-Rail-MINT-/110740598608?pt=Guitar&hash=item19c8a76f50#ht_1690wt_1067
I've never played or heard one. They were heralded by Epi as the next big thing and then went away quickly and quietly. By nature, these things are hilariously neck-heavy (someone who owned one once said), which can't be rectified but lived with, and the pups aren't great, which can't be lived with, but can be rectified. They hardly ever show up so sales during their comparatively short lifespan (two years or even less) must habe been minimal.
I'be played with the thought of getting one to pimp up ... TB Plus pups should work magic here. Maybe I should go for this one if no one else wants it here?
IIRC, there was also another 5 string Epi model introduced at the time, was it an LP?
It sure looks neck heavy, but the all black finish probably has something to do with it. The headstock looks strange with five tuners on it; not symmetrical yet not asymmetrical enough.
That is something even Dave W can't argue with: Finish does influence weight. We should have thought of it before.
At the neck joint, that neck looks wide enough to land a small plane.
I have the LP version of that bass, and the neck is pretty massive. It looks to be about 3 1/8" at the end of the fretboard.
The LP doesn't sound much different probably, so how does it sound? Does the B string cut through?
It's a nice bass, but could use better pickups. The huge neck is a little hard for me to zip around on, but playing fewer notes is sometimes better. The B string is...OK. The pickups sound a little harsh to my ears, kind of cheap.
Ah, the old Epi disease then, enhanced high mids to make them seem louder and get heard better over a beginner's rig. It does sound a little nasty and cheap though.
I call it "the mid freq hell".
I've got a set of Ebay pups from an Epi TBird Pro V coming tomorrow, including pots and pre. Coincidentally the guy who's buying the first JAEbird V told me yesterday he got rid of his because the pickups didn't cover the B string. He thinks they use the same pups in both the 4 and 5 string models. Epi seems to drop the ball in the pickup department quite a bit.
some of pickups from the Pro series had issues, hopefully the ones you're getting are trouble free.
Quote from: ramone57 on September 07, 2011, 04:05:40 PM
some of pickups from the Pro series had issues, hopefully the ones you're getting are trouble free.
Thanks for the info. These are from Riceage so they are probably pretty new. No biggie, they were only $60 shipped and they're basically 'research'.
That was an issue with the first batch - they eradicated it subsequently. Those Pro pups sound nothing like the reg Epi fare at all. They have no mid bias but focus on bass and presence. But there are mids enough.
Quote from: uwe on September 07, 2011, 05:30:23 PM
That was an issue with the first batch - they eradicated it subsequently. Those Pro pups sound nothing like the reg Epi fare at all. They have no mid bias but focus on bass and presence. But there are mids enough.
I'd heard good things about the 4 string pro pickups, that's why I hit the BIN. Today a FrankenFiver arrived: Fender 5 in line blocked maple neck; G &L body, tone circuits and pickups; Alembic bridge and tailpiece. More parts to parse. It weighs 12.5 lbs, that maple body should burn pretty good.
Quote from: dadagoboi on September 07, 2011, 06:58:04 PMI'd heard good things about the 4 string pro pickups, that's why I hit the BIN.
..what Uwe said. The Pro pickups are WAY better.
QuoteToday a FrankenFiver arrived: Fender 5 in line blocked maple neck; G &L body, tone circuits and pickups; Alembic bridge and tailpiece. More parts to parse. It weighs 12.5 lbs, that maple body should burn pretty good.
Before you tear it down, got a pic? And please tell me you're joking about the body. One that heavy sounds suspiciously like an L5500/early L2500.
Quote from: Psycho Bass Guy on September 07, 2011, 07:50:30 PM
..what Uwe said. The Pro pickups are WAY better.
Before you tear it down, got a pic? And please tell me you're joking about the body. One that heavy sounds suspiciously like an L5500/early L2500.
I'll post a pic or 2 in other bass brands when I do the tear down. I won't be burning the body, too much toxic poly paint on it.
Quote from: dadagoboi on September 07, 2011, 02:20:03 PMHe thinks they use the same pups in both the 4 and 5 string models.
Isn't that what Gibson did with the T-Bird Studio 5 and the Bass V? Ric tried that with the 4004Cii/5 and ended up pulling the entire instrument off the market.
I'm on the fence about a 5er. I've been sort of trying to make myself want to play one again, but it just isn't feeling right. :-\ The octave pedal is getting me by for the few spots I really need it.
Quote from: gearHed289 on September 08, 2011, 09:08:03 AM
Isn't that what Gibson did with the T-Bird Studio 5 and the Bass V? Ric tried that with the 4004Cii/5 and ended up pulling the entire instrument off the market.
That's why I've been buying a bunch of stuff for research. The TBX pup compares favorably to both my Yamaha Nathan East and G&L L2500 in passive mode. It has the Tbird growl, they don't. The question is how many Fiver players want that.
Quote from: gearHed289 on September 08, 2011, 09:08:03 AM
Isn't that what Gibson did with the T-Bird Studio 5 and the Bass V? Ric tried that with the 4004Cii/5 and ended up pulling the entire instrument off the market.
I'm on the fence about a 5er. I've been sort of trying to make myself want to play one again, but it just isn't feeling right. :-\ The octave pedal is getting me by for the few spots I really need it.
The regular TB Plus pups are so oversize that they work with a five string spacing no sweat. If anything, the B strings are a bit too mighty (take no prisoners, but bludgeon everything into submission) on any TB Plus equipped Gibson bass be it V (not Flying "V"), LPB/5 Special or TB Studio. My guess is that they were designed from day one to fit both. Never forget that the first basses to feature TB Plus pups were the IV and V which came out
before the reissued TBird in 87. So, for once, Gibson did something right (and created a pup for which it is extremely hard to get a replacement pup with the same size!).
In contrast, the Ric pups made for the 4003S/5 are pitiful failures as they are both underwhelming on the B and G string so no amount of slanting the pup will help you compensate both in loudness. E, A and D are just fine though. :-\
And I still stand by my statement that in a normal rock band with normal tunings, the music will sound emptier if you play a low D on a B string as opposed to a high/regular one on the A. I've had that effect again and again. Fine if you want to get underneath the bass drum, but not if you want to merge bass drum with guitar via your own playing. Besides there are low thirds to a D in abundance on the E at the first and second fret
and which upstanding bassist would play the root where there is a third available? Root and fifth playing really is for guitarists who don't know any better. It figures that they would be the ones to refer to a chording mishap that sacrifices the differentiating third between major and minor (and thousands of years of Western music history with it) as a "power chord". :rolleyes:
TB+ pickups fit in the same cans as vintage Thunderbird pickups, IIRC Mark and Tom have both stuffed them into vintage or Lull cans. They are bigger overall because of the ABS cover. Mounting hole spacing is EXACTLY the same as vintage TBird (and all 35 series pups). They should work OK for a spring spread over the pup of no more than 2.5 inches. But there are ways to make them better.
I don't agree that a D played on a B string is of itself a bad idea. It depends on the bass, string, pickup, tone shaping, and most important, the player. It seems to me many 5 string players are obsessed with the subsonic and eq for too much fundamental.
If I knew what a 'Normal' rock band was I'm sure I'd hate it.
Name me 10 fifties, sixties or seventies rock hits which required a low B. Difficult one, huh?
Ok, second chance: Name three melodic bass solos that require a low B? Can't think of any? You are not very good ...
Ok, final chance: How many concerts have you witnessed where a member of the audience said after the gig: "Man, I really missed the low B of the bass player!"?
See what I mean? And you can't even wear them like a G string either.
Case proven, hearing adjourned ...
Quote from: uwe on September 08, 2011, 02:58:33 PM
Name me 10 fifties, sixties or seventies rock hits which required a low B. Difficult one, huh?
Ok, second chance: Name three melodic bass solos that require a low B? Can't think of any? You are not very good ...
Ok, final chance: How many concerts have you witnessed where a member of the audience said after the gig: "Man, I really missed the low B of the bass player!"?
See what I mean? And you can't even wear them like a G string either.
Case proven, hearing adjourned ...
Quite an exercise in logic. Might as well ask me to name 10 hits from the 20's,30s or 40s that required an electric bass.
Time marches on. For a young bassplayer looking to gig, having a 5 string is an advantage and a necessity for some kinds of music.
5 strings just look wrong, in a crowdy way. I like the simplicity of 4 strings. Theres always BEAD if ya wanna go lower.
Quote from: exiledarchangel on September 08, 2011, 04:26:06 PM
5 strings just look wrong, in a crowdy way. I like the simplicity of 4 strings. Theres always BEAD if ya wanna go lower.
Uwe says low B is unnecessary, period.
E and A is enough. G strings are for strippers anyway.
Quote from: uwe on September 08, 2011, 02:58:33 PM
Ok, final chance: How many concerts have you witnessed where a member of the audience said after the gig: "Man, I really missed the low B of the bass player!"?
How many concerts have you witnessed where a member of the audience doesn't realize that the bass is not just another guitar?
I couldn't care less about 5ers, but what the audience thinks shouldn't be a factor.
I could rephrase it that way and the answer would still be the same: How many concerts have you witnessed where a BASS PLAYING member of the audience said after the gig: "Man, I really missed the low B of the bass player!"?
The B string concept is inherently flawed because I have yet to encounter a B string whose harmonics don't go ape when you play it in the upper register. A 5 string bass is to a 4 string bass not what the low E of a four string bass would be to a short scale bass lacking the E string. And 34" is not the right scale for B either, but any larger scale sacrifices D string flexibility which is already at a tension peak with a reg long scale and sounds better in lower scales. You can't really hear the note that is deeper than a low D either, especially non-musicians can't. And when it comes to focus of sound any cheap synth can cream you into the ground, how depressing.
But for the record: Everyone may own and play as many fivers as they want (unelegant as they are and who heard of stringed instruments with an uneven number of strings!). Just don't tell me that it is mandatory in more than 10% of the parts of - at best 1% - of todays popular music.
I just don't see what there is to get excited about five halfnotes more, three of which are barely audible in the grand scheme of things and the ability to play vertically rather than horizontally, IIRC the Fender V failed with that "groundbreaking concept" royally. So what you are left with is a hugely invasive step (all 5ers sound more sluggish than their counterpart 4s for the additional wood mass unless the 4 stringer has a too skimpy neck in which case the 5er version lends it some welcome mass) for two audible halfnotes more. No, I don't see that in the same league of change and musical development as the electric bass was to the double bass in popular music, not by an XXL scale stretch. Listen to a Glenn Miller tune with a double bass and an electric bass and you'll know what I mean.
I have about a dozen fivers, some of them are even excellent basses (like the Status V Stealth II whose sustain just doesn't stop, yet is utterly snappy due to the one piece graphite body and neck) and playing them once in a while is a guilty pleasure because drummers (you know how they don't really listen to tonal notes ... :mrgreen: ) and similar life forms like them, but mandatory? Naw ...
You don't like most modern metal either, and a low B (or lower) is a requirement for 95% of that.
Must I really accept that as a card-carrying Judas Priest and Black Sabbath fan with Mastodon, Metallica, Dir en Grey, Rammstein, SoaD, Bullet for my Valentine and Slipknot in his collection?!!! :mrgreen:
I was listening to heavy metal when most of these kids weren't even conceived and I still am listening to it and probably still will when they have already long moved on to the next fashion. This is one of my favorite heavy metal tunes and although it is from as early as 1983, it is a milestone in style elements used by grunge and nu metal almost 10 years later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Nfj8wk-0Y
My main gigging bass is now a sixer...
comes in handy for eighties rock...think Bon Jovi...We play "It's my Life" in "C"...doesn't sound right without a low "C".
Comes in handy for changing keys to where we can still sing the song...we do "Chain of Fools" in Am, for instance...a low "B" allows me to keep the original architecture of the signature lick, whereas if I play it on a four banger, I need to push the low "D" up to an upper octave...just doesn't sound right...we do "Hot Stuff" in "F"...would not sound right on a four banger, because you need a low Eb. I could go on and on.
I resisted the multi string thing for 20 years or more...and a sixer is a wicked workout on your hands, but as a tool in a band setting, a low "B" is wonderful. You don't have to worry so much about a key change putting a song into an area of the bass that sounds like shit.
That being said, when I strap on my Precision or Longhorn, it's like driving a sports car compared to driving an 18 wheeler(the sixer).
Ok, the different keys thing is a point though a hipshot D tuner would help you too I guess. So for a covers band with key variety (and not five basses on stage tuned to the necessity of the individual songs), a 5er or 6er is a practical thing.
Quote from: uwe on September 09, 2011, 04:36:14 AMMust I really accept that as a card-carrying Judas Priest and Black Sabbath fan with Mastodon, Metallica, Dir en Grey, Rammstein, SoaD, Bullet for my Valentine and Slipknot in his collection?!!!
Yes.
Quote from: uwe on September 09, 2011, 05:50:55 AM
Ok, the different keys thing is a point though a hipshot D tuner would help you too I guess. So for a covers band with key variety (and not five basses on stage tuned to the necessity of the individual songs), a 5er or 6er is a practical thing.
The guys I'm building 5ers for are recording and playing original music, some of which is on the radio or whatever the current means of transmission...and it isn't metal. A copy band bassist of the future will need a 5er if he wants to play the music of his youth. A Dtuner will only get you so far.
The reality of music in Cincinnati Ohio, is that if I want to play 50-70 dates a year (and want to get paid a decent amount of money), I have to play covers.
Covers are good. They get me out of the house. Things at home right now are such that life without a band would be grim.
i still prefer a 4 string. i've only played one song that was in drop D tuning ever, i've never needed one. though i've always wanted to set up a 4 banger to be B-E-A-D just to try it. i don't see my self ever wanting or needing a 5 or 6 string.
"A copy band bassist of the future will need a 5er if he wants to play the music of his youth."
We'll see. The victory of the five string has been proclaimed often enough and has yet to take place. If anything I have noticed a resurgence of the four string once people noticed that you need not compete with a Yamaha DX7 keyboard for the lows anymore. Is the sales ratio 4 to 5 string still 9 to 1? I can think of very few bass guitar heroes that absolutely must have a five or more string bass for their style - Anthony Jackson comes to mind and a few others -, but for everyone of them there is a JAE, Jack Bruce, Stanley Clarke, Marcus Miller, Victor Wooten, Glenn Hughes, Colin Hodkinson, Jeff Berlin, Chris Squire, Geddy Lee, Paul McCartney, Sting, Les Claypool, Flea, Bootsy, Lee Sklar, Billy Sheehan, Steve Harris, Geezer Butler, the list goes on.
But, hey, I like minorities!
And I did not intend to insinuate anything negative about playing covers, Patman!!! I have done so myself and continue to do in my law firm band-side project (Bud Jet & The Forecasts).
I tried BEAD, and did not care for it (not enough high notes)...I have a just reputation for being pretty tight with spending money on basses, and only bought the sixer when my son needed the dollars and was going to craigslist it for next to nothing (it's an Alvarez). I gave him full retail for it..."Thanks Dad".
So I was sort of dragged into this multi string thing kicking and screaming...
That being said, once you get used to it, it's a wonderful tool...I would never go back.
Change is good (many times). You just have to make the leap.
"not enough high notes"
Now that I understand!!! I have absolutely nothing against basses strung E to C. :mrgreen:
Quote from: uwe on September 09, 2011, 06:48:26 AM
...JAE, Jack Bruce, Stanley Clarke, Marcus Miller, Victor Wooten, Glenn Hughes, Colin Hodkinson, Jeff Berlin, Chris Squire, Geddy Lee, Paul McCartney, Sting, Les Claypool, Flea, Bootsy, Lee Sklar, Billy Sheehan, Steve Harris, Geezer Butler...
Codgers
when 5 string basses were first introduced, I remember thinking why would anybody need a string higher than the G? ??? then I found out they were low Bs :P and thought that made a little more sense but still somewhat unnecessary. at least for me. I've tried fiddling with 5s at stores but always end up confused as to what string I'm on. 4s work just fine for me!
Quote from: ramone57 on September 09, 2011, 08:09:35 AM
when 5 string basses were first introduced, I remember thinking why would anybody need a string higher than the G? ??? then I found out they were low Bs :P and thought that made a little more sense but still somewhat unnecessary. at least for me. I've tried fiddling with 5s at stores but always end up confused as to what string I'm on. 4s work just fine for me!
I hadn't played any of mine in a while and and it confused me when I picked it up again. But after a while I forgot it was a Fiver and it started making some sense. Probably a lot more than an 8 or 12 string from a strictly traditional bass player angle.
Quote from: dadagoboi on September 09, 2011, 07:54:17 AM
Codgers
I had hoped that with the strategic inclusion of Flea I might escape that remark. And Cliff Burton at least died long before codger status. Les Claypool would at least dispute being an old codger, even though he is eccentric enough.
I tried hard to think of some under thirty bass stars in popular rock bands, but couldn't think of any. :-[ Which is perhaps not such a great surprise considering that after a period of almost limitless freedom in bass playing between 1968 and 1976, the inevitable "stick to the root and do what the bass drum does!" crackdown came with the advent of disco and punk and bass playing on commercial records really hasn't made a recovery since then. How long would Chris Squire's or Jack Bruce's style last in a recording studio today?
So who are the young guns bass players out there (with 5ers) that I haven't heard of? I'm interested.
Quote from: uwe on September 09, 2011, 03:10:32 AM
You can't really hear the note that is deeper than a low D either, especially non-musicians can't. And when it comes to focus of sound any cheap synth can cream you into the ground, how depressing.
I agree. Much of today's live music includes low end that's nothing more distinct than "boom, boom" turning the inside of the performing space into a toneless boom box. The sound guys go for impact with no musical definition at all.
I saw Robert Randolph and the Family Band this summer, and their bass player was fantastic - but I couldn't discern any notes that he played on the low end of his instrument. The sound guys had that frequency range boosted so loud that it was mush. Great if all you wanted was impact - which I did not.
Quote from: uwe on September 09, 2011, 06:48:26 AMI can think of very few bass guitar heroes that absolutely must have a five or more string bass for their style - Anthony Jackson comes to mind and a few others -, but for everyone of them there is a JAE, Jack Bruce, Stanley Clarke, Marcus Miller, Victor Wooten, Glenn Hughes, Colin Hodkinson, Jeff Berlin, Chris Squire, Geddy Lee, Paul McCartney, Sting, Les Claypool, Flea, Bootsy, Lee Sklar, Billy Sheehan, Steve Harris, Geezer Butler, the list goes on.
Les attained his greatest fame with his fretless Carl Thompson 6 string.
Quote from: uwe on September 09, 2011, 06:31:23 AM
You young people are harsh! :-\
That's metal. If you can't deal with it, then you've made my point for me. :mrgreen: ;)
Tommy Gobina in Gogol Bordello plays a 5 string jazz bass and uses the low B quite a bit and it sounds great; like, all the time.
We have about 70 songs on our list right now, mostly '80s with very little '70s`or post '80s - I don't need a bass with a B string at all, but that hasn't kept me from trying. I recently had the use of a Studio 5er 'Bird for a couple weeks, very nice tone but honestly the B string was just in my way, and not of much use as an instrument for my band's setlist.
I have also done the BEAD thing with my Fenderbird, it sounds fine this way - problem is the same tho, I don't need the low notes. So I'd concur with Uwe's remarks - in my band's setting it's not needed at all.
I'd still like to have one someday tho :)
Quote from: Psycho Bass Guy on September 09, 2011, 09:04:58 AM
Les attained his greatest fame with his fretless Carl Thompson 6 string.
That's metal. If you can't deal with it, then you've made my point for me. :mrgreen: ;)
Psycho babe, you hurt me when you say something like that, I need quick relief ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uie63E4gqno
Consumers' Notice: This song was entirely recorded without the help of artificial B strings! :-*
This is the neck pup in my '08 Studio 5'er compared to my '07 TB+ IV pup
(http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj401/stiles72/thunderbird/5erPup.jpg)
(http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj401/stiles72/thunderbird/thunderbirdpickups006.jpg)
So the 5er entrails are different, it's just the housing that is identical. Danke!
I recently experimented with BEAD on my headless... as I said, experimented... pass, imho...
Town Mouse and Country Mouse... each to their own...
In a pathetic, grovelling effort
(http://www.politik.ch/fs/fotos/stills/kotau.jpg)
to redeem myself with the miffed 5er community here, I have now bidded on the subject item which initiated this thread ... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I always wanted to have one of those for their sheer unlikelihood. The SG shape is already not a great shape for a short scale bass and it is plain bad for a long scale one but it took the good people of Epi to take madness further - very German - and use it for a 5 stringer mammoth neck.
Ze absence of neck heaviness is overrrated my dearrrr friendzzz! Heaffiness ist häbbiness, jawohl.
(http://www.areamilitar.net/DIRECTORIO/IM_ter/ferdinand_001.jpg)
Und ein tiefes D ist sehr gut. D wie Deutsch! :vader: :vader: :vader: :vader: :vader: :vader: :vader: :vader: :vader:
(http://www.shiatsudo.co.uk/images/five-elements.gif)
All very karmic if imo... :P
Quote from: uwe on September 09, 2011, 12:48:12 PM
...I have now bidded on the subject item which initiated this thread ..
(http://www.areamilitar.net/DIRECTORIO/IM_ter/ferdinand_001.jpg)
It gives me a perverse sense of satisfaction to post something other people end up bidding on! ;D
Nice Elefant, by the way!
In the US, we have one of the two surviving Elefants!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Elefant_USAOM-01.jpg
Grats Uwe, as for the uberneckdiving, fear not, check those ideas:
http://bassoutpost.com/index.php?topic=6033.0
So Uwe, if you are victorious in the auction, will you refer to this SG as your "Panzer" bass, or your "Tiger" bass?
Quote from: Denis on September 09, 2011, 01:58:11 PMNice Elefant, by the way!
In the US, we have one of the two surviving Elefants!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Elefant_USAOM-01.jpg
There's an episode of "Tank Overhaul" that documents the US Army military history museum's restoration of one, even down to identifying what kind of round took it out.
Compared to the Elefant/Ferdinand, even that 5 string SG Epi is a sensible design. That behemoth tank represented exactly the delusions of grandeur and longevity the Third Reich had. Like it, it probably ran out of gas first before it got that coup de grace hit.
Quote from: uwe on September 09, 2011, 04:41:28 PM
Compared to the Elefant/Ferdinand, even that 5 string SG Epi is a sensible design. That behemoth tank represented exactly the delusions of grandeur and longevity the Third Reich had. Like it, it probably ran out of gas first before it got that coup de grace hit.
That German tanks used gasoline engines was a surprise I only discovered a few years ago. I had always thought they were diesel until I read that most diesel fuel was reserved for the U-boats. Even with diesel, a Tiger would get the crappiest fuel consumption, but with gasoline, I shudder...
Quote from: Pilgrim on September 09, 2011, 04:28:40 PM
... will you refer to this SG as your "Panzer" bass, or your "Tiger" bass?
Being so shiny and black...
Ze SSG... "Shiny, shiny (Jack) boots made of leather..." :vader:
Ken!!! LOL
Ich habe meinen momente... ;)
Quote from: BUFF on September 10, 2011, 02:22:32 AM
Being so shiny and black... Ze SSG... "Shiny, shiny (Jack) boots made of leather..." :vader:
But....but....that would make it a "Jack" bass, and that name is taken....
Uwe, out of all of those basses, are any of them sixers?
A sixer opens up a lot of possibilities with chords, harmonics, counter melodies w/ pedal bass tones...it's worth the effort.
Uwe Berlin...?
Now Jeff Berlin does most (all?) of his work on standard instruments
There are some multitonalqualityplayers out there...
(http://www.jeanbaudin.com/images/hclaw1.jpg)
... but in this example is he, Jean Baudin, playing a bass...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETbDIngnOeU
Undoubtedly, this is the work of a virtuoso; a work I truly believe to be an outstanding piece of art, but to me, it is more akin to a keyed instrument, in its percussive fashion... If you watch him playing he is still centred, bassically, and soloing on the upper register, in a classical fashion; on occasion the lower, register is plumbed, but not that often, and not that noticeably... it is an "ensemble" piece played in a "one-man-band" fashion...
I'll ask again... is he playing a bass...?
Visuals of the style... live playing here of Transcend on this at 9:13 but also examples of his style from start, 6:04, 7:38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxMgZLnUqA4
Forgot to add... he also gives online lessons... one-two-one...
QuoteUndoubtedly, this is the work of a virtuoso; a work I truly believe to be an outstanding piece of art, but to me, it is more akin to a keyed instrument, in its percussive fashion... If you watch him playing he is still centered, basically, and soloing on the upper register, in a classical fashion; on occasion the lower, register is plumbed, but not that often, and not that noticeably... it is an "ensemble" piece played in a "one-man-band" fashion...
He is transcending bass playing & just playing music using a hybrid instrument. It's no longer bass playing .
No denying the talent there, it's a nice piece.
It's not bass playing as I would define it - or as I do it. :)
If it's got more than 4 strings, it starts to look like a harp! :P
Quote from: exiledarchangel on September 11, 2011, 05:07:04 PM
If it's got more than 4 strings, it starts to look like a harp! :P
<Harpo mode> Honk! Honk!
</Harpo mode>
Philistine... :P
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-agJTqhC1QG0/TaST0R5aVLI/AAAAAAAAAEM/Y5-HYGJomGk/s1600/harpo+marx.jpg)
Let's see him bust out some AC/DC on that thing ;)
Quote from: TBird1958 on September 12, 2011, 05:44:42 PM
Let's see him bust out some AC/DC on that thing ;)
How 'bout some Wreckmaninoff? This is pretty much AC/DC for the 1930's.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoTyDD0C93U
Or maybe this was AC/DC for the 30's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6V-l_WJb3s&feature=related
Quote from: BUFF on September 11, 2011, 03:20:00 AM
Uwe Berlin...?
Now Jeff Berlin does most (all?) of his work on standard instruments
There are some multitonalqualityplayers out there...
(http://www.jeanbaudin.com/images/hclaw1.jpg)
... but in this example is he, Jean Baudin, playing a bass...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETbDIngnOeU
Undoubtedly, this is the work of a virtuoso; a work I truly believe to be an outstanding piece of art, but to me, it is more akin to a keyed instrument, in its percussive fashion... If you watch him playing he is still centred, bassically, and soloing on the upper register, in a classical fashion; on occasion the lower, register is plumbed, but not that often, and not that noticeably... it is an "ensemble" piece played in a "one-man-band" fashion...
I'll ask again... is he playing a bass...?
Visuals of the style... live playing here of Transcend on this at 9:13 but also examples of his style from start, 6:04, 7:38
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxMgZLnUqA4
Amazing talent, but for me, I can only listen to one piece like this before I get bored. Gimme Dr. Feelgood anytime!!! :)
He also plays in some really odd band called Nuclear Rabbit...
I druther listen to the Duck and Steve Cropper.
Mine, mine, mine! For 215 bucks. Denis, where are you when work needs to get done?!!!
Quote from: uwe on September 14, 2011, 10:41:07 AM
Mine, mine, mine! For 215 bucks. Denis, where are you when work needs to get done?!!!
Hahaha, what do you need?
Quote from: uwe on September 14, 2011, 10:41:07 AM
Mine, mine, mine! For 215 bucks. Denis, where are you when work needs to get done?!!!
Congrats, Uwe. I go to the post office to ship a bass around once a week, I'd be happy to help out.
Thanks, but the North Carolinian is first because he started the thread! Denis, I need your address. You said you were curious about that bass, so now you can quench your curiosity.
We'll tell people that Uwe is starting an agricultural branch, as he now has a bass that will serve as an excellent plow due to neck dive. :-*
Quote from: uwe on September 14, 2011, 11:13:10 AM
Thanks, but the North Carolinian is first because he started the thread! Denis, I need your address. You said you were curious about that bass, so now you can quench your curiosity.
Any time. Enjoy Denis!
Quote from: Pilgrim on September 14, 2011, 11:21:14 AM
We'll tell people that Uwe is starting an agricultural branch, as he now has a bass that will serve as an excellent plow due to neck dive. :-*
:mrgreen:
It will be Denis' first 5er he says. Could we have a picked a better model to cure him from the multi-string disease once and for all? 8)
Quote from: uwe on September 14, 2011, 11:49:04 AM
:mrgreen:
It will be Denis' first 5er he says. Could we have a picked a better model to cure him from the multi-string disease once and for all? 8)
No doubt!
[thinks] Hmm... supose that sets Denis off on the slippery slope to sub-bass... How could Uwe live with himself...? [/thinks] :vader: :toast:
Quote from: uwe on September 14, 2011, 10:41:07 AM
Mine, mine, mine! For 215 bucks. Denis, where are you when work needs to get done?!!!
That seems incredibly cheap, worth more on curiosity value alone.
And if NATO's ever short of an aircraft carrier ...
:mrgreen:
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I paid the seller and he's now sending it to you, Denis!
Where are the Epi Pro T-birds made???
(http://rlv.zcache.com/chinese_propaganda_artwork_mousepad-p144719744295407362trak_400.jpg)
But if you don't start repaying your government bonds to them they might stop making them!!!
The Epi arrived on the 20th, safe and sound. Haven't done more than tune it up and try it out for about 5 minutes, but damn, that sucker head dives like crazy!
When I get more time in the next couple of days I'll give a better review.
A bass that separates the men from the boys!