http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/sns-rt-health-us-cancer-altre73707y-20110408,0,2177571.story
All this time I was under the impression that moderate drinking might actually be good for your health, especially your heart. But with this new info, I hardly know what to think anymore. I already don't drink much anyway, but now I'm wondering if even drinking at all is a good idea.
They also used to think smoking was healthy. Pay attention to your body. It will tell you what to do.
Everything that is good can be bad. Moderation in all things. There was an article I read today that human DNA is littered with prehistoric virus fragments, and now there is suspicion that all sorts of cancers and mystery illnesses like Epstein Barr and Sarcoid could be just re-activated ancient stuff that hitched a ride on some ancestor's sperm. So, enjoy your moderate intake of moderate alcohol % beverages on a less than regular basis, and take what we get. Every day is a gift.
+1 EB2
Quote from: kungfusheriff on April 12, 2011, 01:58:51 PM
Pay attention to your body. It will tell you what to do.
My body tells me to have another drink :rolleyes: ;D Nah, seriously moderation is the aim.
2 per day......Is that before lunch?!
Dosis sola facit fenenum (The dose alone makes the poison) -- attributed to Paracelsus
It's true.
Drinking and health, you really can't have one without the other!
Nations with a healthy red wine intake like france and Italy have less cardiac diseases, true, but they exchange it for forms of throat cancer unknown in other countries.
Since we all will die one way or another, we should make sure we live pleasantly.
Single Malt Scotch and I get along nicely.......... ;)
And I'm reminded of this quote from Cliff Claven of "Cheers"
Cliff's Buffalo Theory
"Well, you see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it's the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.
In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.
And that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers."
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http://fyiliving.com/health-news/applebees-alcohol-mix-up-oops-your-toddler-is-drunk/
Applebee's seems to be having a problem with alcohol.
There is no drug more widely and excessively abused than alcohol. What the study in the first post doesn't say is how much was consumed, just "more than two". I'm betting it's often a LOT more than two.
http://topnews.us/content/238434-even-moderate-alcohol-consumption-can-increase-risk-cancer
What I gather from this is that some people can get cancer even from just moderate drinking. Most won't, but some will.
My namesake, great uncle Richard was either 107 or 109 when he died. On his 100th birthday the news interviewed him while he was out golfing and asked him the secret of his longevity and good health. He showed them his pint of Irish whiskey and a pack of cigars ,"one of these"he said pointing to the pint bottle "and a couple of these each day" he said as he pointed to the cigars. I'm following his plan ;D.
Rick
Quote from: rahock on April 13, 2011, 05:49:45 AM
My namesake, great uncle Richard was either 107 or 109 when he died. On his 100th birthday the news interviewed him while he was out golfing and asked him the secret of his longevity and good health. He showed them his pint of Irish whiskey and a pack of cigars ,"one of these"he said pointing to the pint bottle "and a couple of these each day" he said as he pointed to the cigars. I'm following his plan ;D.
Rick
George Burns had a similar reply when an interviewer asked what his doctor had to say about his cigar smoking. Burns replied "He's dead!"
They do that all the time with different stuff - "It's bad for you... it's GOOD for you.... now it's bad again.... wait, a little bit is GOOD...." Whatever. I agree with Kung Fu.
daily red wine and a glass(es) of bourbon 1 or 2 times a week...works well for me...
This is not to sound callous to people to whom alcohol poses a threat. Everyone has his own poison. If you have issues with it stay away.
Me, I drink wine mostly. To food. When there's no food with it, I curiously prefer a coke. If I'm eating several courses on a night out, I can have 3-5 glasses and still not be drunk or chatty. Nor do I have a craving for another glass. And after, say, two days of having had more than a glass of wine to a home dinner, I don't feel like having wine on a third night and resort to coke or still water again.
I don't enjoy being drunk at all (not because of loss of control or any such thing, I just don't feel happier or better drunk) and I detest hangovers or throwing up (hasn't happened to me in decades).
I think drinking must have a tendency to make me drowsy more than it does with most other people. For that reason, I tend to avoid it most of the time. However, in the Netherlands, I found a drink called Beerenburger which hardly made me drowsy. If I had access to something like that in the U.S., I might drink more.
Quote from: uwe on April 13, 2011, 02:26:55 PM
I don't enjoy being drunk at all (not because of loss pf control or any such thing, I just don't feel happier or better drunk) and I detest hangovers or throwing up (hasn't happened to me in decades).
I totally agree with the above, but I love bourbon whiskey, and as they say "too much whiskey is just enough".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqk3osxS4wQ
Wine. Hard to think about it in a bad way when nearly every facet of it has been arround almost my entire life.
I hardly ever drink any alcohol when I'm at home. Floor doesn't drink at all and I don't see the fun in drinking alone.
But when I'm with company who likes a beer or a glass of wine, I really enjoy a few drinks.
I do like to get a little drunk / a bit tipsy now and then.
When I was in my twenties I really drank a lot. Everybody seemed to drink an awful lot back then. That's what students do I guess.
We used to have parties until six in the morning. Then go downtown to the first pub opening, for a cup of coffee (not that it helped any). And then straight to the Arts Academy to present/discuss our work... totally pissed of course! :mrgreen:
Same with me. I'll have a couple of beers or occasionally wine when I'm out with friends. At home, almost never.
Mankind was built on alcohol.
I saw an interesting show on the food network about beer. The show was about how almost everything in mankind (except religion) was done so because of, or with beer. Early man discovered making beer from grain, so they needed to have farms, thus created agriculture (no longer nomadic hunter gatherers). Because they had to stay put, so they created towns & cities. They then needed a way to keep track of it, so the math was created. Beer was not so much an alcoholic pastime but more as a nutritional supplement (low alcohol, high nutrition) that sustained families. Ancient Egyptian workers were paid in beer. Later currency was created to buy & sell beer rather than barter.
And somehow there was beer in almost every civilization long before travel and ability to share such information was available.
Rick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjzPHq66OZI
It's a hypothesis, nothing more. And it's not widely accepted. It's just one study from a Canadian anthropologist that was published last year.
Anyway, time for some Tom T. Hall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i5k4I1AOEI
Quote from: Dave W on April 14, 2011, 11:08:56 PM
It's a hypothesis, nothing more. And it's not widely accepted. It's just one study from a Canadian anthropologist that was published last year.
Anyway, time for some Tom T. Hall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i5k4I1AOEI
Like evolution?
Quote from: Barklessdog on April 15, 2011, 06:44:08 AM
Like evolution?
No, not even remotely like evolution, which is widely accepted by the scientific community and is a theory based on certain evidence, not a hypothesis.
This is one study from one anthropologist in one journal. Because the story got picked up by the news media, somehow people think it's fact.
There is plenty of evidence that agriculture the basic technology of planting food) is the basis of humans exiting the hunter-gatherer stage and establishing the beginning of civilization. Beer is one of those things that takes time to make, so I'd opine from my studies that it followed the establishment of agriculture, not the other way around.
Beer is certainly a constant across civilizations, but I don't buy it as the establishing factor.
I would rather have one or two dark beers once in a while, rather than a whole case of light beer. I found this "Black Ale" last year and am in the process of finding a case locally.
http://www.pointbeer.com/2012-black-ale
It's the beer for the "End of the world, or a New beginning"!
In the middle ages (until deep into the 19th century) they drank beer mainly because it was too dangerous to drink water. Water was often polluted.
The beer they drank didn't have much alcohol in it (light beer avant la lettre). Even kids drank beer!
Quote from: Grog on April 16, 2011, 07:19:55 AM
I would rather have one or two dark beers once in a while, rather than a whole case of light beer.
That sums up my attitude to beer very accurately.
We have had family issues with drugs and alcohol, including deaths...
Personally speaking, the bottle of Macallans I treated us to at Christmas lasted until March. Weekends is a couple of beers on a Saturday night and a bottle of wine on Friday and Sunday evening between us; Roshina is 17 and can't stand the taste of any alcohol (obviously hasn't inherited my teenage genes...)
Late to the party... but the plant cultivated in more places on earth is the grape. And I don't think you make beer from it. I also do not think beer is mentioned in the bible, though wine certainly is.
Yeah, northern Europeans drank beer as food and because the water in their "cities" was unfit to drink. But that wasn't the case in southern Europe. Truth be told, northern Europe became civilized only after their marauding hordes destroyed what was left of the Roman empire and absorbed some of the culture. In Vino Veritas, beer not so much.
Not gonna lie or sugar coat it.
I like to drink. Single Malt Scotch, neat with soda back is a fave, something like this......
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/veronicasteed/1302973761.jpg)
A fifth will last me about 6 days, sometimes less.
I love a good beer too, however it is very hard on my girlish figure, so in moderation.
It's commonly accepted that one mark of an alcoholic is consuming more than 14 drinks per week, less for women.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-high-functioning-alcoholic/200904/social-drinkers-problem-drinkers-and-high-functioning-alc
I can't understand why people drink "lite" beer at all, unless it's just because they want to drink all day without getting destroyed. i'd rather have a couple of real beers, then drink water or soda. The one and only thing I can say in favor of lite beer is that it's a tad better than no beer at all.
Quote from: Pilgrim on April 16, 2011, 12:17:55 PM
I can't understand why people drink "lite" beer at all, unless it's just because they want to drink all day without getting destroyed. i'd rather have a couple of real beers, then drink water or soda. The one and only think I can say in favor of lite beer is that it's a tad better than no beer at all.
'Light' beer has about 20% less alcohol than regular beers on average. Miller Lite is a fermented rice drink. It's a total "Let's make a crappy product and advertise the hell out of it. The rubes will buy it and love it because they have no idea what real beer tastes like."
Sort of like Starbucks and coffee.
Michelob Ultra has got to be the worst light beer I've ever tasted....................... Someone must like it........... :toast:
14 drinks of what? Does two beers a day every day already make you an alcoholic? I drink less (like maybe ten glasses of red wine a week?) and thinking about it, a liter of beer a day probably does qualify you as a steady drinker if not a raging alcoholic.
One thing I've noticed with people with an alcohol problem is that they don't get tipsy gradually, but go from two glasses of wine and still perfectly sober to "uncontrolled/wasted by the third glass". It's like flicking a switch sober/drunk with no middle ground.
Google '14 drinks a week'. One drink = one 12-oz bottle of beer (4.5 percent alcohol), one 5-oz glass of wine (12.9 percent alcohol) or 1.5 oz of 80-proof distilled spirits. Over 14 a week qualifies as heavy drinking.
i will not let google tell me me how to drink. damn you al gore and your interweb. ;D
Quote from: dadagoboi on April 16, 2011, 03:26:00 PM
Google '14 drinks a week'. One drink = one 12-oz bottle of beer (4.5 percent alcohol), one 5-oz glass of wine (12.9 percent alcohol) or 1.5 oz of 80-proof distilled spirits. Over 14 a week qualifies as heavy drinking.
I agree. The amount of booze some people consume surprises me. When a guy picks up a six-pack on the way home and kills it that night, he has a real problem.
Every male in my father's family was an alchoholic - including his father and four brothers. Some were able to overcome it, some kept it in check and some not.
My father quit drinking about 15 years ago - cold turkey - he would have been about 75 at the time. He drank most all of his adult life and he drank heavy. He was what I call a high functioning alcoholic in that he only drank after he was off of work - which made nights and weekends hell on us. Nobody had a perfect childhood - mine included. I think that growing up dealing with all of the horrid BS that goes with an angry alcoholic as a parent has a lot to do with how I perceive alcohol. I drank very hard as a teenager and by the time I was in my mid twenties I harldy drank at all. I do have an occasional beer or drink with dinner or friends but if booze went away tomorrow I wouldn't miss it and could survive without problems. A heavy month for me would be 14 drinks - I doubt that I've had 14 drinks this year.
Quote from: nofi on April 16, 2011, 05:14:47 PM
i will not let google tell me me how to drink. damn you al gore and your interweb. ;D
;D ;D ;D That damn interweb.
Rick