I'll try and get another photo that's better - my wife took these with no flash so most are much fuzzier than this. At any rate, here I am playing the '64 EB-0 at a benefit gig last Saturday, 10-16-10. And yes, the light was also fluorescent, so the colors are a bit off...
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/gibsonbass10-16-10.jpg)
Nice... ;)
No, make that very nice... 8)
I hate to say it Al... but the shirt... that... colour... :o A trick of the light, yes... it's just a great shade of blue being scrambled by a neon cast... tell me it's so, Al... tell me it's so... ;)
Quote from: Kenny's 51st State on October 18, 2010, 04:07:35 PM
Nice... ;)
No, make that very nice... 8)
I hate to say it Al... but the shirt... that... colour... :o A trick of the light, yes... it's just a great shade of blue being scrambled by a neon cast... tell me it's so, Al... tell me it's so... ;)
Have you been hanging out with the squirrels again??
That's the combo that jumped out of the closet at me. Ever have one of those days where you stand in front of the closet waiting for that to happen?? Kinda like standing in front the fridge holding the door open wanting for dinner inspiration to strike......
Was anyone in the first five rows still standing after you unleashed the mudbucker on them?
Quote from: Dave W on October 18, 2010, 07:04:19 PM
Was anyone in the first five rows still standing after you unleashed the mudbucker on them?
Kind of you to ask!
Actually, I used it for a down-tempo number which required a lot of sustain and a very full sound to support the low end. The wooly sound of that 'bucker was perfect. We originally had Jack the Ripper in the set right after that, and that bass really rocks on it - but we ended up changing the set and I went back to the Bronco.
How does the Model One sound in that location?
Quote from: lowend1 on October 18, 2010, 08:45:06 PM
How does the Model One sound in that location?
It's a bit hard to compare against an early 60's mudbucker, which is an extreme sound.
It has about 80% as much output, and a somewhat brighter, less wooly sound. Compared to a standard humbucking pickup it would still be a darker, slightly more wooly sound. If I turn the mudbucker up full and the Dimarzio up about 80% they don't interfere with each other and it brightens the mudbucker's sound JUST a bit...not much.
Others here might opine whether the difference in output is partly due to the difference in placement between the two pickups.
Quote from: Pilgrim on October 18, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
Others here might opine whether the difference in output is partly due to the difference in placement between the two pickups.
I doubt that makes much difference, for two reasons: first, the Model One isn't that near the bridge, the string excursion isn't that limited. Second, I remember when DiMarzio used to publish catalogs with pickup output shown in millivolts. The Model One had medium output for a bass humbucker. It's certainly got plenty of power, it's just not in the same boat as a mudbucker.
Yep. The reason your output lowered before was that you had the mudbucker reversed in polarity and it was phase cancelling against the the Model One. The spacing comments assumed that both pickups were wired properly.
What amp did you play through Al?
Quote from: Freuds_Cat on October 19, 2010, 12:59:42 AM
What amp did you play through Al?
It's a mudbucker - there's no "amp" in the traditional sense. You just plug directly into the speaker cabinet. ;D
"You just plug directly into the speaker cabinet."
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Truer words have never been spoken.
Cool pic, nice bass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Freuds_Cat on October 19, 2010, 12:59:42 AM
What amp did you play through Al?
Genz-Benz Shuttle 6.0 and a pair of 12T speakers. Even in a riding barn 50 feet x 200 feet, I needed only 1/3 of the master volume to balance with the band. The Shuttle 6.0 outputs 375W into one 12" 8-ohm speaker, 600W into a pair of them. I still can't imagine how G-B does that from an amp that's 3.75 pounds. I just assume it's big ju-ju and don't worry about it. ;)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/PC250031.jpg)
Quote from: Pilgrim on October 18, 2010, 06:56:12 PM
Have you been hanging out with the squirrels again??
Every day, p(Al), every day... ;D
It wasn't the style of the shirt., or even any of what you were wearing from that point of view... it's just that it does look rather P*RPL*... :o
Oxford English Dictionary definition of the term "Mudbucker" - "Earth moving device..." ;D
Quote from: Kenny's 51st State on October 19, 2010, 03:18:13 PM
It wasn't the style of the shirt., or even any of what you were wearing from that point of view... it's just that it does look rather P*RPL*... :o
AAARRRRRRRGGGGHHH! No, it's the lighting. The shirt and accents are actually light blue, and the main part of the shirt is black. The lighting, I tells ya!! It's the lighting!!
Quote from: Pilgrim on October 19, 2010, 08:02:46 PM
AAARRRRRRRGGGGHHH! No, it's the lighting. The shirt and accents are actually light blue, and the main part of the shirt is black. The lighting, I tells ya!! It's the lighting!!
:mrgreen:
Seriously, it doesn't look purple at all to me.
Whew.....!!!!! :toast:
Quote from: Kenny's 51st State on October 19, 2010, 03:18:13 PM
Oxford English Dictionary definition of the term "Mudbucker" - "Earth moving device..." ;D
...and purveyor of the brown note.
Quote from: lowend1 on October 19, 2010, 07:37:41 AM
It's a mudbucker - there's no "amp" in the traditional sense. You just plug directly into the speaker cabinet. ;D
Mudbucker = Chuck Norris? :mrgreen:
Chuck Norris just plugs the cable into his bellybutton and opens his mouth!
[still looks (a colour - word deleted to avoid offence to any individual/s present) if you are asking me... :vader:]
Anyone care to offer up the ultimate exponent of the mudbucker, or even a tune or two...?
Uncle Felix has got to be up there - one of my faves of theirs...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vLSw4Rr6gM
Ken, adjust your monitor's color settings. :P
Not the ultimate mudbucker song, but fun to watch and I haven't posted it for a long time so here goes. Bassist is Carson Van Osten
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrwCjBZKciw
I checked the other photos and under the light at that gig, the shirts all look Navy blue (not black) with light blue highlights.
Rest assured that I don't own any garment in a color which is spelled with the letters "...urple".
Mr Rundgren's band - just can't mistake that voice and guitar... I have them on vinyl, and a variety of other versions of this song - never seen this before though... 8) Wasn't Rick Neilsen in the Nazz for a while...?
Al... phew... that's set the world to rights then...
that video is very Monkeyish. great song. my fav by them is 'under the ice'.
I like the shirt. It's very much something I would wear. Blue and black.
Be careful, look at your risk: mudbuckers unleashed (and my favourite shirt from New Delhi!):
(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy5/tore00/mudbucker/Image2.jpg)
(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy5/tore00/mudbucker/SANY0045-Copy.jpg)
I love that Nazz video. Hadn't seen it before. Thanks Dave!
Quote from: Kenny's 51st State on October 20, 2010, 01:05:29 PM
Anyone care to offer up the ultimate exponent of the mudbucker, or even a tune or two...?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfuANF7KrqY
i keep confusing them with Slave, the r&b band.
That hits the spot, Stu... ;D
Sounds like tasty mud to me!
Better photos of the resurrected 1964 EB-0:
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/Gibson%20EB-0%201964/PB070017.jpg)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/Gibson%20EB-0%201964/PB070018.jpg)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/Gibson%20EB-0%201964/PB070020.jpg)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/Gibson%20EB-0%201964/PB070019.jpg)
And the repaired headstock, rear view:
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/apowell1/Electric%20Basses/Gibson%20EB-0%201964/PB070021.jpg)
Great job!
very nice.
That looks great.
as we say in n.z. - sweet as!
Is it me - or do you just now get grain as gorgeous as that any more? Or has the skill of the finisher lessened over the years??? I remember reading that a Gibson cherry finish was something like 12 coats of cherry & 15 of clear?????
Quote from: Big_Stu on November 08, 2010, 03:15:55 PM
Is it me - or do you just now get grain as gorgeous as that any more? Or has the skill of the finisher lessened over the years??? I remember reading that a Gibson cherry finish was something like 12 coats of cherry & 15 of clear?????
But that would go against the sage wisdom of all doze guyz who swear that the less finish on a bass, the better. All that finish dampens the "tone", don'cha know.
Harrumph, harrumph.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN99jshaQbY
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Finish does not influence sound.
Quote from: uwe on November 09, 2010, 05:10:43 AM
Finish does not influence sound.
I'm with you! I don't agree with all the mooks who intone about "thin nitro finishes" being the best for "tone", and opining that layers of paint somehow compromise the "tone".
"The opiner doth obesss too much, methinks." (Or that's how the Queen in Hamlet would put it if she were a bass player.)
finish absolutely affects tone on an acoustic instrument. on a solid electric probably not so much at all.
Quote from: nofi on November 09, 2010, 10:09:34 AM
finish absolutely affects tone on an acoustic instrument. on a solid electric probably not so much at all.
Fair enough.
What is the law (snap-crack ...)?!!! What is the law?!!!!
Finish does not influence sound!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gL3P377BQA
Better burn that fungus then... (heading for the shelter...)
I can't tell if you guys are being sarcastic or not, but I have to weigh on the side of finish having an audible effect with electric basses, though nowhere near as profound as some believe. They're still stringed instruments and the properties of the body are going to affect the way the strings vibrate, changing the sound. Body resonance also goes a long way into changing the way an instrument feels and responds, which changes the way a player plays on it. I love the beauty and durability of polyester finishes, but I love the sound and feel of laquer more. Still, most of my instruments have polyester finish.
..although every time something of this nature comes up, I'm reminded of an old exchange on TB where an "expert" kept insisting that it was impossible for a set or bolt-neck instrument to output a pure fundamental tone and only neck-through designs could do so. When I pointed out that the pickups measure the movement of the strings regardless of what they span across and it was their tuning, not physical vibrational coupling of the body to a magnetic pickup mounted in a wooden body, he got really huffy.
Uwe wasn't being sarcastic, he was being an instigator (shocking, I know ;D ). He misses the heated discussions from the early Pit days.
Acoustic instruments produce sound though a vibrating top. The thickness of the finish film definitely affects the vibration. Maybe the type of film does too. And it has been shown that oil finishes (real oil finishes, not varnishes marketed as oil finishes) damp vibrations.
Solid body instruments produce sound through the electronics. Every little thing affects sound in some way, but the question is, is there an audible difference from different finish types or thicknesses? When I see the results of double-blind ABX tests showing that people can tell a difference, then I'll believe it. Until then, I won't.
Quote from: uwe on November 09, 2010, 05:10:43 AM
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Finish does not influence sound.
Mmmmmm...............Doubleplusgood! ;D
It's a running gag in this forum that you are not allowed to believe that finish influences solidbody sound. I don't know whether I can hear an amped difference between poly and nitro if all other things are identical, but I believe I can hear a difference between a finished and an unfinished/oiled body. Maybe something to do with the responsiveness of the wood reacting to the vibration of the string and that creeping into the sound. If you knock with your finger against nitro and a thick poly on a piece of wood, you certainly hear a difference or I believe I do, the latter sounds "deader"/more dense.
But believing is not knowing much less being able to prove it! If Dave is a "finish infuences sound"-atheist, then I'm more on the agnostic side, but I'm sure we have some reborn Christians on the issue in our midst as well! :mrgreen:
Uwe
Not saying that there's absolutely no effect, I'm just highly skeptical that anyone can hear the difference, that's all.
The black V demands to be played loud... the goats have moved out of the road... if I do a Hendrix flower-fin will she play the blues...?
The Thunderbird has mellowed since being detoxed... def-FIN-itive proof of a change in sound...?
The new fin on the RD is going to be a supachiller, if it all goes well... gonna produce some cool sounds...
Nurse...? I'll have my meds now please... ;D
Sometimes, in the midst of the night, I swear I can hear the tonewoods breathing, free from the slavery of their dreaded poly finishes...
Typically speaking, black finished instruments tend to sound darker than those with natural finishes, which tend to sound more organic and woody. The old Dan Armstrong guitars and basses had a very transparent sound. Sunburst instruments sound very bright at first, but as the note decays, the tone becomes much darker. Hope this helps...
I'm really with Dave - I wouldn't say that finish has absolutely Zero effect on sound output, I just think there are so many other factors which have much more impact on sound that it's essentially moot.
I suspect that acoustic instruments would be slightly different in this respect than solid bodies, but absent an A/B test of two identical acoustic instruments of the same model, built the same day, with strings of the same type and age, I wouldn't bet on being able to hear it.
Am I sure? To those who would assert differently, I respond as H.L. Mencken did (also attributed to Mark Twain, and oft-used by Edward R. Murrow) when receiving a critical letter:
"Dear Sir or Madam, You may be right.
Sincerely...."
Quote from: lowend1 on November 11, 2010, 05:06:59 AM
The old Dan Armstrong guitars and basses had a very transparent sound.
Suddenly, it all becomes clear...
Quote from: Kenny's 51st State on November 11, 2010, 01:02:38 PM
Suddenly, it all becomes clear...
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