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Gear Discussion Forums => Gibson Basses => Topic started by: Droombolus on December 08, 2010, 07:21:20 AM
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Been following this baby (http://cgi.ebay.com/Epiphone-Elitist-EB-3-Cherry-Made-in-Japan-326686401_W0QQitemZ280559886974QQcategoryZ4713QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BUA%252BP%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BIIUM%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D140482027301%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5504783655335921899) for some time. Did ask the guys at Ishibashi if this really is an Elitist, because I can't see the Elitist logo on the back of the headstock and it doesn't say Elitist on the TRC. They were kinda puzzled themselves and promised to get back to me.
Did mention this on the dutch basgitaar forum. Rob Basvarken reacted saying that, as far as he understood the complex Orville > Orville by Gibson > Epiphone history, all MIJ Epi's are considered Elitists. That really tickles my curiosity bone so can anyone here please shine a light on this subject ? Cheers !
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That's not what I said. Not all MIJ Epiphones are automatically Elitists!
All I said is that the Fuji Gen Gakki produced Orville, Orville by Gibson and Elitist and they're all basicly the same quality
(as well as Greco and Burny from the same factory)
As far as I can see that Epi you found on Ishibashi is an Elitist.
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Hey Droom, if you're looking for an Elitist, there's a guy here in Italy selling one for less. Same as the one from Ishi. I can help you if you want, i know him from another forum.
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If it's officially an Elitist, then it has US-made pickups. I don't know about the pickups in the non-Elitist versions.
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That's not what I said.
Sorry Rob, I misunderstood ..... :-[
Hey Droom, if you're looking for an Elitist, there's a guy here in Italy selling one for less. Same as the one from Ishi. I can help you if you want, i know him from another forum.
I'm only interested in buying if the Italian guy's got a real Elitist for sale ( so one that's got the Elitist logo on the back of the headstock etc ). If so, yes please !
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I just checked, it's an Elite. Should be the run made before the 2002, i think. If your still interested i'll tell him to send me some pics.
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Yup I'm interested !
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Epi Japan made some limited editions a while ago. This is one of those models, and they are usually know as YEC series (Yamano Epiphone Custom). And they are distinguishable by the open book headstock.
One of those series were even nitro lacquer finishes and were obiviously called YEC Lacquer series.
Pickups on those are by Gotoh.
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Pickups on those are by Gotoh.
Thanks Daniel ! So I have to look for an Elitist to get US PUPs. Tried out a Gotoh Sidewinder on my Rivoli and I wasn't impressed ....... :sad:
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Epi Japan made some limited editions a while ago. This is one of those models, and they are usually know as YEC series (Yamano Epiphone Custom). And they are distinguishable by the open book headstock.
One of those series were even nitro lacquer finishes and were obiviously called YEC Lacquer series.
Pickups on those are by Gotoh.
I have an Elitist from when they were still being made. It looks like this one, but has the Epi rounded headstock. Good bass, bit like a seventies Gibson EB-3 in sound and feel.
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Thanks to Jesper Iome this baby is going to arrive at my end sometime in the upcoming weeks ......... ;D
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1392/epi6.jpg)
(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/764/epi7.jpg)
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8492/epi8.jpg)
Cheers Jesper .. :toast: Man, I love this forum ! 8)
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Congrats Martin!
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Cheers to you mate, i'm glad i could help. Let us know how the baby play's
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What a sweet bass! :thumbsup:
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very nice.
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Sound report herewith requested otherwise forum ban threatens.
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Sound report herewith requested otherwise forum ban threatens.
I suspect the only correct answer would be "Jawohl, mein Fuhrer!"
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Wizz ze Umlaut please. F
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Sound report herewith requested otherwise forum ban threatens.
Is that what you call a command performance in zee Heimat ? ;D
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Ich hab' keine keyboard umlaut......
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Ich hab' keine keyboard umlaut......
yës yöü dö. ;D
(search for windows alt key codes)
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Yöu cän üse thë quötätiön märk äs än ümlaut :mrgreen:
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JÄH!
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:thumbsup: Received a mail from Marco ( the seller ) she's been despatched from Italy last friday. 8)
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WooHoo!
I live vicariously once again!
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From Italy you say? Then it can't be longer than another year or so. There are more important things to attend to, capisce?
(http://image.dealoz.com/image/us/961/2535961.jpg)
To be fair, Italian postinas rate high in customer satisfaction.
(http://www.adolfo.trinca.name/public/postina.jpg)
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To be fair, Italian postinas rate high in customer satisfaction.
(http://www.adolfo.trinca.name/public/postina.jpg)
I knew there had to be a reason you guys were allies for a while. ;)
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I knew there had to be a reason you guys were allies for a while. ;)
Do the women surrender as easily as the men?
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She's not anywhere near hairy enough to be Italian ;)
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Do the women surrender as easily as the men?
Push the button (http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot) :mrgreen:
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Do the women surrender as easily as the men?
That would make her French, yes?
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She's not anywhere near hairy enough to be Italian ;)
She can't be Italian: she's blonde.
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You gotta spend some time in the north...
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You gotta spend some time in the north...
But you have to go down south to find out if she's a real blonde.
:rimshot:
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Hey Hey Hey lads, someone could get offended here... ;D
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But you have to go down south to find out if she's a real blonde.
:rimshot:
Dave even went to diving school.
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Dave even went to diving school.
No, I already knew how to search for shady thicket.
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I still think you overdid things with that Agent Orange application on that one girl.
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Not I. Hunting is not as much fun if the thicket is defoliated.
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Hold on a cotton pickin' minute - NO POLITICS...! ;)
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I wonder if her carpet matches her drapes. ;D
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I've seen places that didn't have ANY carpet! ;)
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I've seen places that didn't have ANY carpet! ;)
= Good! ;)
Help me convince my GF too!
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I've seen places that didn't have ANY carpet! ;)
That gives a new meaning to the term "hardwood"!
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If you're hungry enough you feed off the rug.
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If you're hungry enough you feed off the rug.
I always found that a nice landing strip inspired a much more regular desire for flight on my part. YMMV of course...
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Meanwhile, while you dirty ol' men were amusing yourselves with shady wordplay, the Epi has arrived at my end .......... :thumbsup: Within a week from Italy to Holland........... that's fast enough in my book ;D
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Not that saying your've got an Eb3 in your end isn't shady wordplay....i thought only Mark where open to that kind of games....
How is it? (i meen the bass)
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« Last Edit: December 24, 2010, 02:13:53 AM by uwe »
Hey, I didn't get to see what you said! Not fair... :mrgreen:
And while we're discussing various trimmings I'd love to hear a full report on the new piece.
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No censorship, George, just bad spelling. I had to change "of" into "off".
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Ah, I was hoping you'd left a caustic yet witty comment and then changed your mind.
;D
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All of these double entendres remind me of the Colonel Angus skit from SNL (with Christopher Walken).
Look for it on hulu. I tried to post a link but it doesn't show as a link, only a blank screen.
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How is it? (i meen the bass)
Well Jesper my basses are female ;D and she's doing fine so far. Truss rod and bridge did need a little adjusting after I'd fitted her with round wounds. She sounds very much OK on the Orange Crush here at home, but I got a feeling she'll only unveil her full potential when I can crank up the volume with band rehearsal ...........
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Not that saying your've got an Eb3 in your end isn't shady wordplay....i thought only Mark where open to that kind of games....
How is it? (i meen the bass)
My influence is worldwide :gay: ;D
You guys are the best :thumbsup:
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Well Jesper my basses are female ;D and she's doing fine so far. Truss rod and bridge did need a little adjusting after I'd fitted her with round wounds. She sounds very much OK on the Orange Crush here at home, but I got a feeling she'll only unveil her full potential when I can crank up the volume with band rehearsal ...........
Ouch, you meen you didn't know it's un(O) bassO, and that makes it a male, while unA chitarrA is female....i'm afraid something got lost in trans...lations ;D
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:gay: I love it! ;D
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Ouch, you meen you didn't know it's un(O) bassO, and that makes it a male, while unA chitarrA is female....i'm afraid something got lost in trans...lations ;D
Music speaks a more universal language so you can stuff your rules wherever you like Jesper........ ;D
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Please, no talk of stuffin'. :o It's Christmas. ;)
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Ouch, you meen you didn't know it's un(O) bassO, and that makes it a male, while unA chitarrA is female....i'm afraid something got lost in trans...lations ;D
In Bass Culture JAE refers to his '64 Thunderbird's BROTHER that had it's neck broken by Keith Moon. Good enough for me.
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To each his own and to me my basses are female and that's that ! :P What's more: I've named each and every one of them ......... :mrgreen:
(http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-CI6BTILU-D.jpg)
(http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-UCOU37XK-D.jpg)
(http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-ISYGM37B-D.jpg)
(http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-HSIXZFDY-D.jpg)
(http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-QGZ7K4RX-D.jpg)
(http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-BFYX6Q4P-D.jpg)
(http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-4DTP3GV8-D.jpg)
(http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-U3FSOMKI-D.jpg)
(http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-8PL8UT3D-D.jpg)
Installed a mod-bar with the rounds and exchanged the "Gibson" Bell TRC for a neutral one ............
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To each his own and to me my basses are female and that's that ! :P What's more: I've named each and every one of them ......... :mrgreen:
Yes, yes, off course....i'm sure Mark agree with you.... ;D
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Yes, yes, off course....i'm sure Mark agree with you.... ;D
"Girls will be boys and boys will be girls, it's a mixed up".......... ;)
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Do you have to use a transsexual lesbian bass to get a ballsy sound or will a bull dyke bass do the job?...or are pickups masculine and the correct ones (a pair I assume) are all you need? I'm confused.
The term 'scream like a little girl' comes to mind for some reason. ;)
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The term 'scream like a little girl' comes to mind for some reason. ;)
When I'm having a really good time ;)
My basses are bisexual tho.......
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Please, no talk of stuffin'. :o It's Christmas. ;)
"No cries is heard in the night
As a result of him stuffin"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPsnLUaXyxE
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To each his own and to me my basses are female and that's that ! :P What's more: I've named each and every one of them ......... :mrgreen:
Do tell? What are there names? I've only named one: my Danelectro is named Ruby.
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All my basses have female names. In the last ten years I bought and sold some things, so I had over 40 basses in my house. Means I had to come up with lots of names...
Most of the time I use names of female friends and sometimes famous people. For example: My Gretsch is called Meryem and named after a gorgeous and crazy Turkish ballet dancer from Rotterdam (the city Uwe bombed).
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Do tell? What are there names? I've only named one: my Danelectro is named Ruby.
Cool, my SG Bass' called Ruby also ........ Presently the other ladies in my harem are called Nellie ( P ), Marie ( Robin Ranger ), Lucy ( Tele II ), MaryAnne ( Rivoli ), Elenore ( Vista Musicmaster ), Candy ( Red Starfire ), Betty ( Ibanez CS ), Sheila ( Black Starfire ) & Donna ( the object of this thread ) .......
Of course all names are related to ( one or more ) songs, e.g. Donna's named after Donna The Prima Donna which is on the b-side of the ol' Dion DiMucci Ruby Baby 45 I've got in my meager singles collection and since the SG & the EB-3 are related it was the obvious choice .......
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you really have some good weed in Holland....
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Of course all names are related to ( one or more ) songs, e.g. Donna's named after Donna The Prima Donna which is on the b-side of the ol' Dion DiMucci Ruby Baby 45 I've got in my meager singles collection and since the SG & the EB-3 are related it was the obvious choice .......
No Runaround Sue? ;)
Ruby Baby was a hit in 1962, He'll Only Hurt you was on the flip side. Donna The Prima Donna was the A side in 1963, I never could figure out why they put Ruby Baby (again) on the other side.
For Iome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mmHEGsjuno
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Droombolus, that Epi looks absolutely killer!
Congrats!
on the "other" subject, My '75 Precision (the one from the story) is the only bass I have that I refer to as "She" or "Her".
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you really have some good weed in Holland....
So they tell me ...... :-X
No Runaround Sue? ;)
I had a MIM 60-s classic J called Sue but she wandered off ........ ;)
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Sisters .....
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7449/rubydonna002.jpg)
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Cool! The Mud Sisters
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Finally had the opportunity to compare these two babies with band practice last Wednesday. Our drummer is awating a gall bladder operation and had been unable to attent for weeks……..
The Elite’s Sidewinder has clearly more output than the SG’s TB-Plus. It handles like a thoroughbread, only very precise playing will get you a constant sound level. It isn’t a Mud but it sounds like its first cousin, more high-mids and highs but not enough low-mids to make the choke a serious sound option. On the choke it sounds much too civilised to my taste, it may be an option when I find myself in an acoustic setting and she’s the only bass around.
Just like the TB-Plus PUP she produces an easy sweet spot combined with the mini HB and with the mini dialed back just a little she cuts through the band mix like a mo-fo. But in comparison the SG sounds like a wasp to the Elite’s bumble bee. The SG sound is a more modern variation on the Mud theme where the EB-3 is only once removed from the old familiar sound. Through the thicker body and thicker, broader neck it sounds much more meaty. She’s got a vibe of her own going and no doubt will prove a very nice addition to my collection.
Will this be enough Mein Führer or is ex-communication still looming ahead ?
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Cool! The Mud Sisters
Mud Cousins... ;)
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That is the most accurate and descriptive take on the respective strengths of the Elitist and the SG-RI that I have had the pleasure to devour. Love the wasp/bumblebee comparison - so apt! Excommunication proceedings herewith adjourned!
The Epi was a slow seller at the time, of course it was high-priced, but so is the Casady Sig and that sells consistently well. The SG-RI, otoh, has become a staple product with Gibson so I think the approach of "modernizing it even more" was commercially sound. People play an SG-shaped bass for the look, legacy and the short scale, not for the varitone or a real mudbucker sound.
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Droombolus' Elite EB-3 came into my possession a couple of months ago. Beautiful bass that really oozes quality. I've tried the EB-3 a couple of times in rehearsal, but somehow I can't get her to sound the way I want. The problem is that as a band we play in Eb and that is a bit of a challenge with the short scale. Too much mud. I'm afraid I'm too much of a Precision player...
I've put it up for sale on a Dutch bass forum, but if I could I would like to keep it. Anybody any advice on tweaking the sound?
I've tried turning down the bass and upping the mids and highs on my amp, but she's still lacking definition.
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Welcome We Tigers!
As you have noticed the Mudbucker isn't exactly the kind of pickup you want when you're after definition in your sound.
I'd say try to lower the Mudbucker is deep as it it'll sink into the body and use both pickups. The bridge pickiup should provide you with a lot more definition and bite.
Also higly recommended to improve the tone of your bass is to use heavier gauge strings. The somewhat floppy E string tuned down half a step will benefit enormously. I've been using GHS 50-115 for years and have been a happy camper ever since.
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Welcome aboard. There are a couple of other things you can try. First, LOWER the bass end. Anything under 100 hz can be suppressed a bit. If you have the controls to do so, BOOST the low mids between about 125-250 hz. Room ambience will pick up that low end. If you need more bottom at that point, turn the volume up a little, not the bass.
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Welcome We Tigers!
As you have noticed the Mudbucker isn't exactly the kind of pickup you want when you're after definition in your sound.
I'd say try to lower the Mudbucker is deep as it it'll sink into the body and use both pickups. The bridge pickiup should provide you with a lot more definition and bite.
Also higly recommended to improve the tone of your bass is to use heavier gauge strings. The somewhat floppy E string tuned down half a step will benefit enormously. I've been using GHS 50-115 for years and have been a happy camper ever since.
Welcome, I agree with all the above. I've always used 45-105s on my short scale basses for standard tuning. Bridge pickup is key to getting a good sound.
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Thanks for the advice guys!
I'll alter the pick-up heights and try and tweak the amp as you suggested. We have another rehearsal tonight so that's an excellent opportunity. And I'll look into different strings.
I'm a big fan of flat wound strings on my Precisions, but I'll stick to rounds for the EB.
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Don't lower the bridge pickup. You're gonna need that to bring in the definition.
Oh and try playing with your right hand more towards the bridge. That helps tremendously, without changing anything to your bass or amp.
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My experience with mudbuckers is that they are incredibly tight in a small, closed space. You can feel your chest vibrate, but get into an open room and it all disappears.
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Despite the advice and me trying it out, the Elite EB-3 and me are not gonna work it out together. Last week I even bought a new Precision (Classic 50's Fiesta Red) and instantly got the tone I had in my head. That means there's a hole in the budget and the Elite is going up for sale.
Beautifull bass, but not my cup of tea I'm afraid.
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we tigers,
yeah i know about sending to and from the Netherlands. i forgot i have enough NOS, used or replacement parts and i make the varitone plates, to make a 60's or 70's period correct EB, and that is the reason i think i will pass on the Elitist, thank you for your offer. you should not have any problem selling it.
Bill