:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Seriously, this is awesome
http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/deconstructing_gimme_shelter_listen/
@#$%^&*!! I cant see/hear any of these until I get home from work. I'm a big fan of Wyman and am one of the believers who think he is greatly underated.
Wow, that's great!!!
Works perfectly with the track! Charlie Watts is one swinging drummer too.
Wasn't aware this was played on a fretless, is it documented somewhere? Nothing in 'Stone Alone ' that mentions it IIRC. Great song and track.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/167sa42.jpg)
He used that "home made" fretless bass on a lot of the early Stone's records. Not sure what it was before he cut down the body and removed the frets.
I don't think this is sloppy and it doesn't sound like his fretless playing.
IIRC he has said that the homemade fretless he used on some of his earlier work was a no-name Japanese bass. The frets rattled so he pulled them.
Quote from: nofi on December 01, 2010, 05:59:09 AM
i don't think that was particularly bad.
My thread title was tongue in cheek. I think it's great playing actually
Quote from: Dave W on December 01, 2010, 09:22:16 AM
IIRC he has said that the homemade fretless he used on some of his earlier work was a no-name Japanese bass. The frets rattled so he pulled them.
In one of his books that I have ("Rolling With The Stones") he says that he continued to use the defretted bass on studio recordings for many years even after he switched to the Framus/Mustang/Dan Armstrong/EB-3/Steinberger live.
Wyman is an amazingly accesible correspondant. A few years ago I emailed him after reading Stone Alone for no other reason than to let him know that I enjoyed the book and and that I was wondering when he would follow it up with the next book continuing on from Brians death.
He is known to be quite pedantic about replying to all letters sent to him and sure enough he not only replied but got into a two way conversation with me over 3 emails about ghost writers and their merits and failings actually mentioning names which was pretty interesting. He asked questions about me and my life and eventually promised that his son Stephen who runs his office would make sure that I was made aware when the new book became available.
I was notified and was very happily surprised to find that when my copy arrived (I did order and pay like anyone else) it was signed by Bill which I did not ask for.
Something to add to the family heirlooms... ;)
Quote from: Aussie Mark on December 01, 2010, 02:51:08 PM
In one of his books that I have ("Rolling With The Stones") he says that he continued to use the defretted bass on studio recordings for many years even after he switched to the Framus/Mustang/Dan Armstrong/EB-3/Steinberger live.
So this track could have been done on it, and maybe it was. It still sounds more like his fretted playing to me.
As always, I could be wrong.
I've always liked Bill Wyman's playing very much. I've never understood why he doesn't get more credit.
No one whose first name isn't Mick (J.) or Keith ever gets any credit with the Stones. Brian, the other Mick (T.), Ron and Bill learned the hard way. Charlie is the one possible exception, but then he gets to punch Mick J.!
Im beginning to think more and more that short scales sound a bit meaner than 34" basses.....
whats the deal with the high end ring/overtones in many of these 60s isolated bass recordings?.
It's rhytmically sloppy and some bad fretting - sounds like a first run through take and then Jagger or Keith yelled, "thanks, we'll keep it that way, Bill". Wyman is usually more accurate. And that is definitely a fretted bass (with some bum bending) you hear.
Uwe
Quote from: Dave W on December 01, 2010, 10:26:43 PM
... It still sounds more like his fretted playing to me.
As always, I could be wrong.
Quote from: uwe on December 02, 2010, 11:06:12 AM
And that is definitely a fretted bass (with some bum bending) you hear.
Not sure - I gave it a few listens - at first I thought fretted too - there sounds like some minor slides when he does one of those triplet runs up which made me wonder if it was on a fretless...
If he is as amenable to people as Bret found maybe someone could just ask him...?
I think the odds are pretty good that the track was cut with the Mustang pictured in the background of the video. The bass sounds very much like a short-scale fretted bass to me.
Damn. I'm getting "no longer available" cuz of copyright infringement. Alas
Try again someone linked to a different site.
If that is fretless, then ole Bill is better than I thought.
Actually, I have doubts whether this is Wyman at all on the track. He usually sounds a lot more concentrated and intentional when he plays something. This sounds like a doped down Richards to me. Somehow, I'd expect Wyman to know already what he is going to do before he sets about doing so. Nor would I expect him to leave such a messy track for the final version. It's just not him.
Uwe
Quote from: uwe on December 06, 2010, 07:35:13 AM
If that is fretless, then ole Bill is better than I thought.
Actually, I have doubts whether this is Wyman at all on the track. He usually sounds a lot more concentrated and intentional when he plays something. This sounds like a doped down Richards to me. Somehow, I'd expect Wyman to know already what he is going to do before he sets about doing so. Nor would I expect him to leave such a messy track for the final version. It's just not him.
Uwe
It's definitely Wyman. All Stones tracks are well documented.
In that case Wyman is worse than I thought! :mrgreen: Nothing against a few quirks and inaccuracies here and there, but you should know what you are doing as Roger does here with his Ric.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDBW2uGVDpI
now you're talkin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeisCvjwBMo
Ahm in the groove, baby...